Single Seat Merlin Experimental Kit Aircraft YOU CAN AFFORD

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@foesfly3047
@foesfly3047 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't expect to care about this airplane at all. I only came to see my excellent brother Bryan. But I am very impressed with this package, the build process, the value/economy and this man's ingenuity. I need 2 seats and more speed but I'll be watching this guy in case he develops a more capable airplane in the future. Thanks Bryan.
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 2 жыл бұрын
You are welcome. Thanks for showing up AGAIN and AGAIN :-) YES! This is a nice little package and a lot of value for the amount of work already done as a "Kit." For sure!
@flyingkub
@flyingkub 2 жыл бұрын
Great a proper video (not one of the short ones), with good info. Thank you.
@johnsurovik3693
@johnsurovik3693 2 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you finally talking to Chip! I've been following the Merlin for years, and eventually it's going to be my first build!
@wanderleyapparecidovieira2282
@wanderleyapparecidovieira2282 2 жыл бұрын
Thats a beautiful design plane,specially wings project so clean ,no struts added , modern design donne, congratulations to the engineering applied !!!!
@GeneralSirDouglasMcA
@GeneralSirDouglasMcA 2 жыл бұрын
This would make an excellent time builder.
@tomteseletec2072
@tomteseletec2072 2 жыл бұрын
WoW ! Fantastic Kit
@Stubby0266
@Stubby0266 2 жыл бұрын
I really like this aircraft.
@KowboyUSA
@KowboyUSA 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting little plane. Will be checking it out.
@TRPGpilot
@TRPGpilot 2 жыл бұрын
Informative video as always!
@neilbarriskell7840
@neilbarriskell7840 2 жыл бұрын
Love this aircraft
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 2 жыл бұрын
It is pretty cool isn't it?
@Scruffers2011
@Scruffers2011 2 жыл бұрын
Love this plane! Hopefully I can buy one and fly it before I die.
@terrystrong9787
@terrystrong9787 Жыл бұрын
Great information video
@clarencehopkins7832
@clarencehopkins7832 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent stuff bro
@riverrat4631
@riverrat4631 Жыл бұрын
I looked at these real hard about a year ago and talked to Chip. They make a tail dragger model that could make a great mini bush plane. But I’m not wanting a 2 stroke and the new UTV engine needs some testing before I would consider one. Love to see how the PSA preforms with a 670 Rotax 90hp as a Tail Dragger with 27in Bush Wheels. Make a great STOL aircraft for back country flying.
@gabeplays9441
@gabeplays9441 9 ай бұрын
They have now released a engine called the VTWIN which is a four-stroke engine made by Aeromarine
@zm6658
@zm6658 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome plane, also this guy is a legend
@JoeCoolPilot
@JoeCoolPilot 2 жыл бұрын
Nice aircraft!
@user-uk1lt3rr2q
@user-uk1lt3rr2q Жыл бұрын
Радует применение металла, каркас обшивка в лучших традициях авиостроения. Молодцы ушли от перекали, сотовый телефон вместо навигатора и путевой скорости тоже практичное решение. Не раз выручал. Похож на киттен но исполнен в металле и с передней стойкой.
@Zaka_s
@Zaka_s 2 жыл бұрын
I love this channel ❤️❤️❤️🤩
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@Project2Aero
@Project2Aero 2 жыл бұрын
2 cylinder Yamaha? Yes please!
@Second-gear
@Second-gear 2 жыл бұрын
Sweet!!
@Thinkflite
@Thinkflite 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely airplane and Chip seems a super friendly and kind gentleman. I would note that the wiring in this aircraft is appalling though... also, get a baby wipe, you have mold growing above the baggage area...
@douglasearnest4381
@douglasearnest4381 2 жыл бұрын
It's a simple to understand concept: if you don't want to tell us the price, you don't want to sell the airplane.
@kevincaruthers5412
@kevincaruthers5412 Ай бұрын
Looked it up. $55K to $61K (difference being the ballistic parachute)
@doncatch1
@doncatch1 2 жыл бұрын
Neat Bird.
