Sister Wives - Maddie Discusses Childhood Poverty And The Cult She Grew Up In On Her Podcast!

[@realiteasquad]

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[@laurieerickson7205]

Except for Kody’s specific baldness, I’m guessing?

[@sivainhale]

I'm seriously struggling with thinning hair, especially since I've been losing weight with Wegovy. Does this stuff really work? Is it worth it?

[@shaxnerd418]

I still cannot get over Robyn’s audacity in telling the older Brown kids what they could and couldn’t do after the move to Vegas. She knew those kids for all of five minutes and was talking over their moms like she was fully in charge. Absolutely wild.

[@tammycampbell2138]

And Sobyn is the quiet shy wife? Weve been here for 19 seasons & still watching & listening to his filthy lies!

[@lindab.716]

Well we all know Robyn (child of side piece never living polygamy) is the expert on polygamy 🤬

[@karenthorngren3460]

My question why the mothers allowed her to speak to their children like she does.

[@dawn_bestofj2]

Spill all the tea, Maddie. I wish one of the kids would write a book.

[@ShellBAtoms]

I suspect that when the show ends, there might be more details revealed. We know that no one has spilled the deets about Meri's behavior, most likely for fear of "Duggar-ing" the SW show. I appreciate how Maddie has chosen this format to share some of her story at this time. Mad respect for Maddie!

[@bethanylist7648]

i’m so proud of maddie calling it a cult! it is and that’s great for her to take her power back in naming it.

[@ShellBAtoms]

I've always been super impressed with Maddie. She's always been intelligent, caring, strong, and insightful. And is such a wonderful, loving mom. Yep. The AUB is a cult. Maddie calls it like it is.

[@PageGrey-u2z]

This when Hunter was super depressed, I was super concerned about him when he had to move to Vegas. I felt for him. It was so sad.

[@Imzadi]

The amount of trauma Kody has caused so many people is criminal.

[@Indigo565]

That's when going to Christine's house and cuddling Truely was his safe space. Robyn even got on him for that. There was a clip where she was like he needs to come spend time with Solomon. Like witch, you're one of the contributors to his mental struggles. Why would he want to be around you?

[@sandraevans7246]

@@Indigo565Robyn is a super witch. Her and Kody destroyed the family. I personally don’t know how Janelle can even stand to be around him.

[@HannahRobinson-c5m]

I think Paedon took it the worst. Not sure he ever recovered. Yes. Kody has a lot to answer for.

[@Indigo565]

@HannahRobinson-c5m with the exception of Truely who was just straight up ignored by Kody, all the kids were affected.

[@Spinsterwife]

As a mental health professional who worked in a prison, the most charismatic people I've known were actual sociopaths.

[@Imzadi]

I think Kody definitely fits the bill. He is so unhinged and dangerous with/to the people closest to him. He is haphazard and careless with money. He’s impulsive and has ideas of grandeur. He is a truly sick man.

[@thankfulme2]

I was going to comment that Charles Manson was described as charismatic and look at the chaos that followed him. Charismatic is not a term that I would consider a complement

[@China-Clay]

Yep, that’s how they climb the totem pole

[@BerryHair405]

@@Imzadi Also worked in mental health...What's upsetting about Kody and sociopaths in general is that they see themselves as pariahs and visionaries and have a coterie of enablers. The wives can admit that Kody is problematic and charismatic, but I don't think they're owning up to the depth of (personality) dysfunction.

[@Sammipoe-q4z]

Very true

[@Sail392]

Robyn had been in that family for five minutes and was yelling at other ppl’s kids about their religious freedom. She was calling the shots for Kody from day one.

[@vanessawright5569]

And then she doesn't even let her own girls pick their own church as adults... She has to go with them to check it out Controlling much?

[@luvzdogz]

Caleb saying he is proud of Janelle was touching.

[@ShellBAtoms]

Agreed. I have so much respect for both Maddie and Caleb.

[@mgarner1227]

yes it was.

[@truthhurts3709]

Lots of kids learn from their parent's example how NOT to live. Sounds like Maddie is one. She seems to have a good head on her shoulders.

[@abbybrown638]

That wasnt robyns child, idk why she thinks she got to talk to janelles child like that over church. Again, janelle is just a better person than me. Robyn doesnt get a vote as the mistress.

[@alexandrabrill4060]

And now it’s no big deal for Robyn to have a discussion with her daughters about switching religions like they are switching where to shop? LOL unbelievable!

