Sisko's New Starship: The USS Theseus

[@anarchyantz1564]

Having people like Scotty, Torres and LaForge playing around with this is pretty much an engineering dream team.

[@jamesscott305]

Only missing O’Brian

[@ocellatus100]

And Nog.@@jamesscott305

[@grimaldusgonzalez6122]

​​@@jamesscott305probably would have 1k likes if he included O'Brian

[@GSBarlev]

Scotty and B'Elanna would have been at each other's throats for half the day, while LaForge desperately tried to play the peacemaker. Then they'd all go out to (a) Quark's after work, and Scotty and Torres would be up drinking Geordi under the table and swapping war stories until closing time.

[@brianstiles1701]

The whole comic series is a dream team. Sisko's crew draws from every Trek show. Even Shaxs (pre-LD) is on his crew.

[@smiddlehurst1]

Gotta say I love how so many bits of canon-adjacent lore have Scotty arriving in the next-gen era be a significant factor in the shift in ship design from floating hotel to, well, the Sovereign class and the like. Probably a good thing he and The Sisko were never in the same design lab at the same time, the result would have likely put a significant dent in Starfleet’s torpedo supply….

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

Worf approves of this and will now make it his personal mission to unite this two legendary ship designers so he can fire ALL the torpedoes.

[@bearnaff9387]

@@KnightsWithoutATable Fortunately, the Starfleet Plot Department exists to thwart Worf in any of his attempts to solve problems. His natural common sense and directness are carefully kept in check so all problems aren't solved immediately when they arise.

[@KnightsWithoutATable]

@@bearnaff9387 Unless the problem can be solved through doing something only a Klingon can do.

[@mothafraker]

The secondary hull seems a bit too long. Looks too much like a freighter.

[@Lazarus1095]

Eh, I used to like the Theseus but these days it just hasn't been the same ship as it used to be.

[@dartacus7759]

Boom!

[@jonathanperez7663]

And that's how you do comedy.

[@jamesallred460]

Lol!

[@TheAsvarduilProject]

I see what you did there.

[@henrylockhart495]

You win

[@bearnaff9387]

Oh god, it's my parents in starship form! Growing up, my family was on the upper end of working class or the lower end of middle class. My parents were both sci-fi fans and very pro-technology. This meant that we adopted a lot of technologies very early in their development. For example, we had a 31" color television and VHS VCR in 1978-9. The console TV was covered with vinyl woodgrain, titanic, and came with a bay for placing the VCR in and tape storage. The VHS VCR could record to tape with either two-hour OR four-hour mode. Note: VHS eventually settled on _three_ recording formats, fitting 2, 4 or 6 hours on a standard tape. The problem was that while we could occasionally afford to adopt something earlier than most folks, we couldn't afford to replace it readily when the kinks in the new technology were worked out. Growing up was mostly a matter of dealing with technologies that didn't quite do what they were supposed to, compared to my peers who got everything much later and in better shape.

[@Dan19870]

With this ships systems being frequently replaced, it's almost certainly travelling from fleet yard to fleet yard within the Federation. During that time, Starfleet should have sent this out full of engineer cadets so they can get hands on experience and see how other Federation worlds tackle engineering issues.

[@DaveMastor]

The nerd in me would like to see that as a series; but it would never be made for many obvious reasons. Still seeing a show or series about cadets on an engineering ship tackling engineering related problems would be a cool concept.

[@SKy_the_Thunder]

As a testbed for new and classified technologies you probably don't want cadets prodding around at it.

[@Kronosfobi]

@@DaveMastor Issue is it would be full of Trek's technobabble due to obvious reasons. And apperantly many Trek fans hate those technobabbles.

[@jacara1981]

It reminds me of the Sea Shadow (IX-529), its a US Navy test ship they built to try various technologies that have since moved on to other ships.

[@rlift]

Hahaha! You mention the Sea Shadow and I look to the right and a video of the Sea Shadow is in my recommended list!

