Rye toast did an amazing video on the fnaf timeline, I know I will seem a little nitpicky in this but that's only because there's so much to dissect and discuss with this one. Ryetroast's Channel: / @ryetoast
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@RyeToast Жыл бұрын
Hey man, thanks for the react I'm honored! I was on the fence about the logbook, and it's super useful, but ultimately I decided against it. I'd rather the timeline be inaccurate as a showcase to how the books are necessary to the timeline than cheat in a book, you know? Oh man I never even noticed the Mike sprite 🤣 Maybe he got especially tanned that summer lol. I should've substantiated the drinking comment in the video too, i got that from the driving we see during the midnight motorist minigame, if you assume JRs is a bar he could have been kicked out for having too much, and his posture and dialogue in MM seem very intoxicated. I could see the couch person seeing Henry, but I agree whoever it is it ISN'T Michael. Especially if William is drunk and angry, you don't talk to your drunk angry father like that for your own safety. The critique of That Place being the bunker is totally fair, it's hard to say for certain, i should've just given various options. I personally feel that FNAF 2 shows us two different sets of dead children from Foxy Go Go Go and Save Them, and that's actually really interesting with trying to recreate Charlotte's possession with the MCI. Yeah I said Henry out of force of habit lol. The interpretation of someone using the yellow suit is totally valid, it could go either way but in retrospect I think I like your idea better. You know you totally got me on remnant, malleable is the only term used lol my bad. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THE FACT THAT BABY THOUGHT MICHAEL WAS WILLIAM IN SISTER LOCATION!! (That's a great point). That paycheck is actually really funny. To be honest most renders i use are from the wiki so it might not be. I'll have to look into it. You raise a good point on UCN. I think I saw the narratively satisfying conclusion with Michael, and it sort of lead my bias away from the fifth child. That's my bad I'm about halfway through the Fazbear frights books, they're a lot lol. And thank you so much again!
@gangong1 Жыл бұрын
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@shadowsoulless6227 Жыл бұрын
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@Tim_Belay Жыл бұрын
Logbook not being used cause it's not a game even if it's in game canon, when source code and teasers are used doesn't make much sense to me. Gotta title it as purposely not so accurate timeline then, but even still, why teasers are involved if they aren't games, it's neither here or there that way
@TheGloopOfMobius Жыл бұрын
I think Purple guy becomes orange due to kidney failure after he begins to drinky
@duck962008 ай бұрын
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@deve6436 ай бұрын
DRINKY!??!?!?!?!
@vanyadolly5 ай бұрын
Honestly the best explanation I've heard for him suddenly being orange.
@ystacalden Жыл бұрын
I think the "William begins to drink" is based on combining the gameplay of Midnight motorist with the "Later that night" 8-bit cutscene - If Orange Guy is William, and Orange Guy was weaving all over the road into oncoming traffic, DUI is the most likely explanation for why he'd do that.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
That’s a neat little observation
@Williamwillow_ Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks It's also why he is so belligerent when he gets home. His dialog comes across as a drunk abusive father
@Takejiro24 Жыл бұрын
Isn't it all but outright stated that Orange Guy is William?
@commandobrando618 Жыл бұрын
Also he is driving extremely fast if we consider the name of the Arcade game Midnight Motorists (and the speed)
@TheGloopOfMobius Жыл бұрын
I’m picturing the scene from “the Batman” when penguin is speeding through a highway when it’s raining
@jennatavares4695 Жыл бұрын
In regards to what the spring locks suits do to you, I suspect it's BOTH both skewering AND crushing.
@wlfrndz874311 ай бұрын
I've always assumed it was displacement. Like the retractable endo is basically the skeleton of the animatronic, so when a human enters it in suit mode, they take the place of the skeleton. So I've always thought that a spring lock failure would be like having the endoskeleton just pushed through your flesh, crushing your human skeleton and replacing it with the endonskeleton
@strikeiksp662911 ай бұрын
@@wlfrndz8743yeah that's about correct, but the books also say that the locks themselves cut into you
@LiMe2518 ай бұрын
@@strikeiksp6629Weird because IRL springlocks are pretty blunt.
@InfalliblePizza Жыл бұрын
Squawks: discussing the murder of children Music in the back: 💃🕺
@thebreadbunny1863 Жыл бұрын
Its funny how we got a very detailed description of a springlock failure very recently
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I do consider The Tales version to be the closest thing we get to a detailed look at one unless we get an ingame springlock scene, though it's way slower than the one William goes through which is interesting.
@DragonSkies0211 Жыл бұрын
While the sprite shenanigans with the couch person have big implications in the story with who the person is (I agree with you that it may be a Mrs. Afton or Henry), no one talks about how the Freddy bully in fnaf4 has no white pupils in their mask. No one talking about it makes me feel like a crazed fnaf theorist.
