The only actual pay-to-lose skin in League of Legends

[@xandalmex2834]

I literally told you on stream about this 😂

[@holydiver6570]

Bro I just hope it doesn't take riot 3 years to fix this

[@holydiver327]

What the HELL is going on here??

[@andrewssilva3634]

it will never be fixed =)

[@onam3000]

Bro 3 years? Vandal Gragas animation canceling took 12 years to fix.

[@Vandiril]

I'd say 3 years sounds rather optimistic :D

[@Saint-Soren]

its been about 2 year and raptor camp aggro is still bugged for master yi and Viego. if they cant fix those, i doubt a bug on yorick will ever be fixed.

[@asugfhiu]

the real first pay to lose skin was hextech kassadin which added an effect showing where he would land when he r'd it was first only on that skin, but then they added it to base kassadin and every skin.

[@BrianSantosF]

True, but it wasn't as bad as this. The P2L is intensifying

[@lanfour4444]

Actual "It's a feature" moment.

[@jordanmisiura384]

I'll take a look at it.

[@davidsullivan2404]

It's like the one karthus skin that is purple and the abilities are a lot more clear so it's easier to dodge

[@CompraMais4]

Who is this? Is this some guy that works at riot?

[@kirl02]

It is totally unlike thay Karthus skin

[@asmallphd9648]

@@CompraMais4 no its just a guy ahaha

[@achopes]

@@asmallphd9648 Google his name

[@TruMaverick]

Vandiril: trust bro they never fix anythig

[@Vandiril]

Unless it's a store or RP bug x)

[@TruMaverick]

@Vandiril it is a honor to see you in my comment section

[@MoriMark]

@@Vandiril will you make a video about this?

[@Zyner0x]

@@Vandiril Crazy seeing vandiril under a random comment about him lmao totally wasnt expecting that

[@friendlyneighborhoodtotall1902]

@@Vandiril Vandie, your tongue went crazzzzy on my brownie last night, I love it when you do your tricks

[@brentrichards1200]

The little things that make high-level players on their mains show why they play that champ so much better.

[@hebertntwadumela5667]

This is one more example of Riot doing something to a character without understanding how the character is played.

[@antod1602]

How would Riot know about every little micro interaction on every champ ? This is such a fucking stupid comment, jfc

[@Nikita-qv8vk]

This is one more example of kido who has never done anything is his life starts yapping

[@hebertntwadumela5667]

@Nikita-qv8vk Projection?

[@dantealighieri2837]

@@Nikita-qv8vk For ur tik tok brain everything is yapping with that 3 sec attention spam

[@Mafilovy]

@@Nikita-qv8vk Your pfp fits you.

[@s4sausage135]

its because some skins force orientate you directly down so the camra can see the animation better most dont but some like the starguardian xayah and rakan i belive do it

[@BrianSantosF]

It should only be a visual thing though. Zero need to *actually* rotate the character, just incompetence

[@tommo4356]

@@BrianSantosF no because when theres almost 170 champions in the game, no one on the dev team is gonna have the thought that a) Yoricks facing direction would have a gameplay difference b) It would be something that anyone even uses while recalling so when the VASTLY easier option is to make the character face down, thats what they're gonna do. (If you don't believe me, the fact 15 years in and this is the first time its happened to my knowledge should be evidence enough)

[@BrianSantosF]

@@tommo4356 Hmm, who would have thought that changing the champion movement on a specific skin for no reason would cause a gameplay impact, and they actually had to check the champion skills before doing it, completely unpredictable, you're right, Riot's 100% innocent, it is common sense in game design that is wrong, and they actually should actually charge double for that skin for you to buy, sorry for my previous mistake

[@monsieurnugai]

@@BrianSantosFthey already said there was a reason, the fact that its easier. Yeah they COULDVE caught the mistake before it happened, but the animation team is seperate from the gameplay team, so niche interactions like this would be completely excusable for them to miss. Theres no reason to assume the worst all the time

[@tommo4356]

@BrianSantosF you're saying it like this is the first time they've made a champ face forward in a recall, but it's not, and the skin designers probably didn't know that maiden was coded to stand behind Yorick so they just made him face forward. And as for "who would have thought...", I can almost guarantee that until you saw this video, you've never thought about a champions facing direction in a recall having an effect on gameplay. If you did, good for you, you should get hired by riot so they never miss anything again

