Eminem On Sobriety, 'Relapse', What Led to 'Rap God' | Paul Pod Ep. 6 | SiriusXM

Eminem’s second greatest hits album, Curtain Call 2, gives listeners a retrospective on the last ten years of Mr. Mathers’ Hall of Fame Career. From Recovery onward, Eminem has ventured into new spaces - sober and ever so slightly matured from the constant lighting rod of controversy that veiled his entry into the industry. With songs like “Love the Way You Lie”, “Lighters”, “Walk on Water”, and “Godzilla” Eminem spread his wings to include collaborations with contemporary voices like Rihanna, Bruno Mars, Beyoncé, and the late Juice WRLD. During this era, Eminem also honed in on the character which the culture has called him for years- a “Rap God”. Curtain Call 2 is an amalgamation of Marshall’s journey forward (and sometimes backwards!) into an eventual legendary status. Throughout this maturation, Eminem’s longtime manager Paul Rosenberg has been with him through the thick and the thin. Paul Pod finally turns its attention towards the wizard himself. Paul and Em sit down in the first of a 2 part conversation about the making of Curtain Call 2.
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Eminem On Sobriety, 'Relapse', What Led to 'Rap God' | Paul Pod Ep. 6 | SiriusXM
• Eminem On Sobriety, 'R...

[@Swa33er]

I hate that he hates Relapse so much, because I FUCKING LOVE Relapse... The extended version with 'My Darling' included was godly...

[@eslamhassan363]

I love my darling too I can see it a video while Iam hear it

[@thesixthgodhand]

THANK YOU. ITS A FUCKIN MASTERPIECE

[@johnhawkes3323]

"My darling" is a master piece 👌👍

[@dontbesensitive]

Had Eminem replaced "Medicine Ball" and "We Made you" with "Mr Darling" and "CWYWF".....Relapse would be his best all time album I truly believe that!

[@djcastano1180]

I’ve loved relapse since it dropped and it still holds up. It was essentially a sequel to SSLP. A true slim album and very catchy at that.

[@MentalChappie]

Relapse is fire. Music box is crazy.

[@Bill-ui6rx]

Agreed music box is a classic love that . Knock that on max your shake the cars next to u

[@malotielemans3863]

2:00 "Fack was a masterpiece" 2:13 "Best song I've ever made" Fucking love Em.

[@zerohnutz]

facking love em you mean

[@malotielemans3863]

@@zerohnutz good one

[@Longenecker1776]

Hilarious

[@zerohnutz]

@@Longenecker1776 yep I'm a comedy genius

[@superdopehiphop]

He knows it’s his worst ever🤣

[@udopiarecords]

Relapse is probably the Eminem album I go back to the most… the production is so dark and heavy, and the flows and the weird enunciations is grade-A entertainment

[@jbus9219]

That shit was played heavy in my town.

[@Jerm0915]

Dude he hates it but everybody loves it lol idk why he hates it so much

[@connork1390]

100%

[@lachousalle31]

I remember popping vicodin while listening to that album. Fun times.

[@MegaMrGTA]

Dude the rhymes on that album get fucking insane

[@darthbango1999]

I don't give a big steaming crap that he hates it... RELAPSE is one of the dopest records of all time.

[@makeyourself1988]

Agreed!! Loved his flows and lyrics on that album. Great album. Also Relapse:Refill had some incredible tracks like ‘be careful what you wish for’ on it.

[@demetrielenis40]

Agree the accents are a little much but the beats and songs are actually great , loved that album

[@growfasho6629]

💯

[@MentalChappie]

Got to be in his top 5 surely.

[@Smith.S.sStocHasticSs]

Right?? I mean, I personally don't care 4 it but for YEARS all I see everywhere is Relapse this and that and Relapse 2 been hoping for years and years.... he said he is always tryna figure out what people want... 🙄🤨🤔 What people? Who? What people said the accent thing? Cuz I've only ever heard that comment from Eminem. He says those songs are terrible but he could be wrong and if he's right so what?