@theworshiptraveler6709
@theworshiptraveler6709 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful aircraft. I have been watching Chip through the whole process of the Merlin and Merlin Light but; what’s up with the mold or pitting inside the aircraft in the aft section?
@retired-pipefitter
@retired-pipefitter 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Florida humidity 😂
@williamparker917
@williamparker917 2 жыл бұрын
Bryan do you think you can get the max engine weight for it.
@steveburlingame1935
@steveburlingame1935 Жыл бұрын
Awesome
@L2FlyMN
@L2FlyMN 2 жыл бұрын
Not all aircraft cave transponders, so it’s still the pilots responsibility, to watch for traffic! I fly PPC & a friend had a near miss with a small helicopter, & that pilot never seemed to respond, as if seen, & my friend had to take evasive action, to avoid a collision.
@politicalsheepdog
@politicalsheepdog 2 жыл бұрын
I didn't think I'd be interested in a single place Plane but this would be really cool to build up flying hours on. It could easily keep up with bush planes with a 60hp motor. I just need a place to build the thing.
@thereissomecoolstuff
@thereissomecoolstuff 2 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. I have a boat. I take the boat out frequently by myself. I would go for it. No hassle and fly fly fly.
@gerritdykgraaf2570
@gerritdykgraaf2570 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Bryan,, I have a serious question for you !! Please fly it and let me know your thoughts in the near Future!! Yur going to Osh this year right!? My brother and I would like to meet you in person!! (Remember) Merlin PSA flight test ASAP!! You have the right stuff for the job my man!! Hop up into the cockpit and yell ( CLEAR PROP ) LOL!! No need to hop up into a Merlin!! Duck your head is more like it!! Heee heee heee Nice video Bryan! Stay safe Bryan G -Man
@kenhurley4441
@kenhurley4441 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Bryan. Very interesting airplane. Did you get to fly it?
@tinolino58
@tinolino58 Жыл бұрын
He is not a pilot
@thatguy7085
@thatguy7085 2 жыл бұрын
I kind of want one of these… if I had somewhere to park it.
@Hugocraft
@Hugocraft 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome work on everything, the manufacturing, the easy build, easy to get affordable 4 stroke engine, and overall low cost plane that goes 120mph! Yes I know 2nd seat topic was covered but would be nice if the baggage area behind the pilot could be used a 2nd seat even with no flight controls back there. The next wish would be a tail dragger configuration for slightly larger tires for more confidence with off airport landings and take offs.
@Hugocraft
@Hugocraft 2 жыл бұрын
Now I'm thinking of what other airframes you could put that Aeromarine V-Twin engine on. Legal Eagle comes to mind.
@DarylS256
@DarylS256 2 жыл бұрын
With only a 300 pound useful load for most people the only passenger you'd be able to put back there would be a toddler. I'm about 260 pounds and would not be able to fly the Merlin with a full tank of fuel, let alone a passenger or any baggage. I'm waiting for the Merlin 2.0!
@treylem3
@treylem3 2 жыл бұрын
@@DarylS256 🎯👍
@tinolino58
@tinolino58 Жыл бұрын
@@DarylS256 go and check out more single seat airplanes and complain about a missing second seat 🐊🦖
@thebirdbrand
@thebirdbrand 2 жыл бұрын
Go Bolts!!! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
@doncatchpole
@doncatchpole 10 ай бұрын
Enjoyed
@alienxyt
@alienxyt 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting. It seems like a hard shell ultralight. But if it cruises at 120mph, I guess it's a whole other category of aircraft. Gonna be a challenge to get transition training!
@2779mattie
@2779mattie 2 жыл бұрын
Ahw man I love this plane do they have it with tail wheel
@wayneco
@wayneco 2 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of a scaled down Cessna 305 / L-19 US military observation aircraft, only without the rear tandem seat.
@odyshopody9387
@odyshopody9387 2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing pop rivets are a lot better now. When I was in A&P school in the early 90's anything to do with structural components were put together with regular rivets, you would never use pop rivets!