@flintstonesgummies1662 Жыл бұрын
What do you think it means? I'm curious to see how you interpret it.
@DragonSkies0211 Жыл бұрын
@@flintstonesgummies1662 The logical answer is to say it parallels the animatronic standees in fnaf3 since Freddy doesn’t have lit eyes there too (that could lend to dream theory) or to write it off as an error. I think it would be a fun narrative to say that the Freddy mask kid doesn’t know BV beyond the kiddo being scared of the robos, so the lack of pupils could say he doesn’t have any remorse beyond the surface level of “I just aided in murder”. That last bit was grasping at straws and headcannon-y because we never see the bullies in the games again, wait- seeing the bullies’ relationships strain after the incident and potentially living with the guilt like Mike had would also be a fun story. Why do we have fazgoo and NOT the various one-note or side characters living with how Fazbear entertainment turned their lives upside down?!
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Fnaf 1 Freddy does have white little dots in his eyes when his main eyes are missing. And it’s not confirmed yet if the other bullies are part of the MCI. Neat little head cannon though.
@DragonSkies0211 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks I wasn’t really saying the bully is an MCI, I just thought it might be another dream theory thing like the spring trap plush and toy action figures, but thank you for catching that!
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
@@DragonSkies0211 my bad misread the comment
@NutronicAtomic Жыл бұрын
Please do a power scaling theory video lol. Seriously curious what the hierarchy of power in FNAF is and what threat William genuinely poses compared to everyone else.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Maybe as a parody episode like Funtime Foxy is phone guy.
@NutronicAtomic Жыл бұрын
Oh that sounds fun!
@etam8099 Жыл бұрын
Solos fiction loool
@nadie887 Жыл бұрын
The top 5 would have to be like: 5. The Mangle 4. Scrap Baby 3. Molten Freddy 2. Ennard 1. The blob (AKA the amalgamation) pretty much anyone with multiple limbs and/or funtime wires design The thing with mangle, is that he probably wouldn't be able to beat the other funtimes, but they probably wouldn't be able to beat her either. Fun fact: the ultimate guide says that scrap baby's claw is actually baby's original claw that she used to kill Elizabeth, so she kept it up to fnaf 6, which means Ennard also has it.
@NutronicAtomic Жыл бұрын
@@nadie887 I think there is a case to be made for Afton... If not as Springtrap then pre-springtrap. At least over mangle. Namely cause he was able to 1-shot Freddy and the gang in fanf 3. Also, he's proven to be quite resilient. Maybe more so than others.
@rikuaotsuki6353 Жыл бұрын
So a springlock suit, in suit mode, still contains the entirety of the animatronic endoskeleton. It's just held back against the interior side of the fur with springlocks. To extrapolate, it's safe to assume that springlocks are under high tension. That's why they're so sensitive; they're probably a glorified latch that isn't actually rated for the amount of tension they're under, but weaker springs wouldn't be strong enough to make the pieces of the endoskeleton reengage with each other. And that's sort've the kicker. For the springlock suit to be what it is, the endoskeleton needs to be partially disassembled, or there'd never be space for a person inside. The springlocks failing means the endoskeleton is fully reassembled with you IN THE WAY. I'm not sure what the best descriptor for that kind of death would be, but "crushed" is probably a good one.
@Max_The_Flower Жыл бұрын
honestly now i want a similar reaction video from you about the ooftroop's Undeniably Canon FNAF Timeline, where you pick apart the details of the timeline like you did in this one.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I’ll consider it. That would more be a dissection if the jokes and what gags he’s making though.
@-mary-535511 ай бұрын
9:20 FINALLY, oh my gosh. I’ve been waiting forever for literally anyone to mention that it can’t have been springlock failure (at least how we know it to be) because it was in animatronic mode, so the spring locks would’ve been closed/safe anyways.
@jacobi-vision324912 күн бұрын
Shi I’ve been seeing yall say that since damn near fnaf 4
@femursTibula Жыл бұрын
If you're still in the mood for reaction videos, Windigoon made a great video about the timeline. It is a long watch though
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I’ll think about it. My voice is pretty sore right now though.
@nadie887 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks the ooftroop also made one lol
@Corvus7 Жыл бұрын
I like your content so much. Happy to see sensible assumptions that make sence unlike some of mainstream theories. Great work, thank you.
@Hot_SpicyGrill Жыл бұрын
Michael could have deferent skin colors because he gets a lot exercise. This would play into the jock archetype. That would also explain why he's also tank top. As there famously good for working out working out. Just thought that was neat theory.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Damn he worked out a lot between day 3 and day 5.
@Hot_SpicyGrill Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks I could just have a lot melanin! But that's just one or two walks outside. 😂
@spaghettiiwithjuice98266 ай бұрын
always thought he just had a tan at some point lol.
@Hot_SpicyGrill6 ай бұрын
@@spaghettiiwithjuice9826 Wearing a tank top helps with that. Especially if you wear them in public.
