Sinner Tops Djokovic in Shanghai, Winning 7th Title of 2024 | Monday Match Analysis

[@GillGross]

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[@poptart3598]

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[@gleobricksscaptain2483]

Remember how Federer was clueless when he plays Djokovic when he was 37-39…. Federer lost Wimbledon finals back to back with Djokovic and now Novak is facing the same FATE as Roger and Nadal … Novak can still play with high level of tennis, but when it comes to winning, no chance

[@bizjakboris]

It was very even match. Nole’s level was impressive throughout the whole tournament. He seemed super fast and agile. I was very impressed.

[@walterclements9019]

Sinner does what

[@greentiger50]

Last week Alcaraz edges him in Beijing and now he does this 😳

[@ProbablyLying]

I hope Gill continues with these saucy titles

[@Videolistener]

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[@SJ-di5zu]

@@greentiger50He can’t keep getting away with it 😭

[@KirkSchafer-j3e]

Lmao😂😂😂

[@borisnahalka3027]

what impressed me, was Jannik's Backhand down the line. He missed some at the beginning, so many players would say, nah, not today, it doesn't work for me, lets get cross. But Jannik did some spectacular backhands down the line later on, on important points. That shows me his believe in his game. And it is always a surprise factor, because he goes 99% cross. But when he makes it down the line with quality - it is point over. And each time he made it in this match - it was point over.

[@usermatisse]

Let's say also this: Sinner has almost 12k points which is insane, it's one of the highest in the history of tennis. And let's say that they deducted the points of IW and he didn't compete in Rome due to hip injury. He belongs to the very limited club of Djokovic, Federer, Nadal who finished with such score. And still we don't know if he'll win Bercy and atp finals, with what he could finish the year with 14k points, which is INHUMANE 😅 What a exceptional champion

[@vijay00071]

We're spoilt with Djokovic 17000, 12000 seems pretty meh. Also, Sinner and Alcaraz should be able to reach 14k in their career with ease

[@usermatisse]

@@vijay00071 yes, it's a huge achievement indeed

[@keacyut7]

Sinner is Djokovic 2.0 currently. That is why it is hard for Novak to beat Jannik than Carlos. Carlos is all about agressiveness but Jannik is good at giving back an extra ball. It's almost like what Novak has always done.

[@AlanSchorsch]

Sinner is pretty aggressive himself. So is Novak nowdays

[@angies7906]

He will figure out.

[@silentrhymes7490]

exactly, he's playing a copy of him but younger and faster. I dont see him winning against Sinner anytime soon unless its on clay or wimbledon where he has proved to be a really dominant player in his career.

[@niglschrvr]

Sinner *literally* didn’t miss an inside out forehand

[@Pfaz001]

In the press conference, Sinner addressed again the wada issue. Contrary to most players, that often become confrontational and even arrogant when it comes to controversies, he seems eager to talk about it as if it would bring some relief. This kid was already an example of behavior on court now I just love his composure and dignity when facing these adversities and the clueless trolls that keep insulting him even on tour. About Djokovic, I don't completely agree that his reactions are starting fading out. He was really great against an even better server such as Fritz, so I think the effectiveness of Jannik serve was more due to Novak difficulties in reading his serve more than age-related stuff.

[@michaelsilberg9059]

He has a good media coach.

[@billiey36]

@@michaelsilberg9059 What's the media coach's name? And does he/she work with everyone or only the intelligent, articulate ones?

[@Pfaz001]

@@michaelsilberg9059 having a good coach is a thing, sticking to wise advices is another as other players appear unable to stay composed. IMO the kid is authentic, he was like that even when he was not rich and famous so not able to afford a communication manager.

[@joannemoore3976]

Totally agree with this

[@paperinik69]

​@@michaelsilberg9059they all have

[@ricardlopez598]

My favourite shot by Sinner, for me, is his return. He knows exactly where to stand, not too far not too close, in the first serves. And he knows, when is the moment to be agressive in the second serve returns.

[@hcpacheco87]

Great analysis Gill! The stats about Sinner run around forehand are unreal, is video game stuff

[@Lewythefly]

Sinner: Look at me... I am the Djokovic now!

[@BikiG1]

Lol! Don't compare that shameless little doper with the GOAT . He will never be on Novak's level.

[@batta9327]

@@BikiG1stai zitta merdacci4

[@andreamaestroni5266]

@@BikiG1 Post match media conference. Q. Could you comment on any parts of Jannik's game that remind you of yourself? NOVAK DJOKOVIC: All around, you know, every shot he's got in the game. He's improved his serve tremendously, I think that became a big weapon. He's just very aggressive from the baseline, as soon as he's got a shorter ball, he's taking the initiative. Just very solid from forehand and backhand, doesn't make too many mistakes, and just tries to take away the time from the opponent. You know, that's something that reminds me of myself throughout my career, that's what I've done for so many years consistently, you know, playing fast-paced tennis, taking away time from the opponent, kind of suffocating the opponent, if you want, in a certain way. That's what you want, you want your opponents always to feel under pressure from your shots, from your speed, from your presence on the court. So he's got that, I mean, this year he's been so consistent, it's really, really impressive. 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫

[@Nostalgic-24]

@@BikiG1No hate please foma feloow Nole fan...Prime Novak was something else and we saw glimpses of it last year and this year at the Olympics

[@michelasavino1929]

@@BikiG1hater. @GillGross why don’t block these people?

