Singer 457G135 3-step Zig Zag Rotary Take-up, An Overview with Threading

I have always found this style of machine intriguing so I got one and here is what i learned.
Most importantly I figured how to thread it and adjust the various aspects of the threading path for good performance. This unit has some interesting and unique features. Follow along as I touch on the high points.
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[@Contantq]

Today I just saved one of these and 4 others from becoming scrapped at the salvage yard. Great video on how they work.

[@roullal6593]

Do you know which needles they use ?

[@AlexanderDyer]

I put fresh links to manuals in the description. The needle is a 135 X 53

[@roullal6593]

@@AlexanderDyer thank you!

[@theprojectproject01]

Brilliant, elegant engineering. The parts count for this machine is MUCH lower than a typical take-up arm.

[@drmichaelelinski6992]

It looks like an old jet engine. It’s an incredible antique. I love the way you figure it out as you go on camera. You’re too smart....

[@ronalddaub9740]

Good, that's exactly the way I work figure it out as I go..

[@AntonioCarlos-jt1yv]

thankyou a lot, I bought today a used machine with this reference, and for get how to change the upper trhead, YOU SAVE ME thankyou thankyou thankyou. (sorry about my poor English) I'm Brazillian.

[@louisehubert1464]

Bravo! You are such a good teacher!

[@FloridaSalon]

Wow.. I want this. It's a work of art.

[@valeriepurificacion5376]

I have this kind of machine and this video really helped me a lot at threading it

[@AlexanderDyer]

🔥

[@sewingmachinesindetail]

Thank you for sharing this well made video about this inovative sewing machine. Of cause the rotary take-up lever is special. But I think the way you thread the machine going counter clockwise around thread guides is interesting. It is not that often you see that, but it should make kinks on thread less likely. Furthermore this special roller tensioner with ekstra grib is special. I have not seen a close up picture of this before, and I hope, that I am allowed by you to take a screenshot of it, that I can use. Roller tensioners do also reduce thread twisting and therefore reduce the chance of kinks.

[@user-ld4xl1up8z]

Dude. This is amazing.

[@BlueJeansGreenTee]

I love these. Is Flash Gordon and Singer made a sewing Machine! I really appreciate your explanations. You are The Mannn!!

[@Dr.Ekklesia]

Enjoyed your video and I hope that you will enjoy using your rotary Singer 457G135. - I love all of the machines with a rotary uptake and have used an old and rather rare rotary machine made by Juki for years. - I also use a smaller straight stitch Singer 451K145 that is also rotary. - Once again, enjoy your machine and the more you use it, you will become "hooked" on this type of machine.

[@AlexanderDyer]

I think the person who invented this must be a genius. Thanks chaplainkeith.

[@jesshothersall]

Do you know anything about the 145k125 by any chance, any info appreciated?

[@gloriaceleste19]

Gracias, tu video ha sido de gran utilidad

[@5guitars64]

Hello, I have a 457u105, basically the same machine, and I'm having difficulty checking the timing of the machine. Could lower the needle bar to it's lowest position and share where the hook is in relation to the needle? There is also a zero mark on the black rotary marks; when the rotary mark is lined up with the 0 wth the line through it, the hook should be on center to the needle. Unfortunately, mine is not that way. So, I'm not sure where to begin with checking the needle bar height, which affects the timing of the hook. The Singer service manual is not written clearly, at least without understanding the writers lingo.

[@boobalew]

The still picture caught my eye! It does look like an Art Deco Steam Locomotive! I think I want one!!!

[@AlexanderDyer]

💪

[@ronald5629]

The threading on top reminds me of my phaff And the knobs that adjust the stitch length and reverse stitch legs remind me of my domestic Kenmore pretty cool machine man that's cool I love that take up system

[@clivecomber7624]

Great video, would you know what the difference is between your g135 machine and the u135 machine. Could you advise please. Many thanks. Clive

[@rampal_adda]

Very good and nice sir, thank u very much to learn us how to threading in embroidery machine. 🙏 👏 🙏

[@AlexanderDyer]

💥🌟⚡

[@waldocalrissian4865]

Ty for all ya vids they have helped me so much

[@AlexanderDyer]

Yw

[@leecopp8012]

Hey Mr D, thanks for another fun video. I too had wondered about the rotary take-up having seen pics of the Wilcox and Gibbs around the net. The Molly Gene music is a fun discovery .. I just added you to my patreon crew .. keep up the good work.

