What Blizzard Can Learn from WoW Private Servers

[@NixxiomOnYouTube]

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[@gamingknight94]

I know what you were gonna say before you said it and I too don't understand why no one has done this. it's like hitting the free money botten honesty

[@Lightgaard9440]

This is the “I started playing turtle wow and it’s pretty good” video.

[@zonolith5912]

Turtle WoW is top kek and super fun, a solid 100h worth.

[@DrBeefy]

@@zonolith5912 Top kek indeed

[@XRPaladin]

Full sack.

[@xgetxsickx]

Yep, twow is based

[@LimpRichard]

Turtle wow's client runs like such trash I couldn't play it. I don't know how anyone plays that stuttering locked 50fps pile of garbage.

[@DdayArt]

1:37 ShinobiStory 3:55 Turtle WoW 4:31 Project Ascension 5:17 Epsilon WoW

[@ademuran]

Thanks a lot !

[@aquual1462]

Thanks for doing GODs work

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

Turtle WoW is basically a what-if server that stays true to the Pre-TBC Vanilla/Warcraft 3 lore. It builds upon it, adding new zones, new areas, new content, new raids, dungeons, etc. Cast your mind back to the days of vanilla and remember what it was like to anticipate a new patch coming out with excitement. Wondering what we'd see next? Turtle WoW is basically that. Sure it isn't perfect, and has some bugs from time to time, but overall the content is really polished and immersive. I definitely recommend it if you want to ignore what retail lore has become and start over from the good old days.

[@jazzcrow4312]

While Turtle WoW is probably the best Vanilla Plus server so far, a lot of the quests and potential storylines the devs include are hit-and-miss sadly.

[@Tamamo-no-Bae]

@@jazzcrow4312 I mean Blizzard was the same, some quests were trash, others were amazing. This happens when you have many writers.

[@forsakensadburger5828]

turtle wow mods are nazis though

[@midwestbox]

Taking a break from turtle wow til the next big patch drops. Gonna be rolling human hunter. 😎

[@ricardin2498]

@@midwestbox oh man, i want to create a worgen Hunter heheh using the ilusion of donation store. Or who knows maybe the new gilneas.

[@JeffreydeKogel]

After about 18 years, I'm truly starting to feel like I'm pretty much done with WoW. Even though Dragonflight is actually good, I haven't played much of it at all. Your ideas for private servers would really boost my interest in WoW again, and I can imagine it would do so for many other retired WoW veterans. I've actually had a lot of fun with Turtle WoW and Ascension, but would love it to become "official".

[@johnsterling5425]

I totally feel your first sentence.

[@Eaglebrace]

Absolutetly same on first sentence, it would keep me playing the game - experience the game different than i am used to.

[@shinobiPVP]

So true on the first part. You can only really be in the same story/aesthetic for so long until you just want something else. I remember back in 2012 people thinking "WoW 2" was on the horizon. Even then they were ready for something fresh.

[@luvhair255]

I felt like that until I tried classless last year. Most welcoming guild I've ever been in, been with them for 1 year now! I thought I was done after Cata!

[@NazzyDragon]

I don't want turtle to be official. Official is evil.

[@urukhai8196]

As a person who has sunk hundreds of hours into one of the three mentioned servers, I'm very glad to see someone share the same opinion as me, because I was actually thinking about it ever since I started playing there, and seeing such a huge content creator like you say EXACTLY what I was thinking inspires me, because I never thought that someone would put it in a video. Cheers Nixxiom!

[@raphael-beats]

I wonder what it's like. I might try those private servers.

[@baileycharlton2191]

As a not super smart computer guy how do you get on private servers?

[@TrafalgarWaterDLaw-dl5cm]

Its honestly amazing. It basicly feels like a whole new expirience. Rp servers and all gm servers allow you to just build your own Azetoth. The mentioned one for example uses Phases bound to a character. So entering your characters phase allows you to delete and add build and rewrite without interfearing with others. Using the id you have for each phase others can visit your azeroth anytime. You can transform to any model, use any item in the game even those of npcs. Make your own npcs and even script them to some degree. It also offers all kinds of skintones and options such as darkrangers forrest trolls etc.

[@Erkaan12]

​@@baileycharlton2191 most have their own client available for download on their website.

[@Idiosynchrosis]

@@baileycharlton2191 Those mentioned in the video mostly have their own clients which pretty much do everything to you, the one i play, for instance, even has it's own addons tab (which also includes HD textures if you want to have a revamped vanilla experience), they also are custom scripted for the server in question!

[@popojaga7312]

Turtlewow is damn example and winner, even has proper ingame hardcore mode, tweaked talents to be reasonable, new content, its unreal

[@theventhatiqtho8112]

Same with ascension. That was the second one he talked about.

[@Eaglebrace]

I agreed, the videos i have seen is my envision of classic + could look like. hopefully that dreams will become true. one day lol

[@popojaga7312]

To add best mmo experience in a while was, when you start hardcore, they auto drop you in guild where everyone plays hardcore, most awesome chat, everyone is supportive, helpful, insanely friendly

[@ItsDantuh]

Fantastic server, with sketchy mods unfortunately

[@IvyTinwe]

I started playing on TurtleWoW and it's so much fun. I spent a LOT of time on classic private servers and was driven away by the rush-rush-min-maxing mentality of the official Classic servers. But I think I found a new home there.

