Six Flags Entertainment Selling Off Parks

[@HYDRAdude]

It's wild how much the OG Six Flags park is neglected, especially when it's in one of the country's largest metro regions.

[@GooseTCB]

I sure hope SFOT gets loaded with investment. It and Great Adventure were the first parks to get rides removed presumably to replace them with big investments, so maybe upper management sees SFOT and Great Adventure as the legacy six flags parks they most desire to upgrade to being a top park. Makes sense because Dallas is booming and the park is well attended.

[@constable012]

I would tend to think that Great America would still be a park they invest in at least somewhat heavily. I don't necessarily see huge coasters like a lot of the other parks, but I could certainly see them totally overhauling the kids/family areas of the park. Maybe cedar fair budget could even give them an elite level coaster as some point in the future using the go karts or roaring rapids areas. I feel like that park performs too well to be left out.

[@tommiller4895]

Recently there has been some bad press about the "closing" of the Kingda Ka Coaster at Six Flags Great Adventure. Under the new plan maybe it will get a long overdue major upgrade.

[@stephenn2810]

New rumor is it might be replaced with a more reliable giga

[@DebonairSoul13]

I agree that CGA and SFA are the first to go. I would add King’s Dominion to the parks that will receive investments. Once SFA has been sold, they will use KD to compete against Busch Gardens Williamsburg. They’ve already started the investments with the re-theming of a large section of the park (Jungle Expedition), rebranding/painting I-305, re-profiling/re-tracking Grizzly, and adding two new roller coasters (Trumbili and Rapterra). They’re trying to challenge BGW for the market and that’s more fun for all!!!

[@lanceflx63]

KD already competes with BGW…has been.

[@MattMcIrvin]

@@lanceflx63 That was the rivalry from square one. I think Six Flags America was essentially doomed from birth--it had been a small park mostly devoted to an animal attraction, and I suppose the logic behind making it a big regional park was that Washington, DC didn't have one, but I can state from personal experience that people in the DC suburbs always saw Kings Dominion, Hersheypark and even BGW as quasi-home parks. Because of the traffic, getting to Six Flags America from the western Virginia suburbs isn't that easy anyway, and when KD or Hersheypark offers a better experience, the advantage isn't great.

[@michaezell4607]

​@@MattMcIrvinSFA had potential but Burke and co. Squandered it when they chose to spend heavily on their so called big four markets in the early 2000s.

[@frenchy1224]

As an employee at Six Flags Great Escape I don't believe that park is on the chopping block. It has recently received some investment with Bobcat (new for 2024), Hurricane Wings full service restaurant open year round (replacing Johnny Rockets), and has the Lodge. The Lodge is a huge money source for the park. Routinly sold out many times during the year, has the indoor water park, and brings in profit when the theme park is closed. The attendance for Great Escape is steady year-to-year and brings in a solid, reliable income for the company I believe. It's something locals visit yearly and has a huge draw for Canadians.

[@WalterRexAndSofie]

Good old Upstate New York; I used to go there in the 80's when it was called StoryTown!

[@coastingalong]

as much as i’d love to believe great escape will stay in the chain, all of those investments were made pre merger. and as we’ve learned with kingda ka, plans are changing rapidly. so nothing is safe at this point

[@frenchy1224]

@@coastingalong Oh absolutely, but having the resort (a steady annual income) is what will save this park. I believe smaller parks without a resort will be let go first. Michigan's Adventure, Frontier City, Worlds of Fun, SF America, etc.

[@coastingalong]

@ that’s true. i almost feel like great escape would be better off on its own. they’d actually be able to prioritize their own growth rather than pray six flags shows them any attention.

[@johnchambers8528]

Obviously Six Flags will consider selling off marginally profitable parks. They have a lot of debt and this is one way to help reduce that burden. The big problem is who is left to buy the parks they want to sell? While there are other somewhat larger operators out there they face the same problem as Six Flags. Some parks particularly those operated in the northern part of the USA will always be seasonal parks due to winter weather. Anybody buying one of the older parks would also have to consider how much more new investment would be necessary to keep them attractive to the local area patrons.

[@stormchaser419]

Six Flags Great Adventure will be the Magic Mountain of the East. I think Kings Dominion will get major investments also. Not KI or CP money but they might want to really compete hard with BG after getting rid of SF America.

[@CrumsTheCreator]

KD won’t get as much investments because the county rejected their tax write off proposal they wanted which lead them to start investing in Carowinds over KD in the early 2010s - Present. It seems like they are buffing up KD but they are so behind in the family market to bgw it would be almost impossible to dethrone BGW to the general public.

[@spentron1]

@@CrumsTheCreator That whole KD vs. Caro story is too convenient, Carowinds justified being a better park than it was due to its market and still arguably will be falling behind KD again next year.