[@AlexanderDyer]

Yeah, Molly Gene is great! I'm glad you liked the video. Thanks so much for all your continued support and congratulations on becoming an Alexander Dyer Patron.

[@JENNISWISS]

very intresting sewingmachine😊 thanke you for share😌

[@AlexanderDyer]

Good to hear from you Jenni.Swiss. :)

[@rickbloom1869]

Too cool! Never heard of a rotary take up before. I guess it runs smoother at speed that way? Anyway, interesting machine. I'm just getting started in sewing myself but I've been fascinated with sewing machines since I was a tyke riding on the back side of grandma Noble's old treadle singer. She made a lot of quilts on that thing.

[@AlexanderDyer]

Yes they are pretty fast. Thanks for the comment.

[@jorgeramirez2969]

@@AlexanderDyer como canviar cangrejo máquina 457

[@4486xxdawson]

People think im wierd because i love vintage sewing machines , look at the design of that machine i love it , see im into how they look as well as function but the design of all the parts and pieces just inspires me . I own a 4 vintage machines fro 50s 60s era and 2 i found on the side of the road and brought them and a good cleaning and low and behold they work , nothing special, 237 fashion mate , a 404 singer but in complete state and still work after 40 years of cigarette smoke , cant beat that with todays junk .....

[@AlexanderDyer]

Yes, weird, I get that too but I am with you 100%. We are not weird, this stuff in cool😃👍

[@atlanticleatherworks6005]

Amazing

[@ahall1459]

Great video...thanks

[@deloisestallworth2611]

Love the video, I own 3 of those. Just need to find where to order parts.

[@jerryovares2518]

Cool machine...!!! Do you’ve been try sew tick material with this machine but how do you change from normal zigzag to 4 point zigzag...!!!?

[@AlexanderDyer]

I'm not sure, that machine is long gone but I think it only did 3 step. Yours might be different.

[@benjamincontreras6950]

El disco de movimientos de esta máquina es el mejor creo que nunca se acaba

[@joaquingomez8476]

Hooo man, this is a really nice video. Thanks a lot.

[@AlexanderDyer]

Glad you liked it!

[@Gallaboy]

Thank you, nice video! Do you know what type of needle use? Is it 135x17 or 29x3 or another?

[@jorgevasquez3067]

135x80,90,100. 1906x 80... 134x 80...

[@albertdewulf7688]

Same bobbin case as the 151K1, and same as the juki buttonholer machine they have at my worplace. Funny how identical parts show up here and there

[@valeriizozulia2244]

- Dear friend - I have a Singer 457G155 Seving (made in Germany) in a new condition - the disc cams have collapsed. Tell me - can I buy in the USA. With thanks. Valery Kiev

[@philiparcamone7089]

Great video and cool machine. Question can you put a twin needle on this machine or will thread bind in the take up wheel

[@AlexanderDyer]

I don't know the answer to that.

[@samj1185]

no, you cannot put a twin needle on this machine. only one bobbin/hook

[@guywillson1549]

Brilliant. I have this machine and I live in Papua New Guinea. I have it in storage because we have not been able to see it up. Whenever we got it going the thread got tied up under the bobbin plate, and it runs really fast. Any help would be appreciated.

[@guywillson1549]

I had forgotten my previous comment!

[@jesshothersall]

There's one very like this (451k125) up the road from me for sale really cheap, though I'm not sure what they're meant to be used for, as have discovered the industrials are often very specific in what they do well? It does look like a train, or even a rotary engine plane, minus wings :). A very interesting machine, and love the music you chose

[@AlexanderDyer]

The rotary take up machines were an advancement in the speed of the machines at the time and some machines are still made this way. I had fun with this one.