[@RoboGravekeeper]

Another skin that changes the gameplay a bit is Nightbringer Yasuo. Normally when you ult on Yasuo, the enemy is spun around with each slash of the Ult. With Nightbringer however, they stay facing Yasuo. This can be a huge problem if the champion has an ability that goes off in front of them i.e. Rumble's Q or Corki's E. Their ability will be hitting Yasuo during the whole Ult animation, where as in the base skin they will be rotated around and not be hitting the Yasuo during the whole Ult animation.

[@burtscher23]

best skin on yorick is and ever will be the meowrik black croma

[@Aitchless_Cris]

all the most new skins have an automatic "face the camera" for the recall, so that the recall animation is oriented properly. Other champs don't have this maiden mechanic tho, so this is the first time this feature is a problem

[@gsadmtp]

it still features a problem even without the maiden, Cassio ultimate, Shaco E and autos, yes it's very very specific, but it still applies, and shouldnt exist

[@xxxxxkiraxxxxx]

surprised you said this is the first pay-to-lose skin when dunkmaster darius had a significantly worse bug when playing vs. yorick, when darius would w yorick's w sometimes the animation would bug out and he would self-stun until either the yorick w disappears or darius w ends (4 second self stun btw), it happened with all darius skins for awhile and then after a bug fix only happened with dunkmaster for several years, was fixed around 2019ish

[@dmitrishostakovich3156]

There are some other skins that are pay to lose but in a different fashion. For example, the newest thresh skin, unlike the default skin, has a visualindicator for when his E passive is fully charged for the next auto attack. This indicator is visible to enemy champions, while the default threshskin does not have anything of the sort, making the skin pay to lose.

[@drachenaura]

I believe base skin's scythe starts glowing more and more, the further E is charged.

[@NameUnknown-]

I dont understand why they change actual orientation of the character *on* animation, they should be changing only the visual part there, but well, spagettios

[@gsadmtp]

not that simple, as I said in another comment, the fact your character turns when u back isnt a problem only if you have a maiden, cause it's also a problem in some very specific situations like cassio ult or shaco E and autos, or tryndamere W. But at the same time, if riot chose that even if the character turn toward the screen for the animation the real direction he's facing is where u were facing just before hitting the back button, then it would be a giga bait for these same champs, theu will think you're facing them while you're actually not...

[@NameUnknown-]

@gsadmtp you have a point there, but then there are a lot of champs who look arround and do some sort of turn arround on back animations, cant say i have checked them all, but pretty sure a cassio ult wont work it the direction they appear to be looking at So, yes, you are right, its not simple, and at the same time they are doing it in some cases and not doing it in others

[@gsadmtp]

@@NameUnknown- Im almost certain I had this situation once getting ulted by a cassio while backing and got stun even tho the direction I was facing before the back was toward my turret, might not work on every champ with that kind of recall tho

[@holydiver327]

Wait till pokerick see's the W that's easier to see.

[@josiah5653]

I noticed it day one too, and I like your little back bait to It's always a little laugh I was do excited for a yorick skin to...

[@birbbirb6428]

THATS WHYT MAIDEN KEEPS RUNNING WHENJ I BACK WHEN I NEED HER TO CLEAR

[@koburoki]

its a common actual standard nowadays, the recalls move your caracter to south of the screen so you can see the recall front to front, thats the reason why maiden is turning

[@alexsudati]

This is such an easy fix. Just set the player facing position during recall as the last position the character was before pressing the button, but play the animation as if Yorick is facing down. Then it won't affect the recall animation, and it will work with maiden. But I doubt they'll do that this year. Hope I'm wrong.