[@CrumsTheCreator]

@@spentron1 Carowinds has a way more promising market than KD. Richmond is dying compared to Charlotte. It truly comes down to a huge tax break proposal that Richmond rejected and NC honored. So around 2015 cedar fair started heavily investing in Carowinds. At a rate that outpaces KD.

[@spentron1]

@@CrumsTheCreator Right, a more promising market and even after the Intimidators, Caro had a clearly inferior lineup, so no tax deal story is necessary except it sounded good. If Volcano was still running Caro would still be behind, and next year with Rapterra they will be behind again. I went to Caro first time in '98 and ... wow, Hurler was clearly the best ride in the park (quite good at the time, but still).

[@CrumsTheCreator]

@@spentron1 the tax break has everything to do with it. When you’re talking about saving 20 or 30 million over the course of 20 years that becomes a much higher priority for the company than a coaster lineup for enthusiasts. It also makes more money available for future investments that they would have otherwise spent. If you try think these decisions are only based to please enthusiasts you’re wrong.

[@Carolinacoasters1]

Dorney ain’t going nowhere anytime soon.

[@AmusementInsiders]

I am eyeing it due to its location in a very active area of Amusement Parks. Great Adventure and Dorney are very close

[@Carolinacoasters1]

@@AmusementInsiders They just dumped a pretty good sized investment with iron menace.

[@realthrills5448]

The ride Iron Menace was a test, if it didn’t bring more people to Dorney then it’s toast.

[@gadgefan48]

@@Carolinacoasters1 If they do get sold, it will be to another park chain or independent owner. Selling it to someone to close that park in particular would be incredibly stupid and a complete tragedy, which I just don’t see.

[@sharkheadism]

@@Carolinacoasters1 Iron Menace was planned, designed, and purchased before the merger.

[@LyndsieDances]

Troublesome coasters and several parks are out the door sadly. We want to invest in more family friendly rides. The big 7 parks will get a majority of the bigger coasters. However we want affordable and family fun rides for everyone.

[@themeparksofamerica]

I honestly think that Worlds of Fun would be a great theme park to transform into something like Carowinds. The population is increasing in the area & Kansas City, MO could use some more coasters. Worlds of Fun also only occupys 70 to 80% of the land they own

[@MidnightRailfan]

Slowly is blatant lie from them. Kingda Ka closure with no announcement? If I’m wrong great, but an incredibly stupid decision to close it quietly is bs

[@Cythrox]

Its a even worse decision to tell the world about it.

[@Themeparkanxiety]

If you knew how bad a shape this ride was in behind the scenes, you'd be asking why didn't they close it 5 years ago.

[@josecalderon8133]

They should've made the decision earlier to give riders a full or at least half the season to ride it ​@@Themeparkanxiety

[@Peter_9_9_9]

@@josecalderon8133 Either way it's going to be a PR disaster on the second load station there was a train that had its seats completely taken apart with the restraints just sitting on the empty train really everything everyone has been seeing just says the end times for Ka are very much near but its sad either way we put it

[@NickyD]

@@Themeparkanxiety not a excuse el toro is in worse shape and isnt leaving hell its had two major accidents and ka didnt

[@greghaus]

Six Flags Great America should see a lot of investment / improvements. It has one of the best coaster lineups in the former Six Flags chain, is consistently busy and located directly between Chicago & Milwaukee. I would love this to be on par with Kings Island, and think it has that potential in the next 5 to 8 years. I'm kind of surprised it doesn't at least have one of those large gold stars you have on Magic Mountain, Carowinds, and Six Flags over Texas.

[@CoasterVet]

I was thinking the same thing. I would think Great America in Illinois would be one of the star parks. It’s in a busy area with no major parks for around 6 hours.

[@Foxtrotalex]

How corporate and wordy can we make our objectives? Six Flags- hold my beer.

[@michaezell4607]

It's going to be the same thing we've seen since 1999. The larger parks get spoiled rotten at the expense of the smaller parks in the chain and then they'll start redistributing the assets from the smaller parks to the spoiled rotten ones.

[@irREVERENDly]

What about Darien Lake? Too close to Wonderland? Concerns about Marineland purchase/future? Lots of space but little investment.

[@cyruswu2744]

It isn't owned by Six Flags, just operated by. I assume the investment trust would make the decision.

[@johnd2385]

They've got to be pretty worried that a major player like Universal is going to buy Marineland.

[@NightLifeN8]

Since Darien Lake is only operated by Six Flags, it is easy money for Six Flags. From my understanding though, an ultimatum was delivered to the holding park owners. If they want Six Flags to continue to operate the park, they must finish the GCI Titan retrack for Predator, and reinstate 2 train operation on all roller coasters except Boomerang. It is also rumored that they make receive 1 or more relocated rides from other parks.

[@KWHCoaster]

​@@johnd2385All that land in Niagara, Dougie is going to make sure housing developer buddies get that land.

[@jameshartkopf2843]

Of coarse CGA is closing. That was established years ago.

