Sitting Bull: Episodes 3 & 4 - Extra History Reaction

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[@jamiefrontiera1671]

Man "his horse is crazy" is just such more badass name than crazy horse

[@Vohlfied]

Epona much?!

[@jamiefrontiera1671]

@@Vohlfied ????

[@AlwaysBolttheBird]

@@jamiefrontiera1671Epona is the legendary horse from the Legend of Zelda

[@dmacarro]

The Battle Where The Woman Saved Her Brother deserves a deep dive. It is sadly overlooked. The native warriors who sided with Gen. Crook from the Crow and Shoshone tribes, who were led by chiefs Plenty Coups (Crow) and Washakie (Salish/Eastern Shoshone), really deserve to be given their overdue spotlight for their crucial role in preventing the destruction of Crook and his men. Really, Plenty Coups and Washakie each deserve their own videos.

[@fireyjon]

Sitting Bull was just a good leader, smart person and had great faith that instilled in him great courage. In short the reason he was able to do so much was because he had something to fight for.

[@goranurengard]

There is a connection from Napoleon I to Sitting Bull. Caroline Weldon was a Swiss-born artist and activist (and a distant relative of Napoleon who migrated to the US and married another Swiss-born in Brooklyn. However she had a messy life in America so in the summer of 1889 she travelled to the Dakota Territory. She went to Standing Rock and managed to meet Sitting Bull. For a period she functioned as a Secretary for the chief and she also produced a couple of portraits of him. Her Sioux name was Woman Walks Ahead. That was because of her fear of horses leading to her walking slightly ahead of the riding Sitting Bull. I can recommend the Wikipedia article about her for anyone who wants further information.

[@GrablorTheInvader]

Just read the Wikipedia article, and it didn't mention her being a relative of Napoleon? If you have a source for that might be relevant to add to her page, just looking for some clarity. Also you never closed your brackets, let me aid you friend.) Yours truely, One-who-seeks-ears

[@goranurengard]

@@GrablorTheInvader Her father was a member of a Swiss noble family Fesch as was she. The most notable member of the Fesch family was cardinal Joseph Fesch, who was the halfbrother of Letizia Ramolino, Napoleon's mother. It was Napoleon that made Fesch cardinal. But after looking into her fathers lineage there are a lot of problems. He has a father named Daniel Fesch but before him there's nothing. I first came in contact with the Fesch family a couple of years ago when I examined my own family connections to Bonaparte. Either there has been changes to the wikipedia article since then or I misinterpreted the contents.

[@GrablorTheInvader]

@@goranurengard Well either way you did add an interesting addedum to Sitting Bull's life. Ty for the well researched reply, it is so wonderful when the internet works in the way it's makers intented.

[@chimelxatrindad1516]

This feels somewhat like what's gonna happen to the Zulu years later.

[@faeembrugh]

The Anglo-Zulu war was only 3 years after Little Big Horn. Also there are parallels with the destruction of the Scots Highlanders after Culloden in 1746. Tribal warriors who fight at close quarters can run into trouble if their better armed, more organised, modern military opponents work out how to defeat them.

[@elliswellington4553]

​@@faeembrughYeah it's much more like what happened to the Highland Scots with the Highland Clearances, but with the native Americans it was more of a degrading of their freedom.

[@elliswellington4553]

In the 1940s the South African government looked to the reservations in America for inspiration when beginning Apartheid.

[@bjornodin]

Zu-who?

[@scrollcaps]

His Horses are Crazy is a literal translation but with context crazy would be better described as spirited. His Horses are Spirited reflects how good his horsemanship was.

[@benmaguire1729]

You made a great point yesterday with something you said "sitting bull did what any of us would do faced with the situation and hypocrisy/breaking of treaties of the US army". It's a travesty what our ancestors did to indigenous peoples and SB was a champion of his people(and other tribes), an inspiration to anyone and everyone, and a complete BADASS!!!! The guy was fearless and steadfast in his beliefs and principals; something we can all learn from and ascribe too. Someone I would say we should all desire to emulate! Thanks Chris, as always great f@#$ing content!!!!!

