Living History with Karen Westbrook Scranton

[@hlogan5097]

Sweet lady. Such a clear, down to earth talk. Great interviewer also.

[@rongenung]

Karen is a lovely, interesting lady. To think she worked at the TSBD, knew Lee Oswald, stood within touching distance of the President and witnessed his assassination---it boggles the mind. I'm sure that historic moment has been with her every day of her life. To be part of the international crime of the century has to be overwhelming. Gracious of her to share her memories---she brings that day to life for us the viewers.

[@jonathanlane5432]

What a charming, attractive and eloquent woman. I imagine that ever since that fatal day she has been asked to tell her story hundreds of times and will go down in history as not only being an eyewitness but also being photographed watching it happen.

[@colonelreb1014]

You're attracted to grandmother's?

[@truthof7382]

@@colonelreb1014 You aren’t?

[@colonelreb1014]

@@truthof7382 sounds like your preference. But I'm not judging bro. You still live with your parents and never been laid so it's totally understable if you wanna bang the only woman that ever gave you a hug (Your Granny)

[@chrissharkey9644]

As a 56yr old it’s amazing to Me just how well spoken and Educated our Country was!

[@MrsSoniaH]

Wonderful to watch and hear you tell your story, Karen.

[@r.c.miller6161]

She seems very rehearsed. Fagin orchestrates every interview to suit his agenda.

[@joaquinpraveenvishnu8509]

Thanks to Stephen Fagin for his effort on collecting all the data on oral history

[@joaquinpraveenvishnu8509]

@James Barlow you grow up ma'am

[@beachem1]

Outstanding interview! Thanks 🙏🏻

[@keithashley6298]

A lovely woman and interview, I just cannot begin to imagine what it must have been like to witness such a tragic event and having to live with it for the rest of their lives.

[@jrnumex9286]

" living with that for the rest of their lives" much easier then everyone in the limo for sure

[@robw3027]

Very interesting. This lady was well spoken and I appreciated what she had to say. Also enjoyed shots of inside TSBD.

[@ag4allgood]

Really interesting to hear Karen talk of her experience at the Depository. Also hearing her talk about Lee Oswald & what he was like. She was so close to that limo as it went past amazing. Very articulate & remembered many things for being so long ago. I would love to see a Colin McClaren interview Stephen !

[@formermpc10]

This was very good, one of my favorite 6th Floor presentations. A witness to history with no agenda or conspiracy/book to peddle. It's interesting to hear here talk of "Lee."

[@bradrook3919]

Most witnesses never did book deals...

[@Good-Citizen]

Boy this guy could make a short story long. Mrs. Scranton is a very bright charming woman.

[@christianvongoller2307]

Best way to describe just how fast American culture changed from 1963 to 1968 was We went from do op music to Jim Morrison and the Doors in 4 or 5 years!

[@lukewarme9121]

@Carl Ferrigno You were smart to avoid that stupidity.

[@CatDaddySteve]

Sad but true, we went from politicians and government agent's we believable to the mask came off and they lie like mob gangsters.

[@radar0412]

Jimi was playing Purple Haze in 67.

[@Borella309]

Blame the Beatles for that - Ed Sullivan Show 9th Feb. 1964.

[@sharonnorthern1525]

After so many years of seeing interviews with the same 3 or 4 witnesses, this was good to see.

[@MTGrad1]

As a Career and Technical Education teacher, I love the story of how she got the job. 👍🏻

[@pamisolisytreviews6813]

He does such a good job interviewing. His enthusiasm regarding history comes across. Love this series.

[@r.c.miller6161]

He smirks as he shapes her rehearsed responses. His job is to support the government’s official line denying a conspiracy. He’s a puppet, not a truth-seeker.

[@HandleThisSelection2]

@@r.c.miller6161 BINGO

[@markwood5486]

Being from Okla., we got most of our books from Southwest Publishing. I found some books a few years back that were stamped "Texas School Book Depository"

[@anthonyboyd1135]

Very interesting

[@karimC35]

Wow it took Oswald just over a minute to fire three rounds wipe a rifle clean of all finger prints run across the room to stash the rifle and go down from the sixth floor to the 2nd floor and get a coke? Wow

[@michaelwooda9444]

Dont forgot he escaped jail and traveled to fbi to put his palm print on the rifle.concidering the first time it was tested, it had no prints then majically later found entire palm print they missed.then Oswald broke back in jail without being discovered.