[@JWooden271]

I could see SF Over Georgia getting some additional water park investment, while SF White Water is sold for redevelopment. Also, replace the SFOG West Lot with a multistory car park (a la Universal), and the East Lot becomes a massive slate for park expansion.

[@edt-ze3ke]

Both were once part owned until SF recently acquired the rights to have full ownership on both properties. They’ll 100% see more investment in the coming years given its location towards Atlanta

[@Fightingmoon341]

I have a feeling the water park In glendale will be sold off possibly to Mattel seeing as it’s 20 minutes away from the Mattel adventure park and they could get a good offer from that

[@mitchellries256]

I hope they keep Six Flags America and Six Flags Darien Lake. It looks like the company is starting to put more attention into them. I can not say the same about La Ronde or Frontier City. I say Frontier City should go to Herschend Entertainment, Great Escape should go to Palace Entertainment, and La Ronde should go to Merlin Entertainment. They could turn it into the Thorpe Park of North America under their leadership.

[@thomasstabler6184]

Darien has potential if they manage it right.... give them green lantern as a floor less, a refurbished mind eraser that got the vest restraints, titian tracked predator. Lock Ness monster treatment for viper, and a new famliy lsm launch coaster... you got somthing solid

[@NickyD]

zero chance

[@NickyD]

@@thomasstabler6184 GL is being demolished

[@clempocap]

I don't see the problem with the La Ronde lease. The buyer would just take over the lease. La Ronde's location is absolutely unbeatable: it's downtown and is served by subway. It's like having a six flags in Central Park NYC. One problem with this park is the short season. There is a law that they cannot open during school hours which strikes out weekdays in May, June and September.

[@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789]

Ow yikes

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

LaRonde's location is a logistic nightmare, the parking situation sucks.

[@clempocap]

@@MCQ-fq6bv Fireworks nights are the worst.

[@h2o4220]

​@@MCQ-fq6bvIt's a somewhat easy fix. They could reduce congestion greatly with offsite parking on the south shore and a shuttle service. Even advertising the multiple transit options would be a great start. Metro, Bus, Boat, Bikes...all great options. La Ronde, for all its flaws, is one of the easiest parks to get to without a car.

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

@@h2o4220 Come back to reality.

[@adreamalways14]

It just appears on attraction magazine

[@themeparklunatic1996]

I don’t think six flags discovery kingdom will go anywhere it brings in a lot of kids

[@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789]

That’s true

[@Gheestarr]

But, do those kids have a lot of money and spending power?

[@NickyD]

that park sits on money making land also land locked

[@yahuahisall4332]

Keep an eye on Six Flags America, Great Escape, Michigan Adventure, Dorney Park.

[@Tasrascal]

In my opinion, since Dorney just got Iron Menace earlier this year, it shouldn't be going anywhere, anytime soon.

[@Gheestarr]

@@Tasrascalthat was planned pre-merger. Everything has changed now.

[@Jason_Moorhees]

@@TasrascalI originally thought the same thing. But it’s implied that they have been wanting to unload the park for some time and most of the executives running things post merger are Cedar Fair execs. I’m wondering if they built Iron Menace to sweeten the deal for potential buyers. I hope it doesn’t sell though. It’s my home park and I want to enjoy the enhanced season pass and visit Great Adventure a lot in the future as well as other Cedar Fair parks.

[@Tasrascal]

@Jason_Moorhees Also my home park, and I just went there in September and got my first ride on Menace

[@AFCompany]

@@Jason_Moorhees Cedar Fair has a 10 year plan for Dorney that is based on the success of Iron Menace. They don’t want to sell it they want to expand it and add new rides and coasters. They see potential in Dorney and wanted to see if it is worth investing in especially because of Hersheys numbers. Good news is park attendance rose 25% this season with Iron Menace so I assume they will go through with the 10 year plan.

[@nv_spartan1771]

This was pretty much expected.

[@AmusementInsiders]

Agreed

[@adammayo4377]

As of 2022, Six Flags Great America gets much higher attendance than Great Adventure. It is the 6th highest attended park in the new Six Flags ahead of many of the parks you gave stars to, the Texas parks, Carowinds etc.

[@nathanmcmenamin3748]

yeah this page is more clickbait by putting out a false headline then it is telling the truth. SFGA is one of the top earners in the entire chain and will continue to get capitol projects in the 20-30 million dollar range. Not to mention They have already announced they are not selling off any parks this year. Anytime you have 2 companies merge they do a financial check. This is what was done. probably in the next 2-5 years they will sell off low earners. Also he is biased with SFGA its obvious lol

[@andykillsu]

Yeah especially considering it isn’t even open year around yet it has more attendance than parks that are open year around. Very dumb to leave if of the list of ‘star’ parks.

[@Chris-po9lk]

the reason great adventure has less is because it has been neglected and not invested is as it should have been

[@rollingcoasterscanada7317]

What does it mean if a park only has 1 gold star on your map?