[@BattleF08]

As a roleplay guild leader, I'd love to have a private phase where I could build things and run adventures for my guild or community. Creates infinite replay value.

[@kyleellis1825]

Roleplay Heaven private server is perfect for you. It's 100% RP and you get private phases to build whatever you want.

[@BattleF08]

@@kyleellis1825 I fear you may not have heard, but Roleplay Heaven's servers died. Epsilon filled the gap and is actually better. But it doesn't really matter. I lead a great roleplay guild on live, and they are not going to move away from live servers. Therefore what I really want is to see any of such features added to the live game. For me, for them, but also because it would be good for the game itself. I want WoW to be a success.

[@kyleellis1825]

@@BattleF08 No, I quit wow about 3 years ago. But I still love Nixxiom and want to support him, so I'll leave his videos on mute in the background every few weeks. Glad another server filled the gap.

[@Mcdoubles]

Nothing feels better than seeing your own clips in a Nixxiom video.

[@Diogatos]

Let me add that Ascension not only is classless, it also bases itself on Random Enchantments (not related to Enchanting profession, and something that has really grown over the years) which add/change effects and spells.

[@Bamsi-tl4nk]

In my opinion private servers are keeping the World of Warcraft (as a concept still alive) You want to play any expansion fresh, or you didn't have the opportunity to experience certain expansion when were live, now you can find a server for any expansion (including BFA surprisingly) Or you want the classic+ experience, go with Turtle Wow +Many other projects which bring new life to the whole idea of Wow. Blizzard has done just one thing with classic wow, they should be realistic and understand that if they don't make a Wow 2 or a classic+ there will be passionate people to do it. And many others to support it.

[@ShinobiStory]

Ayyyyy Shinobi Story! (We were the Naruto server mentioned! Shameless plug, but we are moving into Beta soon & will host massive improvements! ^^ )

[@peterk.8211]

Good server. I play it and am excited for Beta!

[@shinobiPVP]

1:39 HEY THATS ME! Haha thanks for including me. On the topic of the video YES. THANK GOD someone with an audience is saying this. I agree 400%. Blizzard needs to lease our their engine with a creative license and let people go crazy with it. I myself am working on a game in Unity and to do that I had to learn to code and now 3D model in Blender etc etc. People without the time or money to learn those skills but who still have awesome ideas could be making amazing unique games. Just think about DOTA: created as a custom gamemode for Warcraft 3 that became one of the biggest games in the world. Now compare in your mind the infinite number of possibilities that WoW and it's engine offer to creatives. It's unleashing a torrent of creativity and fresh blood into the gaming market. Even on the "Naruto" server I play on, the devs have created skillshots, summoning and all sorts of crazy jutsu in 3.3.5 WoW. The sky is the limit. I hope Blizzard takes this into account. This could change the whole world.

[@ShinobiStory]

Say my name

[@shinobiPVP]

@@ShinobiStory Only if you buff my mastery ;)

[@ShinobiStory]

@@shinobiPVP Done.

[@tick095]

I think Blizzard were not glad very much with all that DOTA success. 😉

[@shinobiPVP]

​@@tick095 Exactly, if they sit on their hands like they did with DOTA the situation will repeat itself and a competitor will come along to fill that void.

[@anthonyschwartz1084]

It is strange that Blizzard hasn't even implemented any kind of feature for people to return to the game, outside from player driven communities. A turtle WoW like game was asked for and desired ever since Classic was announced. I doubt they will put in the effort on a game they already thought as dead. I doubt they will care about private servers and will continue to know better than players, what they want.

[@Dakblasta]

Well as long as they leave the private servers alone it’s whatever but it would be great if they took notes and made a classic plus plan

[@86Corvus]

I would also prohibit these abominations from springing up. The issue isnt that people wanna play god forsaken monstrosities like turtle or ascension. Its that blizzard isnt holding true to the true core formula of mmorpgs themselves. Vanila wow leveling speed through all expansions, no lfr no lfg no looms no alt friendly no account wide reps and no cross factiom play.

[@midwestbox]

​@@86Corvus literally missed the point of this video. If you want a basic ass version of Classic go play classic as it is. The point is for more creative classic+ servers to exist.

[@naejimba]

So for Wrath, there was a zone underground where you were supposed to meet a whole other faction... that could be expanded upon and an entire other leveling path underground could be added. There is a giant troll temple in Zul'drak where there was supposed to be another planned raid... that could be made. Classes could be rebalanced and affixes could exist that allows for different playstyles of existing specs. New races/classes relevant to the expansion could be introduced like Tuskar for races or Necromancer and classes dealing with dragon aspects like Chronomancer, Dreamwalker, and Dragonsworn (yellow, green, and red respectively). Maybe you bring in goblins and them and the gnomes use the titan tech to have tinkerers in the game. You can do this with any expansion to really flush it out.