[@cedarwest37]

Seven floor s to the building...

[@brianbauch3321]

And the people of this Country let our corrupt GOVERNMENT FRAME OSWALD. AND COVER UP THE REAL TRUTH. AND THEN ALSO 911. NOW WE HAVE COVID 19. HOW MUCH MORE ARE WE THE PEOPLE OF THIS AWESOME COUNTRY GONNA LET THINGS LUKE THIS HAPPEN 😞😞

[@stevenrobert3681]

So by her account, the back of jfks head exploded, ie exit wound.

[@Caeruleo]

@@stevenrobert3681 "So by her account, the back of jfks head exploded, ie exit wound" I did not hear her say the "back" of JFK's exploded, or any word or words of similar meaning such as "rear." At c.22:45 I hear her saying "I will remember seeing the President's head explode," without making any reference to which part of his head exploded. Now, admittedly she does at the same time put her hand over the right side of her head behind her ear, but that's still not quite the same thing as her specifically saying the rear of his head exploded. Is there another place in the video where she specifically said it was the "back" or the "rear" of his head exploded, and if so, how many minutes into the video is it? Thanks. Also, even if she did say it, her statement would be at variance with a larger number of witnesses who also saw the head shot from the north side of the street as she did, and who said it was the right side of his head that exploded, not the rear, exactly what we see in the Zapruder film. Bill and Gayle Newman, Marilyn Sitzman, and even Abraham Zapruder himself all side it was the right side of his head that exploded.

[@gerryquinn5578]

Lovely to hear her experience. Pleased that we can confirm she actually was an eyewitness. I was struck by the fact that for her things seemed to happen in slow motion. I wished the interviewer had pressed her on how the President responded to the shots and whether the car slowed down quite dramatically.

[@truthof7382]

What an incredible interview. This woman seems to be the closest bystander to the event. How horrible for her and at the same time, her presence and blurry image became a piece of history in that moment. Thank you Miss Westbrook Scranton for the telling of the event.

[@kurtestilow7450]

This was a great interview, and very interesting to listen to... Karen Scranton seems to be such a nice lady who I believe is telling the truth.

[@Tsnore]

I am glad the Museum lets witnesses tell their stories without leading them into one theory or an agenda. The facts speak for themselves in this case.

[@rickyrick1966]

Your absolutely right the facts say that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do it

[@jb-vb8un]

@richie r. - it was JONNY QUEST pal, HADJI on a bad turban day

[@radar0412]

​@@rickyrick1966 Yeah he did I saw him

[@aislinnkeilah7361]

Excellent interview. Good questions and very well spoken lady.

[@jt-ff3yx]

What a charming, beautiful, and eloquent woman. I find her the most pleasant, calm, and convincing witness I have come across so far.

[@Bbendfender]

I enjoyed this interview very much. Mrs. Westbrook Stanton is a very intelligent lady. She is about 4 years older than me so I understand her take on all of this.

[@VTPSTTU]

The interview is interesting, and I thank the SixthFloorMuseum for conducting and publishing these interviews. I was intrigued that no one asked her for more clarification about the shots. She said that she heard a shot and saw the president raising his hands. She seemed to imply that she heard a second shot shortly after the first shot, heard a pause, and then heard a third shot. She said that she saw the devastating head wound after the third shot. Did she have any sense of where the other shot hit? Maybe she'd have a hard time separating what she experienced then from all that she's likely heard or read since then, but almost every theory seems to have one or more shots that were fired but just disappeared into some neverland. I have a hard time believing that someone firing from the sixth-floor window would have missed by so much that the bullet would first hit the curb near where James Tague was standing. I also have a hard time believing that a bullet hit that curb first wouldn't cause either bullet fragments or curb fragments to be driven into Mr. Tague's shins. She would have been in a good position to observe some effect from a third shot, and she didn't seem to notice. I was also intrigued by her statement that the shots came from "behind" her but also from the book depository. The pictures clearly show that "behind her" was the grassy knoll and the place were Abraham Zapruder was standing. I accept that she now thinks that the shots came from the book depository, but the book depository wasn't "behind her." While the witness testimony is fascinating, her account shows the problem with trying to draw too much from that testimony. The photograph taken from behind the president was reported to have been taken because the photographer heard the shot and pressed the shutter release as part of his startle reaction. Because the Carcano bullet travels faster than the speed of sound, the bullet would have already passed if that story is true. If that's the case, the shot was either a missed shot or the president hadn't responded in any way to having been shot. I thought his shoulders looked straight and not hunched in that photograph. I believe that there was more hunch and bunching of his coat at the time he was shot in the back. If that photograph was taken at the moment of the first shot, then the first shot may have been the missed shot. I don't know what happened, but every idea put forward seems to have some holes in the evidence.