[@michaelbruzina6835]

A few notes: add Chicago great America to the gold star list I agree with your red circles but not the yellow Any park they only manage or don’t own the land like Darien lake and frontier city are on the chopping block or will become the new dumping ground for rides that don’t fit in other parks

[@clempocap]

They don't own the land for La Ronde and it was a dumping ground for relocated rides for a while. Luckily they never reassembled the Green Lantern after moving it on site.

[@cody_t]

I’m very excited to see what’s going to happen to SFOT; IMO the most neglected SF park considering how many people are around D/FW.

[@Chris-po9lk]

same with great adventure hopefully we both get treated right

[@mayalazovic8758]

Building a large amusement/theme park in Oregon would be a great decision.

[@NickyD]

SF alreday came out and said no parks are closing

[@jimt9245]

Can/would Six Flags continue to development Carowinds as one of their 5 Star / Year Round Destination parks?

[@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789]

Ceder fair tried it as a year round park and it didn’t do well.

[@JewishMusicToronto]

I hope this includes Michigan's Adventure. That park was just not worthy of the Cedar Fair name.

[@patkmulderig]

The park may not be, but Shivering Timbers absolutely is.

[@JewishMusicToronto]

@patkmulderig (I'm gonna say it! I'm gonna say it!) It's the worst of the Timbers coasters. It's FINE, but doesn't excuse the poor way the park is managed.

[@ThrillRider247]

Hey as long as you didnt say my park...granted we haven't gotten anything..we still one of the two flag ship parks...like you said it won't be a big coaster..but something...but that is why I moved to tx..I knew the parks here gonna take off...💯💯

[@SachaLRoy]

I agree with you on both reasons why La Ronde wouldn’t go; They wouldn’t get the big sale money as it’s an emphyteuric lease -they might as well keep it, even more so that, on regular seasons, it doesn’t lose money. Also the potential to make more money is there

[@AmusementParkGuy]

To be completely honest I feel like if Dorney is there then Michigan’s adventure valley fair frontier city should also be on there also

[@Justin-yk3ox]

If they want LaRonde to have any kind of success, they need to realize that the market it's in is unique. They can't treat it like an American park, and they can't treat it like a Canadian park. The area is just culturally different, the labor laws are different,etc. They need people with real expertise in the entertainment industry in Quebec. Otherwise it will continue to fail.

[@lornetyndale7974]

Why do you say it will fail? LaRonde has actually been quite profitable for Six Flags. It also has the Expo 67 heritage that Montrealers love. People in the region support the park, and former Montrealers (like myself) have vacationed in the area just to go to LaRonde.

[@clempocap]

LaRonde fails because it fails to attract any investment from Six Flags now that the initial contractual obligations have passed.

[@SurflinerBoy455]

Magic Mountain and Knotts will stay since they're profitable, and Great Adventure will stay, Kings dominion, Island and Cedar Point will stay I believe it will be the underperforming legacy six flags parks which had no recent investments will be sold off and sell off Michigan's Adventure, Maybe Sell Discovery Kingdom to SeaWorld and Spare Great America in California

[@NickyD]

depends SFMM sits on apts land and the new pats they built next to the park is gonna cause issues for new rides because of noise complaints

[@MrMuppetLover]

If they sell off parks it’ll probably be to Cedar Fair, private ownership or real estate developers.

[@MCFCCanuck]

Michigan's Adventure would have to be on the chopping block. It's in the middle of nowhere and has 2 woodies, a SLC and a late 70's Arrow corkscrew. Either it needs A LOT of love, a move to a more populous area of Michigan like Grand Rapids or it's gone.

[@Galvan316]

It was in the middle tier of the legacy parks for CF So I doubt it would get sold off

[@DSBOY33]

It's a possibility that this park unfortunately is on it but at the same time they just added a Halloween event that they've been doing the last 2 years so I don't know if they're going to close this park Plus apparently according to I heard it's pretty profitable even though it's small

[@zacharyyamashita8554]

Why couldn't Cedar Fair close Michigan's venture instead of California's Great America

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

@@zacharyyamashita8554 You really have no idea about business if you even asked this

[@SB_182]

@@DSBOY33 yes MA is very profitable

[@jacksonseyl5255]

Dude, it's just on the table. It doesn't mean it'll actually happen.

[@robertsmith4150]

Sell to universal studios and make them decent parks to go to with more convenient locations instead of just California or Florida

[@DAcubsfan2]

six flags great america is one of those money making parks like knotts

[@coasterfair2602]

Six Flags Mexico isn’t on the map 😳

[@antoineosburn8626]

I wonder what did those stars mean on the map?

[@spentron1]

I think SFA has worse rezoning issues than CGA but let sprawl continue another 20 years and that could change. That's why SF has been keeping it but don't add any new coasters, too hard to move.