[@casualcookin3893]

True i consider WOTLK the peak of what blizzard had to offer,but it can be improved with things such as,pet battles (i know most people dont care about this,but it adds another aspect of the game),new races with cool racial abilities like the Goblin for example,Raid finder for people that dont care about PVE that much but still want to play a bit of it and not waste Weekly CDs Mounts shared between account,Transmog system shared between acc,Garisson was pretty cool so that would be dope in WOTLK,new raids because VOA-OS-Naxx-Ulduar-TOC-ICC-RS is just too little I remember playing B tier MMOs as a kid,and a really cool feature most of them had is opening a small store that would sell items for a price you want to,when you are AFK and people could visit your character and buy things from your store,kinda like auction house but more fun,because it was like a mystery box,what does person X sell for example person X may sell a cool weapon Transmog for a sword for 500 gold,while person Y may sell the same for 350,but sell something else for more money Monk Class and Panda race was very cool,in my OP they should be in such game,and many many more

[@HamsterWheelGaming]

Turtle WoW has been a labor of love for years and years, and a lot of impressive changes to the original core were made way before the server was actually getting half-decent in terms of population. Not to mention projects like Duskhaven, who barely get any attention but have an absolute ton of properly working custom content added to the game. Private servers might not always be great, but they have definitely contributed a lot into the whole + server mentality.

[@Epsyk]

P Servers brought me to WoW. I was 13 and hadn’t the money for the real deal. I tried out several and oh boy, I had fun. Some of them had genius jumping puzzles, others had vendors with the BiS stuff. I ended up on a 1:1 P-Server with normal rates. The problem was, that the P Servers where always relatively empty and I wanted to be part of the crowded party. So with the beginning of Cataclysm I bought the game, paid for the monthly subscription and was part of the biggest MMO ever made.

[@E.R.U.I.L.U.V.A.T.A.R]

It was the same with me. I started playing wow on private server around 15 years ago together with my brother and couple of friends, I was 15 and I had no money to buy the game and pay sub. I played on wotlk private servers for couple of years until I started working then I started playing retail on WoD expansion which wasn’t that good but later was Legion and I had so much fun. I played every expansion since then. I didn’t bought Dragonflight because of personal stuff. But once I deal with that I’m going back to Azeroth. Wow was the only mmorpg that I played constantly.

[@_kazer_]

I had the exact same experience. The feeling of finally being part of the real thing + the new cataclysm zones, races and skills was amazing.

[@Epsyk]

@@_kazer_ yeah, it was a „once in a lifetime“ feeling!

[@gutagelu1327]

One downside to this is further playerbase fragmentation. With so many different servers that are fundamentally different it might lead to smaller population on each of them

[@placeholdername0000]

Make the subscription for servers a certain minimum. If you can't buy less than a 1000 player server you will only have a few that stay for a long time.

[@alexl8864]

THIS is exactly what made Ultima Online special for me when I was a kid and I still miss the custom worlds that I found on that game. It was amazing and I would love it.

[@SpyZ86]

the (semi) custom creation by players has been done by Neverwinter through thier Foundry system, where players were able to make custom dungeons that you could play. I don't know if it still exists but it was fun at the start of the game.

[@ryuno2097]

I remember playing in those custom quests/dungeon player system in Neverwinter, but I think the devs might have removed that feature because when I installed the game like 2 years ago I dont see it anymore.

[@akachi1046]

whats the name of the private server tho

[@iTzSmurfystre]

I would really love a single player version where you can play as you want! Raids/Dungeons and Bgs could be made with AI at a lvl you set, and you can explore the world how you like it. There should also be a possibility to add AI enemies (like horde/alliance) running around in the world.

[@LeBeauFermier]

emucoach cataclysm / mop repack do that

[@user-tz5uq2bt1s]

This is the best idea I've ever heard for handling the private/retail divide. It provides Blizzard with another quite possibly enormous revenue stream as well. One that they really don't need to sink much labor into after it's up and running. Kind of like how their classic server works now. I'm 100% on board.

[@fufu1405]

Turtle WoW blows me away. Fixed specs, new professions, new zones and quests, huge playerbase, different challenges, amazing lfg tool that still has you run to the dungeon, but actually helps you find groups. It’s everything I want out of Classic+. Imagine what Blizz could be doing by employing some of the of WoW devs who understand the vision of old school WoW. Classic+ doesn’t need a huge team, vanilla content doesn’t require extremely detailed textures, zones, quests, voice acting, none of that. A small team of desicated og devs could run Classic+ and they would 100% kill modern WoW off. I’m never looking back, I’m truly done with retail WoW (be it modern or classic). Turtle WoW is it for me.

[@Infernoblade1010]

Ascension is insane!! Played it on and off for years! Really hope they push their wrath server. They could also call it Sands of Time where every server is a separate time-line to make sense in universe.

[@ASNS117Zero]

I played Ascension a lot a couple years back. The problem when I played it, at least in PVE, is that it's literally the whole "you play this optimized spec" thing you see in raiding in the real game, but dialed up to 11, to where your raid leaders pretty much gave you a spec, and you played it, and that was it. The raids themselves were set up in such a way that there was a lot of just RNG on some bosses that made it way too random on success or failure (Prince in Kara was notorious for this). And that's assuming the boss worked. If you just played 5 man content it was great, but if you wanted to progress into raid content, the game was absolutely horrible, and there wasn't enough content to keep people interested if you didn't go into raids because clearing the 5 man content was pretty easy once you got some items. I remember hearing they were going to take some steps to fix the content up a bit, particularly with the RNG on certain bosses, but I left before they got there. Ascension's draw was really based around it's gimmicks, particularly in PVP, but I wasn't that kind of player lol.