[@andrewgreeneyes7398]

More Native American history! It is so overlooked and underrated

[@iracordem]

hear here! windtalkers, heroic athletes, ‘70s indian movement, more…

[@elliswellington4553]

I love learning about the history of native Americans but these stories are always so emotional. The fact that civilizations that lasted for 30,000 years can be wiped out one by one in a period of 300 years is just unthinkable. Even worse is how the US government used it's own system to do this, but even when native people cooperated with this system it was disregarded. The judicial system used as a puppet show in a country built upon law and justice and equality. There is a good video about a remarkable story where following the trail of tears the "five civilized tribes" who were now in Indian Territory wrote a state constitution and attempted to join the union as "Sequoia", only to be rejected on bogus claims. That constitution was later used as the basis of Oklahoma's constitution. The video is from Johnny Harris, "The Native American State That Never Was" from 9 months ago. Great video as always Chris!

[@liarwithagun]

It always pisses me off whenever I think about how the US government, and the US people, treated the various native tribes, especially the ones 'on out side'. And usually it is over base unvarished greed, not even the decency to make up ideological lies to justify it.

[@johncondon4081]

31:40 2nd Infantry Division (Indian head patch) of the Eighth Army is/was stationed at Camp Red Cloud South Korea. “Second to None”

[@alaska6678]

Just A question. Have you ever read 'Bury my Heart at Wounded Knee' Its a great book on the plight and history of Native Americans interactions with the U.S Government.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I haven't read the book though I did see the televised version.

[@generalhamburger2405]

This is probably the earliest I've been cant wait to hear your input into this great series

[@sohflipz4439]

Chris, thank you so much for covering Extra History's coverage of Sitting Bull's story. I come from the Northwestern Wyoming where Sitting Bull and Buffalo Bill are both central figures to our history and it is incredibly sad just how abused and tortured our Plains Indian neighbors have been throughout these last four centuries. In my home town of Cody, our Buffalo Bill Historical Center is dedicated to the history of Buffalo Bill, but Sitting Bull and his people played such an instrumental part of this region that it's heartwarming that others such as Extra History recognize his impact on Western Culture. Thank you for your awesome contributions to recognizing the Plains Indians struggle and adding to the dialogue on their history. You are just as awesome as they are!

[@cervanntes]

As a suggestion, I'd love to see you tackle something on the Nez Perce War of 1877. I've always felt it doesn't get talked about as much as it should. Several of the US officers who fought against the Nez Perce actually petitioned the government to let them return to their home in peace, which is pretty telling given the prevailing attitudes of the time. And then there was W. T. Sherman, who said of the war, "One of the most extraordinary Indian Wars of which there is any record. The Indians displayed a courage and skill that elicited universal praise. They abstained from scalping: let captive women go free; did not commit indiscriminate murder of peaceful families, which as usual, and fought with almost scientific skill, using advance and rear guards, skirmish lines and field fortifications." I suspect it took a lot to impress Sherman given his overall attitude towards Native Americans. And of course, Hinmatóowyalahtq̓it's (Chief Joseph) "Fight No More Forever" speech is iconic.

[@scottp.5055]

I remember not knowing much about the Indian Wars when I started college until I read the book, "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee." It ended up being one of the reasons I changed my major to history.

[@SGAman123_]

This isn’t about Sitting Bull, but Civil War (a band formed from former Sabaton members) has a song called “Custer’s Last Stand”

[@undertakernumberone1]

there is also Running Wild with "Little Big Horn"

[@daffyduck1974]

Stephen E Ambrose wrote a good book about the parallel lives of crazy horse & custer. Its a good book i enjoyed it.

[@David-xp9vi]

For the algorithm! Love the channel, much success to you!

[@alexamerling79]

I spent a summer at the Little Bighorn. Cant recommend that enough! A must visit.

[@peddler931]

For a long-form narrative of Sitting Bull, I recommend Daniele Bolelli's History on Fire podcast. He covered Sitting Bull over five episodes from January through March 2023.

[@marepungas624]

I wholeheartedly recommend watching Steven Spielberg's six-part miniseries 'Into the West' to anyone who is interested in this timeperiod. It's even up on KZbin.

[@joshuawells835]

I have heard that Custer's orders were to report his findings only to President Grant, but being Custer, he just had to put in an ad in the New York Times about finding gold, thus sparking the gold rush to the Black Hills.

[@goldenTym]

$50 a week back then is equivelant to 1600 today. That's over 83k a year in today's money. Solid money.

[@NobleBushido2225]

Extra History Hiawatha, an earlier 2 part video within the early 1700s. Hiawatha and others merge 5 divided tribes into one Indian Confederation. Its a great story of early north America history and these ideas would be adopted into America inspiring George Washington & Benjamin Franklin.