@johnpayne1117
@johnpayne1117 Жыл бұрын
So the license thats required. Is it hard to get?
@jcjammer1
@jcjammer1 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure I missed it but is there a tail dragger version.?
@johnsurovik3693
@johnsurovik3693 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. Aeromarine has a taildragger (video is on their channel). Also available are larger tires for bush flying, as well as floats with retractable wheels.
@tinolino58
@tinolino58 2 жыл бұрын
I am 6ft 5in tall with 220lbs. I need one!!
@Mike-01234
@Mike-01234 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see kit manufacture make something with a reasonable cost in the 30k range flying. I wanted to buy a Kitfox been following them for years they jacked the prices so bad I can't afford spend 70k on a plane. Most people who make 100k a year with a family can't afford to spend that much on an airplane 30k range we can afford it. Too bad they can't add a jump seat behind for 2nd person the gross isn't high enough.
@matt59fire
@matt59fire 2 жыл бұрын
Dont get a family then. Easy. Settle down after your big purchases. Premarital assets and belongings is better anyways. Altho an aircraft doesnt appreciate but still.
@philipwilson9094
@philipwilson9094 2 жыл бұрын
I’d like to know more about the engine and where to obtain one I have a 582 powered plane and want to upgrade to something that feels more reliable
@leecowell8165
@leecowell8165 Жыл бұрын
Yeah very vague on WHO makes that engine and model #. yeah great engine well WTF IS IT exactly?
@johnwilliams3555
@johnwilliams3555 2 жыл бұрын
How do you steer it? I can't see any ailerons.
@madmanmechanic8847
@madmanmechanic8847 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised to see all the sheet metal and rivets inside no tube and bolts like most experimental. Looks like a well built plane but I would rather have a two seater and cargo but I am impressed with what I see with real metal and pop rivets I wish he would of taken it up towards the end instead of flapping the gums.
@larryharrison2402
@larryharrison2402 7 ай бұрын
Where can I get one
@GaryBlankenship96b40
@GaryBlankenship96b40 2 жыл бұрын
I have dreamed all.my lifevto have a plane and fly. Joined u.s.army to do rotary warrant program as enlisted guy wore glasses, tutned down 3 times. As a retired guy have type 2 diabetes very well controlled but cant fly alone.
@doesntmatter3068
@doesntmatter3068 2 жыл бұрын
Only a 1 seater? Dam I'm looking to build a 2 place........chuck this one out!
@Ichibuns
@Ichibuns 2 жыл бұрын
If you want an inexpensive 2 seat experimental then Sonex is your only option. For a ready to fly airplane, the Vashion Ranger is probably the cheapest at $128k.
@matt59fire
@matt59fire 2 жыл бұрын
What is the total hour cost?
@scottsipe3989
@scottsipe3989 2 жыл бұрын
WHERE WOULD YOU GO TO PICK UP THIS PLANE? WHERE IS THE COMPANY THAT YOU CAN ORDER IT FROM? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM LOOKING FOR BY THE WAY CAN YOU BUY A USED ONE AND WHERE WOULD I GO TO TRY TO GET ONE AND WHAT WOULD IT COST? CAN IT BE BOUGHT IT TO BUILD AT HOME. CAN YOU GIVE ME THE INFO?
@thomaslindsey7685
@thomaslindsey7685 Жыл бұрын
Where is this aircraft manufactured?
@DavidGilesColorado
@DavidGilesColorado 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you have other colors
@eugenelayton5231
@eugenelayton5231 2 жыл бұрын
What license is required to fly an experimental aircraft?
@Ichibuns
@Ichibuns 2 жыл бұрын
Experimental doesn't affect the license required. It depends on whether it meets LSA rule. If it exceeds LSA rules, you need a private pilots license. In the case of this airplane, you'd need a light sport license.
@minecraftwtihclay
@minecraftwtihclay 2 жыл бұрын
Only problem with it, the prop spins backwards. Counter clockwise from the cockpit. That would throw off a lot of pilots that are used to flying clockwise props.