[@luvhair255]

@@ASNS117Zero In my experience after being here for a year, it depends on your guild. But unfortunately there still is a little bit of meta going on. It's still so much better than being pigeon holed and there's tons of interesting builds I haven't even dipped into.

[@ASNS117Zero]

@@luvhair255 I suppose that's true. The amount of meta that I had to deal with was kind of obnoxious, but at the time there was like, maybe 3 or 4 guilds even trying to do raid content on the whole server on my faction.

[@86Corvus]

So you like inconsequential garbage?

[@mekz22]

​@@ASNS117Zero Yeah, nothing has changed really. As someone who cleared all Ascended raids in S7 I can easily say that it's still the same. The meta builds still blow everything else out of the water, and of course they're entirely RNG to get. If you wanna raid Ascended difficulty the meta builds are also required. The server has a ton of flaws and big issues. Ascension saw a massive surge of players early season 7 but started rapidly bleeding them out around halfway through. The devs got noticeably more greedy, there's been a lot of completely absurd changes, major balancing issues, the constant attempts to revive PvP content by luring in PvE players etc. Season 8 launch was a colossal failure and heavily criticized. They spent the first few months undoing terrible/greedy changes no one asked for. tl;dr Ascension is a shitshow, got popular and was then promptly ran to the ground by greed and incompetence.

[@kaiga5697]

I love Turtle, I'm having a great time there!

[@TothBalesz]

This phenomenon is something that happened to many other games like Jedi Academy, Dark Souls, Skyrim and so on. People made quality of life improvements, created new maps and abilities, reworked the game engines, they literally created new games out of the existing ones. Hell, The Restored Content mod is basically essential if you want to play KOTOR 2. These moders have so much passion and respect for these games that they can create wonders. However, everything is so business oriented and corporate these days that IPs can not evolve. Knowing Blizzard's past with Dota, it is sort of understandable that they are so protective and rigid, but they could benefit from these people's work and ideas.

[@Pumkin932]

Of course it's gonna be considered dumb by most, but what I was looking forward to on the official WoW classic launch... was the OG weather effects. Most especially the snowstorms. I remember them being around way back in the day but were nerfed at some point. It was part of the living and breathing world I remember. I dunno whether the effects were purposely kept nerfed (with snowstorms entirely removed) or if the classic team was completely unaware of it when they ported the game to the modern client. If you go to a vanilla private server and make a character in dun morogh, there's a good chance you'll see the snowstorm while running through the zone. It was amazing. At least they kept the server day/night cycle as it was, getting dark at 9pm instead of frikin 12am like it is on retail. I haven't been able to see it get dark in retail for years because I can't stay up that late. WHY was that change ever made anyway? Rant over.

[@midwestbox]

As someone whose made, coded, and made custom content for wow servers many years ago when the first cores released, it's been awesome seeing how creative and wild people have gotten with the custom content, especially turtle wow and ascension. Even though I don't play either that much these days (patiently waiting on conquest of azeroth to fully release so I don't get burnt out on testing) I can still respect and appreciate how creative they are. As cool as Blizzard officially hosting these servers would be it would be a nightmare in terms of UGC and server caps not to mention a lot of server staffs absolutely hate blizzard themselves.

[@LucasGualbertoSilva]

Do you know the name of the third server Nixxiom mentioned? I'm really interested in building/making content with WoW assets and so on.

[@GreatJaggia]

after all these years of remembering the fight of characters mod for WC3 i finally see it in WoW brings a tear to my eye also! you should totally be able to talk to a green dragonflight and take a "dream" that's just a custom dungeon/instance/etc

[@nexeus7302]

Turtle WoW just released new major patch. Human Hunter and Troll lock amongst many other things. They actually added the content which Blizzard didn't in 2004. Mount Hyjal lvl 60 zone, raid, new leveling zone Gilneas and so many other things.

[@keymacaroon-uh7kj]

Having a retail wow server that worked like Ascension honestly sounds kind of dope, although I'm not sure how blizzard would get it to work since retail gameplay has a lot more flow between individual spells and abilities in a specific class. That flow isn't a bad thing, but it does make it hard to get an Ascension style "pick your own abilities" game kind of hard to get working properly.

[@Shalnar]

As an ascension player for the past few years,like as of feb 7th2019,i quit retail after playing since the beginning and jeez,idk if ill ever come back because of how far ascension has gotten,blizzard has tried to touch them with i think 3 or 4 different failed lawsuits but cant because it is its own thing,it looks like wow and talks like wow but it isnt wow at its core because even as you said Nixxiom,its insane what you can do in that game,my grandpa and I have saved so much money instead of paying 15$ a month or gold dumping into the game to keep us goin,but its nuts how far these private servers have gotten.

[@no3nagash]

I love this idea, Warcraft 3’s world generator was one of the best features that Blizzard had created for their games, but I doubt they will be open to this. Ever since they lost DOTA’s IP, the whole community driven content thing left a bad taste in Blizzards mouth and appear to be adverse to be open to any ideas that could lead to it happen again.

[@justinparker7712]

#1 thing for me is Blizz needs to stop adding new expansion continents and patch zones, there are PLENTY of existing zones that are sitting stuck in time with good storylines that can be continued, why add another zone that nobody will go to after the next patch that is half as good as the zones from Classic?

[@LucasGualbertoSilva]

Does anyone know the name of the third private server? With all the building assets and all.