[@Tamika-dq6ze]

Honestly, you’re probably a better person than Janelle was in that situation because it sounds like you wouldn’t have allowed Robyn to say those things to your kid in that way

[@heather1778]

Imagine if one of the OG had spoken to Robyn’s kids that way.

[@taylormcd5444]

@@heather1778the tears would flood the room Edit: wait I forgot she doesn’t shed tears 🤨

[@joerudnik9290]

Was that ‘sweet’ ‘shy’ Robyn voicing her opinion?😂😂😂😂

[@bunnybunny3536]

It’s so nice when you showed those old clips of Robyn where she was so timid and barely came out of her shell lmao. I just love how consistent she is and is applying the same rules to her daughters today that she screeched at Maddy back then lolol

[@ShellBAtoms]

😂

[@ronniea6066]

You’re so right @bunnybunny3536. You can really see why Kody describes Robyn as his shy, quiet wife 😂😂

[@maggieholt6778]

There is absolutely no way Kody is making 10k a month after the show ends, and I honestly think we're closing in. When the show is done that house'll be on the market again the next year.

[@cheryllevalley929]

Narcissists have such a false sense of security and grandiosity. My ex was somewhat similar as in making really stupid ‘big’ financial decisions. At his age, and considering the realistc ending of this show, how will he ever be able to pay that mortgage after the series ends?

[@shrimpgeisha]

I think he's planning on Robyn's kids living at the house and paying rent to supplement their income.

[@RachelSaker2]

And kody states he makes $200 a hour . Yeah please and the sky is purple

[@AnahataMaryjane]

@@shrimpgeisha omg could you imagine having to support them financially but still having to live under kody and robyn's 'rules' while continuing to be subservient towards them??

[@passing4normal]

I think Robyn never wanted her children to be 'exposed' to the OG13 and their beliefs or disbeliefs. Can you imagine Aurora telling Robyn that Maddie told her the AUB is a cult? These ADULT women are just so sheltered and brainwashed, the only way that K&R can control them. Sad.

[@RachelSaker2]

It's very sad to see robyns daughters with no mind of their own

[@kaycarle8361]

To be fair, if I were in Robyn's shoes, I would be very upset about that too.

[@RachelSaker2]

@@kaycarle8361 what do you mean ?

[@teena4rl211]

Madison is very well spoken. She also has a great radio voice.

[@marshalynn22]

I love how Maddie is being so so so open!!!

[@Jessica-wo6px]

She definitely seems like the type who would talk

[@judypranke735]

I agree with you, Sarah, that CP was simply a place to consolidate the money from the sale of the homes in Vegas. And he's playing the long game of pissing off Janelle and Meri so that they lose interest and give up on CP. I also think that's why he agreed so easily to Christine's offer to walk away from CP and take her home equity and run. Kody didn't need to agree to that. He could have fought her on that. Even Christine thanked him for agreeing to that arrangement. Kody also appears to view CP as his own property already. He is chopping down trees, making dirt bike trails all over the land without consulting Meri or Christine if it's OK with them that he do that. I'd like to see how Kody would feel if Janelle and Meri contracted a firm to knock down the trees off Robyn's plot or his plot and kept the proceeds for themselves. I don't know what Kody is doing with the trees, he might just be using them for firewood to heat their house in the winter, but he is harvesting something that benefits him without permission or acknowledgment from his business partners/investors Janelle and Meri. JMHO

[@nicoleeo7984]

I want to know more about Janelle and Krody being separated for five years. Like did Janelle move away? How far away did they live from the others? Did Krody ever visit or call his kids? Did Janelle’s kids get to visit their half siblings? Did Grody Kody help financially? What brought Janelle and Krody back together?

[@g.flesch9731]

Kody has not been a good financial provider for the kids.

[@SusieQ-mn3qf]

I think she moved about an hour away. Not sure about the visitations or support from Kody. Guessing the latter was nonexistent.

[@Patricia-vm9ys]

When Kody moved to Utah she stayed I think in Wyoming. When he found the 3 plex she moved to Utah. But I think she paid for the home.

[@ShellBAtoms]

@@Patricia-vm9ys Yes, Janelle stayed in Wyoming to work. This was before Christine came into the family, I think. Janelle also needed some time away from Meri. In their autobiography, Janelle tells about how mean Meri was to her - particularly in the early years. It gave Janelle a bit more independence - until Kody found the 3 plex in Lehi, which Janelle then paid for by cashing in her retirement funds.