[@jesshothersall]

Do you know what their age range is?

[@AlexanderDyer]

No but here is a site that I go to for a ton of Singer info. ismacs.net/singer_sewing_machine_company/model-list/index.html

[@robertoleal2254]

Muito obrigado sou brasileiro 🇧🇷

[@tanyahowell5522]

Can you explain how to set this machine to do the 3 step zigzag? I just aquired one of these, and it is set on just a standard zigzag. Thank you.

[@AlexanderDyer]

Not all of these will do a 3 step zig zag. I suspect your doesn't since it's not. You probable just have the 1 step version, there is also a 2 step zig zag.

[@mariavillalobos8474]

Buenas noches,disculpe una pregunta?porque la toma giratoria enhebra mucho y me revienta el hilo ?

[@angelasanteliz7930]

Muy bueno su video amigo estoy luchando con una ugual pero salta la puntada me puede guiar en ese aguste por favor

[@VAMIRACING]

exceptional video quality. can you tell when you are using the voigtlander and when the panasonic?

[@AlexanderDyer]

I'm not that good. I can tell you that when I want to get close I will use the Voightlander but only on a tripod because of the manual focus. It is great for more moody lighting since it can open up so big. I usually use the Panasonic since it is a great lens with stabilization, zoom and auto focus .

[@VAMIRACING]

no seriously, i think the video quality looks really nice. it actually inspired me to improve mine and i got me a G85 a couple of days ago....and now looking into lenses, light and all is involved.....thanks a lot for sharing and keep going, nice way to show these old machines.

[@AlexanderDyer]

Thanks a million, that is great to hear. That is a good rig, be sure to get an external mic, it doesn't have to be expensive and it will make a big difference.

[@mwingethdz]

Man, you sure have some style. Very easy to watch. Interesting, too. I watch your sewing machine videos a lot. Had to comment. Nice work.

[@benjamincontreras6950]

Son las mejores máquinas de este tipo yo las puedo reconstruir con mis propias manos es mi pasatiempos favorito

[@AlexanderDyer]

🙂

[@jesusesdios7608]

Usted sabrá donde se compran piezas en Mexico de esta maquina?

[@alfredomartinezra]

@@jesusesdios7608 es muy fácil, se venden en casa díaz o yo tengo piezas.

[@cancelik]

hook is rotary or oscilliating? I have pfaff 418-716/06, with rotary hook and I hate it. I bought it for sail repairs, but it sucks when sewing adhesive tape.

[@AlexanderDyer]

It is a rotary hook. I have not used adhesive tape but I have sewn with stick on Velcro and that stuff made a mess with glue getting on the needle and gumming up the works. I have heard of sail makers using this machine but it is just a drop feed after all and so feeding big sails could be difficult. This may be better suited for ultralight and kite builders.

[@badboyburnett]

You may wanna try a company called "Schmetz", they make a teflon plated needle specially for sewing adhesives...

[@cancelik]

Can you try to sew light fabric with duct tape on? I have already bought this machine, she can sew light fabrics with ultra speed but it sucks when sewing with duct tape. I have a Pfaff 418 and no problem with adhesive tape. But this machine's rotary hook is very confusing, I can't understand what the problem is. Hook is catching the loop twice when the loop leaves the fabric.

[@AlexanderDyer]

I can't try because I don't have this machine any longer. Not all tape is the same and if the adhesive is gumming up the thread, that could definitely cause some headache. I have never sewn with duct tape but I did sew on some adhesive Hook and Loop that caused problems due to the adhesive getting on the thread and the needle. I tend to use clips or just carefully hold my work as I go. Here are a couple of videos that show what I mean. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKTPh2efYsijnqc kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWnCmoN9ndWrd68

[@cancelik]

thanks for the info. I think the machines with this type of hook (reverse hook like juki lz-2280 series) is not suitable for stitching adhesived materials. They are good for seaming undergarment elastics at ultra speed (4000-5000 spm).