[@brandonpeters1618]

The reason the Kennedy assassination has many conspiracies around it isn’t because it’s hard to comprehend a lone gunman, the reason is because of different connections major players in the assassination had and the motive and outright coverup of the CIA Whether you believe in them or not, with so much weirdness surrounding it, it’s not hard to understand why people believe in these kinds of things

[@nate1066pollock]

Since you've done a few reactions to History Buffs, he has an episode on Dances With Wolves where he discusses the Lakota, including (if I recall correctly) Wounded Knee, and even brings it up to date with the Dakota Access Pipeline protests.

[@navajoguy8102]

The Ghost Dance movement was similar to the Native American Church in that it was a kind of Pan-American Indian movement. It was popping up on different reservations all over at the time not just on the Lakota ones. It never took off on Navajo though, nor the Apache I heard, any ceremony that attempted to rouse the dead was immediately taboo. The Navajo experience at the time was almost the inversion of the Lakota experience. Navajo lands actually grew while the Great Sioux Nation was chopped up by the Federal Government. The reservation was also under occupation, with Fort Defiance and Fort Wingate being active outposts. Defiance was finally decommissioned in the 1870s while Wingate actually had a garrison up to the beginning of WW1. The Army had to be called in a few times, though nothing as dramatic or deadly as Wounded Knee ever occurred. The locals got along well enough with the soldiers that things such as horse races and wrestling competitions would be held; also a lot of gambling.

[@Hendricus56]

Speaking of reenacting stuff like the Wild West. One country which has yearly shows based on books placed among other places the Wild West (although only those get portraited) that you don't think of is Germany. Since 1952 there are the Karl-May-Spiele (Karl-May-games) in Bad Segeberg in Northern Germany, roughly 50-60km North North-East of Hamburg, based on the books from Karl May and his most famous character Winnetou, an Apache chief. He even included a main character named after himself in the books who uses the name Old Shatterhand while in the West. He even toured around the German Empire claiming he experienced all of that, telling stories and showing of some famous weapons from his stories he claimed were the originals. Obviously he didn't fought alongside the Apache and other tribes in the Wild West. He never even went to America, instead all of his stories are based on books he read among other places in prison and his own imagination. It's estimated over 200 million copies of his books were sold, around 100 million of them in Germany. I personally have a relatively large collection from my grandfather. And since the main connection we have with Indians/Native Americans (especially because of the distance) are his works and with them Winnetou at the front, they are kind of seen in a more noble light here than one might imagine. So much that a comedy trio in the early 2000s made a parody of old movies from the 50s and 60s since pretty much everyone knows at least something about these stories and therefore knows when something makes fun of them

[@Galantus1964]

You guy's must be sooo proud of this period of you history right ......

[@soulburner11]

Not the place my man

[@andrewbushok5824]

This all has me thinking of one of my favorite theme parks, Cedar Point in Sandusky Ohio. There’s a section called Frontier land which is basically just as it sounds. I’ve been going to cedar point as a child and it’s one of my favorite bonding experiences with my dad to this day, but now it makes me wonder whether frontier land is something that represents the “woah cool reenacting history” part that kinda ignores what was happening with native Americans at the time. I question whether it is something worth celebrating.

[@EmpressMermaid]

Thanks!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

much appreciated! Hope you're doing well

[@bjornodin]

7:58 The great Sioux - war... There's a joke in there somewhere...

[@navajoguy8102]

Extra History also did two good great episodes on the Sac & Fox athlete Jim Thorpe recently, and before that an episode on the Carlise Indian School which was the most (in)famous of the Boarding School programs set up by the Federal Government for Native children.

[@karlgrimm3027]

Interestingly this is not the first time that Custer fought a hand to hand cavalry battle. He fought a very close quarters battle during Gettysburg.

[@kirtmanwaring3629]

Did anyone else find that transition to the sponsor ad at the end incredibly jarring? In a way that proved the point better than any of the historical analysis.

[@JLS639]

In addition to the racism, I think an important aspect of the mystique around Sitting Bull was that not enough was known about him. There had to be a story and without facts it got filled in with myths and legends. c.f., King Arthur, John Henry, Dutty Boukman, etc.

[@philiafacon4053]

The walk thru and documentary work by the KZbinr CusterApollo should be checked out when you have the time. Amazingly thorough and fascinating!

