Single Plane, Natural Golf, Moe Norman - Grip Size Matters

[@王毅-p1u]

Dear Todd,you are a great instructor in golf.

[@raybowles8587]

I don't have big hands and went to a mid size grip and I love them. They don't move around in my hands and seem so much easier to hold. I guess it is a individual issue. I am loving the single plane swing. I stepped out this morning, took a 5 iron, no warm ups, and hit a solid straight hit. Never done that in my 40yrs of golf.

[@kourt2469]

Honestly this may be the best video on the grip I’ve ever seen. Well done!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thanks.

[@sandylake304]

Agree. So many interesting answers and insights.

[@patricklee780]

I went to the 10 finger grip after many years of the overlapping grip and the reason is because my hands became arthritic, especially the left hand. I found that my consistency got better.

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

I forced myself to interlock, and now I can do it with no issues. But after watching a few of Moe's videos, I JUST started chipping in my basement net with a 10 finger grip, and I'm blown away by how much better it feels, and hour much more control I feel like I have...

[@sandylake304]

Every video I watch you answer questions I’ve always wondered about. I see so many women grip the club in the palm of their left hand and it costs them so much speed and distance. Great lesson!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thanks

[@galerauschenberger9411]

Thanks for clarifying that for me. I never did like the palm grip, and haven't used it. I do use a slightly larger grip because I wrap my grips. Played 9 holes yesterday and shot 37. Not bad for an old bugger of 70.

[@Jus4kiks]

Nice round my man!

[@chrisbilling2229]

Wow! I can feel the difference. I have been playing Natural Golf for a long time and this video explains why i lost so much distance. Great Video!

[@theokenon433]

This video alone is worth a $1,000. I wish I had this knowledge in 1998 when I first started playing golf. I went to natural golf Because of Moe But I suffered strength loss unknowingly do to grip size and grip placement, But my accuracy especially with the driver was amazing. But being young and not liking the guys teasing me about my weird looking set up and loss of power I went Back to the conventional set up. Great video. So easy to understand and it makes a lot of sense. You don’t normally get this type of information for free. Thanks Todd.

[@natgolfpro1]

Great explanation of the pros and cons of the different grip sizes available and how proper grip fitting is critical. Thanks again Todd

[@Gumballa87]

Being an engineer by training I had always wondered why there was so much ambiguity in golf. It’s an optimization problem quite simply put and there is only one optimal way for any given outcome! Never understood why setup and impact would need to be so different and all the adjustments had to happen WHILE swinging - seemed entirely arbitrary to me. You good Sir don’t sell opinion, you sell results of an optimization process Mr. Norman has completed for us to copy! Thank you very much for your work!

[@jeffparnell5916]

Best definition of proper grip size and why it matters....PERIOD! Great stuff Todd!

[@elderhiker7787]

Thanks for this excellent explanation of Moe's grip. In addition to your videos, I actually have the original Natural Golf book (in which you are prominently featured as the primary model of Moe's swing) and I was sure that I had correctly placed my hands on the club. Here is what I have found in my experimentation: I use the 10-finger grip for pitching and chiping. But, I switch to the overlaping grip for driver and fairway woods. I find that the 10-finger grip allows me to keep the club face square to the target line longer and it increases my accuracy. But, as you say, for longer shafts in the driver and fairway woods, the 10-finger grip restricts the leverage angle in the backswing and get shorter shots due to reduced swing speed. I do use the JumboMax XL grips with no-taper and it find that it gives me greater control over face angle. Because of this, I hit very straight shots. But, I'm still a work in progress and I frequently watch the Moe Norman videos and the Natural Golf book to remind myself of the swing goals I am trying to achieve. Your KZbin videos are an inspiration. Thanks a million.

[@BoomerBlogging]

Todd - I just went back and reviewed this - an absolute "ah-ha" moment for me - this all makes sense yo me now! Thanks - this is more about learning what Moe meant and did - rather than what he said! I had previously run out and outfitted with a set of Jumbo Max grips (a la BD) and got away from the grip training of my Graves Golf 5 iron training club.

[@johnkeegan6646]

I owned natural golf clubs. This video showed me what I was doing wrong with the grip back in the day. Thanks.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You're welcome.