[@iztheillest]

Refreshing to hear him talking about Relapse in depth like this. Even during its initial release, he never talked about the making of the Relapse in detail

[@214Ro]

Just bought the vinyl album art is awesome music is great but drop the bomb on em is actually murderous lyrically

[@geddyleesowlnose]

We need a "The Eminem Show" discussion with em and Paul

[@duncanidaho7494]

It is his best album hands down.

[@ThompterSHunson]

My favorite song (among other beloved songs of Eminem) is "Soldier". Some of the tightest verses ever! Thanks for this, SeriumXM. ✌

[@Smith.S.sStocHasticSs]

Thompter S. Hunson 😅 ahhh haha I like it- Soldier became one of my Playlist musts after I saw Stevie Knights' 2nd reaction to it when he watches the story behind it leading into the skit-- 🤪😜 I never knew what was going on before but it makes it soo much more exciting like with the lawyer line... 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤😝🤘

[@HUNGRYFLOWER98]

That 3rd verse🔥🔥🔥

[@kalkella8822]

"Everybody halts and stops, all you see is bitches comin out their halter tops"

[@chrismystek8396]

Soldier lights a fucking fire under my ass 🙏💯

[@Smith.S.sStocHasticSs]

Like my lawyers when the fuckin judge let's me off

[@mikeedwards4469]

What a trip hearing how his mind works when he's working on songs

[@robertshields6214]

Been a fan of Marshal since day one. Some think his old shit can’t be topped but his new work is over the top. There is so much thought that goes in to every verse and beat, it’s next level. Not a like and Fall are absolute master pieces.

[@quintinlee9224]

Revival was a full circle album that went over people's head people will say it's the production and beat selection but miss the the overall message the growth from SSLP to Revival is what every artist should strive for and I been fan since 1999 and glad Em made it threw his addictions and grown as human being I salute Em MY goat

[@robensonbadette9006]

Yeah but the production only make you turn it off I feel like Eminem's choices or it's because of Paul Rosenberg were bad and I'm happy he received negative opinions because he could go deeper in this route of: rock samples and pop features

[@quintinlee9224]

@@robensonbadette9006 it made some turn it off because of the production but not me I listen to what Eminem was saying and I have to agree I'm glad he got negative reaction because of that we got kamikaze

[@jcch1090]

Didn't go over anyone's head revival and mmlp2 were garbage. This coming from an em fan

[@quintinlee9224]

@@jcch1090 ok President Em fan your word is Gospel since you said it must be true or could it be some people like it and some people didn't just because YOU say it's garbage doesn't make it so

[@jcch1090]

@@quintinlee9224 there's many people who think the same I'm a fan but im not a dick rider. Every single artist in the history of music I listen to has missed on occasion and EM no different

[@RackEmRack]

I watched a video about relapse being one of the dopest horror core albums ever and it makes me appreciate it so much. It’s like a movie.

[@jamespeterson9943]

By chance have a link?

[@RackEmRack]

@@jamespeterson9943 kzbin.info/www/bejne/haStgpRmaJyDl7s

[@mile_851]

link?

[@drbibhis7345]

Dont be a douche link?

[@Jonboy997]

Relapse is a dope album. That's such a good album, idc what anyone says

[@Marsh31]

There will never be another Eminem.

[@Swa33er]

Ever.. We got to be alive while this phenomenon existed. I'm thankful

[@caberknight9013]

You kidding? There are whole bags of them! I’ll see myself out

[@juanitamannn]

@@caberknight9013 that didn't hit like you thought it would. Bad attempt.

[@ReflektonRecords]

FACK

[@ted__ryan]

No shit 😂

[@GodhasgivenNAT]

Idgaf relapse is still a classic 🔥🔥

[@user7___]

I wish Em would still use resto and the bass bros. His music was absolutely incredible with those guys

[@Marco-lr6yd]

true

[@notforone]

He still works with Resto.

[@chrishealton3830]

Resto was all over his new record.

[@user7___]

@@chrishealton3830 👍 hence this last album being his best since Encore. He went closer to his original vocal tone and production, then married that concept with modern day.