@NotFeikNeim Жыл бұрын
I think the JR's thing is due to phone guy telling the fnaf 1 security guard (i think?) that old employees are still wondering around the place the incident happened, and have to be sent away. When Will gets turned away at JR's, it's believed that scene represents this scene, of William wanting to return to the place of the 1st incident, now revamped to JRs
@derekmartin5340 Жыл бұрын
35:10 I think you can easily make this argument. We can physically see the endoskeletons disappear when William touches the player, and we know this isn't just the minigames being artistic because its the whole premise of FNAF3; Phone Dude couldn't find any real animatronics. Somebody, whether that's William before he died or someone else, has to have taken the robots. The fact that HRY223 calls out this event in particular, to me, makes this 100% the intended story. FNAF2 was just another event
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I don't really agree but I see your point.
@derekmartin5340 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks Fair enough
@Hot_SpicyGrill Жыл бұрын
12:55 Its a cool explanation but its very common for restaurant owner to live far way, because of crooks following them back home. Fnaf takes place back when people had kept money in there house.
@blobbydubs Жыл бұрын
Honestly I like to think that Michael was somewhat tanned for being outside too much with his friends, unlike the rest of his family. That's why in that moment he had a darker/more orange skin tone It's just a small idea to make sense for a weird thing, I don't consider it a fact
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
There are cool ways to spin it, but I rarely see people acknowledge that only that sprite in Fnaf 4 has that skin tone. The other jumpscare ones aren’t. But it’s more fun to have a head cannon.
@blobbydubs Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks Well, we've seen how much Purple Guy's 8bit design changes in both colour and shape throughout the games. Scott doesn't copypaste the colours of his sprites and that's kinda obvious, he just puts on a similar colour and calls it a day. Maybe that's what happened with Mike's sprite, Scott just forgot the colour and put that one instead of copying the original.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
@@blobbydubs Most likely.
@elael7366 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks I think he got a spray tan for his brother's birthday party and then realised he looked silly and never did it again
@michaelmyers3507 Жыл бұрын
That first recording failing is a blessing imo even tho it sucks. Id rather ppl go in with a plan than blind react
@The12thCrashmaster Жыл бұрын
I agree on the idea that if you made a game only Timeline/a Timeline focused only on the games, the survival logbook can be included since it's clearly connected to the games with references from all the games when it was released, especially Sister Location (exotic butters and casual bongos anyone).
@alexknj1 Жыл бұрын
As Rye says, he had a series comping evidence from the games, and then a video piecing it all together before this timeline video, so if you want more information on his evidence, watch those.
@NotFeikNeim Жыл бұрын
and will's motivation to kill charlie would be the "revenge", as Henry's animatronics are the ones that killed his kid, in his eyes- so he would "want" to kill Henry's daughter
@SOULular Жыл бұрын
3:25 wait FNaF 3?! william literally gets springlocked in a safe room,and we even see screenshots of springtrap with a corpse inside the suit
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
As FailingPepler said, I meant what they do to kill you. Do the animatronic parts crush you, are you skewered, etc? Boom version Skewers and scars you, but the game version is more fatally described by phone guy, and the animatronic parts seem to go thorough and around William’s body from what we can see which could go either way.
@gzs98 Жыл бұрын
The timeline is cool, but Michael being tortured by William in the FNAF 4 room is kind of pulled out of nowhere?
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
No it's not out of nowhere. Michael draws Nightmare Fredbear in the survival logbook, and there were footprints outside Michael's Window in midnight motorist, and William says "he'll be sorry when he gets back". And the bunker in monitoring Michael's room. So, while it's not the most supported theory, it does have some evidence. Not my favorite but it's not "out of nowhere".
@gzs98 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks Yes, I forgot about the Survival Logbook and the FNAF4 and FNAF1 room comparisons. It makes sense taking all that into account.
@Poio_Freido Жыл бұрын
All the evidence for the timeline is in his previous videos. He basically made a 4 part series collecting the evidence and then put it all together to make the timeline in the 4th video
@nerdwithfaith5230 Жыл бұрын
Maybe I've been hearing wrong but I double checked some lines and Mangle also says the one you should not have killed is he, you're still right that it's a rare instance as the other three I can remember aside from Chica just say the one you should not have killed but I thought it was worth saying
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Yeah it was my bad, My brain mixed up “the” and “them”. Still a child’s face and voice.
@1Woofer1 Жыл бұрын
the mci happened the day before my birthday.... uhh i guess i'll avoid any williams for the time being.
@voidcanary41808 ай бұрын
A suspect being "charged" and "convicted" are so different, seems kinda important.