[@DonSwindle]

As a former Natural Golfer this video gave me the speed I needed.

[@irishplayerkc]

Thanks for this informative instruction on grip. I first learned Natural Golf when I needed to find a swing for my Father, who after hip surgery, could no longer play the game he loved. We took the Natural Golf lessons together in Tampa and he loved how he could once again hit it square without hip action; which he could no longer replicate after surgery. It also took me out of the woods and into the fairway but my distance suffered greatly. I'm 6'4" tall and 250 lbs and I used to hit it a mile, but not very straight. Natural Golf cured my slice but took yards away from my drives. The first tenet of Natural Golf was the palm grip and ten finger; which was hard to get used to. My hands are very large; I wear XXX gloves so the Natural Golf grip feels better in my hands. I can now see where my mistakes were and take it to the range. Thanks again.

[@patricklee780]

Try the JumboMax grips that DeChambeau uses, I think you will be amazed at the difference.

[@theboringgolfer]

Great video, I get it.. I just want to say that I grew up playing tennis so when I found out Moe had bigger grips and talked about having the grip in your palms I was elated. I understood what he was getting at immediately, you get a much better feel. So what did I do, I experimented and quickly found out too big is a loss of control and too thin is loss of feel so you really have to make sure it’s better to have a bit of both. Back to tennis grips, the size differences come in 1/8 of an inch differences so it’s important to figure out your personal size. Mid size grips with 2 tapes work for me.. 🎯

[@wallstreetoneil]

The best video on the grip I've ever watched! I would add 3 comments based on what you said that I think may not be entirely correct. You stated that you aren't a fan of the 10 finger grip because it shortens the lever-> implication power loss. I would argue, getting your dominant hand fully on the club, yes with a tiny bit shorter lever, provides FAR more potential power gain than loss from 1/2" shorter of a lever. The 2nd issue would be the implication that a full Radial (thumbs up) Wrist Hinge (on the back swing) is necessary for the most leverage / power. When you look at some of the longest hitters on tour (Bryson's new swing, Wolff, Rahm), none have a full thumbs up Radial Hinge (on the backswing) but do get more loaded wrist compression Radial Hinge during the change of direction (which stores more power than an uncompressed / unloaded Radial hinge) - but they all have massive loaded Wrist Extension 'hinging' during the same transition - thus you can argue that the focus on a full Radial Hinge as a backswing necessity isn't completely accurate as wrist Extension and additional 'down cock' radial wrist loading are more important. The 3rd 'physics' issue would be that a bigger grip provides more surface area for the Right Hand to apply force against and 2ndly, the larger circumference of a bigger grip would allow more mechanical advantage twisting force to be applied to the grip by the golfer - this alone is a reason for everyone to use as big a grip a possible - at minimum +4 type grips. I recently found your channel and have really enjoyed your material.

[@drewbeedoobeedooooooo4821]

Anyone else been looking for a full breakdown of Moe’s swing because visually it’s just so counterintuitive? This is it, finally!!! Can’t wait to hack for a few sessions until I get this down

[@johnbrohl1709]

I remember buying the natural golf videos probably 20 years ago It did not help my driver very much but definitely helped with my iron play

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You have to do it correctly for it to work. Single plane works for all clubs.

[@johnbrohl1709]

That's why I wanted to continue watching the videos

[@hughcapetien]

The grip with the left hand looks very Hoganesque. In his "Five Lessons" you can see an excellent illustration of the proper hand grip and it mirrors Mo Norman's hand grip. The shaft should be obliquely placed just below the first joints of the fingers of the left hand to ensure squaring the club head at the top of the swing. A grip in the meaty part of the hand would induce a duck hook. Norman and Hogan the best ball strikers ever!

[@jackmacner9824]

Love the explanation. I have been using the natural golf swing and love the simpler mechanics, but I am also still learning. Your videos have been a big help in my learning process. Thanks

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You're welcome.

[@kmotley517]

@@ToddGravesGolf What are your thoughts about driver settings on a Calloway Maverick. Been dealing with issues in my single plane. Issue has to be address, but in the interim I've tried to change my lie and angle settings to correct going right with my drives. I'd rather fix my swing naturally and I know that means address and setup work first.