[@Xertuce]

Their code is so messy that doing that would probably engender 10 bugs on 50 others champs/skins

[@gsadmtp]

the fact is that it's not a "easy fix", not because it's hard to developp it in game, but because it would bring a new problem to the table. The fact your character turns toward the camera when he back is already a pay to lose thing, but in very specific situations (cassio ult, shaco E and autos, trynda W, etc.) but now if you chose to split the 2 things (animation and real facing direction) then that would be the opposite problem, that would bait players playing the champs I just mentionned. The best thing riot could do tbf, is just make the animations in a real 3D space, wich means the animation will differ when you face a different direction, wich is impossible cause there's too much skin to work on then... I know it's very stupid what Im saying here cause it's so specific and a lot of skin in the game are like this so maybe in the end it doesnt make a lot of differences, but in the end, this is still a problem

[@alexsudati]

@@gsadmtp I mean, between effing up Yorick and baiting enemies I pick baiting enemies lol. They can learn how Maiden works and compensate :D lol

[@LiveLikeaPunk]

it's sad when you understand the champions more than the actual company who made it.

[@antonioreconquistador]

Idk how thoroughly they playtest between pbe and live but something seems to always slip through

[@tommo4356]

I feel like its a lot easier for one person to fully understand the intricacies of a champion than have everyone in the company know every little thing about every champion. That's why the pbe exists, to test what the dev team don't have time to test, so if it's not reported on there, it likely wont get fixed before live.

[@sakuragenji9864]

@@antonioreconquistador 170 champs and idk how many items and mechanics, it's kinda natural that some things slip through, can't say it doesn't piss me off tho

[@lisan3627]

"The animator for a skin needs to know every piece of niche tech for the champion so they don't create tiny edge cases once every 200 releases." League players have such a terrible understanding of game design it's comical.

[@holandreas]

There has been some instances of bugs causing mechanical changes in certain skins before (like stopping midway through the air when taking a blast cone), but those have tened to be good

[@IIIlIl]

this also sounds like it would have implications for things such as Cassiopeia R being used against you while recalling. You get stunned instead of slowed even though you thought you were facing away from her

[@Trevan2412]

This is far from the first skin that turns the champions to face the camera during recall. Although I'll concede this is probably the most mechanically impacting. Yasuo juggles his enemies during ult, which means that if he ults Corki or Rumble their frontal AOE will go all over the place. Nightbringer Yasuo's ult makes the enmies face him only, which means that there is an actual mechanical difference with the other skins.

[@dk1031]

loving the santa hat

[@CatGuy969]

knew it would be the recall. Riven has a similar thing with her Newer battle bunny skin, which actually HELPS, and also has to do with her recall changing the direction she looks, letting you Q BEHIND YOU while you're running away!

[@CountZakula]

this happens more often than you'd think, count the timer in blood lord vlad autos vs other skins, notice how much faster teemo and vik can move while their autos are finishing, riot lacks proper game designers lately...

[@insertuncreativenamehere]

Does that just mean that if there was a bright star Yorick, the Maiden would do the opposite?

[@honeydontstruggle]

the down side to winning the cash prize of a competitive sport is that now you can buy this skin

[@poggmobile3010]

Ngl, I never know you to be using the clickbaity title so I fully believe it clicking into this vid and boy u did not disappoint. That tactic of your I also do it from time to time as necessary.

[@pavanramkissoon7370]

they center the champ so you can see the recall, lots of champs do it. i first noticed it when they updated morgana some years ago

[@LyrisTheCat]

star guardian neeko has a bug till this day that sometimes when getting out of base the movespeed boots NEVER GOES AWAY, regardless of your form.

[@onam3000]

There have been examples of mechanics working differently on skins. For example the Vandal Gragas animation cancel was well known for years and only got fixed earlier this year.

[@boyanyordanov5232]

im not sure if it still works but there was this weird Yasuo bug where if you use the nightbringer skin and you ult Rumble and he is using his flamethrower he would point it in one direction only where if u were using the base Yasuo skin Rumble would spin around whit his flamethrower while ulted

[@joemama370]

A large part of the pressure Yorick has in lane, is the ability to farm while backing, allowing you to not give up cs vs champs with good wave clear.

[@Braxtonkai]

Space wife doesn't listen to Father

[@PierogWithCheese]

Wow that's a very impressive avatar my guy.

[@therealsickcrom499]

But if Yorick doesn't turn towards the camera, how will you be able to admire such beautiful skin and recall...