[@Jessica-wo6px]

That would be interesting to learn about

[@tracimcmurray5244]

I grew up in a cult. It may not seem like much to others, but to use the word "cult" when you leave is quite empowering. You're taught God can "strike you dead" if you leave. At the least, you'll be angering God and will "feel his wrath." You're also groomed the one thing you are not is a cult. It's a dirty word. So, to use the word openly and without fear--YOU GO, MADDIE!!! ❤✊🏼 I see you. I hear you. And the word "charismatic" is used to describe cult leaders. I encourage you to look up the word, because a religiously charismatic person is defined differently. They often claim to have healing powers. Often speaking in tongues, etc. It's not the traditional definition of charismatic (charming, inspirational, attracts people to them, etc).

[@ShellBAtoms]

Congratulations on your liberation! It takes a lot of strength and courage to challenge a cult from the inside, and fight for your independence. It often means being ostrasized and shunned, along with all sorts of other threats. Good insights on charismatic leaders. Thanks for sharing. So happy for you!

[@brightlinebetty1258]

So the frontal lobe develops roughly between the ages of 18 and 30. Does Robin have a test to judge whether or not they have a fully developed frontal lobe before she allows them to make choices or how does that work? Asinine!

[@SusieQ-mn3qf]

Robyn had Dayton at 19 - thinking her frontal lobe was fully formed then. Wonder how she would feel if that was thrown in her face.🤔

[@kathymaurizio1852]

Better question: Ha Robyn's frontal lobe grown

[@joerudnik9290]

Kody is ‘open-minded’????Oh yes, if you do and say, whatever HE wants you to do.😂😂😂

[@jeanninelockridge5235]

Maddie has her head squarely set on her shoulders. She learned how to not live your life while with those people. She got away from that mess young and found a wonderful man to start her adult life with. She was smart to cut Kody off like she did. I think it's very telling that not one of the older children wants anything to do with Polygamy. We don't know about Robyn's kids yet. Maddie is definitely someone the others can look up to❤

[@angelasargeant4322]

I loved the “Rob Peter to pay Paul” comment!! She obviously is watching the latest season!!

[@ginasemenza7393]

Kody would take a mortgage out on his deathbed.

[@kaycarle8361]

Lol, good one

[@TheForestCrone]

Y'all I grew up mainstream LDS and it can be a cult. When you add shunning for leaving, a normal religion begins to fall into cult territory. I'm incredibly happy to see anybody from the Brown family tackle the topic of deconstructing, because not only is it very relevant right now as so, so many people are leaving organized religions, it's also the most interesting part of the show.

[@DiannelLaird]

LDS is a cult from what I’ve read. It’s not cult like it’s a cult period. It was started by a man who lied to his followers and wife so he could “marry” other women. That’s what I have read about it.

[@BerryHair405]

I had a couple of LDS friends and teachers in school...some were so kind and integrated into our friends. Some seemed very detached. I don't know if was personality or a sense of being 'chosen people' who shouldn't socialize or 'lower' themselves to 'outsider' standards.

[@ShellBAtoms]

Yes! This is one of hte best parts of the show for me - is watching the OG3 wives and all their kids - liberate themselves from this cult, and toxic relationships. I had my own jouney out of a cult-type upbringing, and have some experience with how much strength and courage is needed to leave. I love seeing folks find their way out. That's the best part of this whole Sister Wives series for me!

[@mwills77]

This show has become more about how the parents are in varying states of arrested development and how the kids have learned from their mistakes. I think Janelle was so stressed out because of the financial situation in the family that she needs some wins with investing money. Kody has done so much damage throughout this family. Imagine trying to be confident in your decisions after having a man child constantly screwing things up for you and your family.

[@ShellBAtoms]

I see the show as a family liberating itself from a cult. I'm thrilled to pieces at how the show has developed over the years, (with the exception of RGB - peace to his passing.) It's been so wonderful to watch all the OG wives liberate themselves from a misogynistic cult! And it's been great to see the OG kids become fantastic adults - all chosing NOT to belong to the cult in which they were raised. I think Christine gave a master class in how to leave a narcissist. And now we are seeing the OG3 reinvent themselves. I LOVE THAT! I couldn't have asked for a better ending for the show! This is what the show represents to me.

[@MeDyJoLo]

I wonder if Kody used Coyote Pass as collateral for his new mcmansion loan which is why he needed to hold on to it.

[@valeriemcdonald440]

On the topic of get rich quick schemes, Worthy Up comes to mind. I want Meri to keep improving and doing well, but I am recognising this get rich quick mindset in her still. She is very good at starting businesses.