[@Snowman9K]

The standard place to measure the top hand portion of a grip is 2 inches down from the end. If you measure that Natural Golf grip there, I'm pretty sure it will be 0.900 inches, which is the same as a standard size grip. I used to have the NG grips, but finally threw out my last one. They are of course that same size all the way down to the bottom, which is quite different from a standard grip.

[@pipebliss]

Awesome video, Todd. So much clarity!

[@thomasfraser9072]

I think Moe said in a vid one time that he placed the club in the lifeline of his lead hand. So I did. It did not work for me and so I walked away from Natural Golf. Now you are discussing my preferred grip over the years and so your current instructions on Moe Norman swing is making more sense to me. Thank you for clearing this critical part of Moe's swing up for me. Cheers

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Yes, the old "what Moe said vs. what he did"." Study his swing in full motion on video to understand what he did. Remember, Moe didn't have any way to "see" what he really did when he learned to play.

[@PinoAlu]

I appreciate clarifying the grip. I recently started to transition from a conventional swing. I practiced thinking the grip should be placed in the Palm with a single plane swing. My swing and shots were much weaker. I will go back to my original in the finger grip. Thank you!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You're welcome.

[@SvingitGolf]

Grip size is highly a personal feel. Doesn't matter what hand size charts say in the end. If it feels right then it's right. I use a Tour Velvet Plus 4 and have equal thickness for both hands. Now I actually feel that I have more power through the swing in my right hand.

[@johnhuffman1670]

Great analysis. I started with Natural Golf over 20 years ago, this is better

[@EscalanteFlyFlipper]

Brilliant video. Moe was paid to change and as you’ve indicated he sort of did. I like the funny video where he was “the first inductee” into the Natural Golf Hall of Fame. Moe walked away and tapped the little trophy on his head. I’d love to know his thought at that moment in time. Now that was a “tell” if ever there was one. And I love your passion to teach. All the best.

[@chunmingho4494]

Brilliant video. Moe was paid to change and as you’ve indicated he sort of did. I like the funny video where he was “the first inductee” into the Natural Golf Hall of Fame. Moe walked away and tapped the little trophy on his head. I’d love to know his thought at that moment in time. Now that was a “tell” if ever there was one. And I love your passion to teach. All the best.

[@SpitSharp]

Makes senses when explained right.

[@MarkRomain]

Thank you for your video they are so useful. Please could you tell me is the length of the irons longer than normal.

[@darrinoilar4378]

This video is very clear on the lead hand, and the reasons why, but I'm still a little murky on the trailI hand. Is there a video that gives a good view of the trail hand grip. Both Moe's grip and yours certainly looks deeper into the palm than mine. I also recall a video where Moe is showing the callouses on his trail hand and they also seemed very much in the palm.

[@robsaxepga]

Good points, thanks. That's funny. I swore when I looked at Moe's grip that he was overlapping early but I thought I was just not seeing it correctly.

[@anandshah71]

Interesting video for me cause I am a veteran Badminton and Squash Player and we use variety of grips on my rackets and when started golf surprised no one uses grips like we do on racket In fact I am about to try some badminton grips on my 7 iron and see what I loose and gain

[@James_Vaughn]

Good explanation. I've been through just about all the grip sizes and styles you mention here, and after listening to this I can see why I moved away from them. I actually picked up some distance with the Jumbomax xl grips, but that may have been due to the back weighting they cause. I also missed left a lot with them. At any rate, I'm currently using Jumbomax small grips, with an overlapping grip. They seem to be the most comfortable for me right now, and I don't have to mess with adding any wraps under the trail hand.