[@Legacysong2012]

Crazy Horse wasn’t killed in an escape attack, he was killed while surrendering because a translator purposely mistranslated what he said.

[@chimelxatrindad1516]

History dose has a video about the nez perce war

[@CaiRobinson]

As a Canadian I would also agree that our gov was equally bad in how we treated the native tribes, we ignored treaties all the same. There were exceptions of course as always but overall it was not good.

[@scottfriesen9334]

I wish more people knew what happened in Mankato Mn and the events that happened in Mn around this time

[@iracordem]

looking at the timeline, seems there were many rarely/barely documented, sometimes rumored, atrocities in remote locations in middle america, indian wars, actions by shadow warriors ‘not working’ for the bia…etc.

[@PopeSixtusVI]

You should do something with the Into the West miniseries that aired on TNT in the 2000s. It was years ahead of its time.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Yes! Really enjoyed it.

[@phantomtitan9792]

Interesting video

[@raymondburrell8008]

History of the Ainu people of Japan would be interesting

[@karlgrimm3027]

10,000 might be the largest gathering in history. I have never understood why so few people lived in the Great Plains area. Seriously before it was wrecked the Aztec empire had more people than lived in the area despite it being good farmland.

[@killgoretrout9000]

There was probably around 3 million people between the Mississippi river and the coast of California before Columbus' arrival in the Americas but 80-90% were wiped out by disease over the next couple centuries. There is some thought that the "Little Ice Age" that occurred in Europe between the 16th-19th centuries was caused at least in part by the regrowth of forests in North America due to the large number of Native Americans who died from the diseases introduced to the continent by Europeans.

[@candledish]

17:49 You think that had something to do with looking at the sun like he did.....

[@Wreckdiver59]

Check out the book "Wooden Leg: A Warrior Who Fought Custer" for a look at the Battle of Little Bighorn from a Native Americans point of view.

[@saayamsingh3620]

Om shanti 🙏Truly a great leader and warrior . My obeisances to him

[@lordeveningshade]

$50 a week is close to $1,800 a week now. In a culture just coming up with the idea of celebrity, it isn't a bad amount of money. To be fair, I don't know the wages of others in the show, so it might be bad, but that price isn't terrible.

[@dcloukey]

Could be wrong but I believe that the 7th calvary didn't bring sabers on the exhibition. Was told that in the early 90s before the internet was a thing. I guess i should research it lol.

[@sartanawillpay7977]

They crated their sabres before the expedition. They were left behind because they were loud and clunky and rarely ever used.

[@9999bigb]

I'm so glad you mentioned how the natives had far better weaponry than the US Army. This, along with their highly trained and war hardened soldiers, their war horses, their tactics, and their sheer bravery meant that the US Army and their allies were completely outgunned and outmatched.

[@candledish]

10:43 Native American naming schemes are starting to interest me now.

[@madsl118]

Historia Civilis has a great video about the Iroquois confederacy

[@kineuhansen8629]

i am surprised we dont have a movie or something about sitting bull

[@joshridderhoff2050]

We do, at least in part. ‘Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee’ (based on the book of the same name) covers many of these events, including Sitting Bull.

[@metallica4384]

Do you plan on doing any reaction videos to Vietnam war or Korean war content?

[@atompunk5575]

As he ever done a video on The Battle of Peking?

[@shakeandjake2005]

I'm reading through "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" by Dee Brown, and this helps summarize much of the novel. I highly recommend!

[@joshridderhoff2050]

When you finish, HBO made it into a really fine movie as well. Worth a watch!

[@bendi3768]

They have done a video about native American boarding schools

[@j.allenheineken9732]

re: recommendations, check out the new content about the Nez Perce war from History Dose!

[@cam_ferguson_official]