[@patrick_j_lee]

I think that this would be a fun hero ship for a series. Have the crew test new wacky technology in each episode, and deal with the repercussions, wile remaining in Federation space. could be a good way to explore Federation worlds and cultures, fleshing out the "known parts of space", which in reality we don't always know too much about. I also love the idea of this being Scotty's personal tinkering ship XD

[@hogfry]

Can we get a Chimera Video? Nog deserves his day in the sun.

[@BNuts]

Aye, I miss Captain Nog.

[@golgarisoul]

I'm so exited for you to cover this comic series!

[@bull614]

I always find ships like this very interesting. They can show you all the different lines of research the various factions look into. Wish they had more like them. Great video. Thank you

[@alexanderdeburdegala4609]

I love how the use of " markers " is still alive and well in Federation designs lol 😂😂😂

[@ImNtDead]

I like the elongated engineering section. Reminds me of the Aegean Class from Star Trek Armada II

[@DarinorSteven]

You nailed it so hard with the comic adaptation variant! You rock Rick! Happy Solstice dude!

[@Califoryan]

Great job, Rick. I really enjoyed this one.

[@sobemonster]

I love the nod towards the Oberth style here

[@madj.7379]

Happy Christmas bro. I don't comment much and I don't press like on videos much. But you have gotten me through the very worst year of my life. Thank you.

[@stormycatmink]

The US Navy had a very similar vessel for submarine technology research, the USS Dolphin. Rather interesting all the things they put on it to try out, before they were put on ships dedicated to those systems. Just like the ship mentioned here, it was a one of a kind research ship; but not in the area of exploration of the map, but exploration of technologies for future submarines.

[@Pintheshadows]

The comic run is fantastic. Star Trek: Defiant too.

[@shogun2215]

It kind of looks like an upgraded Oberth class

[@darthhauler9947]

That's my thought, the nacelles are just more outboard than the Oberth. I prefer the variant Arkley class which has the gap removed from the saucer and secondary hulls and wouldn't mind having a slightly different secondary hull where the deflector array is more exposed as well along with a rearward shuttle bay like on the Constitution class. I'd treat mine mine like a freighter and passenger ship, with a small crew to maintain it and just roam known space since I wouldn't have the shields or weapons to fight the unknown but it'd do me.

[@jeremydale4548]

And one NOT made of Explodium

[@vistaredgt]

So the Theseus was used more like a 'Proof of Concept' type of ship before a more specifically dedicated ship for said technology was produced.

[@vic5015]

Speaking of the Theseus thought experiment: the "refit" of USS Titan and USS Stargazer.

[@kryptoknightmk1]

I love the sound of the ship. It basically seems like an updated take on the Challenger from the book Indistinguishable From Magic. A testbed ship made from a galaxy class ship. Scott had a hand in it, Geordi got brought on for a while. Iirc he even captained the ship for a bit.

[@deathstrike]

It's actually got an Oberth Class vibe to it. Basically a supercharged gunboat that when you need massive firepower in a pinch, it's available. And while I think this is an interesting ship, it's no Defiant by any stretch. Sisko was right, "She was the finest ship I ever served on, there will never be another one like her again". And while I admire and respect Scotty, Geordi, and B'Elanna, and their vast engineering expertise, I have my doubts that they would permit a ship like this with a slower warp capability, powerful but short duration phasers, and more bugs than a bait store, to ever leave a spacedock. If anything ,Sisko would either request another Defiant Class, or at least something that doesn't look like it was made with the Utopia Planetia Lego Set. Perhaps with a better warp drive, reliable phasers and quantum torpedo loadout, and heavier emphasis on armor and perhaps a saucer separation (Seems it would be a cool ship without the lower engineering hull) and you might have what Sisko would deem "worthy" of commanding.

[@literalsarcasm1830]

I really like the concept for this ship. It's the embodiment is self improvement.