[@richfromboston]

Greatest video explaining the proper grip and reasons why. THANKS TODD

[@TeddyCavachon]

The genius of the Vardon grip vs. the baseball grip used in the 1800s is that it allows the hands to turn over symmetrically like a hinge pin on a gate - . - when a golf club is allowed to freely hang under the shoulders and find equilibrium “pendulum” balance with gravity. If the hands are separated on the grip as in the baseball grip the hands will swing out in a circle away from the body adversely affecting club path. That overlapping-locked grip style was actually first developed my Scottish amateur Johnny Laidlay in the 1890s then adopted and popularized by Vardon. The difference in the single plane swing developed by Moe is that it does not start from a baseline of the club handing freely in balance with hands swung in close to body by the canted dual lever action the Vardon grip creates. Moe’s swing dynamics were more like the Olympic hammer throw and the hammer throw of the Scottish games in the 1600s in which body mass, of which he had ample supply, is used to counter the force of the swinging club and maintain balance. The same strategy much also be employed in the conventional swing for balance when the clubs get too long to swing freely under the shoulders at address like a pendulum (e.g.; anything longer than a 5 iron). One of the reasons golfers using the conventional swing style struggle so much with longer irons is not realizing the need to swing them differently. Many seem to hit Driver better than irons because with Driver they keep the club up in the air and swing it while setting up, reflexively finding ideal “dynamic” balance the way Moe did with all clubs with his swing style. The fact that the single plane swing and grip forces the golfer to finding the ideal point of balance by swinging the club is I thing one of the reasons it is so effective and much easier for beginning golfers to learn compared to the dual plane swing developed by Byron Nelson in the mid-1930s when switching to metal shafts. The inherent advantage of the dual plane swing with metal shafts vs. the old single plane with Hickory clubs is the loading of kinetic energy in the shaft by bending it at the start of the downswing then maintaining the bend by keeping the hands accelerating faster than shoulders in the downswing. But it is also possible to do that with a single plane with with metal clubs which Moe proved. But golfers are like Lemmings willing to follow whatever new style appears to create an advantage. In Nelson’s case it was actually just bending and loading the shaft by dropping the hands down at the start of the backswing so everyone copied that-except Moe because Moe knew his way accomplished the other key goal better-releasing the ball straight to the target with ‘no-brainer’ bio-mechanical simplicity.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Ok. I think.

[@robertwilgosz1442]

OK JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING SO QUICKLY, (VERY IMPRESSED). MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS MOE SAYING PALM GRIP IN THE VIDEO I SAW LAST NIGHT IT SHOWED HIM PUTING THE GRIP IN HIS RIGHT HAND IN THE PALM & I SAW YOUR RIGHT HAND IN THE FINGERS. THIS CONFUSED ME. WHEN PLAYING OVER TIME MY FINGERS WOULD HURT USING NORMAL GRIPS & SWITCHED TO LARGE WINN GRIPS WHICH HELPED TREMENDOUSLY BUT WOULD STILL HURT W THE DRIVER SO I WENT TO A JUMBO GRIP ON MY DRIVER ( I WAS SO EXCITED WHEN YOU PULLED UP THE JUMBO GRIP LOL) & WENT FROM 260-280 YDS TO 180 -200 I WAS LIKE WTH HAPPENED SO IT TOOK AWHILE TO FIGURE IT OUT. YOUR EXPLANATION MADE SENSE BUT I NEVER REALLY FIGURE OUT WHAT I DID TO CORRECT IT BUT TO HOLD THE DRIVER A LIL TIGHTER IN MY LEFT HAND. I FIGURED THERE WAS TOO MUCH PLAY IN THE INSIDE OF THE GRIP CAUSING A VIBRATION & NOT ALLOWING THE POWER TO GO INTO A CLEAN STRIKE. I ALSO CHANGE MY ANGLE OF MY HANDS I GUESS PUTTING THE SHAFT BACK UNDER THE PIVOT POINT I FORGET THE NAME OF THE BONE U SAID IN THE ARM THIS HELPED QUITE A BIT ALLOWING MY DRIVES TO INCREASE IN DISTANCE AGAIN THE OTHER THING I STARTED DOING LAST YR WAS TO START THE DRIVER BACK FROM THE BALL AS I ENVISIONED THE ANGLE OF THE FORWARD PATH HITTING UP/THROUGH THE BALL EXACTLY LIKE THE MOE FEELING GREATNESS VIDEO MOE DID THIS AS WELL ANY REASON WHY? I STARTED TO DO IT BY WATCHING ALL THE LONG DRIVE COMPETITIONS & ONE GUY EXPLAINED IT THAT IT ALLOWS HIM TO HIT UP ON THE BALL & GAIN TOP SPIN ON HIS DRIVE TO GAIN DISTANCE. KEEP TEACHING IT MAKES A TON OF SENSE NOW!!!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Ball Position: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnS7mnymbL6IjdU Dont forget to subscribe to my channel and look through the videos. I answer all of your questions if you just thumb through the videos.