[@ShellBAtoms]

Meri has so many great qualities. However, being the head of a "Worthy Up" company seems a bit odd. Fake it till you make it? I don't think she would be a good mentor in helping other women find something she is still working on herself. But I do believe she is finally on the right track for herself, and wish her well in whatever she endeavors.

[@kaycarle8361]

Sarah summed it up in a previous video nicely. When Meri describes it, it's just a word salad that leaves me still unsure what her business even is, which gives me Ponzi scheme vibes. I wanted to like it. But my Spidey sense is tingling.

[@China-Clay]

Robyn really never earned the teenagers respect

[@julieannegarfield3108]

Shy Robyn? I don't think so. The way she talked down to Maddie and didnt let her finish her point. She talked over her. Robyn is an awful person. Controlling and coercive to her own children. I can't believe Janelle let her talk to her children like that.

[@muriel5826]

Yeah, Janelle should’ve stood up to Robyn on behalf of her daughter and the rest of her kids. None of the OG3 have been strong advocates of their kids to K & R.

[@ShellBAtoms]

@@muriel5826 I agree, and could attribute that to the expectations of the cult. The wives are groomed to "keep sweet," and not make waves. I'm so impressed that all of the OG kids have chosen to NOT stay in the AUB cult.

[@betsybabf748]

I do give the Brown parents credit for never pushing their religion or lifestyle on their children. They also never dissuaded their daughters from advancing their education, instead encouraging it. As far as practicing polygamy goes, they did it far better for their children than the Kingston Order, the FLDS, etc. I can't imagine believing polygamy is needed to go to heaven, but I do respect when parents respect with love their adult children's belief systems and life choices,

[@mspattywatty]

It was while watching this episode in real time that Madison became my fav.🥇

[@ShellBAtoms]

Maddie has been a favorite from WAY back. I love how she stood up to Meri in a very early episode. Janelle and Christine both eluded to Meri's abu$ive treatment of their kids in their autobiography. Years later, Maddie would tweet that Meri was abu$ive and a monster, and that she grew up in fear of Meri. Maddie didn't invite Meri to her wedding or birthings. Maddie had way about her where she suffered no fools. I also loved how Maddie stood up to Robyn. She's always been smarter than the adults that were raising her, and has gone on to be such a wonderful mother! I'm so glad that she has created a platform where she can share some of her insights about her upbringing - in a way that at this point - doesn't compromise the show. I hope when the SW show is over, that she spills more of the tea that is NOT being told by any of them.

[@mspattywatty]

@ I hope all the older kids get mega $$$$ book deals and say everything they couldn’t, once the show is over👏🏽.

[@SARAHTRYS]

90lb weight loss GO GIRL your great at any size of course but I know that has to be exciting for you!!! GO SARAH FROM A FELLOW SARAH!!!!

[@Iri-he1bu]

I want to know how she did it!

[@lauraalcala9716]

I wonder if coming from a family with so many kids it’s easier to do your own thing as and adult? On the other end of the spectrum I can see only children like myself worried more about “disappointing” parents compared to when there’s so many you have more freedom to move on and do your own thing.

[@LisaHouserman]

I like Maddie's podcast. I've been watching it weekly. Glad you are covering it. I also LOVE your new show with Hubby!

[@microwavedsalad893]

90 lbs! Dang girl, lookin' good!!

[@northvanamy]

I like that Madison isn't afraid to call it like she sees it. Polygamous religions are cults and even when her parents were married and she was a teenager, she knew she didn't want any part of it. Whether or not Janelle still believes in the cult, I don't know, but Madison probably isn't the only one of Janelle's kids that feels this way.

[@ukmary1968]

Sarah, I saw my doctor today. I’m down another 6 pounds this month on the 5 mg mounjaro. But that’s not the best news. All of my labs, except my hormones because I’m post menopausal, are perfect. It’s amazing. 6 months ago they were crap. I’m thrilled and I feel so much better!!

[@munchie2u]

It appears that several of the children who are now adults have good heads on their shoulders despite their parents.