@EmmaBunny88 Жыл бұрын
I always took that little laugh Michael does after the line "they thought I was you," as an ironic laugh. If we take the Clara and Vlad Immortal and the restless to be a reference to how the Aftons got started. They had a child out of wedlock (Michael) and William doesn't want to take responsibility as a parent so makes the excuse of 'the baby isn't mine' to get out of it when he and his son look so similar it's obvious they're related. So that line is delivered with a real heaping of irony; you always denied I was your son but even a troop of animatronics thought we were related! So much so they mistook me for you and I got your intended fate. Just my own thoughts 😊
@shaelynmartin1996 Жыл бұрын
Out of curiosity, do we ever have any actual confirmation beyond Security Breach's Princess Quest arcade games that Cassidy is actually a girl? I know the name is usually for girls, but the name itself *is* unisex. From google: "The name Cassidy is both a boy's name and a girl's name of Irish origin meaning "curly-headed". A lean and lanky Irish cowboy name with great nickname potential to boot (Cass or Sid are both options)." And the child image doesn't really lean one way or another. Just saying, could be possible that Cassidy was meant to be a young boy initially? Possibly? And that's why Mangle and Withered Chica use 'he/him' pronouns?
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I think so, that was my bad. I misremembered how Cassidy's referred to. Princess Quest's file name felt more like a gag about the color they picked for the princess, especially after they went back and changed the file name when people started using it for evidence. Cassidy is most likely male as I stand by it now.
@Poio_Freido Жыл бұрын
I think there was a girl named Cassidy in one of the books.
@soluna4784 Жыл бұрын
@@Poio_Freido oh, yeah, i'm pretty sure it was the Silver Eyes trilogy? all i've read was the Twisted Ones graphic novel, Cassidy could be in either of the other two but, yeah, i'm pretty sure she's a girl in the novels
@Gmex_ONE Жыл бұрын
The introduction of “remnant” into the the lore is where things start to go downhill
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I mean I consider Pizzeria Sim and UCN to be steps up from SL and those are after the introduction of remnant. And Help wanted’s lore is just digital consciousness transferring and doesn’t even mention remnant. SB doesn’t mention remnant at all either.
@Gmex_ONE Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks true true. I guess I just don’t like the how it was incorporated, like as if there was no better explanation so remnant just became the answer to make sense of haunted animatronics. The other concept I don’t like is “the one who should not have been killed” as if that soul is more special or more significant than any of the other dead kids.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
@@Gmex_ONE I think it's less that they are special and more of a threat that they aren't willing to move on and let William die. If William hadn't been so heartless to kill so many kids Toysnhk wouldn't have been one of them. If he had just killed Charlie or one or two others, they may have been able to move on just from him being spring trapped as revenge. But the one isn't satisfied with that. William is being tormented by someone as obsessive as him.
@0o0Anyuna0o0 Жыл бұрын
I had the same reaction to the Jr's thing. Personally I think it was the fnaf2 location and called Freddy Juniors. Kids Cove, Toy animatronics, etc
@jeremymorris345 Жыл бұрын
26:26 Damn that's my birthday.
@syrkul2535 Жыл бұрын
Never make a birthday party at any restaurant with robots
@modmaker7617 Жыл бұрын
One thing this video taught me is that Scott Cawthon is bad at pronouns.
@sheepisanvods11 ай бұрын
I know I'm VERY late to this video, but I wanted to check out more of your content and had something to bring up about souls being present in UCN (please let me know if this is something you've changed thoughts about since this video). The dialogue from Mr. Hippo heavily suggests at the very least he and Orville are actual souls that have been trapped in UCN against their will, specifically "So, you may be asking yourself, how did I go from sitting by the falls drinking lemonade to being wedged in the air duct, not only with Orville, but with an entire assortment of fruity-colored friends? Well, there’s uh, there’s really no good answer to that, but perhaps I met a demise of my own at some point and this is my afterlife or my dream". When he talks about memories with Orville I believe its him remembering stories from his life, just names have been replaced in his mind with the characters he's associated with. I like how it implies Cassidy/Vengeful Spirit isn't only forcing Afton to repeat UCN but several if not all the characters have some spirit (some may even be from random unrelated dead people, having memories and personalities replaced with ones more fitting for their characters) that are unable to escape, it makes Cassidy a more morally grey character who may be overstepping by doing this and causing more pain unintentionally
@Soundwqveknight Жыл бұрын
when the fnaf youtubers react to their reactions of their reactions
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
This is just a reaction.
@apexsaviors7546 Жыл бұрын
Nice reaction vid. Just to pick your brain, the thing about the security puppet being a heavy handed measure: It's function is working the prize corner as well as stopping kids from going outside/bring kids from outside back in. Would you not agree that if it were built for an incident such as the bite in fnaf 4, then its function would be more geared towards preventing something like that?
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Well we don’t know what the function the Security puppet was made for is honestly. We don’t get to see it function properly. Since Charlie is being bullied and it’s meant to protect her, I always thought that was a sign that it was meant to stop bullying like in Fnaf 4.