[@liannezijlmans8211]

Hello sir, I bought a singer 457 u405-01 do you know which needles I need. 1906 is write on the machine, but I can't find something about it. Kind regards Lianne

[@AlexanderDyer]

Try 135 X 53

[@benjamincontreras6950]

Donde puedo encontrar las refacciones para esta maquina de cocer necesito el mecanismo del zig-zag interior

[@AlexanderDyer]

😬

[@angelasanteliz7930]

Buenas tardes amigo como se le toma el tiempo a esta maquina y cual es la altura de barra😅

[@carlanderson4139]

Cool music. Interesting design. Are there 2 or 3 stitches for each leg of the zig zag? Were these used for parachute making? Light fabric only?

[@AlexanderDyer]

It is a 3 step. I am not sure of the various uses but I think your inclination is correct, possibly sails as well but I could be wrong. Thank you.

[@jaimett5526]

Hello, good afternoon I have the singer 457 u105, my question is where (which part) the machine is adjusted to make the zig zag stitch 3 steps, thanks ...

[@AlexanderDyer]

They ain't all 3 step zig zags.

[@jaimett5526]

In circular plate, it has two marks (simple zig zag, 3 stitches zig zag), how can I adjust it to work with 3 step zig zag

[@roullal6593]

How do you change it from straight stitch to zigzag , I can't see it in the manual 🙃

[@AlexanderDyer]

Widen the stitch.

[@guywillson1549]

I have one of these excellent machines but the only time I saw it running was in 2013! I am a missionary in Papua New Guinea, needing to use it in sailmaking but I have not been able to thread the machine/set the timing of the foot/needle/bobbin etc., would anyone be able to help me. (I tried the manual but it did not work when I followed the timing instructions)

[@user-vn5bn2og1j]

رأئعة وجميلة وانيقة

[@JorgeCambronero-ji2hl]

Que número de ajuga usa la 457

[@aparecidabettiol623]

Qual o valor?

[@marllyurbano6458]

Como arreglar la centrica de una singer ziczadora plana

[@user-ur6qc6pu4v]

Quando a linha está enrolando no esticador

[@marbasa993]

buenas noches! me podria ayudar a poner mi maquina a tiempo, por favor!

[@alfredomartinezra]

Hola, te puedo ayudar, ¿De dónde eres?

[@sewingmachinesindetail]

The rotary take-up have got a bit worried, so I should like your opinion. A normal take-up lever have got a very well defined top position and timing of it. This will ensure a little variation of the position of the thread lock in the fabric so a balanced stitch can be ensured. What I am worried about is, that the top position is not that well defined on the rotary take-up, because the thread might be at more positions along the edge of this lever.

[@AlexanderDyer]

It is a tried and true method and is still being employed on new models to this day. It is very smooth and consistent.

[@sewingmachinesindetail]

@@AlexanderDyer Good to know. With this kind a take-up you generate much less vibration.

[@sebastienmartinez7683]

Bonjour, je possède également une singer 357g135 malheureusement je n'arrive pas à la faire fonctionner. J'ai du changer la came car elle avait explosé, je pense qu'il doit y avoir des réglages à faire suite à ce changement mais je ne trouve aucune information. Pouvez vous m'aider ? Merci et bonne année

[@AlexanderDyer]

I can't see how.

[@sebastienmartinez7683]

@@AlexanderDyer merci quand même

[@angelasanteliz7930]

La máquina que tiene usted en el vídeo tiene un botón en medio la mía tiene la palanca de lado trabada

[@JorgeCambronero-ji2hl]

Buenas noches pregunta que número de ajuga usa457

[@hansyruiz566]

Muy buenas gracias por la información es precisamente lo que yo necesita, le entiendo un poco gracias a las señas de las manos, lástima que no está en español.