[@paulrubinsteinvideo]

Wondeful insights as always. I think the stat you mention in the end - Sinner not missing a SINGLE inside out forehand the entire tournament whilst averaging 84mph on that particular shot - is the most impressive tennis stat I have ever heard. Machine-like and simply ridiculous.

[@massimoboccanera5744]

Prima di tutto è un bravo ragazzo

[@kolega427]

Sinner and Alcaraz are absolute elite players. Sinner a little bit more than Alcaraz overall. Especially with this excellent year he has. Bravo Jannik.

[@blackkitty9054]

@kolega427 only Sinner. Alcaraz keeps losing to anyone, his level is far behind Sinner's.

[@tovaba6930]

@@blackkitty9054 BS. Sinner is more consistent and in the long run consistency always wins, but if Alcaraz level was far behind Sinner's, Alcaraz wouldn't have beaten Sinner 3 out of 3 this year

[@buzzfunk]

@@blackkitty9054 Sure. This is why he has 2 GS this year and also just won the China open AGAINST Sinner. You're high.

[@Littlestephy29]

@@tovaba6930it’s on the courts that favor Carlos though. Not HC

[@tovaba6930]

@@Littlestephy29 What do you mean? Alcaraz just beat Sinner on HC in the China Open. Did you not check the facts or am I missing something?

[@quest9133]

Biggest improvement to Sinner’s game has been the movement and endurance. He is quick, agile and has stamina to boot. That has come in leaps and bounds. That has assisted tremendously with his shot tolerance where he is able to outlast and overpower the likes of Djokovic and Medvedev. It has also contributed immensely to his footwork where he makes run around forehands which gives him more options to dictate play and finish points decisively. He still needs to improve his spot serving and forecourt skills. All around a fantastic year

[@gecorazza]

Wonderful analysis, it’s just a pleasure listening to you, thank you

[@LAdN]

Sei il migliore! Le tue considerazioni sul tennis sono ineccepibili. Molti giornalisti professionisti prima di raccontare “fesserie da tifosi” farebbero molto meglio ad ascoltare prima quello che dici ti. U R 🔝 🤗 We ❤ Tennis

[@rajendradatta-z1n]

Not only Sinner's service his backhand and forehead is more powerful than Djokovic.

[@seguso]

He can break anybody's nose with that forehead!

[@stevelily1763]

DJOKOVIC has a different QUALITY than Sinner, his intelligence and his Unassailable Integrity

[@АндрейШелест-т8в]

I don't agree with the part that Sinner was average yesterday. In my opinion, Jannik played a really really good match. Novak was great in the first set and the italian didn't allow him to go to even 40:40 in his serve and overall throughout the match played agressive yet safe. Great performance for Jannik that highlighted what he can do in his peak

[@Julian_orwell]

This is not his peak. He played better in Miami.

[@Jalleur14325]

No question that sinner struggles more with Alcaraz ​@@Julian_orwell

[@joannemoore3976]

​@@Jalleur14325well this year he has, he came into the year leading the H2H. I think Gill's analysis the other day was good, Sinner has dialled back the pace just a tad to be more relentlessly consistent which has worked well overall. But against Alcaraz he maybe needs to absolutely hammer it.. do a Machac 😂

[@sleong]

yes Gil keeps DISRESPECTING Sinner. Sinner played amazinnnnnnng.

[@simonsimonovic4478]

Djokovic's returns are definitely off lately, not only against Sinner, but also agaisnt Alcaraz, Popyrin and many others He is still solid returner, but not so explosive and without that stretch like before

[@lucabassi8422]

Hi Gill and congratulations for your work, so accurate and interesting as always. I believe however that the mistake that is often made in evaluating a tennis performance and that you risk falling into in your match analysis is to consider each contender and his performance as something isolated compared to the presence on the court and the performance of the other player. Instead, what one player manages to do on the court often depends also on what is proposed and sent back to him by the other player. In the analysis of this final you focused a lot on Nole and his level as if this depended only on him, on his level of inspiration, physical condition, attitude and hunger for victory, while in reality the real difference for the final result, different from the previous days, in my opinion depended only on the value of the player in front of him! the thing that in my opinion you don't consider and highlight enough is how Sinner, before even beating you technically, beats you (and knocks you down) psychologically! Nole's different attitude after the first set lost in the tiebreak compared to the match with Fritz is that Jannik with his disarming and, indeed, apparently normal solidity, literally takes away your conviction and hope of being able to overcome him! I know that thinking this applied to the greatest player of all time has an effect, and that we are certainly not talking about Nole in his prime, but the 4 defeats in the last 5 matches with Sinner are now inside Nole and working in his head. so saying that Jannik wins without doing "anything exceptional" does not consider his ability to constantly raise his level compared to what is proposed to him on the other side of the net! he always seems to do the bare minimum to win, which is true, in essence, but in my opinion people forgets to emphasize enough how different the level he puts on the field is when he wins against Nole rather than against Michelsen. It always seems like he plays "at his standard level", but in reality we are talking about completely different levels! This, of Sinner, is a monstrous quality and it is the characteristic that is allowing him to have a year like 2024! and it is the characteristic that, I understand, makes him appear a bit boring and "robotic", but it represents what gives him this monstrous continuity of performance and results that will make him finish the year at number 1 and the main difference compared to his great rival Alcaraz, who instead always goes at a thousand without this ability to manage the level to "use it" according to the need.