@grump15379 ай бұрын
Phone guy says the animatronics have been singing stupid songs fo 20 years in 1993, this would imply freddy bonnie foxy and chica have been around since 1973
@grimace9670 Жыл бұрын
I like the idea that midnight motorist takes place before fnaf 4 soon after Elizabeth was killed and the pile is Elizabeth’s fresh grave and they ended up moving to the fnaf 4 house either bc of the painful memory of Elizabeth’s death and or bc the crying child keeps escaping to her grave site (I also like thinking midnight motorist takes place at the same house seen on the fnaf 4 title screen)
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Elizabeth doesn't die until after Freddy's closes, which would be after fnaf 4 since Fredbear's is still around. Hand Unit says that Circus Baby's was formed to fill the spot left by Freddy Fazbear's Pizza closing. The only dates we've ever been given for a Freddy's closing are 1985, 1987, and 2003, all of which are after fnaf 4 in 1983. Elizabeth dies significantly after the crying child, Charlie, and the original MCI kids.
@DerFalke86 Жыл бұрын
do you know what im thinking of since matpats theory about the midnight motorist minigame came out? everyone is connection the minigame house to the house from fnaf 4 but NO ONE is talking about that these must be 3 different houses cause the layout of the rooms dont match with anything we see in the fnaf 4 minigames the house is like a small familys house with a living room 2 bedrooms a hall and a weird locked door to the right of the TV room, then in the nights its like an cyrcle with an kids bedroom and a kitche at the right corner and an livingroom at the left corner hall, then in the midnight motorist minigame its like a a big room with an hall connected to it where 3 doors lead to 3 different rooms, theses houses allways look different but somehow everyone sees over it and thinks yep fnaf 4 house
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I think the Aftons either move between events, or Scott just never settled on a definitive design for the house.
@DerFalke86 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks yeah i get the point but kinda ruins it if william has cams installed in the fnaf 4 nights rooms also crying childs hospital nightmares play in this room causing us to think its his room and then we see that his room till the point he got biten in the head was completely different the only thing that matches really is that the house is prosumetly on the same spot
@alanthorpe5693 Жыл бұрын
Mangle also says "He's here, and always watching, the one you shouldn't have killed."
@achedail0389 Жыл бұрын
I personally think that the one that you shouldn’t have killed is the crying child from fnaf 4. It would be a lot more poetic that the bite victim, the one that started it all is torturing his father because of everything thing he went through. I know that William didn’t kill him directly but he made the springlocks that killed the bite victims.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Eh there’s some implications that Henry made the Springlock suits so that would make it hard for this to work. But it’s more likely than Mike hell.
@Fazbear_Entertainment_19836 ай бұрын
I thought that William had a different voice while talking brought the fredbear voice too, I’ve been saying it for years but no one thought it make sense! The colors of the sprite text from night 6 also matches mustard man’s colors, another example on how William could be mustard man
@salt_factory7566Ай бұрын
4:50 Ultimate theory here. FNAF 4 is in the early summer and Michael is spending most of his time outside. Therefore he tans over the course of the BV memory minigames. Therefore making SL some time not in the summer by his paler sprite (or maybe the scooper did that)
@salt_factory7566Ай бұрын
Never mind someone said this already
@zilaxd1094 Жыл бұрын
came for a fnaf video, stayed for the banget music
@grimace9670 Жыл бұрын
I like thinking midnight motorist was made to concretely show William is an awful abusive father so he wasn’t the one who promised to put the crying child back together maybe?
@colelevel265427 күн бұрын
Plot twist: Golden Freddy was originally called "Yellow Bear" because he's secretly Winnie the Pooh.
@Thebirdy123 Жыл бұрын
15:25 It's common name was "The Marionette" never sock puppet as far as I am aware from my time of hyperfixation in the fnaf 2-5 era
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I remember it being an unused name from the game files, but that may be a mandela effect. edit: just double checked, there was in fact some weird unused code string referring to a sock puppet in fnaf 2.
@Thebirdy123 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks huh that's interesting
@porcelainchips6061 Жыл бұрын
BUNKER THEORY: Is it possible crying child is somehow being kept in the bunker, so Mike has run off to see him? Okay, hear me out; where is golden freddy this whole time? Golden Freddy is never physically at any location we play the game play portion in. We see him in cutscenes, but he is never around for FNAF1, 2 or any other game. UCN ends with it shown twitching on the ground; unable to move effectively, but clearly possessed to move by something. Was Afton keeping Golden Freddy in the bunker? Bonus round: Is FNAF4 the golden suit placed in the bunker, being put through the "tests" of the nights we play through? Many point out that the map of the house in SL matches the house map in the gameplay sections, but does not match the layout of the house in the mini-game / cut scene sections. Many have wondered if the gameplay section is really a testing facility decorated to look like a house interior. (Personally I still wonder if the midnight motorist is Cassidy's father who is too drunk to recognize his child has been kidnapped via the broken window / mascot foot prints, but that is an entirely different can of worms.)