[@SnikrDudle]

It's also the player experience that chases people away from retail. I found retail felt almost hostile towards the newbie player that hasn't experienced Warcraft before. My husband and I had always wanted to play WOW together but found ourselves quitting pretty quickly and moving to a private server where the community was more geared towards the content experience for those who don't know the mechanics yet and they are a lot more helpful. I found as a new player, I didn't know how to handle being griefed or getting chucked out of dungeons because I wasn't sure about the ins and outs of the different classes yet. I've only experienced other players helping the newbie on private servers. The experience I had on retail as a new player put me off ever going back. If I can't play on private, I don't want to play and I doubt I'm the only one who feels that way.

[@dekuknight2058]

For anyone who is scared of losing their stuff due to a private server getting shut down...don't worry. It is a non-issue. Nostalrius was the only one blizz ever took down and it was not permanent. Today Nostalrius is back up and running under the name Elysium AND everyone got their characters ported so they got to keep their stuff.

[@traviscue2099]

I still remember the day it happened haha even if I had lost everything it was one of the best mmorpg experiences I've ever had.

[@kazookiddo7605]

Does anyone know what is the name of the third server Nixxiom mentioned?? I am searching but can't find it.

[@Cragsand]

Been saying this for ages that Blizzard adopting a Minecraft style community modding, login and revenue system would absolutely explode its popularity again. You can never match the creativity of the community. All Blizzard does now is DMCA and takedown community creativity, even TurtleWoWs KZbin videos, which just harms everyone involved including their reputation. I think it's all down to corporate pride sadly and the greedy actions of the company has already gone too far to redeem itself. Maybe if Microsoft bought them from Activision, that could be one way.

[@jacobmeeler1256]

I wouldn’t mind Classic+, I’m not crazy about Retail but there are some really cool features like retail hunters, more classes for each race and the like.

[@joshwood9164]

I really do think this idea has some merit. It would be hard to get going initially, but if they did this, it would put WoW back at the forefront of MMO ingenuity for sure. I wonder if it would detract or alter how they run it currently, what effect it could have on regular content release to keep their regular audience happy. But this big addition to the game would add endless longevity to it, and definitely would attract new players.

[@Mallikeet]

This is something I've thought about a lot, since it's something that no high profile MMO's have seemingly ever done. It feels like it could be a real ace in the hole once the game truly starts to die and if a World of Warcraft 2 isn't something they seek to develop. By effectively letting the community develop their own versions of World of Warcraft that go in whatever direction they want, while still requiring a subscription fee to host or access those custom versions, it would easily extend the longevity of the game theoretically infinitely even if Blizzard loses interest in actively developing or investing heavily in it themselves and still having cash flow in.

[@yankokassinof6710]

very true, this adds to my comment aswell where i talked about terraria, if terraria devs stopped updating today, there would still be thousand of hours worth of modded content to play, and the 5 big mods are extremely well done too, so its not like ur getting budget stuff, its actual quality content supported by the community

[@maxvanfleet]

I highly recommend Turtle WoW, great experience, you can feel the original vanilla feeling, and they concentrate to keep that ! Always adding new stuffs and new music to the custom zones . If you want play vanilla go and play Turtle WoW !

[@kysfggt]

that's not vanilla, but a custom game on vanilla maps

[@TheNekromancer]

I wish i could enjoy more of TT WoW, but the ping is so brutal from South America, so its barely unplayable :\

[@Dakblasta]

@@kysfggtthat’s very disengenous go play it

[@Dakblasta]

@@TheNekromancerya it would really suck to have to play from South America sorry to hear that man I’m on east coast us and it has problems sometimes

[@kysfggt]

@@Dakblasta i dont like custom servers so no thx

[@chainclaw07]

The FF Tactics Jon system is the best rpg class system I've ever played. Lvl1 you can choose between squire/physical and chemist/magical. Then at lvl3 of squire you unlock knight and archer. Each job has a skill menu and leveling that job you can get more skills within said skill menu. However, characters can have 2 job skill menus at any time... each job also has passive and active skills that you have if its your active/main job but can be unlocked and used alongside another main job. For example Ninja can equip a weapon in each hand. That passive can be used on a Knight and you can use two knight swords(that are not specifically two handed) it makes dual classing really fun.

[@matthewhilty4209]

Yep the chances of Blizzard doing this would about the same as Nintendo doing this. It is a fun idea but would also be a legal copyright enforcement nightmare.

[@beyOndzZz]

Arena-tournament back in the days was the best wow experience ive ever had.

[@mwah7737]

Shinobi Story is pretty cool I probably played it for 100 hours. It’s definitely for more hardcore gamers though.

[@ShinobiStory]

Ayy! Thanks for trying us! We're revamping how leveling is in our beta!

[@Ripcoilx]

I've wanted a WoW Editor just like WC3 Editor. Would absolutely be legendary.

[@pusillirex]

Man I've played these 3 exact servers so much. I love playing the classless server (it helps I'm a altoholic), leveling through BGs alone is very enjoyable I think I also spend my time in the RP one like I would in Minecraft. I never RP. I love exploring phases and seeing what people build, and since then I've been wondering how some zones weren't just remade in HD. Because to be honest, with a blizzard artist's tools and just doodads from previous xpacs, you could redo a classic zone in a week, all alone!