[@angele810]

Excellent point! Very few players seem to have several gears like that and always minimize the “rpm”. Federer comes to mind.

[@alep7453]

Best I've seen Jannik serve.

[@NotbecauseIcoudnt]

Another great analysis.

[@rond249]

shows one too how good Machac is...

[@berlusmafia]

Kudos to Gill, he sparks on his eyes

[@zy9662]

Nice to see RF and CA watching their resoective Goats play for the title

[@sleong]

Sinner's having one of THE best ever tennis seasons in recent memory(21st century). Gil has understated how great of a season Jannik has had(preferring Alcaraz)

[@SJ-di5zu]

Regarding Sinner’s favorite shot: tennis insight ratings tend to seriously rate his forehand highly, suggesting that he really should be in the conversation for best forehand in the world. I tend to agree though I do think Alcaraz’s is still a bit better. I think Sinner’s forehand is his best shot, which is crazy to say considering his backhand is arguably the best in the world.

[@sapsave3651]

I think in terms of pure shot quality, sinner is definitely the best. What separates alcaraz from him though is the creativity in his shot selection. Alcaraz simply has a better mind for the game imo.

[@federicaaa]

Sinner said in several Italian interviews, his favourite shot is backhand and most improved forehand. AKA for him, the most natural shot is the backhand.

[@casicoartes]

Sinners backhand is his greatest weapon and Carlitos forehand before that arm injure was fire but its still effective

[@gretchenlittle6817]

Sinner's best/favorite shot? Interesting question. To me, it's the forehand on the run (deuce side) -- the way he unloads on that shot when he needs it. That seems like his ace in the hole.

[@paulrubinsteinvideo]

Agree. His balance on that shot and his ability to rip it are second to none. Although the Shanghai stats for his runaround forehand have made me rethink this slightly. 84mph average without a single error all tournament...what?!?!?!

[@matmax6834]

Alle Finals 2023 ne ha fatti un paio da fantascienza, uno proprio contro Nole nei gironi.

[@tjg6176]

Everyone listens daily should consider membership to show minimum support of Gill.

[@paulrubinsteinvideo]

Agreed! $2/month is nothing for such a brilliant service

[@DandanGallagher]

Agreed.

[@HeavyTopspin]

Just realized that Roger + Carlitos + Juan Carlos = 1 more major than Djokovic. But also one less Olympic gold medal and 90 fewer weeks at #1.

[@vivahernando1]

No one cares but you har har

[@henryshear5510]

Can't be 90. Federer has 310 weeks and Carlitos has 36. Don't know about Juan Carlos, but Djokovic has 428. Maybe something close to 80.

[@scara19]

And Roger+Novak+Carlitos+Juan Carlos= less RG than Rafa 🤯

[@SHVideografie]

​@@scara19 And Roger + me = 1 more Wimbledon title than Novak

[@scara19]

@@SHVideografie Me + you = same GS as Kyrgios

[@tsn-0]

Can we talk about the shirt that the event had sinner wear at the trophy ceremony 😭

[@HeavyTopspin]

I'm gonna guess that was Nike and not the event; he had an interesting Nike shirt with a fox wearing a hat with his name on it earlier in the week.

[@francescojsb]

It's a special Nike edition for Sinner

[@FullOnK1]

Sinner has it all. He can beat most players in multiple ways. He has also done this with all the doping stuff happening! How could he do that? This is why the appeal that is coming up has historical implications (in multiple ways) on the game. They owe the player and the sporting world to handle this quickly (one way or the other).

[@ostrogodo]

The FH on the run is his signature. Comes with a signature sound as well

[@dboystipsandtricks408]

Novak brought only charlie as support for Shanghai. Tells you everything about how casual he was about that tournament. I think he was pleasantly surprised to find himself in the finals and just decided to make the most of it.

[@clementoghosa9839]

Nope he was not happy he lost, he was trying to rely on a cheap code like taken care of his own serve and having both Sinner and Alcaraz having a mental break down.

[@Jalleur14325]

I felt there was a massive contrast in his determination. The Olympics he was willing to die for every point.

[@stevelily1763]

​​@@clementoghosa9839 Nothing 'cheap' about Novak and His Efforts! And Exactly the Same as Every other professional Player!

[@Videolistener]

You should have your sponsors’ links in the description

[@GillGross]

It's there! You were just a bit too early

[@michael8597]

Gill - You are spot on. What proved decisive in this match was the dismal quality of service return by Novak generally hailed as the Greatest returner of all time. His movement was greatly compromised before the match due to physical issues. He had a medical time out even during his match with Fritz. He couldn't stretch as he normally used to do while reading and returning serve. His reaction was poor. Yet he fought well in the first set and it was a poor volley which let him down badly in tie break at 3-5. He stood toe to toe with Sinner and was dictating 9 plus rallies.

[@cleorobyn]

He’s getting old. What do you expect?

[@ChukwunonsoNnamani-i3i]

I think some tournaments usually charter out Private Jets for the finalists to their next destination. Canada did same for Poppyrin and A Rublev after their final earlier in the year.

[@Jkho-bb8kh]

Wild title for a video 😳

[@vivahernando1]

Pause

[@jamesevans2507]

touch grass

[@casicoartes]

Lmao you guys just have the dirtiest minds

[@berlusmafia]

He will soon win a grand Slam🎉🎉

[@joyrichards1419]

Who?