[@Jayjay-qe6um]

I hope will see the USS Theseus, or at least a Discovery-class cruiser in Lower Decks, or Prodigy, or a new Star Trek show.

[@gislasson]

awesome video sir thanks!

[@riptide8350]

This was a fun video on an odd looking ship

[@neophobicnyctophile8264]

The ship that had every part replaced several times over and created a philosophical paradox? Is is still covered under the warranty?

[@KatanisPSN]

I would like to get this is STO. Something about the design. Classic, yet something new.

[@michaelkeha]

Wish granted

[@lovipoekimo176]

I always love Federation ships with unusual saucer shapes

[@kungfuwitcher7621]

Interesting design, really like the look of it.

[@fgabrieltomas]

Honestly, it's really hard, at least on the shows/movies, to differentiate the capabilities of ships. They all look more or less and have basically the same weapons - though 'power' of each is really hard to discriminate between. The only reason people love the E and its variations is familiarity.

[@3Rayfire]

Well, there are exceptions to every rule. The Defiant is incredibly distinct with her compact size and phaser cannon fighting style. Discovery and the Spore Drive are unique as basically a teleporting starship. The Protostar and it's protowarp are a visual spectacle. There's also instances of the fact that Starfleet technology has an organic, but linear growth pattern. And you rarely see different generations tested together. For instance one occasion is the Battle of Khitomer where the Enterprise-A got beat up and burned whereas the Excelsior newer stronger, better shields came through the battle generally unscathed with no battle damage.

[@Alpha_Digamma]

I'm pretty sure people actually did like the Sovereign's hull design. Just like people like the Akira design.

[@kcdodger]

I thought the E was extremely cool. What is this, "The only reason" crap?? It's a beautiful ship.

[@3Rayfire]

@@kcdodger I think they meant the Enterprises in general. The Sovereign class is absolutely gorgeous. My personal favorite.

[@michaelkeha]

Well they came from actually good shows and movies so yes people like them more than the trash we get now

[@feralprocessor9853]

Thanks endeavor gaming

[@zippygundoo5852]

Great video as usual, thanks

[@jtfbreedlove]

A ship designed by most of the "protagonist" engineers(save O'Brien) had better be badass.

[@cjrecord]

...if the MARA column is in the second hull, what sort of roundabout lunacy is needed to get power of any sort to the nacelles?!

[@jackweiss7441]

This all sounds like it would make for a fantastic tv show

[@John.S92]

0:42 still "No I said I don't want a hug!" or "No I don't like you 'that' way"

[@hudsonball4702]

Basically this ship was the equivalent to the Cook's "Taste tester " when trying out new recipes. If it tasted good enough then it would be moved on to an official cook to continue refining It. If it tasted bad then well it was thrown out.

[@jaredcolon4535]

I really like the 3d animated model more than the 2d comic

[@nhpdps6406]

It's funny because looking at it I'm getting a Yorktown class vibe from the tail end of Enterprise era leading into the beginning of the original series although the Yorktown class only appeared to my knowledge and Star Trek legacy

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

Please regularly re-release this video with tiny variations.

[@ptonpc]

Strangely enough I never rated Torres as a gifted engineer. To me, she seemed to be average at best. More a case of "She's the one we have" instead of "She's the best one" The ship looks interesting. Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to you and yours.

[@Nx57ytre]

She managed to keep Voyager running for seven years in the Delta Quadrant in addition to managing to incorporate new improvements and help develop the Delta Flyer. To me she is not an engineer like Scotty or La Forge, but more like an experienced mechanic.

[@3Rayfire]

Torres is really good, recreating an ancient power source that two factions of AI couldn't reproduce, sabotaging a Cardassian strategic missile, twice, keeping Voyager running for seven years. They focused more on how headstrong she was and polishing off her rough edges and her incredible rebelliousness as both a Klingon and a Maquis, but she was an excellent engineer with a keen mind. That's how she got the job, otherwise Carey would've been Chief Engineer.