[@Diego-ks5zh]

Quick note I don’t see SixFlags Mexico in your map 👀

[@AmusementInsiders]

@@Diego-ks5zh oh yikes I didn’t even notice that. It’s on the actual map on their web page so def nothing hinting at anything

[@saulalvarez220]

You forgot about Six Flags México

[@oceanthresher6184]

Michigan’s Adventure is unique due to how geographically screwed the park is. Every nearby city like Cleveland, Detroit, Indianapolis, and Chicago has a far superior park that’s also within reasonable distance.

[@Project_Storm1999]

Did they mention king da ka or green lantern in the call?

[@gus24seven]

cough cough ..... Frontier City .... cough cough No blood left in that turnip.

[@Jason_Moorhees]

Since Dorney Park is my home park and I got the upgraded season pass for all Cedar Fair and Six Flags parks this year, it’s a bummer to see this make your list of parks that could be sold. It hasn’t received a new coaster in almost 20 years. Possessed and Stinger don’t count. Especially since Stinger is gone. But they opened Iron Menace this year which is a pretty nice brand new dive coaster. Do you think they built this B&M to make the park that much more appealing to buy? Also, the park started as a small family owned park and they are limited on buildable land. I think they could expand Wild Water Kingdom a little bit more or build one more big coaster if they got creative with the space they have. But that’s about it. Do you feel that the lack of land and limited space to expand is a reason they might want to sell?

[@AFCompany]

@@Jason_Moorhees Dorney actually owns a lot of land. They own all the land up to the 78 freeway and all the land behind Steel Force. They definitely have the space to expand. They however can only have 6 rides that are above 180ft and already have 2 so they can still add a few more large rides if they want to. I don’t think it is going anywhere. It is in too good of a market area and has immense potential if they expand. Wildwater Kingdom is also one of the best water parks in the country.

[@AirplanesAndAirtime]

Why isn’t magic mountain 5 stars?

[@NickyD]

have you been there in the last year its in bad shape

[@AirplanesAndAirtime]

@ I’m going for the first time next year so no What’s bad about it?

[@porcelainthunder2213]

I doubt they’d get rid of Great Escape. They just built a new woodie, and it punches way above its weight. It’s a full-blown resort, which they are using as a model for other parks. It’s cheap to run, and is in a decent steady market for its size.

[@NickyD]

that coaster was bought before the meger everything has chanced since

[@porcelainthunder2213]

@ the park is profitable, year round. They won’t close it. I’d be more worried about Six Flags America closing. That land is worth a small fortune, it’s doesn’t have great attendance, there are security problems, and they don’t invest much in it. Plus Kings Dominion is about an hour or so away, and Hershey isn’t too far either.

[@nathanmcmenamin3748]

they have already said they are not selling off parks.

[@ianmortimer5325]

Where is Six Flags Mexico on your map? Lol.

[@loganbenton5694]

There won’t be amusement parks in America anymore perhaps people will have to their build their own theme parks at home

[@moosehead5564]

I would fear for St. Louis six flags but I realize it’s an original six flags and is one of there built from ground up parks so I don’t see it going because of the history

[@frozen2golden]

The land on California's Great America has already been sold and the lease on the land ends in 8 years. The only way to save that park is if the County has that land zoned for theme park or commercial development only. That would coax the landowner to sell the land back to Six Flags since they couldn't build residential property The operations at the neighboring Discovery Kingdom are beyond shitty and the city has a 150 ft height limit restricting the size of rollercoasters. The smart thing to do is buy back the land at California's Great America and move Medusa, Superman and Batman to CGA. Also consider tearing down Grizzly and putting Joker in its place or RMC converting it. Either way, the best thing for Six Flags is to merge the rides into one park. I think CGA is a better location but Discovery Kingdom has more land (though topography is a challenge). Either way, to merge both parks into one would do wonders for the company and tourism in the Bay Area.

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

CGA is closing, There is zero chance they buy the land back. It'd false that they couldn't build residential property. No formal project has been submitted. The city would in a second approve a residential or mixed use project as the area has a massive housing shortage.

[@johnd2385]

Michigan's Adventure can't be a cash cow for them

[@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789]

I have been seeing it makes money

[@gus24seven]

If a park makes more money than it costs and it has room for future development of any sorts, keeping it doesn't hurt anything. The catch is who all are screaming offers to buy certain parks. Frontier City, for example....SFEC would have to pay most buyers just to get that park off their hands.

[@johnd2385]

@@gus24seven Yah for sure. It's unfortunate they don't make them lots of $$ though and are therefore at the very bottom of the pecking order for new rides.

[@OriginalJoe]

Just curious about SFMM vs Knott’s. Seems like Knott’s is on a pretty small plot of land with limited growth potential, and its already good. It could use a parking lot giga, but who couldn’t. SFMM is huge and would really benefit from investment. It could be a beautiful park in the second largest metro area with an insane ride lineup.