[@karlaschaffner6592]

To refer to their current relationship as "parentification" got me HOT. 🤬 Janelle has been emotionally abused for decades. She's worn down and hesitant to move forward. ALL adults need built-up and encouraged from time to time. To get it from an adult child, or to give it to a parent is just effing "family". 😤

[@ShellBAtoms]

☮ I see your point, that it's just effin "family." Although I totally saw why Sara/Sarah chose the word "parentification." However, I could also add that I know of too many families where this kind of encouraging and positive reinforcement was never part of their family. Wouldn't it be great if it were! It SHOULD be. It's always great to see people supporting people - whatever the relationship. I think we can all agree that we're so effin happy to see Janelle moving toward such a wonderful place and living her effin dream! Wishing you and your family a wonderful holiday season, and a effin fabulous year ahead! 🥰👍

[@staceyvance5260]

I came to comments to see if anyone felt that was inappropriate. Caleb and Maddie are being supportive like any mature loved one does. Sarah is personalizing the situation.

[@Jessica-wo6px]

They all need some help

[@RepentImmediately]

Do you think women who allow themselves to be abused for years are proper parents?

[@karlaschaffner6592]

@@RepentImmediately what are the other options? I refuse to pretend that humans don't have issues. They do. We do. Complex animals, we are.

[@maggielaw6036]

Bravo Sarah, with your charismatic comment comparing Kody to Ted Bundy! Exactly.❤️

[@themillionmall]

7:59 i think its the glasses but maddie reminds me so much of truley here. the mannersims how cute.

[@tessab.5379]

Please stop the parentification term... saying there proud doesn't mean they are parenting her. It just means they are proud. The term is being WAYYYY over used ed. Love your channel.

[@dee0101]

I agree, that's a reach 🙄

[@Karenmccourt8240]

Segue…love that dress Janelle is wearing. She looks amazing 😊

[@UnPluggingThePlayer]

Good show. Thanks for sharing the M.D. hair product. I'll try it. I'm using the hair needling tool and after 3 months I see lots of new growth.

[@Dmimima]

What is it with narcissists and always trying do to “get rich quick” schemes?! My father (who I don’t speak to anymore) is a classic narcissist and has never ever done honest work in his life. Everything from illegal to shady to stupid to make money except get an actual job! It’s so weird!

[@BerryHair405]

With Kody I think it's narcissism combined with attentional and impulse issues...it's not for everybody but 5 to 9 regular jobs can be structured. Kody seems like his ego wouldn't fit into a standard job - and I'm not putting down neurodivergence, more that the entitlement gives that confidence that Kody doesn't need so-called traditional work...sorry to add - I had a full blown narcissist boss - we all viewed that person as the boss - and they had to lord their title/grandiosity/sense of running the place over us...so that makes me wonder if Kody needs the get rich ideas to feel capable or powerful over circumstances?

[@tracyroth-myers5574]

Sarah you are right on point.

[@Jat-j7z]

Kody would be lucky if makes 10,000 a year when that shows over soon

[@victoriarichardson1471]

She is admitting the truth. Go Madison.

[@Micmodee]

I feel Madison hit all the points and hit them well. I especially agree with her about the AUB being a cult. I consider all high control “religions” as cults and when I consider many of deeply “religious” people I have interacted with, I agree that hell would be preferable than spending the afterlife with any of them.

[@abigale1972]

I don’t see that Maddie and Caleb are “parenting “ Janelle. I believe they are being supportive of her and encouraging her. Janelle is going through a huge adjustment and I believe more insecure than she wants to admit.

[@doloresparra4604]

You are a beautiful young lady

[@piperarcher9706]

As someone who really only watches commentary on the show, because it hits a little too close to home... many, and I mean, most reactors to the show fail to see how insidious and deep these teachings and doctrines are in people who live and believe it. The way that you were parented as a child is usually heavily heavily impacted by your parents' beliefs, your parents set the model for how you regulate your emotions, How you think through hard concepts and problems, how you justify or achieve your goals. And even what is acceptable to have as a goal. In order for children and a family to be able to see past the model of their parents/community and what they've been taught and told, they need to be allowed to have freedom to express themselves in their identity. And in cults, like this, in high demand religions like this, there is no space for that. Kody's wives are not as healthily developed, emotionally, and mentally because of their beliefs and how they were raised. When people comment on how the behaviors of these women and even kody don't make sense, I disagree. It makes complete sense. Because this is how I was taught, this is how I was raised. These are the same mechanisms and coping skills and strategies that have been employed and developed before me through my parents and my community for generations. It's incredibly impressive for any child raised in such a high demand religion and community to be able to break free from it emotionally and mentally and disentangling themselves from it like maddie has. My sister was very similar in that. She just accepted that she wasn't going to ever be able to measure up or be happy doing what our religion taught her was correct... She just accepted that she was destined for hell, too. She still carried the shame of failure for a long time. When I was seven, before I was baptized, I would dream about dying before I was baptized because I knew afterward I would be accountable for my sins for the first time... I felt that there's no way that I could endure to the end and do everything correctly, and that it would be better for me to die without the chance to try so that I could be with my family forever. I didn't want to be the weak link. There is insane amount of pressure behind these beliefs, and it is not confusing to me at all why these women in their fifties still struggle with disentangling themselves and their identity from these beliefs. I just don't think that the average person watching the drama has any idea how encompassing the teachings and beliefs of this church is. Most people's takes are hollow because they fail to account for it. I will say that most people don't even mention the religion because they're trying to be respectful, but I firmly believe that religions don't inherently deserve respect. People deserve respect. I applaud maddie for getting out and disentangling her brain from her cult, and I am so glad that she's able to walk with her mother patiently and lovingly through her own journey. I likewise have to hold my own mother's hand as she struggles with a new type of reality, a reality where mormonism is a lie and harmful. Losing your faith is hard enough, being so Entangled in a cult makes it excruciating and long and painful, and people who are going through it deserve the type of patience and support Maddie and her husband are giving janelle.