@Takejiro24 Жыл бұрын
The only thing I can think about Golden Freddy being in Sister Location is Yenndo (who appears sometimes in Funtime Foxy's room and in Custom Night).
@NotUlpoadingAnything11 ай бұрын
6:18 I agree that the cause of the Crying Child's fear of the animatronics couldn't have been seeing Charlie's death, but it could have been seeing his friends getting stuffed into the suits. It would explain why he freaks out when he sees an employee being put into the spring lock suit. He thinks they're getting stuffed. Also, when pigtail girl at the park tells him she heard they hide your body and asks why he looks so worried, it's because he actually might have seen that happen. 30:50 I think that unless it was retconned, the yellow suit Phone Guy mentions was actually Golden Freddy because it's the only yellow suit in the game and only becomes active on Night 6 after the second group of children are killed.
@Shift_Salt5 ай бұрын
I liked this timeline up to a certain point before falling off, but it's still well made.
@HDeDeDe Жыл бұрын
I thought FNAF 2 took place before FNAF 1. That’s what the whole bite of 87’ shenanigans was about. In fact, I’m really surprised it just wasn’t brought up in the video.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
it does take place before 1? What made you think otherwise?
@HDeDeDe Жыл бұрын
Just skimmed back through, I don’t know how I missed that fnaf 1 was after sister location, which is nowhere near where I would have placed it. I guess it was just the idea that Afton killed 5 kids before fnaf 2, unless I misunderstood that as well.
@GraySheep1717 Жыл бұрын
Using both versions of Tidal Tempest. Based.
@PikachuGamerSMT Жыл бұрын
The 223 is most likely the year aka 2023 which means pizza sim is shortly after 3
@levymcgarden93379 ай бұрын
13:30 he made videos before this explaining the evidence for his claims lol
@Hot_SpicyGrill Жыл бұрын
10:39 Charlie died before the crying child because the she's in the plush. we know the text change is because the puppet is speaking because of the symbolism of the Lefty ally screen. Also it was Freddy's so early it was just him and he had the cup cake.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Charlie is not the plush. Scott confirmed around the time Matpat made a big fuss around the color change that it was a mistake. It's William just like the rest of the game. We know it's William because of the walkie-talkie and specifically the line "I will put you back together" (the one that's a different color) is William even without Scott's confirmation since Mike references it in his monologue. "I put her back together, just like you asked me to." which reinforces that William uses that phrase. The Lefty alley screen does not confirm it's the puppet speaking. If you're going to use the minigames weird layout's and animatronics as proof that would mean, there's a location with no doors or windows in which Foxy was the only animatronic who would constantly run out to the same 5 kids over and over. The minigames are weird representations of the events. It's likely this was Scott's original plan for Fredbear's or the first Freddy's before he ironed out the details in FNaF 3. It's unknown whether Charlie dies first and MANY fans argue against it. It's worth noting that the character assumed to be the puppet in fnaf world talks differently than the easter egg fredbear does and in a different font and style, implying they are two different beings even at that point in the franchise.
@Hot_SpicyGrill Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks I looked that up the Afton thing. And I couldn't find anything about it. But even then that's out of game, and I don't think was ever patched out. The Lefty ally screen is symbolic proof. The ring master is Will. His dummy is Michael, The clown is Elizabith and the bare is CC. Then out side of all of that! Is Lefty. Who isn't apart of the family, and is just a out sider. Now Lefty is the golden Freddy analog for the Rockstars, and it has the puppet in side of it. Also while Will did try something. by having Michael put Elizabith memory's back together. The Puppet or Casady set up happiest day. It was not Will, lol. That was probably a forgotten plot line. And retconned to be the puppet. My main point was the animatronic. And its the main show room and we only see one. This is sported by rock star having a similar look witch I think is confirmed by posters to be a old ass location. Also golden Freddy was a character at this point. Also given how Will only uses spring locks after this. Id feel its safe to assume drive by stabbing's wasn't Wills. Most common hobby.
@Hot_SpicyGrill Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks I’m back with more on Fred bear. Security breach dose have Fred bear posters. Bonnie was at the frist Fred bears, and had a purple tie. Fred bear. Might be light brown. But it’s hard to tell. He dose have a black hat and bow. Ucn and bite of 83 Fred bear, has a purple bow and hat. This means that Charlie was at the frist Fred bears. So that means give gifts give life was a bit more literal.
@swampman5986 Жыл бұрын
I've always seen fnaf pizzaria sim as the end of the series and ar, vr and security breach is its own kinda story/reimagining type deal
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Well they have direct continuity with Security Breach and Security breach has direct continuity with pizzeria sim which is connected to every prior game. If it was a reimagining then basically everything in it happened the same.