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

Knotts runs circles around SFMM financially. Knotts is the #1 producer, slightly ahead of Cedar Point, #3 KI is distant second(just over 1/2 as much as each alone), #4 is Wonderland, SFMM is 5th, not much ahead of GAdv and Wonderland

[@Chris-po9lk]

Six flags great adventure has really been neglected and has been treated terrible for the potential it has, I hope you are right.

[@chatterfun6162]

Great analysis of what could potentially happen. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Very excited for the future investment in the parks.

[@JWViper]

What they WANT to sell and what they CAN sell is the real question (I have my own educated guesses on that). The next question is ... if they CAN'T sell them, which ones are really on the permanent chopping block. I strongly believe that Six Flags America will close for good.

[@gadgefan48]

It’s been well past time for Six Flags America to be sold off. It has been scoffed off at by upper management for decades now with very little investment. That “upgrade” they received this year was honestly lipstick on a pig. There’s so much potential there and literally any other operator or independent owner would unlock it. Not Six Flags. In terms of other parks being sold off? I’d say they’ll end the leases with Frontier City & Darien Lake, along with Six Flags St. Louis (depleting population will be the biggest factor), obviously CGA and maybe even Discovery Kingdom. Not to close it like CGA, but wipe their hands clean of Northern CA once and for all. On the fence about Valleyfair as well.

[@mackiefarrell]

I don't think La Ronde will be sold off, mostly for reasons you said. Between the split ownership with Montreal and the growing population in Ontario and Quebec, La Ronde is likely to get busier. There's a lot of potential there, the park has an incredible location (even if it is a pain to drive to) and plently of space currently after the loss of 3 (I think) rides in the 2010s. I personally think La Ronde is worth it just to ride Goliath though, easily my favourite B&M hyper

[@Zepp914]

The land that La Ronde sits on though is so valuable. I think it's the first to go.

[@clempocap]

@@Zepp914 That land belongs to the city. It is part of a city park on an island in the middle of the St-lawrence river with no residential development possible.

[@sharkheadism]

@@clempocap If it belongs to the city and there's money to be made, it will be redeveloped.

[@clempocap]

@@sharkheadism Then why is Central Park NYC not redeveloped? This is a historical landmark part of the Montreal Universal Expo of 1967. It's an island in the middle of the river. You cannot build housing there. If it is redeveloped, it will be a better city park.

[@sharkheadism]

@@clempocap NYC isn't Montreal, so that's not an apt comparison. You can build on islands though

[@loganbenton5694]

Wait so there won’t be new roller coasters in 2025

[@bakerfx4968]

Maybe now they’ll fix it so the unsubscribe link in wonderland’s emails actually works

[@otterkeeper13]

I would expect some of the one off water parks to get sold. CGA is a dead man walking at the moment, SFA seems like a likely close/sale. But I think they are going to take a few seasons to see what synergies develop. SFGAm is my home park, but we got CP passes with all park add on this fall for 2025, plan is to visit all the parks that are in a day’s drive next year. That’s 6 ride parks. Everyone picks on MiAdv, because it’s small, but it wouldn’t surprise me it more profitable then most of the midsize parks. It has the advantage of less labor costs and general maintenance costs. I would guess legacy SF Parks are higher on the chopping block because of upgrade costs than legacy CF parks.

[@KingGamingRoblox]

I dont know if great escape is going to go, i woildnt iut it past them, hi they did just invest in Bobcat the first coaster in over 20 years.

[@Sin004]

I wish they pull the plug on La Ronde. It suffered enough, let it go please.

[@memesrct_official]

I honestly doubt Michigan’s Adventure is a cash cow for the new Six Flags Entertainment Corporation for much longer because I’ve heard some good reasons why this park will more likely to be sold off rather than not going anywhere.

[@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789]

I have heard it makes money

[@YouTubular1234]

I still think Frontier City and SF Mexico is getting sold. And same with the Schliterbahn water parks too

[@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789]

I could see some of the water parks as there only open for 2 and a half months and cost a lot to operate

[@APanther9]

Six Flags Great America isn't a top park?

[@Wandering_Outlaw]

I'll be surprised if six flags St Louis remains in the portfolio another 5 years. It has been neglected by it's parents company for over a decade. It has one of the best candidates for an RMC conversion and rumor has it, has already been approached by the manufacturer to reimagine Boss but for some reason Six Flags has ignored it.

[@NickyD]

probaly tired of mc unreaible and strutcure issues bs

[@craigsmallegan5993]

I would love to see Discovery Kingdom sold off to United Parks (aka: Sea World) because with all the animals, it just makes sense. However, I don't think this is going to happen because of the prior sale of the land under CGA. If that park somehow doesn't close... This route makes more sense to everyone, IMO,

[@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789]

I am curious about Six flags St. Louis and Worlds of fun. But also another one I m not sure about is six flags anew England

[@MattMcIrvin]

I think Six Flags New England is sticking around, but *not* getting a big expansion or anything, because it has essentially no competition on the same scale for the market it's serving. There's room in that market for one big amusement park, and SFNE is it. They can make relatively little new capital investment there and it'll keep drawing people in. There's no redundancy in the New England market that the Six Flags/Cedar Fair merger introduces, because Cedar Fair wasn't there at all. SFNE's regional competition is a collection of small parks and water parks: Lake Compounce, Quassy, Canobie Lake Park, Funtown Splashtown USA, Water Country. Some of *those* could be in more danger. I like many of them as parks more than I do SFNE, and they're often more convenient because of location, but they're nowhere near SFNE's league for big rides.