[@joerudnik9290]

Lots of people are able to recognize and disengage from their religions, at an early age. A lot of it has to do with your critical thinking skills, and your willingness to endure conflict when you speak of your beliefs. The Catholic Church had a great many cult-like aspects, especially, up to the 1970’s.

[@Sin-D_]

I’m middle aged and recently learned actual details about the Mormon religion, and I’m shocked on one hand and laugh on the other… And there’s NOTHING good about it. This knowledge actually opened my eyes that ALL religions are cults and are all made up by “man” (who is flawed) and made up so many ridiculous rules (can’t eat/drink this, can’t wear that, must do this/that OR ELSE!!). 🙄🙄😒NO WAY!! It just made me a total cynic. I choose to believe God will judge my soul at the end of my life, to follow the 10 Commandments, and be a good human. It’s that simple. 👍 Everything else is nonsense. Those rules were made from interpretations from the Bible, a book that has been translated thru far too many languages, dialects, and slang. And is interpreted differently. Who knows what the original Bible scriptures actually said and meant?!?!

[@OutToTheWoods]

❤

[@Leolove400]

I don’t know what’s surprising about a mother and daughter having a great relationship even though they have different religious beliefs. Also I wish people could understand it’s okay to take time to get over a 30 year relationship.

[@SometimesMyself]

I was always shocked that My Sister Wife’s Closet ever sold anything at all. I would be utterly mortified to wear anything from there or support such a brand.

[@samanthabamantha5816]

A $10k a month mortgage, but doesn't want to pay child support for Truly?

[@maryshehane7711]

I will bet next month’s rent that Kody and arobyn have a balloon payment on their 2 million dollar house.

[@ShellBAtoms]

We know that Robyn has never been afraid of debt! ...nor has Kody!

[@sarab2554]

I was raised in the mainstream Mormon Church and I consider that a mild cult so I definitely can see how Maddie would consider the AUB a cult.

[@ShellBAtoms]

I agree. I would also call many other sects of Christianity a cult also. Jesus was all about helping the poor and less fortunate, not judging, and doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. "I am my brother's keeper." There are too many churches out there that claim to follow Jesus, but clearly don't. I'd say they are also cults.

[@Tamika-dq6ze]

I like Janelle. I’m happy for her that she finally decided to leave Kody in the dust. But I think it’s okay if we look at her choices - especially her parenting choices - with a critical eye. Out of all the wives, she’s supposed to be the most intelligent, but she’s the one who actually chose polygamy as an adult and as someone who was already married before. Yet, she chose to raise her kids in that damaging cult and stay for decades.

[@megan6911]

Calebs parents > "we both educated" lmao😂

[@marshalynn22]

Love your headband ❤

[@applego6533]

My husband and I paid off our home at age 40. We made sure to pay off all debt soon after. In our early 40s we are saving more for retirement. Kody is working backwards

[@zeezeec]

I love your hairband, wheres it from?

[@sunmoonlove144]

A bit off topic here, but Sarah, I love your green chairs!!! Where can I find some like that, I love the lower back and the color😊🎄

[@christinapfeifer4218]

Get rich quick schemes and scarcity/poor mindset is VERY popular among evangelicals and fundamentalists. My parents were the same way and it was hard for me to learn how to handle my money.