[@robertwilgosz1442]

@@ToddGravesGolf I ALREADY SUBSCRIBE THANK YOU

[@robertwilgosz1442]

@@ToddGravesGolf I HAVENT WATCHED THE VIDEO YET BUT MY BALL POSITION IS ALWAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF MY BODY EXCEPT WHEN IM DRIVING I HAVE IT ALL THE WAY FORWARD LINED UP W MY LEFT BIG TOE OR MIDDLE TOE DEPENDING HOW WELL IM SWINGING THE CLUB THIS HAS STRAIGHTENED OUT MY DRIVE IF I HIT IT CORRECTLY, LOOSING BALANCE IS THE BIG PROBLEM ILL ROCK BACKWARDS ON MY UP SWING & NOT GET BACK TO WHERE I NEED TO BE OR ILL TURN MY HIPS TOO EARLY IN THE SWING CAUSING MY CLUB FACE TO BE OPEN. I KNOW WHATS WRONG ASA I HIT THE BALL!

[@alancarlyon3928]

Great video ever on the net showing golfers the proper grip, but I did notice you and many other golfers want to take their grip of their hands too far up the shaft, why? Because they believe the longer the club the longer they will hit the ball, The top of the grip is the thickest part of the club! Moe and many other pro golfers leave a gap of around two inches or more at at the top of their grip! Why, because their club fits better and feels better when the finger tips are just touching the palms of their hands! I have small fat sausage fingers and it took me almost 20 odd years to admit to myself that I will need to fit lady's grips onto my clubs, why did I not do it earlier you may ask, well every time I talked about doing this too my clubs my golf mates would laugh and make fun of me! The other thing is, most golfers play with custom made clubs which are standard, I am only 5 feet four so what good is standard clubs to me, some golfers are well over six feet, so what good is standard clubs too them? The answer is - get fitted - but not every golfer can afford to do that, so the next best option and the only option is to take their grip further down the shaft! I have been playing golf for well over 45 years, so sad it took me this long to figure this out! I hope this helps those who are reading this, if they are joiners then they will twig right away! Then we have club head alignment at address, but that's another story! Good luck golfers!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Good information. Yes, Get fitted. Nothing wrong with moving the hands down the club to fit. might lighten the overall swing weight so consider adding a bit of lead tape (weight) to the club head.

[@jameswirth3117]

I am skeptical as to whether anyone can emulate Moe Norman. What I have noticed with Norman is that his spine angle never changed when he was hitting golf balls, and that is something that anyone can do. Albeit with practice.

[@EscalanteFlyFlipper]

Todd. How about a video on a critical issue like spine health. The standard low hands grip is murder on golfers in general and takes seniors out of the game entirely. A friend of mine told me he thought about hitting balls the other day and then didn’t because it hurts his neck to hit balls. The single plane works without pain.

[@jerryphillips5777]

great reminder imfo Todd, thanks from NZ.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You are welcome.

[@l.l.5274]

Thanks for this great video. I would ask that showing all the wrong grip actually confuses me even more...wouldn't it be better to stick just with the right grip? I had to watch this video several times just to get the correct grip. Just a thought. Thanks much!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I agree. I always like the concept of "JUST DO THIS" however, many people don't understand the "WHY". I like to explain the why's too.

[@gregbeck7276]

After listening and watching now he said to put in Palm and thats what it looked like. But this makes sense to me

[@spakuloid]

I think my grips are too big - I have the exact issue you describe with JumboMax LG grips - either a weak - short - high shot or a pull hook.

[@TomSmith-yt8ce]

Todd nice work and explanation

[@papahajek5383]

Please add the reverse taper grips that have become available. I tried them on a friend's clubs and was immediately successful.