[@whyisjaymeegtaken]

We could have had bee keeper yorick but instead we get this :'(

[@TheaArtsFox]

someone who can legitimaly call out for such weird odities are indeed mains of the champions. then I am amazed how something that may look harmless, can drastically affect a player performance. I don't pay much atention to that because i never play serious league, is too stressing, but I sometimes notice some weird stuffs with some skins facing the same character, often the visuals.

[@loomko]

This isn’t the first pulsefire ez q used to have a longer animation before his q shot not sure if it ever got fixed im sure there have been others I remember something about all but one Jax skin having animations that would somehow cancel auto attacks as well

[@gsadmtp]

theorically tho, any champ that changes the direction where he's facing while recalling is kind of a pay to lose thing. It will be only in very specific situation, but it still applies. Cassio ult / Shaco E and autos, are a good exemple of why recalls in skins shouldnt ever turn your character. And actually, if riot chose to let the character face the same direction it was facing before back even if the animation looks like he turns in another direction, it could also bait cassio or shaco players, wich would not be fair for them. Idk if yall get what I mean

[@warmtwinkle1962]

The recall animation probably uses some tricks to make it look better from one angle and has some issues if viewed from the side. Overwise I don't dee any reason to lock the orientation. Or maybe it's some spaghetti code usage that doesn't work overwise XD

[@KindredDoomBot]

I wonder if this applies to Sylas. I think his Dark Star skins also has him face him a certain way on recall animation.

[@phantomhesh8095]

Something similar happens to I think nightbringer yasuo. Basically normal yasuo ult spins the enemy around, whereas this skin keeps them facing you constantly. This isnt that big a deal, but there is one scenario in which rumble presses q and shreds the yasuo pressing r, since the rumble and yas are now stuck facing eachother for like a second, whereas normally rumble q would spin around and only hit a little bit.

[@Demoneye097]

I'm pretty sure the damage is the same but if your teammates is nearby congratulations everyone is on fire

[@comicallystoic]

that's def a bug that didn't get caught/considered

[@puma5061]

100% possible to fix it they can lock maiden movement the moment recalling started

[@eduardoramosdiniz1440]

It's interesting because i play tank yorick so the only thing that i need to avoid is the maiden dying so i abuse this to make her retreat very often

[@_FirstLast_]

That maiden interaction with the skin is really unfortunate. I doubt its on their priority to fix. There's a LOT of other champ recall and emote animations that reset the character facing on use, its actually not that uncommon. That's why I doubt they will do anything about it. It's easier for them to just allow the accidental erase of a niche game mechanic than rework code.

[@SirKittersII]

Riven has a bunch of skins that change her combos

[@mvsas3629]

just bought that skin thank you man

[@8itesize]

I wonder if this affects the Cassio R orientation

[@NotYedo]

the ARAM only yorick skin

[@Antonino902]

Most recent skins do this, they should remove it impacting champion orientation at all. Cassio literally having a laning advantage playing in red side lmao, you have always a guaranteed stun if you ult someone recalling.

[@garailac]

Pulsefire cait (as good as it looks) litterally screams that she has headshot ready. While this one in theory is a much bigger change, in practice i think you still lose more with the cait skin

[@tinorudi4196]

actually this has been a thing for a long while, champions facing the camera when recalling. but yea i guess it doesnt work with Yorick

[@xeakpress]

As a velKoz player that only owns Ark Light I feel yer pain brother. Not to this degree, but I know what you mean

[@Alherion]

whats wrong with that skin??

[@xeakpress]

@Alherion velkoz's abilities look like fissures in the ground from the planet being ripped open or an explosion. This hides the actual size of his skill shots, making in many cases easier to land. This matters a lot as you usually want to try and proc your passive as often as possible so a free W or Q goes a long way toward that. Instead of doing the same thing on Ark light, they replaced them with runes drawn on the ground that fit inside nice and neat perfect golden rectangles and circles. Go look at the W on all of his skins. The Ark light one pops more, and the particle effects are more persistent.

[@sipofsunkist9016]

To your credit, this isn't that click baity lol. I've played this game for 14 years and never knew that about yorik. It would not surprise me if this slipped an artist's mind. Hopefully they do fix it tho!