[@joannemoore3976]

At this point it's like they are on tour together 😂😂

[@colinbatchelder6742]

I love your dumps Gill.

[@zetristan4525]

💩💩

[@casicoartes]

💩💩💩

[@JudithCampbell-e7i]

Hi Gill, it's the case that the Beijing tournament charters the plane to get the winner and runner-up to Shanghai, so that was why Alcaraz and Sinner traveled together - just the luck of the draw. Similarly, Alcaraz was due to leave Shanghai Saturday but the plane had permit issues, so he and JCF couldn't travel. Nice though that Carlitos was able to spend that downtime with RF! (Info from Marca, Spanish sports medium)

[@joshuaciappara8872]

I think Sinner’s favourite or signature shot might be the drive forehand volley.

[@naomihayden5749]

I think Djokovic would rather play Alcaraz than Sinner. Right now and going into the new year, Sinner is the greatest player in the world 🌎🌎🌎

[@HeavyTopspin]

I think everybody would rather play Alcaraz, especially players outside the top 12 since Jannik hasn't lost to one of those since Cincinnati 2023.

[@krishnaramachandran7722]

​@HeavyTopspin Certainly not Jannik as he's 0-3 against Carlos this year. He would rather face someone else. I do feel Jannik is better on the faster hard courts and indoor courts. If Carlos improves his serves further as it looks likely based on progress since the clay season, he will close this gap as well. The only thing I don't like about these extremely fast surfaces is that there are fewer serve breaks and way more tie-breaks than normal. Serves shouldn't play that big a role in deciding the match😢

[@mt817]

Everyone can play Alcaraz . There is nothing spectacular about him

[@darrenjohn8524]

​@@krishnaramachandran7722You have clay court events and slow hard court events when Alcalraz has an edge over Sinner. Stop whining over the fact that the serve becomes more important in fast hard courts and Grass 🤣.

[@tritone11]

Yet Alcaraz would rather play Sinner than Djokovic. Compute that.

[@footpatrol69]

No one talks about Sinner now working with Djokovic's prior physio and trainer. These guys know all the ins and outs of Djokovic's routines, tendencies, strengths and weaknesses, etc. That is a huge advantage for Sinner

[@alburaq3290]

Djokovic should've kept them on a retainer then or put a non compete clause.

[@billiey36]

And Djokovic hired Sinner's old physio which Sinner joked about during his speech. So I guess it all evens out. Besides, anybody can hire anybody they want. You don't have to retire after you've worked with one person.

[@vvolfy11]

@@alburaq3290 I would say Djokovic is just enjoying the tour now, not thinking about retainers and long term plans for his tennis career. When you won it all, how do you even keep going against the young guns? Maybe he just hates being home lmao

[@margaritamuller2497]

Well he beat him l'ing time ago, so well haven't change so much I think, and Djokovic Is with a former Jannik fisio

[@jeevanpb3479]

This is why you are stupid.djojer old physio was succeded in his work.24 slams and longevity is hallmark of his effort and commitment.while i dont know who sinner old physio but does that guy help jannik in achieving much glory is solidify a legacy.jannik upto now has won only 2 slams.he aint beat a big guy upto 2023.to say janik old physio to be with djoker you need to establish a level since djoker has 24 slams .one more fact nole is 38 years old.so that change literally meant nothing​@@billiey36

[@joyrichards1419]

Reading through these, I often wonder whether some of the commentators have even watched and listened to your analysis.

[@seguso]

Sinner was average _except_ in the important points. That's what's really scary about him.

[@Filip-dg6uk]

Dont understand why Novak doesnt bring Vajda back or Ivanisevic or Boris Becker even? He really needs a main coach in his box. Seriously. If there wasnt for injury he would have had at least 1 more grand slam this year. Result was not that good either. He needs more backup. He has couple more seasons in him for good chance for at least 1/4 (enough) or even 2/4 next season if improve.

[@zetristan4525]

Would love to see Vajda back with him for the final years!

[@DaveOwen-vn6ie]

Delusional as always! So by your reasoning, if Nadal wasn't injured in 2023 then he would have 15 Roland Garros! Is that correct?

[@alburaq3290]

​@@DaveOwen-vn6ieObviously, healthy Nadal is always the pick for Roland Garros.

[@alburaq3290]

Djokovic has lost motivation. It happens when you achieve a big goal. It's different for different players like Thiem lost motivation after winning his first Slam. Federer lost the fire after overtaking Sampras's record of 14 Slams and became all time Slam record holder with 16 Slams. Djokovic has overtaken Nadal and its impossible for Rafa to compete now so it's natural. Djokovic also suffered loss of motivation after winning RG 16 and completing career Grand Slam and winning 4 straight Slams. If Nadal was healthy and a threat to Djokovic Slam count then he would've been a lot more serious.