[@kaitlyn__L]

@@Nx57ytreintegrating all that technology is no mean feat, even O’Brien struggled with that

[@joelreyes4886]

If you could cover the Archer class that would be amazing! One of my favorite ships and I hope they bring it to SNW

[@GregJ1634]

Nice overview. I like the ship's concept and much of the execution, but ultimately the design doesn't really work for me. The secondary hull seems a bit too long and boxy, and the warp nacelles are mounted a bit too far forward - but I could get past most of that. What really annoys me is the modern trend to introduce weird "voids" into the design - in this case having a big chunk of the saucer section missing right behind the bridge - but then having a weird connector between to auxiliary impulse engines? I'm not saying the saucer always needs to be perfectly round, but if you think about what that would mean practically when trying to traverse from one side to another, it seems like a poor design. Why sacrifice the space to build something LESS efficient? The modern design ethos seems to be governed by "rule of cool" - design something that looks interesting, and then figure out how it works.

[@earlware4322]

Yeah, I see what you are saying, "negative space" seems to be all the rage in ship designs lately. I think that this ship could really be better looking if the saucer was solid and the neck connection was a bit smoother. Overall, I do like this look though. While there are aspects of a couple different classes embodied in this design, it handled them in a new and unique way.

[@_Omega_Weapon]

Pretty cool ship, I'd personally alter the look/shape of the secondary hull but still nice overall (I'd like it much bigger though;)👍🖖

[@SikSlayer]

What happened to the other video? Did it get flagged or something??

[@Jch79]

Too bad Eaglemoss isn’t around anymore because I would love a model of this ship.

[@valor1omega]

Just take a stick and glue a modified Miranda on it.

[@indubitably_elementary965]

Nice looking ship.

[@kristopherkingston6309]

this is asome. I know the nova was designed to take over for the Oberth class, but I feel this would have been a good choice for the replacement or at least a strong contender.

[@BatPotatoes]

It's got strong oberth vibes. Somewhere between an oberth and saber class

[@gbspikyfish]

See also the sister ship... the USS Trigger's Broom

[@warwolf88]

this ship is really cool

[@bloodmantis1]

It’s pretty neat looking ship

[@chrisalberry3917]

Did they replace every piece & build a second ahip from them?

[@marshallhuffer4713]

I first heard of the Ship of Theseus from watching WandaVision where Vision and White Vision discuss who is the true Vision.

[@CristySFM1234]

Would love to see you cover the century class aka the og enterprise f (at least the og concept pre sto)

[@ditzydoo4378]

a ship that never saw something new and shiny it didn't want for. ^~^

[@vic5015]

I mean, with all of the alien technologies and systems added to Votager, that ship us one-of-a-kind as well.

[@bigbywolf586]

My issue with ships like this is the fact that they always seem to have ALL of the available technology… and I do mean ALL of it. Fanboy ships are always way over powered, capable of everything, fit every single role, and could take out the entire Borg collective, the Dominion and and and and and all by itself.

[@kittehgo]

And still be home in time for lunch..

[@Joseph1701-A]

I wish TMP Enterprise Refit would be tripled in size, and upgraded with the technology of the 25th Century ships what a glorious ship she would be.

[@ericmadsen7470]

Merry Christmas Certifiably Ingame.

[@mikesaporitojr3313]

How did you make this ship in STO?

[@cliffcorson4000]

now they just need to make Scotty's idea of a warship

[@critter30002001]

Regardless of whether a canon one exists with this name, it is a very valid concept that should be flushed out eventually.

[@EGRJ]

It took me way too long to realize why she had such a large Engineering Section.

[@ffnbbq]

I was wondering if you managed to get one in a gamblebox until you mentioned Endeavour.

[@shizzymac6622]

Please do a review on the comic and aswell as worf defiant comic nobody is covering these on any of my star trek KZbin subscriptions big fan enjoy all your videos

[@Phil-D83]

Strange looking ship

[@dernudel1615]

That's an interesting ship. It's just too bad that STO had to make it a lockbox ship, the bastards. You should do a breakdown of some of the Caitian ships, especially ones like the Atrox and the Aspero.