[@gus24seven]

Meanwhile the population regions served by both WoF and SFStL are growing and both parks are profitable. They aren't going anywhere unless a buyer makes an amazing offer.

[@waynesimpson4081]

California's Great America is already sold to Prologis, a rather profitable and well run tech land developer. So it's gone. The land's too valuable to pass up selling...though how Six Flags managed to screw up a park right next to Levi Stadium and mass transit I'm not sure. Cedar/Six Flags probably would consolidate/expand the park with the Vallejo Discovery Kingdom. It's a good all-year park with decent local and tourist demand. It's more a Cedar Fair type park that a Six Flags, so it's unsure if they'll do the Cedar quality or Six Flags bargain bin approach.

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

CGA is a low revenue. low EBIDTA, high operational cost park, It made very little money, Net income for the park was mid single digits millions. It's overall finances were 2nd lowest in the chain considering all metrics. Cedar Fair didn't screw anything up. CGA has high costs of operation by being in CA, having to pay $20/hr wages while having little pricing power to charge high prices. A CF park like Knotts also has the high labor costs, but the pricing power, highest pass prices in the chain and 4M plus attendance. They also can getaway without including Knotts Scary farm with passes, you have to buy day tickets or a separate Scary Farm season pass. Also, Cedar Fair knew the issues with CGA. hence they never wanted it. They tried to get it removed from the Paramount deal in 2006. Then they tried to sell it off in 2011, but the deal fell thru at the last minute. They got a bit of luck with change in CA law that made the city have to sell the land and they had right if first refusal under the land lease. They bought it for 150M and sold it within 3 years for 310M, That 160M profit is more than CF would make in operating the park for almost 2 decades. The deal also allowed them to retain the assets of the park to relocate and/or sell off. A great deal for CF to get a mini windfall on a park they never wanted and was not making them much money.

[@markdaniels2123]

Also people are starting rumors about closing parks. NOTHING HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT CLOSING PARKS. The two words are nowhere to be found. Great Escape is a money maker without much investment. So I see them hanging on to this one. Also growing it is not an option. Queensbury will not allow it. Other local attractions have the towns on their side,

[@NickyD]

also SF alreday debunked that rumor

[@nandoginkaku7610]

Why would they sell off any parks when they've merged with cedar fair? Literally one of the best companies for amusement parks

[@NickyD]

CF is way overrated

[@clairefunnell8481]

Doesnt matter. Maybe some of the smaller parks will be sold off. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@michaelt3885]

Frontier City should be sold off. That park sucks.

[@CoasterSwiftie]

La Ronde is not going anywhere, forst, it is not THAT expensive to run the park for the atendance La Ronde gets, this year, we managed to get almost 30k people in the park in one day, last year, we almost hit 35k. that brigns me to my second point, La Ronde is the money maker of the old six flags chain (i dont have the info for the new six flags chain), it made more money than six flags great adventure and even six flags magic mountain, all of this was confirmed by the park president to the employees (i am one of them), plus, La Ronde has had some investments with an upgrade to condor and a lot of retracking on montre, over the last few years, the food department has had a LOT more invertments then the rides (hopfuly that will change for next year)

[@HuntThe86]

Disagree, great escape ain’t going anywhere

[@MattyDubs24]

Six flags great America no stars?

[@themeparkreconnoiter9787]

I would sell Darien Lake and La Ronde

[@gregalbrecht8180]

It’s a rumor cause some of property lease is expiring for some parks so there is a option if they want to renew them or sell them or buy it out or maybe cedar fair might take part ownership of some parks in the chain But I am not gonna worry about it until six flags it self says something about it

[@BlakeWyatt-b4d]

What about six flags over ga

[@kennethlorino9214]

If another pandemic theme parks will become like roller rinks, extinct

[@gus24seven]

Amusing parks have seen an upswing in attendance post covid just as predicted. The skate rink in my city was in the process of getting sold off pre-covid and nobody wanted to buy it because skate rink industry has been dying for or 20 years now...liability insurance is through the roof and the customer base acts like rabid animals. Post covid even has people lining up to go bowling now. One bowling alley on my city started taking reservations during covid and it worked so well they are still doing it and people scramble to make appointments, more popular than ever. A well run amusement park wasn't harmed by covid.