[@DaveOwen-vn6ie]

@@alburaq3290 Agree regarding motivation, Djokovic has achieved and won everything so where does the motivation come from now and how much longer does he sacrifice not spending quality time with his family in order to keep training and travelling the world? I disagree with your Federer comment however! If he lacked motivation after passing Sampras then how do you explain him going on to win another 5 majors and compete for more into his late 30's

[@ArunD-24]

Hi, do you think Djokovic will be able to challenge Sinner and Carlos in near future, i know chances are less likely but as his fan all these years its bit difficult to take these losses which btw eventually would have happened. Hope to see him one more 😊

[@usermatisse]

Sinner who not even conceding a single 40 to Djokovic 😅 it's insane... And Djokovic had the best level of the year, after the Olympics. The kind is dead, hail to the new king. Sinner is the best player on the planet

[@stevelily1763]

Not Quite! The KING👑NOVAK very much GOING GOOD!

[@VH07654]

It felt a bit all incestuous. Federer, JCF, Carlos, Sinner’s coaches all sitting so closely together. I like that players and coaches get to watch their peers playing and it does add gravitas to the match; but surely it shouldn’t be in the same box as the coach! This is like getting inside information on your competitor

[@nikhils2381]

Yep. It's not the first time Carlitos has gained inside information. His dad closely monitored Novak's practice session at Wimbledon last year and Carlitos just brushed it off saying that his dad is a huge fan of Novak. Wonder what Gill thinks of this.

[@giannifois418]

Anch'io ho avuto questo dubbio

[@EsDiDi]

What stood out for me when it comes to Federer and Alcaras was that they couldn't stop talking! They were two Chatty Cathys the whole way through, not closing their mouth for a second :))) They could have been anywhere else, I am not sure they were even watching. They looked like they had a good time anyway!

[@BikiG1]

That was so disrespectful. That swiss diva talked all the time.

[@casafretyna4102]

As a Sinner fan, the only attribute Carlos has over him is the clutch gene when playing against each other.

[@hitthurdeaux]

Carlos is clearly athletically superior, is more creative with a wider variety of shots, and has better hands at the net

[@casafretyna4102]

@@hitthurdeaux definitely not athletically superior

[@GGsItsOver]

Do you know why Novak is still wearing the knee thing?

[@jamaalclarke2380]

I'm not sure about age as the variable that for me would explain Novak's return issues. The explanation that makes the most sense to me is lack of matches. He returned great at the Olympics and at Wimbledon.

[@joyrichards1419]

Olympic Gold was his sole aim. He gave it everything. Nothing else really matters. He'll keep playing just like Rafa because they love it and because it's really hard to stop. Wawrinka ... Monfils ... Gasquet ...

[@momoshiro214]

you said djokovic may have wanted to surprise sinner. not surprising, when you think about it. nole's former team members are now with sinner, there's that.

[@pappisto]

Sinner more Djokovic than Novak is

[@Jalleur14325]

😂 well sinner has said they have similar games.

[@guest904]

Man, Djokovic is almost 38 years old, stop pretending as if he is still in his prime, of course this time would come and he will start get beaten by players such as Sinner and Alcaraz. But we are talking about 15 years difference in age here 😂

[@SamarthRawat]

Novak would have finished far lower in GS tally had a decent generation of tennis players arrived before. Novak really had 6-7 years of tennis with no major rival as Roger And rafa were injured most of the time.

[@guest904]

@@SamarthRawat the guy dominated 2 generations and is going toe to toe with a third one, even at 37 yeara old. Of course when nothing else can be brought to the table, we start finding excuses. He is for sure the best ever to play this sport, as that what are the stats are saying. Greatest is a matter of preferal choice of course.

[@guest904]

@@SamarthRawat if if if, yet he dominated 3 generations and won slams across all 3. When records, stats l, h2h are clear, haters are gonna pick in smth else lol

[@VK-im2nb]

Djokovic preserving his fitness only for big titles. Tour Finals and Grand Slams are his only target.

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

Given his age, I am surprised that Novak can still reach the finals and face a no. 1 seed in his prime. Aging happens to all great athletes. It is what it is. I wonder how Alcaraz and Sinner will fare at age 37. At this stage in his life, I no longer expect much from Novak. He is on his way out and will retire eventually. It is no longer his era but he will remain a great tennis player except for his haters LOL.

[@boby4v2]

Sinner is not in his prime

[@DaveOwen-vn6ie]

Federer was 1 month shy of his 38th birthday when he reached the 2019 Wimbledon final and the GOAT needed 5 long sets to beat him! So let's not pretend that Djokovic is unique at his age in getting to Big finals!

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

@@DaveOwen-vn6ie Ok, fine. Why are you so triggered by what I said? I am not even a Novak extreme fanboy but just a casual watcher of tennis. I also like Federer and Nadal. I respect all tennis greats, past and present, and not obsessed with the so-called big 3 and extreme toxicity of each fandom. Who's pretending? I just mentioned Novak since the video is about Novak's latest final. You are as toxic as those extreme Novak fans just because I did not mention Federer. Those fans also insert Novak's name even though the video or the topic is not about their idol.

[@whatevergoesforme5129]

@@boby4v2 Hmm, really? Okay fine. It looks to me like this is the beginning of his prime. It has to start somewhere. My comment is more how the new greats like Sinner and Alcaraz will fare when they become old like Novak. People are seeing Novak in his declining years which will happen to all tennis greats. Look at Nadal's recent retirement.

[@boby4v2]

@@whatevergoesforme5129 ok

[@kingoftennis94]

Poor sinner, mods have the ban hammer over his head

[@charlesfaure1189]

Did Sinner top Djokovic before the match, or after?