@justincase1575
@justincase1575 11 ай бұрын
Once it’s turning, you don’t know the difference! I used to fly a British plane and engine rotated opposite most aircraft engines. Did not bother me!
@53glowe
@53glowe 8 ай бұрын
Really 🤔
@randyhodder8186
@randyhodder8186 Жыл бұрын
Ultimate mini Cessna 152 lol
@GaryL3803
@GaryL3803 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! 3-4sec to takeoff with 60hp and a prop. That is some acceleration! Color me skeptical. Would that into a 30kn headwind?
@TheOwenMajor
@TheOwenMajor 2 жыл бұрын
From videos of takeoff, it's more like 8-10 seconds.
@robrankin448
@robrankin448 2 жыл бұрын
Please post this on RUMBLE
@jayrivera54
@jayrivera54 5 ай бұрын
Price?
@devonlove9095
@devonlove9095 2 жыл бұрын
Is he developing a two-seater?
@GeneralSirDouglasMcA
@GeneralSirDouglasMcA 2 жыл бұрын
As the Merlin is intended for (so many of us) pilots on a budget, would it be ok to keep it tied down versus hangaring? Some of aircraft would be fine to tie down, such as a Luscombe, but other aircraft such as a fabric Taylorcraft, would not.
@victorkmarshall
@victorkmarshall Жыл бұрын
I see no issues with tying it down except you need to cover those plastic windows from UV
@tonybear7071
@tonybear7071 2 жыл бұрын
needs glider wings as a option
@J_Zeee
@J_Zeee 2 жыл бұрын
What regulation were you referring to with the 51% comment?
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 2 жыл бұрын
The manufacturer of a kit Airplane is not supposed to make/fabricate more than 49% of the "processes" or "tasks " required to complete and fly an Airplane. The Builder is required to completed 51% of the processes. Etc. Etc. Are you ready to BUILD?!! :-)
@treylem3
@treylem3 2 жыл бұрын
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel Well, I know I AM. Looking for 2 seats and stol capability
@sportflyer
@sportflyer 2 жыл бұрын
Lovely, but it really needs to be a taildragger…
@gerritdykgraaf2570
@gerritdykgraaf2570 2 жыл бұрын
He has them out there already!! And makes floats for them as well!!
@doneB830
@doneB830 2 жыл бұрын
The electrician needs talking to it’s super messy.
@blueneptune5860
@blueneptune5860 2 жыл бұрын
Why don't those wings fold ? I would buy in a sec if you could trailer it.
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 2 жыл бұрын
That is always the question it seems for very light aircraft. I am constantly told that in reality only a few people request it.. and half of those rarely use "The Option." So many manufacturers steer away from doing it.
@blueneptune5860
@blueneptune5860 2 жыл бұрын
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel Its hard to own a airport rent for hanger here in Naples cost some 200,000$ +
@michaelfarley9656
@michaelfarley9656 2 жыл бұрын
Look at a Onex. Easy wing fold setup for storage or trailering.
@MjK931
@MjK931 2 жыл бұрын
what the cost $$$$$$$$$$$
@zolotiyeruki
@zolotiyeruki 2 жыл бұрын
Near the end of the video.
@fins59
@fins59 2 жыл бұрын
So up to $45K ish
@zip7806
@zip7806 2 жыл бұрын
1:48 Moldy baggage compartment. 7:32 Oil on the firewall.
@martybrasher
@martybrasher 2 жыл бұрын
We all came to hear the price but still watching and waiting……… is that at the end?
@groachslayer
@groachslayer 2 жыл бұрын
If I could land it in back country I'd do it.
@tc6849
@tc6849 2 жыл бұрын
From their website! Yes, the taildragger version is available but it is made to order so delivery is a few months longer. You can choose standard or tundra tires. See how it looks in the photo gallery. Now. The V-Twin installation is nearly ready and we have engines in stock. We are just finishing the cowl.
@groachslayer
@groachslayer 2 жыл бұрын
@@tc6849 ok, awesome!