[@AlexanderDyer]

Spanish caption added 😀

[@user-gg2os7jd7w]

awsome video, but a ADDENDUM of how a fat finger can both remove and reload the bobbin, without breaking the lock tab ruining the bobbin case would be a treat.........I own the Brother variant of this design which has the oil pan

[@AlexanderDyer]

The oil pans can be rather restrictive I know. If you have a kick stand on your machine table then tipping it back for bobbin changes shouldn't be too tough.

[@angelasanteliz7930]

Buen día amigo como está abrazo desde Venezuela la máquina mía es igual cómo le comenté solo es diferente en los selectores de zigzag es modelo 470u105

[@emilove1974]

Hello I have questions about of this machine please help me

[@AlexanderDyer]

OK

[@emilove1974]

@@AlexanderDyer I can use have to many questions, please contact with you for email my machine is a little different 457U105, my email is [e-mail] thanks

[@emilove1974]

I can not use this machine I am beginner thanks

[@atomicskull6405]

Ideal machine for making kites and sailboard sails.

[@AlexanderDyer]

Yes indeed!

[@prasantasaha2161]

Please share 457 Hook set vedeo

[@sandradominguez795]

se salio de tiempo mi máquina ayudaa como la ajusto??

[@alfredomartinezra]

Te puedo ayudar Sandra, ¿De dónde eres?

[@Lapeerphoto]

WOW - cool

[@bettyperez6448]

Hola bueno él vídeo pero no se ve por las letras qué aparecen cuando enhebra la bobina

[@liannezijlmans8211]

Thanks a lot. Kindvregards

[@AlexanderDyer]

Always welcome

[@angelasanteliz7930]

Buenos dias amigo saludos desde venezuela me puede ayudar a tomar el tiempo a esta bella y extraña maquina

[@AlexanderDyer]

I do not have this machine still, I have sold it. Here is a video that I timed a different machine. Maybe it can help you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn6znIindpieic0

[@AlexanderDyer]

Check the description for service manuals. I hope that might help you.

[@angelasanteliz7930]

Buen día amigo saludos desde Venezuela tengo una máquina igual modelo 457 y 105 y en la parte de selección de puntada está muy dura me puede ayudar con sus videos son muy buenos

[@AlexanderDyer]

Clean and oil your machine. That will fix most problems.

[@angelasanteliz7930]

Buenas noches amigo ya lo hice un nuevo favor amigo me podría guiar en tomarle el tiempo a esta máquina por favor😢

[@AlexanderDyer]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pn6znIindpieic0

[@dianamaya2755]

Maquina de coser 457 para comprar

[@ronald5629]

Looks like it has a bobbin and case like a 301a

[@mikekendall5932]

Willcox and Gibbs patented the rotary tension device in 1908 with world wide patents 1910. Singer jumped in after it had expired. Just like Davis NVF, New Vertical Feed was a superior machine in the 1800's by 1924 when they ceased Singer came out with the 78 series (an industrial version of the Davis). I've seen the Willcox and Gibbs on ebay very vintage but shied away from buying one. Possibly the zig zag combined with rotary take up was a German thing just like the 1913 German treadle had reverse. Singer usually late in the game on advancements.

[@AlexanderDyer]

Thank you, very interesting.

[@bobwestinicky8447]

Dig the intermission music.

[@funkiEst]

Looks like Ry Cooder :D

[@darknessfierce4209]

Looks like the juki 2280 series

[@hansyruiz566]

Muchas gracias por la traducción a español(•‿•)

[@AlexanderDyer]

You are welcome.

[@paulosilva-dm1qb]

Very well explained..Have You ever thought of being a teacher???lol

[@AlexanderDyer]

Thanks. I would not want to be a teacher, those people are saints. I do have some instructional experience in a previous life.😉

[@benjamincontreras6950]

Es la mejor de las de todas las 457 yo tengo una y todas sus partes son mejores que las de la última generación es más la marca singer es la mejor la única que la iguala es la pfaff 438

[@marbasa993]

es una singer 457 u105

[@paulobaladasilva4799]

Era no. Se fosse em português

[@AlexanderDyer]

I have added Portuguese via translation. I hope that helps. Thank you.