[@auricstorm]

Reminds me of an Orberth, which is my favourite class

[@matthewdavies2057]

So, nearly every system on that ship is unstable? Why would The Emissary want a mess like that? At least the Defiant was just overpowered.

[@dupersuper1938]

He'd just returned from years in the wormhole: he's lucky they had any free ship to give him when he needed one.

[@Stopdeletingmycomments]

Do you remember the Defiant being introduced? It was an unstable mess.

[@longWriter]

Nice, but I have to wonder: where are the torpedo launchers on this unit?

[@sinjinolivier3016]

No offense but I kinda see a twist of the USS Titan design, with the USS Grissam, technically I only had brief talks about this class and I like its design it might get a shine in years to come I'm stoked.

[@Maniac536]

Do the uss righteous from Star Trek: Borg (excelsior class)

[@nullc0ntext]

Sure he's now got the Thesarus, however you failed to mention even ONE synonym for it. Keep that up and i'll have my hired goons MERRIAM and WEBSTER come over and do a drive-by spelling bee on ya.

[@Yandarval]

Rik is protected by gentlemen with the names of Harper, Collins and Oxford.

[@peterq1978]

or of British people of a certain age, Triggers Broom!!!

[@richardstone5552]

Thanks

[@thegreenlightbulb6573]

Can you do a video on STD's Hoover Class.

[@FirstNameLastName-okayyoutube]

Did I hear correctly that that special substance is what destroyed Romulus sun. Maybe maybe I misheard

[@HasturBeta]

It's starting to feel like starfleet ONLY makes one of a kind ships now.

[@DrewLSsix]

Just because the shows and stories star special ships doesn't mean we don't see plenty of standard ships in the fleet. Thanks the Picard we have a good idea of what the early 25th century fleet looks like and it consists of a lot of standardized designs that fill general roles. Even in that show all the hero ships are regular ships, the Titan A/Enterprise G is just a run of the mill medium sized ship, it's most stand out feature is its pretty well endowed in sublight engines. The new Stargazer is again a pretty basic ship just like its namesake. The Ceritos and her ilk are the very definition of regular ships, the Resolute is a common smallish ship with little to distinguish it from any other ship. I could go on.

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

Looks very much like the Ageian class from the Star Trek Armada 2 computer game.

[@AVClarke]

I'm not feeling the design. It looks like a bunch of assorted parts from different starships thrown together. I get that it's supposed to be experimental, but I don't think it works as a 'hero' ship.

[@dougkeyes4406]

Futuristic highlighters make a reappearance

[@Lurker101Gaming]

Are you sure it's still the same ship, or are all of the old parts still the USS Theseus with all of the new parts making a new and different ship? If not, and if all of the old parts were reassembled into the USS Theseus, would that be the true USS Theseus or would the newer ship still be the USS Theseus, or would they both the the USS Theseus? Which ship is truly the ship of Theseus?

[@Alpha_Digamma]

You know how starfleet "refits" work. Keep the ship plague and replace everything else. Including the general hull shape as it happened with the USS Titan "refit".

[@drakkondarkspell]

How many times does it have to be repaired before it isn't the USS Theseus anymore?

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Oprah: everyone gets a free ship!

[@CalGarian-qn9pw]

Did Tom Paris LS swap this ship?!

[@CorvoFG]

Can we hear more about the comic series, pls? I wasn’t aware it existed.