[@MarshallWilkinson]

Wow. I wish this video was around when I was doing natural golf, I was all palm, striking the ball well, but had no distance. I should’ve experimented further, you make it seem so obvious, but I was following directions, directions which were miscommunicated I guess.

[@jmarkkuntz]

Thank you for this video and explanation, it clarified things tremendously

[@lasalinks]

Great video...you are a great teacher.

[@alanvaneeden6114]

Just stumbled on the video now. Would one still be able to use an interlocking grip or should the overlap rather be considered as interlocking wouldnt shorten the length as much as a 10 finger hold? Thanks for the great videos.

[@ianchantrey8868]

Absolutely brilliant analysis of Moe’s and the single plane grip. Thanks Ian from England. Bye the way do you have any of your single plane instructors here in England. Thanks

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I have been wanting for years to come to England.

[@ianchantrey8868]

I’m sure there are many students of the single plane swing over here who would love you to “cross the pond “ and give a seminar. Here’s hoping it may happen in the future. Thank you for your reply.

[@bdh121]

Great video, Todd do you prefer trigger finger grip in left hand or more of a long thimb?

[@venudesaraju6998]

Hi Todd Great video about the grip and single plane golf swing. I loved it watching. I am a weekend golfer and play off a 9 handicap. I happened to play with one of the top teaching pros in South Africa, and had lessons from him. I follow his basics. His TV show is "Ultra Simple Golf" and he is Muss Gammon. I use interlock grip, and is it fine to use this in single plane golf swing of Moe. I would love to give it a try. Regards VENU

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I have found that the Interlocking grip is the least effective hand position for the Single Plane Swing. You can give it a try but often the trail hand of the interlocking grip creates too much (on Top) rotation of the hand. Therefore I find that overlapping is much better.

[@venudesaraju6998]

Thx Todd. One question, is it a cast in stone that the club has to be an inch or two behind the ball.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

@@venudesaraju6998 Everything that I teach (club behind the ball) is to decrease the movement and increase efficiency. If you alter any of these "ingredients' you might not receive the full benefit of the simplicity. Again, variation is variability.

[@venudesaraju6998]

I understand what you mean Todd. Going to hit a few balls tomorrow with the new swing. Nothing wrong in trying. Can’t wait.

[@venudesaraju6998]

Hi Todd Gave this swing a try and it was a bit awkward initially with stance, grip etc but worked well. Of course need some practice. However, I have a doubt or question regarding alignment. Do I need to get the clubs custom fitted to suit the single plane swing or adjust stance slightly. I feel like I’m hitting right of the target. Regards Venu

[@dylanlong1111]

Really love all ur videos really well explained and would love to learn in person from u thanks!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thanks for watching!

[@j3ll3ymonst3r]

Just what I needed to see thank you so much!!

[@mjac5044]

Awesome presentation. Clear as a bell. Thanks!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You are welcome.

[@tmastel9301]

I am looking to put the Golf Pride MCC Plus 4 grips on my clubs.....on your website you have a guide to how much grip tape should be put on before the grips....should the lower tape amount be adjusted for these grips because of the less taper?

[@alancarlyon340]

Hi Todd -Question - what height was little Moe? Was Moe's club grip thinner than the standard golf grip? I am 5 feet 4 with fat stubby fingers! Should I be using Ladies golf grips as they are thinner?

[@mikenorthern1024]

Interesting. Got to get out to Oklahoma to one of your 3 day classes.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Please do!

[@10MFAN]

Todd, could you tell me if Moe’s grip would be more equivalent to a Jumbomax small? Or a regular Jumbo grips with how many wraps? Thank you so much.

[@tomnelson8515]

Fantastic explanation. Thanks.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Glad it was helpful!

[@alexanderking3367]

Brilliantly explained video

[@josdenhartog7385]

Fantastic explanation!

[@JustMe-pf9pz]

Just watched a Video from 1994 with a interview of Moe Norman. His lower hand is in the lifeline. It does look more PALM grip then what you are leading us to believe. Direct from Moe himself. So now confused. Do you teach his swing or just a variation of his swing?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Moe Norman Interview 1963

[@mab0852]

Outstanding explanation!!!