[@GarbageMan144]

​@@chrishealton3830 now he just needs to get back with the bass brothers

[@melindapinner4035]

Recovery another phenomenal album! I remember I never let the boys listen to the song “So Bad”. Later my youngest, Noah told me he snuck my iPod and listen to it. Lol for the record I allowed the boys to listen to Eminem because one day my son who has anxiety very bad, the oldest one does. He asked me how do you acquire confidence. I may have said some things but I remember playing lose yourself. And then I would let them listen to certain songs. Now, they are 17 and 21 and they listen to it all. Thank you Marshall or Eminem or Slim Shady. Thank you for years of core memories

[@garypaine1136]

Been listening since mmlp, em is part of the fabric of my life, got me through so much , thank you Marshall

[@RootsThunder]

Truly fascinating to hear even a sentence about tracks I’ve loved for decades

[@Swa33er]

I'm heartbroken there was no sit down and visual to this, would have been the most epic interview ever, more so because Paul knows him SO well. It's brilliant to see him so happy and healthy now.

[@hydroblitz3307]

It makes me so happy hearing how much paul cares about em compared to the skits 😂

[@nightdreamer9]

Relapse is a fucking classic.

[@eddypeacock4005]

It's great hearing Em laugh man!

[@dclucka9502]

Ems got such a great sense of humor!! Il never forget him being in the espn booth for that Saturday Night football game!!

[@superdopehiphop]

Em funny and one of the illest/wittiest emcees EVER, but that night was more scary/awkward/high/sick to me then “hilarious”. 😅

[@edenalexisevans6948]

His songs saved me (I had two monsters living in my house) and Marshall writes different songs for every kind of emotion, I’m sure many others, too. I’m devastated he feels so hurt by his peers/critics! He’s allowed to have albums that do what he does: push boundaries (he’s done it his entire career)! I loved so many songs on “Relapse” ohhh, “Underground”…unbelievable! I’m a nonStan fan but I just wish I knew where I could send him a thank you! Thank you, Paul and DRE and RIP PROOF! ❤️

[@ReflektonRecords]

I love hearing Em open up

[@pamelamaloy9778]

Wow what an amazing interview,I've always wanted to learn and know everything about Marshall,this is only the beginning ready for part2 after bathroom break of course ❣️🥰

[@TananJess]

Sound like a broken record everytime I break a record I love that line

[@EnDependance123]

“Taking My Ball” and “Ridaz” are two of my favorite tracks from 2nd half Em

[@shroomshady27]

The NEW songs on the original "Curtain Call: The Hits" were "FACK", "When I'm Gone" and "Shake That (feat. Nate Dogg)" RIP Nate Dogg. Paul forgot about "Shake That". That was a great fucking song. Nowhere near as brilliant as the song "FACK", but I mean that's the greatest song ever written. Even EM thinks so. I laughed so hard that I started full-on crying when I first heard "FACK". No sarcasm whatsoever, FACK is one of my favourite songs EM's ever made. I absolutely love his silly side. EM is one of the funniest humans on the planet. N I LOVE the accents! Relapse is a goddamn masterpiece! I don't care what EM thinks about it, he's always too hard on himself. RELAPSE is facking brilliant. What an epic comeback album. I am dead serious. It's a very "Slim Shady" album, and that's always been my favourite shit. -

[@mejessee3]

2 fans haha. Ok I'm at least one of the two. I'm listening to it now. It's making my day, listening to these interviews.

[@RandyReviews1990]

love pauls and em relationship still strong after all these years!

[@Swa33er]

Anyone else who has followed Em religiously wonder what it would be like to actually sit down and talk to him and ask him all the shit you've wondered about forever?? It would be incredible

[@shadygirl06]

Gems dropped in this interview, thanks for the honesty

[@sarbonestudios]

The accents were fine. it was creative and funny. I was always a Relapse fan.

[@jtrem08]

What a freaking amazing interview! Loved all the behind the scenes insights around the albums and songs like Bad Guy and Love the Way You Lie.