[@BLACKMARKETITALY]

LET ME CLARIFY THE SINNER CASE AT THIS POINT:::::::::::::: I will start by saying that Wada is appealing to the only possible argument: that Sinner, who was unintentionally infected and therefore acquitted by both courts, is guilty of negligence, i.e. that he did not do everything possible to prevent the contagion. Since, as Roddik also stated, no physiotherapist massages an athlete with gloves, because it is essential to palpate the muscle to be treated with bare hands, Jannik must prove that he was completely unaware that the physiotherapist had used an ointment containing clostebol and that due to the wounds on his foot, the substance had come into contact with his blood. It seems quite clear that we are talking about legal objections that WADA uses to gain some ADV and not to save sports ethics, but anyway let's move on to the important thing: If you have noticed, now almost all tennis players have taken Sinner's side because something very dangerous has been understood: if Sinner were convicted, it would become a precedent for all athletes infected like him involuntarily because it may be necessary to prove that everything possible was done to avoid contagion and the lack of negligence without having objective parameters to judge each case. I will give a couple of extreme examples to understand: an athlete who kisses a girl who has taken drugs (case that happened to a Canadian athlete tested positive and acquitted). Should the athlete have understood that the woman was a possible danger because she was obviously too euphoric? Palomino, an Argentine football player tested positive because he supplied to the dog a medicine containing a doping substance that involuntarily came into contact with its skin. Should he have called any other to give him the injection? There are many other borderline cases like these, and this is to make it clear that everything would become much more complicated to judge and also in the management of the daily life of a professional athlete, because involuntary action would no longer constitute an attenuating factor and for this reason it is not in the interest of any athlete that Sinner be suspended.

[@joannemoore3976]

Thank you. A lot of food for thought here. Of course we don't know exactly what WADA will base their appeal on but this could be a really important ruling from CAS for all players. Exactly what level of precaution is it possible and reasonable for a player to take? I suppose we will have to wait for the outcome. But yes, the brighter players will be beginning to grasp the implications.

[@BLACKMARKETITALY]

@@joannemoore3976 sure, wada didn't know at all what to appeal to and they used the only possible way that is difficult to prove: sinner for wada did not do everything possible to avoid contagion. This is what their accusation is based on and now Sinner will have to prove the opposite. But at this point my biggest reflection is: Wada as other organizations that administer doping rules serve primarily to ensure fairness in sport for all and safeguard its ethics. My reflection is that the Sinner case absolutely does not violate these rules and this is the most important thing. Anything else is just bureaucracy and politics which has nothing to do with the primary role of these organizations.

[@joannemoore3976]

@@BLACKMARKETITALY apparently this is the first time WADA has appealed an ITIA decision.. I can't help thinking it's due to all the noise and (unfair) claims of preferential treatment. Or they are trying to set a precedent. The problem is you could argue almost anything 'could' have been done. In theory, Jannik could have routinely searched his team members' belongings. But which players and their teams would be comfortable with that. I am hoping balance and reason win the day.

[@BLACKMARKETITALY]

@@joannemoore3976 You are right, the normal routine of an athlete and his entourage would become a living hell. It seems that Wada needs to clear its conscience because it has recently been heavily criticized for being too lax with some Chinese swimmers found positive for doping and left free to compete.

[@RaviKumar-tu6ls]

@@joannemoore3976 Jannik had asked his physio about the wound so there is a good chance negligence is hard to prove in this case . If at all they invoke a strict ban maybe 2 months ban nothing more than that, that too after ao .

[@sanjaybabar6072]

Novak played second semifinal and that gave him less time to recover his body considering his age. That could also affected his agility

[@Cats2Fat]

it's really just age. slower reaction, slower foot speed, less stamina, etc.

[@jasoncastor9648]

Sinner is unstopable

[@TendoASMR]

Woooooo

[@annalax375]

It sounds like Sinner is Novak-trained AI

[@brunoivanisevic51]

Sinner barely broke Novak once in this match

[@leominerva3494]

It's enough 😎

[@jurgenk5582]

Good Analysis, Now address the doping.

[@jimmyfox]

His body just cannot hold anymore

[@miomirserbinson8660]

In the longer rallies Djokovic was better than Sinner in the first set. And Sinner also had only those two breakpoints in the second.

[@mikefisher474]

This court was lightning fast. Sinner had 1 break chance, which was due to Novak missing first serves. Both were serving at a super high level. Novak's performance vs. AO was way better. Sinner definitely played above his 'average' level. Novak definitely not in the same physical or mental shape as normal. He played 2 matches since the Olympics before this tournament. And he's 37 and not prime any longer. What cost him the most was missing volleys. Same as USO 21, Wimby 24 and other examples. And lets not forget that he had knee surgery months ago. He isn't going to win like he used to. Still clearly the 3rd best player in the world and when he really wants it like the Olympics can dial it up a notch.

[@sbvish2000]

Sinner got Djokovic number and Alcaraz got Sinners number. Tennis is weird so 😅

[@gerlindemayer9645]

Its the age. All other than a Sinner win would have been very strange.

[@merlicocaio]

What about the Olympics, then?