@groachslayer
@groachslayer 2 жыл бұрын
@@tc6849 so, uh, how about the landing gear? Can it handle rough terrain? It's not just about the tires.
@tc6849
@tc6849 2 жыл бұрын
@@groachslayer Yes good question. Looks like a good candidate for Shock Monster gear.
@nathanielcohen9890
@nathanielcohen9890 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is you can't get him to answer emails. I guess he didn't need the sale, so I bought another.
@sahandn9
@sahandn9 Жыл бұрын
Still cost over $50k
@zeninabox9818
@zeninabox9818 2 жыл бұрын
$75k in parts for a 2 seater Rotax Zenith.. however your comparison to a motorcycle is interesting
@ohwell2790
@ohwell2790 2 жыл бұрын
Disappointed, no flight video?
@speedomars3869
@speedomars3869 2 жыл бұрын
This thing is 40k as a kit. for 90k you can get a factory built two seater with a HUGE cargo area you can sleep in....the Vashon.
@utuberagain18
@utuberagain18 2 жыл бұрын
The Vashon Ranger aircraft was never offered for $90k. Per their website their base model "The Glacier" is currently $119,500. You're only off by 33% or $29,500. Vashon Aircraft was launched approximately March 1, 2018 as reported by Dan Johnson on his website. He noted their base model aircraft was $99,500. Per the Wayback Machine website, Mar 3, 2018, is the first screen capture of the Vashon Aircraft home page that was made. On Mar 5, 2018, there's a screen capture that documents their base model at that time was called "The Yellowstone." It's list price was $99,500. I expect it's a very fine aircraft, however their current pricing options are $119,500 and $126,500 plus whatever additional options a customer wants including more detailed vinyl wrap designs that cost an extra $2,500 or $9,500. vashonaircraft.com/ranger-pricing.php web.archive.org/web/20180305042844/vashonaircraft.com/ranger-pricing.php bydanjohnson.com/newest-light-sport-aircraft-join-fleet-vashon-ranger-r7/
@zsoltpapp3363
@zsoltpapp3363 2 жыл бұрын
For 40K you can buy an RV-8 Kit, there are thousands cruising over 200 mph (a factory built is around 100K). This 40K does include the engine?
@gbigsangle3044
@gbigsangle3044 2 жыл бұрын
@@utuberagain18 Even at 120k its a deal. It is fully factory built SLSA. Comes with a full Dynon glass panel and an all metal design. Built like a tank. A single seater kit like this video is talking about is a joke. 2000 hours of your own labor and you wont have as much aircaft as the Vashon. AND it will be experimental when done, not a factory backed SLSA with a warranty.
@utuberagain18
@utuberagain18 2 жыл бұрын
@@gbigsangle3044 Are you claiming it’d take 2,000 hours to build the Merlin aircraft? What’s your source of that alleged information? Perhaps that’s your assessment of your own refined skill level. Regardless, the original poster’s emphatic statement that the Vashon Ranger costs $99,000 was never correct and is patently false as the references I included clearly document. It’s not even close. That’s fine if the Ranger meets your mission, but it’s not for everyone just as the Merlin will meet the mission for some pilots and not others. I’ve sat in the Ranger, and the cabin is quite small for tall pilots, especially due to a lack of headroom. As I recall the size and positioning of the main spar provides a substantial risk of a head impact injury, probably in an off-airport landing or possibly in less significant circumstances. I don’t assess that as a favorable characteristic for an aircraft, especially one marketed for training of new pilots. For a pilot under 6 feet or so (but probably shorter) with a short torso it might be an okay option. To each his own. Also, the useful load is extremely low and not very useful. At the LSA limit of 1320 pounds, the stated 875 lb empty weight delivers a 445 lb useful load. Subtract 168 pounds for full fuel and that leaves 277 pounds for two pilots and zero baggage. No basic tie down kit, no quart of extra oil, no windshield cleaner and rag, no canopy cover, certainly no overnight bag, nothing. And then each pilot can only weigh an average of 138 pounds. I don’t believe that’s even remotely realistic. With a full rated 100 pounds of baggage, the two pilots’ average weight could only be 88 pounds each. How many healthy adults do you know that weigh 88 pounds? As the original poster described it, “with a HUGE cargo area,” however you effectively can’t even carry your required paperwork in it. You’d even need to be a pretty small solo pilot to carry a full baggage load. It’s great if you believe that performance is worth $120,000, but I suspect many others would disagree. A Ranger pilot could recover the use of 84 pounds if they fly with half fuel, but that’d severely limit flight time, range, and practical usefulness for anything much beyond pattern work. That 84 pounds would still only allow for two pilots at 180 pounds each and still absolutely zero baggage. That’d greatly restrict legal use as a trainer aircraft. They could each weigh 130 pounds with full baggage. Maybe the Ranger would be a great solo aircraft, however its manufacturer specifically markets it for flight schools. Doesn’t that seem like an odd combination? Perhaps you never considered these facts which I’ve identified. Pilots come in all shapes & sizes and combinations of missions. YMMV.