[@DegeneragentX]

It hasn't ben going on long. Starting off with a short story in IDW's "Star Trek #400 in which something is killing gods, or higher beings- including the Prophets from DS9 who sends Sisko back with the mission to stop the god-slaughter with very vague instructions. When meeting Picard, Sisko asks specifically for the Theseus, a ship a lot of people aren't supposed to know about. With questions about Sisko's capabilities and loyalities, Picard assigns Commander Data as Ben's first officer and Beverly Crusher as CMO to keep him grounded and honest. #14 came out last week. It already has it's own spin-off: "Star Trek: Defiant", which crossovered with each other in the "Day of Blood" event which...was a thing. 2 hardcover collections are already available: "Godshock" and "The Red Path", along with "Defiant" vol 1 and the "Day of Blood" collection coming out in March. They're good reads, even if falling into the Beta-cannon pitfall of "Everything has to be a reference of call-back to an episode or movie". What I think is fun; IDW Trek is starting to callback to other IDW trek books. DoB had a call back to the recent "The Motion Picture" miniseries, and "Defiant" is circling to a plot from "Star Trek: Year Five"

[@dupersuper1938]

IDW has had the Star Trek license for a while now. Their two current ongoing series are "Star Trek" and "Star Trek: Defiant". These two titles are closely linked. Star Trek started after the Star Trek #400 special (some one at IDW figured that if you counted up all the DC, Marvel, Gold Key, Wildstorm, Malibu, and IDW Star Trek comics they were coming up on the 400th issue, so they made a special for the occasion: an anthology with a bunch of short stories, the last of which was a prelude to the current series). It's set in 2378 specifically because the writer said they wanted a time when "all the toys were in the toybox", as it were, and that year is after Voyager's return but before Data's death (and even has Jim Kirk still flying around if you go by the Shatner/Reeves-Stevens novels). The main series has characters from TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager, a descendant of one of the characters from Enterprise, and even one of the characters from Lower Decks (being seen a couple years before that series began). Defiant spun-off from that series early on and has a similarly patchwork cast. IDW has also published many other series and mini-series since getting the license, including Picard's Academy, Holo-Ween, a mini directly following TMP, two Strange New Worlds minis, a Discovery mini, a Lower Decks mini, an anthology series, a pretty long running ongoing and a few minis following the Kelvin crew, Leonard McCoy: Frontier Doctor, a Gary 7 mini, a couple DS9 minis, several TOS era photo-comics and more.

[@setojurai]

So... how many parts HAVE been replaced on that starship?

[@hanksbest-frend2491]

Has Starfleet incorporated a slipstream drive into any of there new ships yet? (Cannon or non-cannon wise)

[@artbrann]

it's in use on a ship in Prodigy(Prodigy is canon right?), the USS Dauntless, with one Admiral Janeway in command yes, the Federation built a real one, based largely on the scans from the fake, which is then commanded by the person who's crew got those scans... I am not sure they could have made a bigger Easter egg if they tried

[@hanksbest-frend2491]

@@artbrann thanks, the fact that they were going to drop that type of technology was really messing with my inner nerd brain 🧠

[@artbrann]

@@hanksbest-frend2491 it made sense to not be in Voyager besides cutting the show's theme(time for the trip home), they show it wasn't something they could retrofit onto Voyager and it's not like there was a good show set after Voyager between then and Prodigy now if you want to discuss alternative speed sources that don't use dilithium, Discovery is the worst one for forgetting tech exists, the Romulans had artificial singularity drives(mini artificial black holes)

[@SHADOSTRYKR]

The “New” space Canoe

[@convolutedconcepts]

Star trek online when?

[@RandyBaumery-s4i]

Technically every Starship that has had maintenance done on it is the ship of Theseus.

[@mickeyholding7970]

This ship has a strong resemblance to the Oberth class.

[@feralprocessor9853]

Pretty cabable ship prototype

[@Flight--tz5nf]

Seems to me it would do best in a science role rather than anything else.

[@BloodBlight]

That's my kinda ship. :)

[@yodaslovetoy]

U.S.S. Sisko's pimphand mk2?

[@evos469]

Mk3

[@sanderrod9917]

Sisko? He is in the wormhole

[@captainzac24]

I like the non-cannon stuff. At this point if it's cannon I probably know it back to front