[@amusementparkperson4474]

Thoughts about Six Flags Great America? They have been getting some more investments as of late

[@tigerrocks503chase8]

I think we are safe

[@jolietpinball7439]

Corporate has already been investing in Great America and it's one of their top investment priorities.

[@ChuckE.CheesesIllinois]

We are 100% safe, it's located near the third largest city in the U.S. they're not going to do the same mistake like with AstroWorld Plus it has a lot of potential as a Theme Park

[@Galvan316]

The fact SFGAm wasn’t mentioned as a top tier park is comical at best

[@otterkeeper13]

I saw positive changes start with SFGAm end of 2023 season after the merger was announced, it’s getting a custom B&M, instead of a rumored clone. It’s also a top 20 park in attendance, it close but not too close proximity to KI and CP will help with cross attendance with the all parks pass. The park already has good bones but was mismanaged, and having its original sister park in the chain, they already have an understanding of its layout and flow.

[@unseeninja]

Darrien Lake and La Ronde might be on the block.

[@TyrellDunn]

They better not sell Six Flags America. Add more rides to it. Even a big coaster. Fix it up and you have a great park in the state of Maryland

[@NickyD]

that park isnt gonna last

[@causaloak4577]

I think you’re underestimating Six Flags great America and it’s a shame that you didn’t even talk about it. It’s not like they’re getting a $30 million investment or anything like that next year 😂🙃

[@causaloak4577]

Jk all love

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

What drugs are you on? They are getting a small B&M dive...12-14M...30M..lol...put down the drugs.

[@Yeomen1986]

I don't think SFA is going anywhere. Yes its technically 1.5 hrs from Kings Dominion BUT that's 1.5 hrs on I-95 through NOVA. If you know I-95 you know that's NOT 1.5 hours. Prob more like 3-4 hrs on a good day.

[@davidjordan5077]

The property that SFA sits on is worth way more than the park. KD, BGW, HP, and GA have always been destinations for the Baltimore/Washington area. It's a shame, as SFA is my local park, but it has been mismaintaned for years, it's a shame too, as my interactions with staff have been great overall.

[@NickyD]

ha ha thats not a hour ever 4 ona. good day try 7 with dc traffic

[@brianfoster4092]

I would say Six Flags St Louis I think that one might be on the chopping block lol

[@dreamy.reader52]

How do you know what they were saying during the call? Was it like a call between the six flags owners? I think im missing some info here, sorry 😂

[@AmusementInsiders]

@@dreamy.reader52 it’s a public call with shareholders and the leaders.

[@dreamy.reader52]

@@AmusementInsiders Ohh tysm for the reply! I hope you didn't repeat something you said earlier lol

[@AmusementInsiders]

@ even if I did don’t worry. It’s a valid question :)

[@dreamy.reader52]

@@AmusementInsiders 😁👍

[@MrKsanders1985]

I knew this would happen even after people told me I was crazy. I thought it would take several years though. Hope Hershend buys Cedar Point. They will invest even more heavily that ghetto Six Flags.

[@tigerrocks503chase8]

Which Six Flags

[@Galvan316]

You are crazy…

[@adreamalways14]

I do agree with you. But I think there's going to be way more than that

[@VelocityCoastersYT]

I really do think its time for valleyfair to get a new coaster. it has been 18 years. even if it is not a new coaster but a relocation I will be satisfied for now because it is at least something new.

[@NickyD]

not gonna happen that park is probally on the coopping block also doesnt bring in high attended numbers to warrent getting a major coaster

[@VelocityCoastersYT]

@@NickyD why would they put valleyfair on the chopping block. The park was one of the founding parks of the chain. I can see michigans adventure but not this. The attendance numbers with out a doubt would definitely go up if something new is added. Plus they have renegade and an intamin impule which is the only one left with a holding brake and people still enjoy those.

[@namevone]

You don't think Carowinds will stay a 5 star park given how close it is to the chains heaquarters?

[@AmusementInsiders]

I think Caroline’s under performing seasons over the past 3 years has impacted the direction they wanted to take the park

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

Carowinds hasn't been drawing crowds and producing the level of ROI that was expected from the investment levels. The Capex rate might slow down, They might have a KD type period of lower investment in big rides after I 305 was a financial disappointment and they thus had to wait an extended period for another coaster.

[@zachguest8565]

i hop wonderland isnt going anywhere its the only good park in canada

[@dreamy.reader52]

Oh it won't

[@dukezap1]

It's the most visited park in their portfolio. If anything it would be the last one to go

[@kingdelbert]

It's a flagship that does really well. They're not selling it off anytime soon

[@morganschubert3865]

i am relay hopping they keep some of the original parks of both chains which would be Six Flags St. Louis witch was the 3rd park original built by six flags, Six Flags Over Georgia witch was the 2nd park original built by six flags, Six Flags Over Texas should be safe because it is in Texas, and last original park would be valleyfair witch when cedar point bought the park that is how cedar fair got it's name

[@wrestlingandamusementparkl7789]

I am curious on St. Louis