I'll start by saying this; Chris, you are by far one of my favorite creators on KZbin. I have learned a ridiculous amount about history on your channel, and will continue to click on pretty much every video you put out as soon as it shows up on my feed. I also appreciate how you encourage civil, respectful disagreement. So here we go. When applying Occam's Razor to the JFK Assassination, I find that the lone gunman theory is anything but simple. The narrative that a radical left Marxist would attempt to assassinate Kennedy makes zero sense. Taking a shot at Gen. Walker? Sure that follows simple logic, that guy was an alt right, racist, anti-communist hardliner. JFK on the other hand was regarded by many as being way too soft on communism, attempting to establish peace instead of winning a war. It's very difficult for me to believe that LHO would target people on opposite ends of the political spectrum like that, and especially that he would want to kill basically his IDEAL president. And as far as the "he did it for the glory" argument; if that were true, he simply didn't act like it. If he was so obsessed with cementing his place in history, then claiming that he was a "patsy" would be working against that motive. You can go back and forth with his private motives, strategies, thoughts, and emotions that he was possibly harboring, but it becomes a lot of assumption at that point. That defeats the argument of simplicity that you attempt to win with Occam's razor. Some things that are simple: LHO had documented brushes with intelligence agencies for years leading up to the assassination. As a marine in Japan he hung out at The Queen Bee; an espionage hub, and one of the most expensive night clubs in town (which would be unaffordable on his military salary). Toward the end of his tenure as a marine, he applied to an obscure university in Switzerland that had documented CIA ties, and he applied to NO other schools. Defecting to Russia, he stayed in the most expensive hotels available on his way through Europe, which again, he could not afford. There was Marina's connections to Soviet Intelligence. There was the ease in which they returned to the USA, especially after he had publicly threatened the US embassy on his way into the USSR that he was going to give the Soviets secrets he'd learned while working on the U2 spy plane project. Not even a slap on the wrist. Photos that document his communist activities in New Orleans feature confirmed CIA agents in the background. His friendships/relationships with George DeMorenschildt and the Paynes, people who were absolutely connected with, if not agents of the CIA. There is so much more. Simple conclusion: LHO was connected with, if not an agent of the CIA. The shot. First, I will never deny the shot COULD be made, that is a totally doable shot. But the "shooter", LHO was documented as being mediocre at best. Evidence of him practicing in the months leading up to the assassination is heavily disputed. The rifle (Carcano) was a notoriously terrible firearm with a nickname "the humanitarian rifle", holding a reputation until then of being bad at killing anything. If LHO's gun was disassembled to smuggle into the Book Depository, then reassembled, that would include putting the scope on. Problem here is that there would be no opportunity to sight the scope before the assassination. Scopes get thrown out of whack by simply jostling them, never mind completely disassembling and reassembling the gun, especially with 1963 technology. Also argument FOR the single/magic bullet theory gets really complicated, which defies the spirit of Occam's Razor. Simple conclusion: the combined shooter/equipment factors make these successful shots very questionable. The throat wound. When JFK arrived at Parkland, the doctors unanimously identified the throat wound as an entrance wound. These are professionals that would typically see 2-3 gunshot wounds A DAY. All of them were strong armed to change their conclusions under threat of losing their medical licenses, and only a couple had the courage to stick to their original story. The official autopsy at Bethesda was supervised by high up military personnel (Generals/Admirals, can't remember, top of my head) who instructed the doctors to leave the throat wound alone. Simple conclusion: Doctors unanimously identified an entrance wound from the front, and the military covered it up; he was shot in the throat from the front. Back and to the left. I hear you groaning, "it was a nerve spasm", or "it's that weird vacuum/reverse jet engine effect thing". Experiments have been done to recreate the nerve spasm thing with goats, to no avail. Not that I recommend this, but if you've ever seen even a video of a deer getting shot in the head, it's head simply snaps back, the OPPOSITE direction of the oncoming bullet. Plus a police officer following on a motorcycle behind and to the left of JFK was struck in the chest with so much force by... let's say "debris" out of concern to sensitive readers... that he thought that he'd been shot himself. Simple conclusion: the headshot came from the front. Jack Ruby. Dude had obvious mafia ties. You'll hear the argument "he didn't work for the mob!" The more accurate statement would be "he wasn't a made guy", or an official member of La Cosa Nostra. You had to be born of an Italian father to qualify, which he wasn't. However if you learn about the Joe Colombo assassination, you'll see that the mob wouldn't send one of their official members to kill LHO, anyway. The man who shot Joe Colombo was an African American man (again, not a made man in the mafia) named Jerome Johnson. For such a public killing, with cameras and everything, the mob would pick guys who were ASSOCIATED with them (in which case you would not have to be Italian), and had probably screwed up in some way. To make amends, they would then be instructed to carry out a hit such as this. That way, the mafia could claim some distance from the hit. Jack Ruby's personality lends itself to this theory. Then in prison, he repeatedly and heavily implied that there was more to the story. Then he goes insane and dies of sudden, aggressive cancer. Conveniently, it later came out that Ruby's in-prison psychiatrist got this assignment by strong arming himself in to "treat" Ruby. It was later revealed that this psychiatrist had worked on the CIA mind control program, MK-Ultra. This program included research on driving people insane with LSD and other drugs. Factor in that the CIA has also been revealed to have the ability to give people, wait for it... sudden, aggressive cancer... Simple conclusion: you do the math. The potential motives. I already went over how LHO's purported motive just doesn't hold up. On the other hand, JFK alienated the CIA after the Bay of Pigs scandal by firing Allen Dulles, and threatened to "scatter the CIA to the wind". The Kennedy's also alienated the mob (who'd helped JFK get into office, btw with at least the Chicago vote) by going full force against organized crime. It's also not a secret that the CIA and the Mafia had been working together attempting to assassinate Fidel Castro, and that the Kennedys grew increasingly impatient with their repeated failure to do so. Simple conclusion; JFK made powerful enemies that had means, motive, and opportunity to kill him, which they did. Then there are the chain of evidence problems, forged x-rays, photo shenanigans, unfair police lineups, WILDLY differing witness testimony that Warren Report Defenders swear by, VERY strange evidence inconsistencies (Ok, so he carefully wiped down the rifle of pretty much every fingerprint, but then when he allegedly shoots JD Tippit later with a revolver, he takes the time to reload the gun and throw the empty shells on the ground at the murder scene? Also, the parafin test; no nitrates on his face or backs of his hands, only his palms. He was seen reading a newspaper earlier, which would explain the palm nitrates. Experts debate whether nitrates would be expelled from the Carcano rifle, but the fact that he didn't get any on him from the revolver as well?? Doubtful.) Funny to call this huge comment the SHORT version, but in summary, Occam's Razor is truly not the leg to stand on if you argue for the Warren Report's narrative. Again, I love, love, love your content, Chris. I feel we're probably gonna continue to respectfully disagree on this, which I'm ok with, but that's not gonna stop me from frequenting your channel. Keep up the great work bro!