[@Slorzzzzz]

Hmmm I wonder if there is maybe a smidge of hypocrisy with Maddie? I am so proud of the growth she has made! My only qualm is her not liking “getting rich quick schemes” while simultaneously being part of an MLM. Is she not still selling Plexus? Maybe I’m misinformed.

[@OOTD13-b1v]

No it’s not parenting your parent. It’s being a supportive kind to his mother in law.

[@michelej4971]

The thing about the tax refund and how the different parents handled it, makes me laugh. My parents always spent it, but it would either be put on the mortgage or set aside for our summer family vacation. They didn’t spend it on random crap. So, I guess what I’m getting at is, being poor and not being able to save for long periods of time is different than saving for a specific goal.😊

[@ShellBAtoms]

That's a typical pattern known by economists. Folks without much money tend to spend what they have when they have it. Financial literacy is seen more with folks who aren't living hand to mouth in the first place. ...and of course there are exceptions... but there are trends. No judgement - just something confirming with something I learned in an econimics class.

[@michelej4971]

@ I think if you’re spending your money on crap, you’re absolutely right, but if it’s on food and housing, it’s called making it work because you have no choice. Now I have no illusions that Kody spent it on crap….just look at his art and jewelry! 😂 But with 15 starving children, he should have been spending it on food storage.

[@moogie01956]

Glad she used the word cult. That said, if people want to live in a high control group, it is their prerogative.

[@brittany90vt]

Yall MD hair is legit. Another content creator used it and her hair grew. One of my cousins is now using it as well. She has a bald cut and wants to grow it back.

[@takahashiueda3332]

i bet kody wasnt that sad to not see his crush kaleb any longer since the divorce of sonny and cher

[@mightyorcagames2898]

I definitely wouldn't say that Caleb telling Janelle he was proud of how far she's come is parenting, but I do think the older kids did have to do a lot of the parenting their whole lives and that's something I can relate to and it's so sad.

[@mgarner1227]

Sarah! I need that headband for my child. Where did you get it?

[@realiteasquad]

Target! I got it last week! www.target.com/p/gemstones-headband-a-new-day-8482-multicolor/-/A-92216219

[@mgarner1227]

@@realiteasquad thank you

[@blueiris1830]

Very good video!

[@Jessica-wo6px]

I bet Maddie has a lot of tea to spill because she doesn't seem to hold back at all💯💯

[@nmc5858]

Love Rachel!

[@judiebradshaw4368]

I don’t think Janelle believes in polygamy anymore. When she stated she still believed was over two years ago.

[@caspiansvensson]

Can we please normalise being and vocalising being proud of people you love no matter if they are older, younger or the same age.

[@JustASmallTownGirl85]

My Mom has ADHD, I definitely parent her lol Only in a loving way, today I had to pick her up from Costco because she locked her keys in her car for the sixth time...this month. She somehow has also lost three extra keys we got in case lol

[@prettybonkers1040]

❤ Your headband!!!!!!!!!

[@realiteasquad]

Target! It was $10!

[@Torridup]

I mean to be fair MSWC was not a "get rich quick scheme" it was just a poorly executed business idea.

[@avlisjs]

I don’t think Caleb and Maddie are “parentified” for being supportive and speaking life into Janelle. Yes Janelle is the parent, but they’re all adults. Being loving to someone you love who you believe is effected by a cult shouldn’t be pathologized.

[@kirish43]

I used to think church youth groups were fun but my son learned to smoke at youth groups

[@Its-a-good-day]

Madison is so much better than me because I would have been like your not my mom and your like not that much older than me so why you talking about a fully developed frontal lobe when you don’t have one 😂🙄

[@allisonpl]

If Maddie is still involved with Plexus, she needs to take a long look in the mirror and practice what she is preaching. Multi Level Marketing is the epitome of "get rich quick" scheme while steeped in cult like behavior. Girl, please with your "I'm so much better than my family" attitude. You are just as bad.

[@Sin-D_]

The ONLY reason why the Browns are successful with any MLM is because they are public figures “with a large following.” You REQUIRE a large following or exposed to many people in your daily life to make a living wage. Or those few who got in at the very beginning and have many victims under them who they benefit from who are barely making enough to cover childcare - hence, pyramid (MLMs prey on young mothers with promises of money and flexibility.) Less than 5% of all who sign up with an MLM make a good living wage or better. Lularoe is another horribly predatory MLM. The other 95% cycle through and sell to all of their family and friends (twice), and then reality hits that they can’t sell enough product to make a living and then get out, plus many were just ordering to support your new venture, but it gets old. Usually, they spent $$ to get in, and end up selling or giving away their remaining inventory at the end to just get out. It’s a typical 2-year(ish) cycle. (DONT DO IT IF U R THINKING OF JOINING ANY MLM!!)