[@gerlindemayer9645]

@@merlicocaio very close and he wanted it really, the only difficult Match was against Alcaraz. And I suggest the olympic games should be best of 5, really

[@akashgooner4892]

Maybe his hip injury and it’s just a masters 1000 had something to do with it..I just hope he has come from the final unscathed…

[@joshheinink]

If djokovic says hes not bothered i think he is

[@ProbablyLying]

Djokovic is always playing mind games

[@stevenbill5651]

He's dead n shattered inside, record chaser is falling flat on his face

[@Holyspace305]

@@ProbablyLyingif it’s nadal or federer who say that u all believe them without hesitation 😂😂

[@Holyspace305]

@@stevenbill5651dead and shattered with most slams

[@asud2571]

​@@stevenbill5651he's no longer a "record chaser" he's got em all now

[@Tuzzz94]

I like the stubble, Gill! Would love to see you with a full beard 😁

[@Jalleur14325]

Noooooo

[@brooklineg7727]

If we roll back the video to Australia and to that tiebreak, we see that Sinner is not hitting amazing passing shots. many are in right in the standard forehand backhand volley zone, not even body shots - Novak is just dumping these basic volleys. Of course, the sinner ball is hard and has a lot of spin and is probably difficult to control; but objectively, those are not difficult volleys. If Novak can clean up those volleys, he can change the dynamics of this rivalry.

[@leominerva3494]

In pensione sarà difficile 😎

[@danbotez1307]

Great analysis, as usual, Gil ! IMHO with two young kryptonite players (i.e., Sinner and Alcaraz) Djokovic may not be able to win any more Slams.

[@blackkitty9054]

Novak defeated Alcaraz at the Olympics

[@GlenysT48]

Yes, but best of three not five ​@@blackkitty9054

[@danbotez1307]

@@blackkitty9054 I specifically talked about Slams, not about a minor tournament that gives no ranking points, and not all top players enter (Sinner didn't).

[@blackkitty9054]

@@danbotez1307 Sinner didn't enter, for obvious reasons, and he was the only top missing it. I wouldn't call the Olympics a minor t.ournament.

[@luca7329]

I’d say it’s a minor tournament (pointswise) with a major prize (the medals, especially the gold one ofc)

[@FullOnK1]

I think it is about time to start talking about the fact that Novak is going down hill. It might only be a tiny bit but every day he is diminishing physically. The guys he is squaring off against are improving and gaining in every way each day. They are very close in overall level but right now the curve is starting to move up for the young guys and trend down for Novak. We always like to think that it's a slow process. We want to deny the reality and hold on to the "forever" of the greats in sport. They truth is it always seems to feel real fast. Nadal had 6-7 months of insane greatness that made us forget everything that was real and then poof, he blew up and was gone. Novak will be gone sooner than anyone wants to see. I predict it will be much sooner. He does not want to go out losing to these guys in the finals. If he can not win the Aussie '25 he is going to call it a day. Everyone will say, "you're crazy. He could win slams next year!". Yeah, he can. Nadal could have recovered from the hip and upper body issues too but he didn't. Something he was always courageously able to do but in the end time caught him. What most people don't think about is that losing is an "injury". It is an injury against your own standard. Novak has owned this generation when they entered their careers. They haven't caught and surpassed the greatest. They have surpassed the greatest now that he is finally almost THIRTY EIGHT. The movie isn't going to get better from this point on. He has and I predict will take the chance to leave while he is "still on top" of the game. Yeah I'm a Nadal fan hahahahaha Serious, Novak gets all the credit in the world. He is still very close to the best. Maybe only 1 or 2 of them can take the court with him and not be afraid. I don't see how he has done it. He has a big fire for sure. I just see it as one that is going to go out soon. He deserves any and all accolades he gets and some. I still like Nadal better haha

[@giovannidepetris6335]

No sinner was better stronger more precise not just Nile tired. Why can t we say it?

[@nikolakostic1310]

Djokovic said himself at the speech ceremony, that Sinner was better, faster and stronger.

[@magnoliagrace8115]

Hi Gill, I appreciate your content immensely but I have to say, seeing you promote betting websites, something that can cause addiction and trouble many people's lives and families, is a bit of a letdown. Also, vaping devices? You could do better. Just my opinion, respecfully

[@GillGross]

I can address this further at a later date because I value this input but if I may just say I don’t think you’re understanding what Fum is or what it’s for. If you watch the ad again you should be able to figure it out. (It’s not a vape)

[@magnoliagrace8115]

Thank you for your reply Gill. Trust me I got what it is, I understand there are not psychoactive substances in it, but nonetheless it reinforces a gesture that is connected to an addiction habit, even though some may find it useful to help them quit that habit. Also, people who has never vaped might pick this one up and maybe more easily transition to or try other vaping devices. Anyway, my comment was more focused onthe betting promotion, that's the most problematic one, in my opinion. I am sure you are well intentioned and I understand that you might need to support the channel with the means that you choose to use.

[@apathylovescompany]

Need to know what Roger and Carlos were chatting about. There were laughs, serious discussions, dramatic hand movements, etc. It also appeared they had a practice session sometime during the day. Would be awesome if Roger could be a consultant on the Carlos team.

[@choide19]

would almost feel unfair lol. as a sinner fan, i sure as hell would be scared to see what federer and jcf could cook up for a player with alcaraz’s skills

[@francescojsb]

They were probably talking about the money Rolex gave them to stay in China together

[@VH07654]

I bet roger will make a surprise appearance in Saudi Arabia. Think they are all flying together to KSA

[@Jalleur14325]

​@@francescojsbcomparing notes on private jets?