[@EJ-74]

plainly she was brain washed later by all the stories she heard later JFK was shot 3 times and one missed simple math atleast 4 shots were fired i think the head shot came from the manhole gutter in front of JFK that may be why she only heard 3 shots im posative the head shot came from the front hearing the Drs interveiws on this channel is 100% PROOF JFKs head was blown out in the back there was a hole big as a fist the autopsy photo doesnt show a hole in the back of JFKs head so this proves the Warren commission coverd it up and many many more other things it is treason to cover this up We The People want the truth

[@EJ-74]

@Nobby Barnes I cant go back to something I never did Dumb Fuck

[@vernpascal1531]

@@EJ-74 -Good point you made. There was so much psychological pressure afterward to conform one's thinking to the official story ,when so many heard and saw something else.

[@VTPSTTU]

@TermsofService The problem is that there is so little solid or credible evidence. They claim that three shots were fired, but they have only one and a half bullets. Of those, the only whole bullet they have has a less than ideal chain of custody. I understand how that can happen, but if I'm being fair to all possible ideas, I admit that the chain of custody on the bullet found on the stretcher at the hospital is questionable. Otherwise, we have a third bullet that disappeared into nowhere. I am very skeptical of the idea that this bullet went directly from Oswald's rifle to the curb by the triple underpass. The bullet would have retained enough energy in those 160 yards that the bullet would have caused more damage to the curb and likely sprayed fragments into James Tague's pants. You simply can't reference "solid, credible REAL evidence" when you're missing one and a half bullets for your theory and one of the one and a half bullets has a questionable chain of custody. If this happened today, the police would have parked two patrol cars at the corner of Elm and Houston and stopped all further traffic on Elm Street. On that day in 1963, they reopened Elm Street as soon as the motorcade passed. Regular traffic was driving along Elm Street ten minutes after the shots were fired. If this happened today, the police would have put crime scene tape all around Dealey Plaza and made a thorough, careful, detailed sweep of every square inch of pavement and grass. People on every side insist that doing that kind of search wouldn't have changed anything, but that's just stupid. Unless someone takes the time to look, no one knows what would have been found. On the day after the assassination, a guy found a piece of the president's skull in the grass on the south side of Elm Street. In a worthwhile investigation, crime scene technicians would have found and documented that piece of skull fragment. The excuse that they just didn't understand forensics back then isn't credible. I'm not blaming them for what they may not have known, but as we look back at history, we have to evaluate by what we know today. When that look back shows sloppy work, we need to accept that evidence may have been lost. People are welcome to believe that more valid evidence would only have reinforced Oswald's guilt as the sole assassin, but without that evidence, they are just projecting their beliefs onto the evidence instead of letting the evidence guide their beliefs. When they examined the limousine, they found bullet fragments on the floor of the front seat. They also found a crack in the windshield and a dent in the chrome on the frame above the windshield. For the fragments to be found where they were and for the damage to the car to be where it was, the bullet fragments had to have hit the windshield and the chrome and bounced to the floor at Agent Kellerman's feet. That's two bullet fragments hitting parts of the car less than three feet from him and passing within inches of his legs and feet. When those bullets hit the windshield and chrome would be important evidence, but neither Agent Kellerman nor Agent Greer (the driver) mentioned bullet fragments hitting anything in the reports that they wrote that night. The point is not that this omission is part of some kind of conspiracy. The point is that in the fear and confusion of the moment, they didn't notice something that would be important evidence. That's normal for people in those situations, but that also shows how unreliable much of the evidence is. The Bugliosi and Posner types insist that Oswald's leaving the book depository is evidence of guilt. What they ignore is that the cab driver testified that as Oswald was sitting in the cab waiting to start, an older woman walked up to the cab to see if he was in service. Oswald opened the door and was getting out of the cab to let the woman have the cab when she insisted that he keep the cab. If I've just taken a shot at the president, I'm not going to offer the getaway cab to another person for any reason. Yes, Oswald could have easily gotten to the second floor break room before Officer Baker got there and not been out of breath. On the other hand, both Officer Baker and Roy Truly were looking for an assassin. If anything in Oswald's demeanor had suggested a consciousness of guilt, they wouldn't have just left him standing there in the break room. If you're like most people who make these kind of insistent declarations on any side of the question, you aren't capable of understanding enough to see any way that you can be wrong. I don't really write this to you. I write this to others who might be following the conversation and want to understand how weak the evidence is for every theory of what happened.