[@Yrenne]

@@karlsmink Epsilon

[@ryuno2097]

@@Yrenne thanks, i was wondering what's the 3rd private server called.

[@Yota-us6qk]

I’ve had a break to wow for a wile because I’ve played alot and after like a year of break I’ve just seen this video and I personally think this video is the best content about wow that I’ve heard about and is not even from blizzard. You got a pretty good point out there , and this is what I call an instant sub to the channel. You just maid me feel interested in wow again, keep it going buddy!! 🎉❤

[@DrBeefy]

Turtle WoW is amazing!

[@josephfaulcon7169]

I’ve always believed we should have a sandbox server where most of this is possible

[@widowleaf]

Turtle Club has been a better home in a month then wow was the past few years. Classic+ is the best!

[@isaacengelhardt1934]

If Blizzard managed to release a realm system or even some sort of server license, they would make so much money. I know a lot of people that would be ecstatic to level and live in one of these unique servers, too. Even more so if they have the peace of mind that Blizzard gave it the thumbs up.

[@justcus]

they need to get over themselves and just hire devs from turtle wow and use the framework they’ve already built to make it N official version of classic and then continue to add onto it as it goes on.

[@ghostshell438]

I might not be the first to say this but, this could actually keep the game alive.

[@voodoo1069]

I really want a blizz supported ascension style server the idea of building a class instead of picking one the first time you look in seems pretty interesting but I don't like going on private servers.

[@jameswilkinson8940]

Ive thought the same thing. Open source the wow source code and adopt a spotify-like model where users pay a flat sub fee and severs get payed based on the users they attract + maybe a cash shop, I can't see who would lose out of this scenario and its the only way to keep the very diverse wants of the wow community, rather than trying to keep everyone happy each expansion. There is also something about the lack of 'officialness' that puts me off private servers, which matters in a game that demands so much time, along with the risk that the server could go down any day. WoW would basically become a platform rather than a game, which would allow blizzard to focus on good server infrastructure to enable players to play all over the world with low ping along with providing very good modding tools.

[@patrickstar1164]

Hi, blizz dev here. You see, fun is illegal in our company. But don't get upset. We got a lot of store mounts coming soon!

[@kyleellis1825]

I'd just like a server to shuffle around the level ranges of zones/dungeons. We've all done the same zones before, so for a BC server, make outlands a 1-60 experience for Illidin/Kael'thas/Vashj/Akama's forces uniting the horde/alliance/Night Elves Maiev brought stranded on a dying world. Phase 2: You escape to Azeroth and all of EK/Kalimdor is level 60 content.

[@dragosalexpop]

Dude the level of detail many of the builds featured in this video is amazing. What server is it at 10:10 or 10:20? Or the 3rd mentioned server with the roleplaying and worldbuilding aspect?

[@cchir0n]

The server at those time stamps is RevelationWOW I believe. It’s back in development though. Don’t know what the RP servers name is

[@LethalOwl]

The RP server is most likely Epsilon. It's amazing, the stuff people have built on there.

[@darren5905]

Been playing on Turtlefor months and love it. The community is great and extra content made shows a real love. No interest in going back. I haven't even explored the new content yet as I'm doing the HC challange and the HC community makes it

[@Makofueled]

Ayy same

[@Dkmachine]

THE TURTLE CLUB!

[@SillyGirlKisser74]

Nixxiom literally giving Blizzard a multimillion idea for free and they're not going to listen lmao

[@Dakblasta]

Turtle wow is the best man the community vibe is perfect

[@Tipzpapa]

So, technically Blizzard HAS done this with Overwatch 1. For all the reasons you listed, it was a huge success. Game modes players created, Blizzard adopted and are a part of the game to this day. If they did this for WoW, the results would be the same, but I'd imagine the scale of the job is much bigger.

[@TheTraderStan]

Shoutout to the Ascension Private Server! It's so good! The classless aspect is so amazing. I literally made a Bard type character who's job is buffing and supporting other players, it's so much fun LOL

[@Kippzo]

I've played Nost and other older expansion servers before classic and they were always extremely popular because people already knew what they were and wanted to play it, before nostalrius private servers like Molten WoW had a huge issue of people playing on them, learning that it was pay to win, and then never touching them again. After Nost servers like Elysium and Northdale repeated the style of being "Nost Like" which was always more popular than ascension wow and other creative servers no question. I think it's a mistake to group Blizz-like servers with servers that offer a brand new wow experience, and while I don't think they're a bad idea, I don't think it's worth blizzards time/money to invest a complicated system like that, there just isn't all that much proof of concept besides these ones that are more popular recently that could only be seeing more traffic because of an lack of SoM2. I still wish that they'd do something like this, but I think the chance is maybe 0.1%, at least one creative server would have to be so popular that they can't ignore it, and right now they're very easy to ignore.

[@amandacuellar6539]

These are such good idea, if blizz implemented stuff like this i'd come back in a heartbeat. The stuff we get from blizz now is just so stale and boring, in my opinion

[@tree4104]

its about time they change up the formula, it clearly isnt working anymore.

[@srspanksalot4501]

The classless one is amazing, genuinely. It is a completely different gameplay loop, it feels high quality, and it is extremely unique. I am so glad at least someone is talking about it.