[@tm_k41zar80]

Tbf there are skins that change more then the sounds or looks. Some sins change the feel, ex supergalxy rumbel

[@rsDeathkid]

not the first time, ex OG Vandal Gragas ( was fixed this year iirc )

[@sssveden]

That sucks because the skin looks really good, especially compared to all those new fake dark star skins with human faces (like Kai'sa). This one actually looks similiar to those from Dark Star Thresh times

[@ShentinelSan]

If they fix it poppy Q will smack enemy on the whole map again

[@E621_Rule34]

They got a worse one for ekko's last stand skin. It tanks you AND your teamates fps. Dosent effect enemies unless sylas steals his ult. In that case it only effects the sylas.

[@onam3000]

Bruh that's actually a major fuckup by riot

[@blinkmaxim]

yeah that is not clickbait, that is kinda sad, because the skin is pretty awesome Especially if you bought it before knowing this thing

[@lionmon-ej8qu]

blackfrost anivia's wall doesnt work very well since release

[@jobro8293]

they do it all the time

[@muhammied]

Does dark star yorick have a unique maiden theme like most of his other skins?

[@DerayYG]

The only skin? Omega Squad Teemo exists

[@Anjure_Danjure5092]

This is my main skin right now

[@traxgotsnax]

In my opinion with the dark star yorick the e also feels less long (hitbox)

[@J-J-GYT]

As a Swain Main I use a chroma for his rose stuff. Looks so nice enemys often forget Im not on there side XD

[@808xander]

That's unfortunate. Modern skin recalls orient themselves to face down for the animation. I didn't think it would be a problem until I saw this video haha

[@spirit_fox2.03]

Can't you just turn around and instantly recall so she stay between you and the enemy ? I can't try that i have no skin. >:(

[@gxmbi4528]

no its not the first time a skin has change mechanically yasuo nightbringer r abillity works different than the base skin

[@jooeybabbabooey]

this is better, they should make all yorick skins like that, recalling shouldnt be a combat strategy.

[@blawnie9330]

Just like some emote that will make Character facing to Player. But this just affect to game play. Riot😭😭

[@ngwaitshing6653]

I never know u can do that🤯

[@mercylavigne]

This changes absolutely nothing. Next

[@jakefocht5715]

Im missing how this is a lose.

[@Baark0]

it would be a yorick skin thats pay 2 lose

[@merdricon]

Actually nightbringer yasuo is the first skin that changes how the champ works mechanically kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaW5lpqmj893n7M

[@SiriusMuller16]

It is the same thing woth yasuo btw but yasuo has even worse bug on the spirit blossom skin when you click ctrl+3 the charcter immediatly faces the other direction, its dumb and useless in yasuo eventhough its funny But try it on the yorick might actually work

[@mrghostmrghost6469]

no one is playing him in riot , simple

[@expepem189xl3]

I wanted to yell about early animation of Ziggs skin, but holy s*** this is much more f*** up.

[@VeigarEUW]

I´m a veigar otp, I think I have never won a game with elderwood veigar.... Idk what it is but it feels like veigar loses 30% damage with this skin

[@sirPokerick]

:D

[@PassanCat]

Meanwhile, one of Yasuos skins does NOT spins the enemy around diring his ult Legit pay to win.

[@eleos_22]

LITERALLY pay to lose

[@fancypants2182]

Riot please fix

[@tacosforus1688]

Riot!

[@olegezic4209]

i wont say its "pay to lose" but yeah. This is so dumb

[@DarkerKitsune]

dont worry guys, Riot has over 200 years of Coding and game development skills between all the Dev's

[@sobreaver]

But you paid to learn the hard way >.> Maybe they didn't know/noticed, let's see now if anything will be done about it, which is most likely not going to be the case, cause I dunno, ask Rito >.>

[@gLemonn]

This is more a problem of how poorly coded maiden is rather than the skin. Sad they will never fix it.

[@UserName-vt8ly]

i got this for free the day it came out n felt like it was bad luck so i poofed it into orange essence. glad i did. bad AND ugly

[@pickthenick1]

At least it's worth it :D

[@АмирАдиль-б8ц]

Its a huge deal

[@RiomaWF]

Rito plz

[@isnortjarsofdirt6004]

Eh, still gonna use it, but I hope riot fixes it

[@Helaman1111]

Deserved for playing Yorick

[@Mletto]

uh