[@yj9032]

I think it is more accurate to call him the guy whose horse is crazy

[@Subvetsteve]

I think your statement of fifty dollars a week wasn’t great is way off target, the average annual income of Americans in this era was $800 to 900 a year but in reality the majority was really around $376.00 a year….$50 a week works out to about $2600 a year. I’d say I would be thrilled to make three times as much as the average person of my time!

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

I didn't say it wasn't great. Not sure what you heard there.

[@Subvetsteve]

@@VloggingThroughHistory What you actually said was “it’s not a terrible amount of money but definitely exploiting him”

[@masterplokoon8803]

I wondered what was going on through Sitting Bull's mind when he saw how many people lived in the US and just how badly outnumbered he was and how his people's cause was hopeless from the beggining regardless of what he did. That would have broken many men.

[@averongodoffire8098]

Dance on Forever if it must be

[@docstockandbarrel]

👍🏻

[@halbarad6924]

15:01 To say it’s nothing any tribe achieved in history against the Americans isn’t really accurate. St. Clair’s defeat was a lot bigger with nearly 1000 casualties.

[@Coigreach]

$50 a week back then would be over $1500 in todays money.

[@eknapp49]

I’m kind of surprised you didn’t comment on the hand gestures drawn while they talked about the languages Sitting Bull supposedly spoke. Otherwise a great reaction.

[@sammyallen8195]

Dates and dead guys does a lot of Native American history videos

[@christianoverrein3478]

The hualapai wars

[@ShaneBradford]

The united states is so huge. Its a tragedy that the native culture is all but dead and gone due to greed

[@Kropotkino]

Hakim video please VTH

[@amrosh791]

What our modern sensibilities doesn’t understand is that the Lakota culture was not hundreds of years old, and they had developed their culture by conquering other tribes. As much as my heritage respects them, the Lakota and the Comanche were really the 2 more “evil” empires in Native American history. I believe that at Little Bighorn, Custer was truly acting as a villain. As was the US army. But little big horn was a strategic loss for the Lakota. And Sitting Bull knew it. That’s why he ran. The Nez Perce for example is a story with a much more clear “evil” side. Looking back, the US government in both cases of Lakota Black hills and the Lewiston settlement in NP land, should have just let the natives control their land.

[@jeffslote9671]

The problem with the black hills is various people have just as a strong claim on it.