[@C_Poumpouris]

I agree with you 100% on this one and I would also like to add that every big game should do this, let the people build what they want to play and host the servers

[@spozznik9246]

What i didn’t like was the “you think you do but you don’t”. I think we proved we dooo loll

[@purpledragonofdoom]

I really feel like you should have named the servers and give credits to the hard working guys behind them, they really deserved it. Anyway, Turtle WoW is a great server and I could not recommend it enough. I hope one day Blizzard releases a vanilla+ server as good as Turtle WoW is.

[@anthonyschwartz1084]

Would be nice. Only if the stakeholders find it a good idea though.

[@purpledragonofdoom]

@@RSBrokeYa I don't think he would get banned just for saying some private servers names lol

[@ShinobiStory]

Shinobi Story (Naruto) Ascension (Classless PvE) Epsilon (Building RP) Turtle WoW (Vanilla Custom)

[@kennta340]

🤦‍♂️

[@ItsDantuh]

@@purpledragonofdoomI got banned for saying tank threat is an unfun mechanic 💀💀

[@MyndZero]

I think there would absolutely be a big market here for Blizzard, content creators aside you would probably pull in new/old people into their subscription system to play on these servers & also keep people from unsubbing if there's all these servers they can try out instead. The problem is more so how restricted it is because you can do a lot of things on private servers currently like through modding the client which likely wouldn't be possible on an official thing so they would need to make tools that are essentially as powerful. I'd imagine on their end there would be a lot of things they would need to change to make this work but it would be great for the game, it would absolutely end up influencing the main game as well.

[@johnsterling5425]

I absolutely back this idea! However! Last time blizzard gave players tool was Warcraft III World Editor, which spawned DOTA. So, Blizz is scared of moding communities. I'm sure you know the history.

[@johnsterling5425]

Think of how out-of-touch Blizz is. They let DOTA go when they pretty much owned it on WC3. It would take an extreme cultural change of Blizz's leadership to understand.

[@ruskyhusky69]

Hey Nixxiom! What you said in this clip is 100% what my thoughts have been these past 10 years. Even before they finally announced Classic, i have been thinking - Okay, that's cool and all. But it is SO SMALL in comparison to the potential of what WoW community can be. You just put all the arguments for it in the informative video format to make that point clear. So thank you for that! 🙂

[@henrikmygren]

I wish someone at Blizzard saw this and saw players reasoning for private servers. Customized classes and world building. They could make wow so much more alive(playerwise aswell) if they gave player more freedom. They could still keep their retail version as the "canon" version and storyline. But as told in this video already. What wonders in world building that could have been made if player could create their own version or build further on established lore/world. But foremost a way for players to tell their stories in Azeroth. Like a big rpg boardgame with new campaigns but with different servers.

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

3:45 Turtle wow. 4:28 Ascension Never heard of the 3rd one, must be pretty small, the other ones are 2 of the most popular servers. Also keep in mind that, pservers are literally less buggy and have nearly no bots compared to Blizzard servers. There are more bots on Blizzard servers than actual players these days.

[@ZanesZygot]

pretty sure it's Epsilon

[@MhWow66]

I have repacks for Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, Cata, Mop, and Legion. Sure i can only play on my own but the things i can do as im in control of the whole world is entertaining in itself.

[@mcfarvo]

TurtleWoW 🐢 comment

[@robind.2290]

As a long time WoW player, I can only agree with the video and the comments that followed it. I find myself being less than enthusiastic about playing the game in recent months, even with the new expansion. The game is amazing, each expansion had something new to offer, but I don't think just adding on to the existing game is the answer. There is no cohesive marriage from one expansion to another: one does not build on the previous one, it makes no sense! Plus I find myself making new alts just to reexperience leveling through an expansion, with nothing new gained. I have been watching videos about private servers and am contemplating trying one out just to see the difference!

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

The last one you mentioned, the RP one? I'm in there. I love it. It's called "World of Warcraft Epsilon". It's SUPER fun. I just wish they'd have the Shadowlands mogs and mounts. But other than that, I LOVE the game. It's also got a great Community.

[@zonolith5912]

I'm playing it RN and it's amazing to sit down and make whatever you want lol

[@VoiceOfTheEmperor]

@@zonolith5912 Agreed.

[@Yrenne]

I haven't RP'd there as I don't really roleplay anymore but I love checking out all the phases and seeing the amazing projects people have made. It also made me realize how quickly some older zones could theoretically be updated visually by just using assets from recent expansions. There are several phases where people have remade zones like Westfall and Elwynn and they all look gorgeous.

[@danielmcdougle6925]

I've been think this same thing for a while. Wow meets GMod is the way I thought of it in my head Edit As for why blizzard hasn't done this is I think it comes down to the fact that blizzard can't compete with the flexibility of a small private dev team. Blizzard doesn't want to deal with them being told to do it like "x" server

[@jamescarter6468]

The only issue I have with private servers is the fact that the Devs don’t get any compensation

[@luvhair255]

Many of them do through donation systems.

[@raydon1488]

Servers like warmane and ascension have made millions through their ingame shops.

[@zombieinferno]

For years I played BG based private servers. No quests, just honor based gear buying and leveling. Loved it. I would definitely enjoy a Blizzard run battleground/war zone only server. Same goes for Vanilla+ servers. Best part of the journey is old school 1-60.