[@TheTelectonon]

😂😂😂 guys Sinner should be out of tennis because of doping experiments( like Nadal all the time but protected from same source of evil power) for the sake of justice but.... who is pushing him and why? I know, but do you? If you dont know this answer you dont know what is behind the scene of this sport in global life arena. Are you catched in evil trap?

[@michaelalexander299]

If Sinner starts winning everything, prepare for a long nap. Better hope that Alcaraz can stay in the picture.

[@rupertpupkin9630]

Alcaraz will do much more than stay in the picture. At 21 he's already phenomenal. Sinner was struggling to stay in the top 10 at 21. Carlos can be a monster on all surfaces, can't say the same right now for Jannik.

[@ProbablyLying]

I like watching Jannik smack players off the court

[@dungtruong4036]

@@rupertpupkin9630Alcaraz is Mr. Inconsistent

[@blackkitty9054]

Alcaraz is too up and down, he will appear brightly once or twice a year, then disappear.

[@blackkitty9054]

​@rupertpupkin9630 Carlos is too emotional, he is his own worst enemy. Unfortunately, looks like his team is not addressing the issues, there is much more than the physical side to the sport.

[@gurvijaygill328]

Gill needs to catch up on sleep!

[@pierotomasello1771]

Jannik average ????!!!!

[@matmax6834]

Si, tranne quando contava davvero. E poi parlano dei picchi degli altri giocatori...

[@patrickterry120]

Is he just trolling or did he lose a bet?

[@charlie7531]

Gill I’m a fan but pretty sure bet us is a scam if pretty much

[@davidngo6526]

The fact is he failed doping test twice

[@stevelily1763]

That's ALL just CONDONING Horrible Behaviour, from Sinner and his ex (previous) team members!!! SINNER has Been Treated PREFERENTIALLY and FAVOURABLY - While Everyone Else Has to Adhere to the Strict and Harsh Rules about Doping Violations!!! RULES are BENT to FIT SINNER...and no matter how Unprofessionally or DISGRACEFULLY SINNER and His Previous TEAM MEMBERS BEHAVED!! - It was All EXCUSED BY ITIA!!! The Sheer BRAZENNESS... of Their IRRESPONSIBLE BEHAVIOUR - which CAUSED the PUBLIC OUTRAGE!!! - Is the REASON Why WADA has DONE the Bare MINIMUM... to Ameliorate and REPAIR the Public FAITH in the DOPING CONTROL - Which the SINNER PREFERENTIAL ITIA TREATMENT... - has Seriously ERODED!!!

[@michaelsilberg9059]

Sinner's massive strength and endurance gains over a relatively short period of time are totally normal. Nothing suspicious.

[@billiey36]

Except it isn't over a relatively short period of time and aren't massive. They have been gradual as Sinner has grown up and gained experience as everybody who's been following him for awhile knows. But keep writing your fan fiction if it amuses you.

[@michaelsilberg9059]

@@billiey36 Suddenly at Indian Wells he had WAY more strength and endurance. You want to pretend it's just natural, that's fine. He's a likeable guy. It's hard to think of someone so likeable cheating. I understand.

[@billiey36]

@@michaelsilberg9059 No, he didn't. You're not familiar with him at all. And besides that, he lost at Indian Wells. He's winning all the time lately with no failed tests. Let's see if you can figure that one out. You sure like to make assumptions, including what people you have never met are thinking. You're full of opinions, not knowledge. You're a waste of time.

[@daviderossi6045]

​@@michaelsilberg9059 for 0.000000001 of a cream? You are ridiculous (And to be exact twice positive beacuse the second is an additional test, the same days then)

[@michaelsilberg9059]

@@daviderossi6045 Are you a scientist? Do you understand how drug screens work? There is a specific threshold that is determined to indicate that a significant level of substance has been in the system. It's a yes/no test. Do you really think a drug screen would be developed and implemented that gives effectively false positives? The second test was to confirm the results. For anyone with a scientific background, the massage cream story is completely ridiculous.

[@ozkaar5287]

When you're old (tennis wise), you regress and decline. Djokovic is lucky to have a physically damaged Nadal as main competitor for the last two years. Corollary speaking Djokovic is still better than the NexGen. No wonder only Medvedev and Thiem managed to steal one slam from the Big 3. Today's young guns make them look old. NexGen seems to be going to pasture at the age of late 20s. 2025 will probably be Djokovic's last year on the tour. No sense playing to win ATP 500s at his stature.

[@danielportelli8214]

Nadal hasn't been the main competitor on hard and grass courts for years, probably not even a top 4 contender

[@BikiG1]

That Clostebol boy shouldn't be allowed to play...

[@stefaniasassi433]

You don't understand anything about the whole situation,find out more

[@Maddsine]

Hi Gill, how would you explain that big increase in performance on all levels from Sinner, over the course of a year? and coincidentally the very year he tested positive twice for a steroid? Life surely works in mysterioud ways, doesnt it!

[@matmax6834]

L'aumento di prestazioni di Sinner c'era stato anche nel 2023, semifinali Mater 1000 a ripetizione, prima semifinale slam, finale alle ATP Finals. Nessuna positività nel 2023, la vita funziona misteriosamente, vero?

[@celestialspartan7977]

Sinner is consistent but Alcaraz is a better 5 set player...he will end up with more slams and wins over Sinner...mark it

[@makeitlucid]

He shouldn’t even be playing!