[@kennethfountain6153]

Did Moe use 10 finger just on his wedges? Or did he over lap them as well when younger? I have found ten finger really helps when taking a half to full swing with a higher lifted club. It seems to keep my right shoulder tracking underneath better.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

He used overlapping grip when he was younger on all clubs , even on wedges.

[@JohnnyLREACTS]

Excellent explanation!!

[@jonathansmith9705]

I understand not everyone should use the same grip size Moe did, but out of curiosity, what is it? You mentioned it looks to be a little larger than standard; midsize then? Does it matter whether one uses an overlapping or Vardon grip?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Depending on your hand size but I recommend for a hand size that is Medium, +2 wraps in lead hadn't and +4 wraps in trail hand. Slightly larger is ok too. What is your hand size from wrist to middle finger tip and I can tell you what I recommend.

[@ReggieGomez48]

Todd, in regards to grip size, do you see an influence with swing weight within the single plane swing?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I like to keep all clubs over D-2. I range around D-4 and my Wedges are heavier. I like the total weight of the club to be slight bit heavier as well.

[@ar_x7]

I forgot which basketball player it was, but they has a thick putter grip on their cobra f8 driver.

[@hallgd49]

Great video thanks. I was just wondering, how do you feel about same length clubs, which is what I play with, PW-4IR.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

To be honest, I am not a huge fan of single length clubs for a number of reasons. The goal of Single length would be to create and advantage. While I understand that single length might seem like an advantage - one length / one setup - I believe it creates some disadvantages in the shorter irons. Also, you still have four other lengths of clubs in your bag so you can never get away from the length of the club (lever) generating speed. Therefore, I just dont think they are a huge advantage.

[@francoiswalton6873]

Hi Greg, I’m considering same length clubs, have they improved your game?

[@jgill9488]

Great info

[@kevinpratt6925]

How do you know what grip size best fits your hands to execute this swing? Can the grip be too small?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

As you notice in the video, when it is too small, the club can move in the hands, so yes, it can be too small. We have a custom grip sizing process based on hand size. I can discuss this more in the upcoming videos.

[@jameslong1644]

I’ve been trying this but it feels like the club is barely being held by my pinky finger it’s definitely not comfortable.

[@stevego4835]

That happened because all the moe clinics had him saying He put it in the palm

[@bfg9000d1]

Hi Todd, I agree with just about everything you said. But you probably watched the 1994 Moe Norman golf swing demo - Interview (it comes up when searching youtube for it). When closely watching it, Moe had limited motion of the backswing with the 10 finger.... Moe pre natural golf he was able to jack that golf club way back. I know age might play a factor of course, but even still... Also, I would like for you to dive into and or do a video, Why Moe earlier on had an ankle roll going on in his trail foot, versus the flat foot approach that you teach now, as clearly demonstrated in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYiTeH14edafbtk

[@andrewkmac3507]

Todd did you see this great comment?

[@shavedhead78]

Great stuff

[@johnmcbeath1751]

My hand size is 8 and a quarter inches from wrist crease to top of middle finger and my middle finger is 3 and a half inches long. What should my grip size be for the one plane swing?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I’m not the expert in club fitting. But you can talk to the experts here: gravesgolf.com/free-club-fitting/

[@chrisbilling2229]

Any tips for fixing the problem of the club turning in your hands? Is it just grip pressure?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Grip size might be too small. Where does it turn in the swing?

[@chrisbilling2229]

@@ToddGravesGolf usually in my downswing just before contact.

[@kbbvwelsh9334]

Hey Todd, I'm trying to adopt this swing but my ball flight is still heading to the right (I'm left handed). I am making solid contact though. Would this indicate I'm still twisting or rotating instead of shifting forward. Thank you for all the videos.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Might indicate a strong lead hand position where the club is closed.

[@rockbottom1969]

WOW! I AM AMAZED

[@lukevanmatre8942]

I'm putting on the graves golf grips I need to wraps underneath the grip so should I make the whole grip the same diameter or just make the right-hand larger so in other words is the entire grip the same diameter from the top to the bottom

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Did you get the fitting chart?