@Goggles1975 Жыл бұрын
Ihave a theroy that we may not be looking at because of the community consensus. When steel wool studios came out and said. "Something happens ironicly and that how they become the villian" what if the ironic thing that happens is Elizabeth being the first death. From her blueprint we see the ice cream compartment that can also fit a child. But the design never tells us that it is just assumed. What if the whole thing that happened was a malfunction similar to a spring lock to her suit. She was covered with confetti and smelled like birthday cake so that with making the ice cream overloaded her and the emergency stop activated in her leg and grabbed Elizabeth accidently. And from that evan knew and was scared of the suits since going inside he think people will die in them. Thats why he not afraid of the plusses. And William goes mad from this accident while learning about remnant so as he works on it from the basement he sees his son having the nightmares and tries to scare him to protect him. Then when his son dies he takes it out on his son Michael. At that time he tries to sell it to Henry but Henry dosent buy it so to get him on his side he kills Henry's daughter then goes to comfort Henry to get him to be involved with the plan to bring the kids back at Jr's but is kicked out and goes home to deal with Michael but he runs away . I feel this adds alot of plot to both sides and intertwine both sides to the story more than just one is a serial killer and why evan is so scared
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
The Circus Baby brand was stated (at the start of the game) to be formed after Freddy’s closes. That would be after Fnaf 4, since every Freddy’s location closes after that game’s events. Even if you argue that hand unit just means the rental service, the other blueprints of the circus animatronics have features for luring kids, implying that they were made to kill kids in general. That’s reinforced by the opening cutscene with William and whoever he’s talking to. Then there’s the issue of what Baby says on night 4 about the spring lock suit, “I don’t think it was ever used, at least not the way it was meant to be used” which implies William used it for an unintended purpose which would be to kill kids, which means when Circus Baby’s opens he’s already killing kids, as reinforced by the blueprints.
@sidewireflame2949 Жыл бұрын
I am confused if we are playing as Micheal in Fnaf 4 which I assumed he was a teenagers at this point, why would he have toys for the crying child’s age? Also it does seam weird how the newspaper says how the children were never found until the animatronics started oozing blood and smelling. at that point they would have found the dead bodies at that point they would know it’s William but the newspaper acts like these 2 are separate events, like they never mentioned that the child’s bodies were ever taken out especially since the skeleton would still be in the suits I personally don’t understand the need for a second missing children’s incident story telling wise I always thought the Funtime animatronics were just haunted by the children they lured to be killed like Elizabeth
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I agree on the last point, but the newspapers didn't say they found the bodies, they say that parents said there was blood and mucus coming out of the animatronics, not that the police or government looked inside and found the dead kids.
@sidewireflame2949 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks so then the kids skeletons are still in their then it just seams insane to me that nobody put 2 and 2 together
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
@@sidewireflame2949 considering that they’ve been torn apart and repaired I’m pretty sure that the Fazbear employees or even William himself got rid of the bodies, and to avoid legal trouble didn’t say anything. That’s very much how their brand works.
@Takejiro24 Жыл бұрын
To answer your question about Michael in FNAF 4, it's heavily implied we're playing as him due to the FNAF 1 phone call (with Phone Guy's voice) being played at times in the background. Only Mike Schmidt would have heard these phone calls which also implies the kid we play as in the nightmares and Schmidt are the same person. And that these nightmares must be taking place either during or after FNAF 1. And a question written by one of the spirits in the Survival Logbook ask, "Was your favorite childhood toy a phone?" The keyword being "childhood". And CC owned none of the toys seen in the nightmares. As to why he's a child either: 1) Michael's guilt over CC's death is so bad that he's putting himself in CC's shoes as a child when he's having these nightmares, 2) he's remembering the times where he was tormented by the animatronics by William if the Sister Location bunker room is any indication, or 3) Something else is deliberately giving Michael his nightmares and placing him back into the perspective he had as a child as an extra means of tormenting him. I've seen theories that it might be CC giving Michael these nightmares which makes sense especially if he encountered Golden Freddy during his time in FNAF 1.
@theletterm27569 ай бұрын
So, judging by the footprints we can guess there is some sort of animatronic scarecrow, right? So, couldn't the runaway have knocked it down and hid it in the woods as a sort of rebellious act against their father who likely put it there? Or perhaps the scarecrow hid itself out there for some reason. The bunker idea could work but it seems weird that the hatch would be buried and not somehow protected by a shed or even fake rock formation or something. Someone would obviously notice if a spot is being dug up repeatedly to access a hatch. A pretty bad way to hide it in my opinion.
@EpicdjlPlays9 ай бұрын
music is a teeny bit loud, great video though
@toxicscope511 Жыл бұрын
35:50 Being game only wouldn't imply that the mobile game is being considered here? I think remnant is explained there right?
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Remnant's a little different in AR than in the other games. It's described as malleable when heated, but in AR it's floaty soul essence.