@Ichibuns
@Ichibuns 2 жыл бұрын
@@gbigsangle3044 You can literally build this one seater in less than 2 weeks. 1 week if you option the builders assist at the factory.
@glevideo
@glevideo 2 жыл бұрын
So does it actually fly? Sure didn't see it.
@Ichibuns
@Ichibuns 2 жыл бұрын
Flown on AVweb
@kevincaruthers5412
@kevincaruthers5412 Ай бұрын
Cost: (Frame, engine, avionics) : $46,500 With most options: $55,250 . Add $6K for ballistic parachute system. . All in $61,250
@wallywally8282
@wallywally8282 Жыл бұрын
Shame it’s not conventional U/C!
@tc6849
@tc6849 2 жыл бұрын
Everything is in the USA :(
@johnsurovik3693
@johnsurovik3693 2 жыл бұрын
In Europe, the Merlin is sold as a ready to fly aircraft.
@scottmiller4711
@scottmiller4711 2 жыл бұрын
So what is the name of the engine??? He talked about it but never said the name...
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel
@ExperimentalAircraftChannel 2 жыл бұрын
YES. :-) I think it is not widely known. (Meaning not the HKS that used to power it... but what he is developing).
@peteranderson037
@peteranderson037 2 жыл бұрын
I can't remember the exact make and model but it's a Chinese manufactured v-twin.
@johnsurovik3693
@johnsurovik3693 2 жыл бұрын
@@ExperimentalAircraftChannel are you going to get a chance to fly it with the new V-Twin?
@GordonThompson
@GordonThompson 2 жыл бұрын
He probably has an agreement not to use the brand name of the manufacturer so he just calls it the Aeromarine V-Twin. It's a Gaokin UTV engine that's used in Hisun vehicles though.
@wernerhoerning5661
@wernerhoerning5661 2 жыл бұрын
MONOPLACE E PAINEL HORRIVEL.
@robertdonald4409
@robertdonald4409 Жыл бұрын
And the price is more than a twin Cessna 210
@jbl7092
@jbl7092 Жыл бұрын
Affordable? Seriously?
@torrarosa7064
@torrarosa7064 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. Good way to become a GA death statistic..
@Ichibuns
@Ichibuns 2 жыл бұрын
What makes you say that?
@treylem3
@treylem3 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ichibuns 🎯 Ikr? I was asking the same question... Why he would say that? He's either not a pilot, or never flown LSA or ELSA. Either way, it's an ignorance fueled statement. Very sleek plane, beautiful, and now it's on my short list. Tho I would prefer 2 seats, most of my 462 hrs have been just me. Something very zen about flying alone, knowing I can put it down about anywhere if I necessary. THAT'S fun, safe flying !
@treylem3
@treylem3 2 жыл бұрын
I gotta ask too. Why would you say that? What seems dangerous about this tested and proven aircraft, to you? Thanks
@royalfolkspark
@royalfolkspark 2 жыл бұрын
You distroyed this video with the audio. Learn how to make a video properly, before you install a video. (thumbs down)
@ronflinders901
@ronflinders901 16 күн бұрын
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