[@Adudeinthewoodz]

Good Warmane didn't make it onto his list... the Icecrown server has big enough login ques every day as it is lol. I can appreciate WoTLK in all of it's glory, without feeding Blizzard money.

[@Menhtrol]

Cant wait for the bald one to react to this... 😃😃

[@DrBeefy]

@AsmonTV where you at sexy beast!

[@Jeppezzzful]

Blizzard should give the players an editor like wc3 - it was absolutely the only reason wc3 became so beloved and lived for so long

[@TheTTopaz]

I remember back in the days of me first getting into WoW once I ran outta WoW time since I only got it once in a while being just a broke high school kid. I'd play all sorts of Private servers. GM servers where I'd just spend my time creating a cool mog and flying around people's custom rooms, areas and such. Leveling road servers where I'd just spawn into starting area with a bunch of vendors then teleport out to a road to endlessly level to like lvl255 or something with no other goal other than to level. Good times. I do nowadays hop onto that "classless" server now and again on the draft mode realm doing the survivalist challenge with a group of friends. It's a lot of fun!

[@2yt4u.14.]

I have houndreds of hours on private servers and they certainly enhanced my love for this game and world. I wouldnt like WoW as much as i do without these servers. They enabled me to play different expansions which i missed. Also i was able to experience new custom content which was always nice. And it feels great to just chill and not worrying about using your time efficient because you dont pay a sub fee or anything at all. In the end i always come back to retail and i prefer it but Private Servers are in my opinion a strong part of WoW in general. This idea of giving people the creator tools is awesome. It would be like the Seed in SAO. Retail WoW benefits from the private servers

[@asdasvedas1]

There are some really good ideas that can make classic servers a massive success: 1- Turtle WoW: solid content creation, hardcore mode, slow and steady mode with their respected unique rewards. Those rewards can be re-iterated but the ideas are there. 2- Whitemane: 15% xp boost per every max level character you have on the server and it stacks. Lets face it: nobody enjoys leveling at this point as i myself leveled over 100+ characters across blizzard and private servers. I dont wish to go through any of that ever again which is why i avoid "start fresh" bullshit, also the reason why i didnt play TBC classic and why i wont play wotlk classic. Make the leveling of your initial character x3 or more and stack up from there. A several random dudes can do it in their fuckin basements, you can do it in your billion dollar offices. 3- Speaking only for vanilla on this one; make the bosses drop 5+ items and last bosses 7+ items. I dont wanna waste 7 months chasing after a single item. 2 items for 40 people just wont do, no matter what else you do to improve the game. It all comes down to your endgame satisfaction. 4- Enough with the harder content nonsense. Just because a group of bums with nothing going on in their lives wanted more challenging content doesnt mean the game's gonna be great. Private servers born and die each and every day, take a fuckin hint already. If you cater to super hardcore player base which makes up between 1-5% of the entire player population you will fail right from the get go. There is a reason why vanilla classic was such a massive success and that was the feeling of satisfaction. The content was super easy, even for my standarts as a casual, which was more accessible across all skill levels. More and more people achieved success and in turn more and more people wanted to continue playing. Keeping an average player happy as opposed to super hardcore boys proved to be a lot more profitable in the long run.

[@reiidw]

What are the names of the private servers he was talking about?

[@MuttleyGames]

Played around 9 years of MoP on a PVP realm after i quit retail in WoD. Not im back for Dragonflight but i still miss the old class design and community. The thing private servers do much better than retail is the social interactions. Private servers have usually 1 or 2 realms and usually the factions are very balanced because you can't just transfer to another server. Private servers allow you to see the same players in dungeons and battleground which makes familiar players your friends. Being able to finish a good battleground and seeing that one person with who you defended the base and won the bg and him being next to the pvp vendor...In retail you never see the same people in the world and they become faceless characters. If you're an a-hole the server knows you and you won't get into groups but you can make friends in group content that you can play together for years. I am really missing this interaction in retail.

[@drey--]

As a player of one of this servers, I can say world customization is NOT that hard, simple chat commands can do it. My dream is to have an actual system to build in-game, that could even support mods and new models. It would move WoW into a roblox-like direction, but I can say for sure, there are a LOT of creative people wanting to do new things inside the wow universe, this has a lot of potential.

[@johnroxton3269]

i play on private servers cause i dont want to give blizzard money

[@987654321nelson]

Vr mode now and remodeling of the initial maps. Increase the value of things in gold and wizards need to start using potions for mana. Archers need to spend arrows again, warriors have weapon Spent during fights etc, there has to be more difficulty. They could put a house for each guild, which could have trophies displayed for each boss killed. Also trophies for arenas won etc something sample that was won

[@mcfarvo]

Vanilla Azeroth + Bethesda style modding community = endless content

[@Bitterman5868]

May happen once the deal goes in, Microsoft is VERY mod friendly.

[@FlexxibleFree]

That's pretty much what they did in Path of Exile with Custom Leagues, so people would have tools to create specific challenges, and make their own madness

[@LethalOwl]

Hell to the yes-sir. I'd hope Blizzard just spend a day inspecting the depth and amazing features of some of these servers and maybe even hire their creators directly, to bring these systems over to retail/classic/whatever.

[@punydag9843]

"PÖLLI THINK TOKEN IS DISHONOR." -PÖLLI, a shoeless troll rogue (my 1st vanilla age character 2005-2009)