@sparx67668 ай бұрын
I feel that the funtimes have to be possessed by the original MCI for 2 reasons. 1 being that it is possible afton injected the remnant from the classics into the funtimes in between him destroying the animatronics and getting springlocked. And 2, we see the gravestone ending in the end of Pizza sim after everything burns down, including Molten Freddy which would have these souls in them. We know Cassidy is part of Golden Freddy which was a part of the MCI, so we can assume the other gravestones are the rest of the kids from the MCI. So if thats the case, why would we see the gravestones of the MCI kids symbolisying them moving on if they weren't even present in pizza sim?
@kingloucifur8086 Жыл бұрын
I think it is arguable whether the all the kids were lured on June 26th. June 26th is just when the camera feed comes from, at which time someone in a mascot suit is seen luring two kids. Now I won't argue that the rest happened within that same week or so, but if we were to say those two were the last, then the other three could have been lured a few days prior with no camera evidence. Little thing to nitpick, I know, but the fact you said it was inarguable just triggered that sense of "But is it, tho?" In me that I think most of us FNAF theorists share and is why we never allow each other to reach conclusions that don't have 100% basis in fact, so I hope you'll forgive me contending that point.
@RobinRhombus2 Жыл бұрын
HRY223 sounds like something you'd call a robot, what if he possessed the stab bot? Just a random thought.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Stab Bot?
@RobinRhombus2 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks In the novel, Henry builds a robot designed to stab him to death. Granted, he probably didn't possess it but would fall inline with how agony works so maybe he built it in the games and that's why we never see him, only hear him.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
@@RobinRhombus2 Maybe for the book universe. Without any proof otherwise there's no reason to assume that Henry died in the game timeline until the fire of 6. And there's no proof of the stab bot existing in the game timeline. So Hry223 almost certainly isn't possessing a character that has no implications of existing in the gameline.
@might_e Жыл бұрын
crying child's death couldn't possibly be due to springlock failure, fredbear was already in animatronic mode so the springlocks weren't engaged. only when being set to suit mode do the springlocks get engaged and dangerous.
@Hot_SpicyGrill Жыл бұрын
I don't think game Will knew until follow me. Shadow Freddy lead them to the back room and them being lead back there tipped him off.
@aes2621 Жыл бұрын
Gentle reminder Rye uses They/Them pronouns
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Yes I learned that after the reaction!
@Takejiro24 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't the Pigtail Girl in FNAF 4 say something along the lines as, "You'd better watch out! I hear they come to life at night. And if you die, they hide your body and never tell anyone." Maybe this implies MCI happened before/during FNAF 4 minigames? As well as the Puppet (somehow) possessing the Puppet, talking to C.C. in his final moments?
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
I think this is more here to imply that these rumors predate the actual murders. She also says, you don’t really believe that do you? If I remember properly. Remember dream theory was somewhat implied at the time even if it was changed or moved away from now.
@Takejiro24 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks Double checked and Pigtail Girl doesn't say, "you don't really believe that, do you?" Also, I'm not sure how well dream theory works even back then considering FNAF 1 Phone Guy is heard in the nightmares.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
@@Takejiro24 Sorry Mandela effect, I was misremembering the line "why do you look so worried". My bad.
@Khanmanlol Жыл бұрын
I always interpreted that as pig-tails girls teasing/bullying the Crying Child, since he's already terrified of the animatronics.
@Takejiro24 Жыл бұрын
@@Khanmanlol Could mean both. MCI Kids possess the animatronics, security guards go missing, rumors start, Pigtail Girl perpetuates them to C.C. to scare him
@niickrambosr.7076 Жыл бұрын
Nice
@charlespianostuff6735 Жыл бұрын
Not my favourite. But I really like Chara. The way I see them anyway
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Chara as in undertale?
@DiamondEyeball Жыл бұрын
26:00 bruh, the goofy music is WAY too distracting
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Don’t rag on Tidal Tempest
@dr.archaeopteryx5512 Жыл бұрын
A potentially better way to retcon "save him" would be to have it turn out Charlie was (gonna grow up to be) a trans boy, and paranormal antics meant whoever was saying that (Crying child...?) knew somehow. Mostly because that would really necessitate giving the Puppet more characterisation and by god does this series ever need more characterisation for everybody who isn't William or one of his lackeys. Especially because this would add to the theme of Monologue guy kinda just presuming stuff about others, or that he knows what's best for everybody for that matter. ...Then again not sure if I trust the writer of the fourth closet to handle a topic like that.
@siresquawks Жыл бұрын
Or Scott just changed his mind.
@dr.archaeopteryx5512 Жыл бұрын
@@siresquawks ...Yes? That's what a retcon is?
@LillyValentineFGC Жыл бұрын
I really love the William stopping to do the voice to make the promise himself theory a lot, actually shows that he loves him