[@amrosh791]

@@jeffslote9671 yup. I grew up in ND I have great respect for the history there. If you know the whole context of the story of the west between 1650 and 1900 you know nobody was “good” or “right” except for maybe the ones that kept running haha. The Nez Perce I think are one case where they fought only at the bitter end.

[@kyleolson9636]

The Lakota culture was hundreds of years old, they just weren't in the Great Plains region that long. Like many tribes they had been slowly displaced and pushed west by the US. They lived mostly in the Ohio area when European settlers arrived. They eventually made their way to the Dakota region by the 17th century. I don't feel they were an "evil" empire, they simply survived smallpox better than other tribes. This made them bigger than neighboring tribes, so they were more successful militarily. My guess is they built up more immunity because of early contact with Europeans in the early 17th century, while other Great Plains tribes were decimated by epidemics in the late 18th century.

[@SuziQ499]

@@kyleolson9636 Tell that to the Pawnee.

[@navajoguy8102]

The issue of the Black Hills is very straightforward actually. The Treaty of Fort Laramie of 1868 and the US v Sioux Nation 1980 decision make it very clear. The Black Hills belong to the Lakota. Who they belonged to before really doesn't matter, what matters is that the United States signed a treaty giving those lands to the Lakota people and then broke that treaty illegally. Thats something a lot of Americans have to learn about are treaties and the nuances of tribal sovereignty. The recent SCOTUS ruling on the Oklahoma McGrit case comes to mind as another example.

[@JosephG1604]

First comment ❤🫡

[@thatiowan3581]

Your mom was my first comment ❤🫡

[@JosephG1604]

Respect ❤️🫡

[@SuziQ499]

Which ever way you look at it the US stopped inter tribal warfare that was brutal the Pawnee suffered greatly they were hounded and nearly wiped out by the Lakota the Crow and a few other tribes also suffered , Interestingly enough Dances with Wolves gets the Lakota-Pawnee wrong saying that the Pawnee had been hard on the Lakota it was the other way round at Massacre Canyon the same Lakota that were at LBH killed women and children of the Pawnee over 200.

[@amrosh791]

Buffalo Bills Wild West wasn’t really a “reenactment” it was pure entertainment. When you have studied this stuff all your life in more detail this series is making me lose a lot of respect for Extras stuff.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

What is a reenactment if not pure entertainment? I mean they explicitly state in the video that they didn't portray the things as they actually happened. I don't understand what your issue is with that.

[@amrosh791]

@@VloggingThroughHistory BBWW was a play show. I’m not saying their description was wrong. But comparing it to reenactors is immaculate. BB didn’t really use his show to respect the past. But rather profit off it.

[@jeffslote9671]

The Lakota shouldn’t have been there either. They weren’t native to the region. That’s a historic fact. They were from Minnesota/Wisconsin. They had only conquered the region a few decades ago. The desire to for Americans to enter the region was just as legitimate as when the Lakota conquered it

[@generalhamburger2405]

You haven't even watched the full video yet 💀

[@jeffslote9671]

@@generalhamburger2405. The Lakota only arrived to the Dakotas a few decades before Sitting Bulls birth. They only claimed it by right of conquest. By that logic it should only be American property

[@Jcs1099psn]

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[@telmolon]

Yh yh but you havent even watched the video, it just seems like you had this message copied beforehand to let people know whatever take you want to believe

[@jeffslote9671]

They literally mention it in the first few minutes

[@jeffslote9671]

Sitting Bull brought unnecessary hardship onto his people. He shouldn’t be praised. He should be condemned like the fool he was

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

You could make that argument about any group of people in history who have been defeated in war.

[@jeffslote9671]

@@VloggingThroughHistory. No. He wasn’t fighting for anything worth while. He was fighting for stolen land and the right to attack others. That’s hardly noble

[@masterplokoon8803]

You could have condemned the atrocities commited by the US. Instead you condemned the guy that tried to do something about it.

[@amrosh791]

@@VloggingThroughHistoryhe’s semi right. Extras portrayal is missing a lot of context about both the Lakota practices/culture, and the whole story. There wasn’t really a “right” side here. Both were out for their own interests.

[@CARBONHAWK1]

How dare he try to fight for his people against a tyrannical, deceitful government.

[@davantemorrison6866]

I LOVE the channel brother but pump the brakes with lumping sitting bull went to West Point with LHO shot JFK all by himself. That’s night and day difference.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Only if you believe the conspiracy theories about JFK. I personally see no difference.