[@hairgirl1087]

I have never laughed so hard in my life talking about the accents on relapse how Paul didn’t even notice when he played it for other people like it’s great he’s rapping again but what’s up with the accents lol . I swear to god I love their bond that is awesome I get why Eminem is sober still to this day with someone like Paul in his life. He is like a dad to him I think. Love u Paul and em

[@jumpforjoy6]

Lol Paul was the one feeding him drugs ... Read his bodyguards book. He said Paul was really manipulative and over influenced em

[@philcypher903]

One thing I’ve always wanted to see if Em could elaborate on is the alleged “King Mathers” project. Syllables is a really good song and the internet has always alleged the tape through that song.

[@simidjayred5355]

Im so frustrated that he never talks about it. Never talks about Cashis, Stat Quo and Bobby Creekwater neither it's as if they never existed

[@philcanselmo9436]

Exactly that's something we (the fans) need to ask him about that. Or ask Rosenberg in another interview

[@KingMathers]

@@philcanselmo9436 I’d love if he ever talked about King Mathers

[@drstrange4625]

He doesn’t talk about it because it doesn’t exist. There was never an album called that. it was a fan made 😂

[@philcypher903]

@@drstrange4625 I just highly doubt there isn’t a missing tape from that hiatus. King Mathers is just an example I could come up with. Only other thing is Dre’s scrapped “Detox” album to relate to the timing I’m talking about.

[@brycewalker5444]

If Em Can Do It And Get Sober..WE ALL CAN 🙏..My Motivation on my Road to Recovery! Everything Gets Worse Before It Gets Better I Hate Saying It But It's All Facts 💯. Who Wants to Get Sick For Weeks and Weeks?? Not Me Y'all But My Daughter Is Also My Motivation To Sobriety! Hope The Best To Everyone Dealing with Addiction Because your Not Alone. Pray For Each other Please Y'all 🙏🙌😇

[@chewie-v9546]

Haven't finished yet but I'm wishing em talks about Infinite. That album got me through my first job out of hs and its by far my favorite as a whole. That era of eminem was something so different and slept on.

[@The_Gerry_Man]

@@Maddierga1618 rights issues with the bass brothers

[@KidofAk]

Did you listen to the intro think it makes it funnier

[@ehailey09]

Cold Wind Blows is incredible

[@TananJess]

Recovery was 🔥 the whole album

[@wearenotyourkind666]

Relapse is so underrated but I can understand why he doesn’t like it. I’d love a recovery 2 though that album is a classic for me

[@valid3383]

Fuck Relapse 2...Drop the leftovers from Recovery asap!! That album was the one he got perfect after the first 3 albums. He came for that Wayne spot and knocked it out the park.

[@darknight0dc]

I *just* learned that Rihanna isn't even the one singing the high notes in "the monster", it's Bebe Rexha! Supposedly she begged the studio not to use her vocals but they did anyway cause Rihanna couldn't hit the highs. That's a real bummer, and makes me side-eye Em & Paul here talking about how great Rihanna is on the track...

[@jumpforjoy6]

Rihanna cant sing fir shit

[@snoopy4749]

Not really

[@slimmike56]

I still think Eminem Show is his best album top to bottom & is the closest one to being a classic

[@Subzyy]

this podcast is dope thank you so much Shady family 💜

[@jill7717]

I just listening to this because it sounds like I’m being a fly on the wall, listening to a phonecall that 2 friends are having about all the things they went through ❤

[@gregh_777]

'"went to LA and saw that doctor" lol

[@danielle14219]

I still listen to FACK omg the 1st time I heard that I think 🤔 was 05 and I listened to it so many times laughing our asses off! Then drove from buffalo to Detroit to Ems concert 🥰 best time! Been a fan since 1999💕💕💕

[@Looster.]

12:50 love this 😂

[@theuntouchabletee4470]

Under Ground was one of the hardest lyrical songs he ever recorded

[@theuntouchabletee4470]

@Mike M that song was so dope to me because of the concept it's like Slim Shady is Jason in a Friday The 13TH movie lol

[@montegah]

@@theuntouchabletee4470 Relapse one of the best Em albums in my opinion just cuz of how different it is. Em really had me feeling like I was there seeing all that psychotic shit. Underground is definitely a top 5 track from relapse.