[@lukevanmatre8942]

@@ToddGravesGolf yes I did it says that I need to raps

[@lukevanmatre8942]

In my text it should say two. Not to sorry

[@richmel6245]

Well done...

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thanks.

[@jamesgander7337]

Thanks

[@frozentundra7446]

Next size from standard is midsize - no?

[@carlvanmilder2210]

hi todd i am still looking for a cleveland launcher hb irons 5 to sw in graph shaft for senior at a good price if you spot one thanks for your help carl

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Hey Carl. I don't deal in used clubs. Check eBay.

[@patibarra1180]

Is Dallas in your plans for a class is there somebody who teaches your model here in Dallas

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I am only 3 hours away from Dallas in OKC.

[@mondeogolf]

I heard Moe say he held it in his palm saying you don't hammer nails in with holding a hammer in your fingers though

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Yes. That is what Moe said but not what he did. I have dozens of pictures and videos to validate Moe's actual hand position.

[@ultimatejay]

Great video. A little off topic but how did MOE square his club up at address when it was so far behind the ball? If you square your club directly behind the ball and then move it back to where MOE did then due to the arc the clubface would now be open a little. So how did he consistently get it correct when he just quickly put his club way back behind the ball?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Remember, Moe tilted at address, he didn't turn at address so the club is square because he only tilted.

[@jiujitsugolf]

Todd I have a question. I could swear in an older video series that you stated that the club shaft will hit your forearm and that you had bruises there from hitting so many wedge shots? Could be confusing a video and a remark you made on an old board? Is this something from teh Natural Golf days that you moved away from?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Yes, the club would "incorrectly" hit my arm. I had to learn how to stop it from doing so. I don't want the club hitting the arm.

[@jiujitsugolf]

@@ToddGravesGolf thank you for your reply!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

@@jiujitsugolf Sure!

[@jeffamador6037]

Mr. Graves, I’m really confused. After watching the Moe Norman and Bryson DeChambeau Secret video kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZaQnHqkltCFmJI, I tried using the described set up with full ulnar deviation. I maintained that position throughout my swing. This resulted in a slower swing speed (because of no lead wrist cock/hinge during my back swing), but much, much, more consistent ball striking. Giving up speed/distance for straight/consistent ball striking was OK with me. But watching this video, although you start and end with full ulnar deviation, you clearly don’t have it at the top of your swing as you hinge/cock that lead wrist. I understand this is needed for speed/distance but it requires perfect timing (just like the traditional swing) in returning to full ulnar deviation at the bottom of the swing. I’m sure I’m wrong but it seems like the only difference is that you start with full ulnar deviation, give it up at the top of the swing, and then return to it, while the traditional swing starts with partial lead wrist hinge/cock, increases it at the top of swing, and then must get to full ulnar deviation for ball contact. Please clarify for me. Thanks.

[@bargainman458]

How do I make an rutine to make sure I'm in the right distance from the ball and my feet?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

ill work on a video about that. One thing I do is make sure my clubs fit well. That helps a lot.

[@brewmaster95060]

Not everybody’s hands are the same Me Wrist crease to start if middle finger 4.5 inches Middle finger 3.25 inches

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Of course. that is why we custom fit grip size.

[@jimsumner7360]

Good stuff

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thanks for the visit

[@paulgunning911]

Do you think Moe would have have jumbomax, maybe small size

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Yes. HIs grips were larger. He called small grips toothpicks.

[@think4yourself1]

Awesome

[@carlvanmilder2210]

hi todd i still have not heard a word on the putter i bought of you can you do any thing your end to find out for me carl thanks

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Any news on the putter?

[@carlvanmilder2210]

todd still no news very slow if you can do any thing il be very happy thanks

[@carlvanmilder2210]

todd i got a new set of cleveland irons going very well

[@carlvanmilder2210]

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[@carlvanmilder2210]

@@ToddGravesGolf hitodd have not heard a thing about putter can you please do some thing to hurry them up thanks carl

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

Mid-Size grips FTW!

[@weedote1]

The lie of the clubs have to be changed into flatter, right or wrong?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Maybe. We custom fit clubs for the Single Plane Swing. Most likely they will be flatter.