[@donnasmallwood9793]

This multiple wives stuff is straight up wrong, im so glad these didn't fall for that up bringing. Kooty and sobin will try their dead level best to beat Mari and Janelle out of their part. That property should be split 3 ways. If not Mari and Janelle will only get a forth each, when kooty and sobin will get half

[@ktrayn78]

We are not proud of our children exclusively, we can also be proud of our peers, and I think that what we see is that Janelle respects Maddie and Caleb as fellow adults (not with the ego and assumed superiority that Kodi deminstrated) and so they have a healthy adult friendship amogst the three of them.

[@brendam.5932]

My guess is Kody took out another horrible mortgage with an adjustable rate and that $400k in equity will be gone when the balloon payment comes due and he doesn’t have it. He better hope he can still sell that house for enough to get out from under the crappy mortgage and still have some equity left over or he’s just made yet another horrible financial mistake….

[@laurieerickson7205]

I just hope he and Robyn didn’t screw over Janelle & Meri by using Coyote Pass as collateral against it

[@brendam.5932]

@ I think their only shot is probably coyote pass at this point. Selling the old house and buying the new one under their trust…I doubt they’ll see any of that money ever again. That being said, they did admit to that old McMansion was a “family” asset that Janelle and Meri both contributed funds to, so I believe that footage could be used in court for Meri and Janelle to get a judgement. I just hope they do not wait too long to file. So often there is a clock on when you can file a case.

[@laurieerickson7205]

@@brendam.5932 exactly. In terms of litigation, the clock winds down fast. I know they don’t want their lots, but dear lord, don’t be foolish about the money and property value. We already know K&R’s MO is lying

[@brendam.5932]

@ they wouldn’t have been able to use the lots with Janelle’s and Meri’s name on them without their sign offs.

[@brendam.5932]

@ that being said, Meri’s name isn’t on nearly enough of that property given what she has financially contributed to the family over the years.

[@northvanamy]

I was going to say that being called charismatic is not always a compliment. You are right that people called Ted Bundy charismatic!

[@Stephanie-ni6zc]

“Caleb’s parents were both educated…”

[@prettybonkers1040]

💀

[@QueenTaco24]

If there is one good thing that happened in the Brown family is that they did raise the OG-13 to believe how they choose & to have their own voice. I think that is more to do with the moms but they did raise some good adults.

[@loriAMinnesota]

Congratulations on reaching your weight goal.

[@JustWatchMeDoThis]

Janelle thinks it's faith, but she actually seems to be more "married" to a lifestyle, not a faith. She does not talk about polygamy for the afterlife. She talks about it fulfilling her wants here and now. She wants a man that is the same man around for once or twice a week or when she needs something. In earlier decades it was to have a family and others take care if the kids while she went to work. None of this is faith. We don't really hear her talking about faith in her god or even the afterlife like we do with the others.

[@karenrner]

Anyone know the property tax rate in AZ? I wonder if they considered taxes on their new purchase, since they have a history of late taxes on the first mansion. I’m guessing that $10k/mo mortgage payment is really more like $13-15k!

[@lisaseliger9698]

Where is the clip with Christine’s response to Robber when Robber was lipping off and being bossy to the kids about saying they should not be allowed to choose their own religion or make decisions about who they wanted to be friends with? Robbers clueless daughters are adults and still don’t have the ability to choose a church or date or live their own lives. Meanwhile Robber is trying to spread the lie she is this sweet caring shy person who cares about everyone. She’s such a lying fake.

[@jah-wills12]

Maddie was the rebel child Mykelti insists she was🤣 I mean I don’t see an rebel behaviour but I’m assuming in their cult it’s quite outrageous.

[@BlackPrincess-t5p]

Right Mykelti was the any attention is good attention child.

[@tarabourgeois5807]

Sarah looking cute!

[@MsMolliesMom]

If Kody gives up on CP & sells it, wonder if he will use that to pay down the new home.

[@Jat-j7z]

Kootles wants all the money and all the pencil boxes

[@DK-tq3fy]

We are not rich and we do our absolute best to not spend our tax return. Even when we were really broke we always tried to put a bit away. Even if it is only a tiny bit.

[@China-Clay]

Every group is a cult these days, a “high demand”religion sometimes is a better description, but can we all agree that a cult is a cult is a cult 😆