[@theuntouchabletee4470]

@@montegah It reminds me of Friday the 13th part 6 when they dig up Jason and he is struck by lighting and becomes super human and goes on a killing spree lmao....i swear Em watched that before he wrote this song

[@montegah]

@Mike M stay wide awake my favorite off relapse the whole album goes pretty hard tbh one of my favorite albums in general.

[@snoopy4749]

Easily the best song on the album, the standard version anyway… My Darling and Drop The Bomb On ‘Em are very close.

[@robertcampbell3256]

I love how em remembers it all

[@masterkind5375]

Am I the only one who senses a bit of a father-son dynamic between Paul and Em? Like Paul is the Dad, Marshall never had, even tho they're roughly the same age.

[@jumpforjoy6]

Paul used to feed Em drugs. Go read his bodyguards book . He said paul was really manipulative and basically had too much influence on him. Like marshall cabt make his own decisions.

[@MahtiGC]

@@jumpforjoy6Eminem’s old body guard isn’t a reliable source.

[@lotusfrucht111]

Paul's Rick Rubin impression is spot on! 😂

[@melindapinner4035]

Mac Miller. My sons listened to Mac and I remember listening to his music and what a phenomenal young artist. What a tragedy. It would’ve been amazing To see the two of them collaborate

[@tonytouch145]

I hate when there’s no video. Whether it’s radio or podcast, you will get more listeners and viewers with video.

[@melindapinner4035]

Incredible!!! His enunciation is off the chain. His words are so clear. I wonder if Eminem hears other rappers who can rap pretty quickly and feels he hast to top them? Lol is he competitive like that? We may never know. I went running to renegade the other night. It’s the shit. No I’m not a Stan! I love running to classic rock, other hip hop artists, other genres. Old country. Music 🎶 is … 🧘🏻‍♀️ 🏃🏻‍♀️ mental health

[@room616oc]

I liked Relapse because it’s was the last album where Dr.Dre produced the entire album except for Beautiful. Dre hasn’t done that since DoggyStyle.

[@mikehunt7360]

I live beautiful

[@budzbunny7225]

It makes me so unbelievably fucking happy that I’m not the only one who LOVES the Relapse record🙏🏻 I was about 8 and it shaped my childhood ☠️☠️🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@buttscratcher]

Relapse in my top 3 em albums

[@Inf1de1]

I’ve been listening to relapse everyday for the last 14 years ❤

[@MarkLev111]

He's almost 50 and I can't believe that

[@justinmathers7907]

Recovery one the best diverse albums I’ve ever heard, diverse as in there’s a song for almost every mood .

[@ScottyD26]

Should’ve asked him about My Darling

[@josephfarrier3978]

He sold his soul

[@TheOfficialJayWhy]

Bro i need to hear em and twista on a track and then talking about that double-time ting cah these two and Tech are the masters!!

[@maydem]

I hope the next album of Eminem is gonna have at least one relapse song

[@TananJess]

Added to it was a perfect complement

[@evankelleher7607]

Bad guy and evil twin are insane songs

[@malotielemans3863]

17:31 the amount of respect between EM and Weezy is just great to hear .GOAT recognize GOAT

[@mr.bluntsworth248]

Wish Em did the talking for himself rather than Paul doing it and then make sure Em just agrees with him. As if he's telling him to just go along with it.

[@CASIOF-91W]

This podcast is Paul talking 90% of the duration, and em talking 10% and getting interrupted by paul

[@DrYellingPanda]

Paul is obviously filling in the parts Em doesn't remember. He gives him a chance to tell his part of the story.

[@robertshields6214]

Both Marshal and Paul are geniuses!

[@TananJess]

That's one of the things that made his rapping so unique, the way he connected things other couldn't it's creative genius.

[@robertsuchy2369]

75 valium a night 😳

[@TananJess]

Revival walk on water, the River feat ed sheeran, castle to arose, all those are good because they give the story telling aspect I respect and appreciate.

[@ReaperessRogue]

Fuck me... Ive never thanked the man responsible for us having Marshall as long as we have. Thank you so much, Paul! We fucking love you! Without uncle Paul, we wouldnt have Marshall. He would have ran off the tracks long ago.

[@angelaj686]

I love the insight of see all of the pieces of the process that make these records possible. It's destiny or God's design that brought Paul and Eminem together. Thank you for sharing this with us.

[@thefogisgone3662]

More interviews with Em on the craft specifically and his writing process and how he thinks of bars and all that

[@MahtiGC]

research (e.g serial killer doc) and learn poetic devices.

[@Cameo131]

Em went back to what he did to create the Eminem show, then successfully did that with Recovery. And that was his best album since Eminem show. This is something plenty rappers can do, but they choose to stick with their new flow and new concepts. But Em fully switched to wordplay Em after Recovery, apparently because of what Wayne & Hov were doing. I’d tell him to just stick to making quality music instead of trying to out rap everybody. Odd how he said he went BACK to wordplay, when realistically he only sprinkled that style into his albums. Now, he’s all about rappitty rap.

[@zglocc3799]

MTBMB was fire

[@Cameo131]

@@zglocc3799 that was surprisingly good. Great quality songs.

[@enriquemagnus4812]

Bad guy... Amazing art

[@Swa33er]

Bad Guy and The Ringer are literally MASTERPIECES.

[@SilverCali11]

LOVE THESE!!!

[@Ranger.TomGunna]

No Relapse 2 is the saddest thing for me that I have ever heard Eminem say 😔😔

[@ord_huntire8412]

He talks to eminem sorta like how police try to interrogate a suspect for a specific answer by being their friend. Side note, em seemed very quiet after you were glad he survived so you could still record with him. Not that he was alive and well but that he could record

[@CLU7CHxCl7Y]

i been listening to em since i was 8 or 9 years old religiously' his music has a bit of everthing for all crowds' im 29 and i still listens to his music all day as im writing this im listening to "hello" his music gets me up and doing things instead of being lazy' makes me laugh and rock and get shit done! i know eminem wont see this but you change my life i have anxiety and when i listen your music i forgot about it' i appreciate all the years you made us all these gems and still going 20+ yeats later' keep rocking bro your fan base will always be here 💪🏼💪🏼🔥

[@Dr.Ugdealer]

Eminem you need to bring relapse 2 out please

[@genevievehawkins9856]

12:23 my grandfather loved#Hawaii He talked about it so much. He had radios from there. ❤❤

[@robertsuchy2369]

I really liked the rock sounds with Rubin I know alot of artist don't like him

[@ListenClub4Life]

Great interview! I wish Eminem would talk about recovery more!

[@Inconceivable-pb5hc]

When I feel like I'm outraged I just open up Relapse the whlee thing and just reciting after him all those songs. You feel like a pervertedest monster and just monster, and you can feel every inch of his grappling through your vessel because of the way that he delivers, one thing to rap the other thing is to align with the sadistic type of flow and beat, dark and nothing except dark. I love this bloody imagery that he represents. However when he was going through rough shit it wasn't that fun, but now it's worth it

[@jonesy401]

gotta have video for this

[@214Ro]

Just bought the Relapse vinyl record drop the bomb on em is a daaaam gem though it's on a remix album version. Love relapse album cover art

[@Jeco1245]

Relapse was a great album

[@BodyOfPlayMusic]

Nice pods!

[@trevorholm-laursen5272]

Awesome interview

[@teeg41]

So you guys showed us visuals promoting the interviews and then give us this? SHOW ME THE ACTUAL INTERVIEW. Fans want to see that. Come on, we gotta ask for that? Or am I missing something?

[@crystallicausi189]

🤣 the beginning

[@niharjaafarwv6199]

🤣🤣🤣

[@yungcrombie]

A show based on Eminem as an artist would basically be season 7 of Entourage

[@robensonbadette6102]

I don't care what he said but Relapse is f*king brilliant

[@TheDalifeblives]

Relapse arguably top 3 album for Em.

[@peterrprincemph]

This interview is fucking incredible never liked these podcast thing I literally hate it when Eminem interview comes out as podcast but this was fuckin incredible and we #stans waiting for the next album god

[@razzad8134]

I love you em so much your so funny 😂 your sense of humour always gets me