[@tylerjerabek5204]

TermsofService what about the magic bullet, how did it move through the bodies in such an odd manner?

[@jerrymarshall2095]

She didnt really make clear the 3 shot sequence,she said she heard a shot and the president lifted his arms ,then saw the head shot,where did the 3rd shot play into this.I believe her and agree with her conclusion,but she only described 2 of the 3 shots.I assume she heard an explosion but nothing was amiss,then he reacted with the arms on the second,and the 3rd was obvious.

[@DannyWilliamH]

Agree. I also think she falls victim to having told the same story for so many years, the scary part of human memory. It's incredibly faulty and subject to influence. We change it based on what we hear from others, see in video, make up out of many reasons too numerous to list. A memory (especially after 60 years) is a generality. Imagine taking 6 seconds of your life - at any given time - and being asked to dissect it, explain it and go over it as much as she has. Both officially and unofficially, both under oath and casual conversation...when you weren't prepared to remember those 6 seconds ahead of time. BAM! Something randomly happens and you're asked a half century later to bare witness to those 6 seconds. Impossible. 6 seconds. I'd even suspect that she doesn't have much of any true recollection of the event beyond generalities. No way the later stories, lore and such doesn't change your memory of those 6 seconds. At the point this video was made she probably only retains the vague outlines of truth in happening. She even alludes to this about Lee himself. She says that only after did everything about him seem to come together. The truth is probably that she didn't think much about him at all. She was an 18yo girl and Lee was an early-20s loner (by her account). Her true relation to Oswald was probably very light gossip and mockery with the other young women at work. Nothing. Had JFK never been killed she probably wouldn't even remember him at all. Again, she can't even recall who was with her by the road on that day. Surely a woman she saw and interacted with 100x more than Oswald...and she doesn't know who the last woman is. So imagine how little Lee meant *before* the event. He was maybe the talk of light gossip among girls. Maybe. Still, probably not much even then as he's just a guy she worked around (again, not even coworkers but simply in the same massive building). I'll end by just saying that human memory is notoriously and predictably bad. Test after test shows that we both lose information and accuracy with time, but, more importantly, we add false information with time. We change our relation to aspects of a memory with time. Meaning we attribute into memory things we *want* or *wish* to have happened, both subtle and major things. We often change the narrative entirely to suit both how we wish we were in the moment and other info gathered after the fact. So now take that fact of human nature and attribute it to 6 seconds in the life of an 18yo girl. Yes, 6 seconds that changed history but still just 6 seconds of her life that took place over a half century ago. It's gone with the wind. Her story of that day, those 6 seconds in particular, cannot reasonably be asked to be more than a very generalized telling. That's the scary part about memory.

[@markcooper9063]

My whole life 11 seconds was not used in any of the many test fireing when did that change

[@HandleThisSelection2]

@@markcooper9063 I always heard 6 seconds. It changed, right?

[@Jasona1976]

One of the best interviews ever!!

[@darrenmccarthy3346]

I wonder if she was the daughter of Captain William Westbrook of the Dallas Police Dept. ? Westbrook was also in Army Intelligence and in the pilot car of the motorcade, as it traversed Dealey Plaza and delivered President Kennedy to the scene of his public execution.

[@maxwellsmart4422]

She is very precise in what she saw and heard. No hesitation nor “um” or any similar type of equivocation. She is very credible.

[@midtod]

It is amazing how close she was to President Kennedy just by standing on the curb as the limousine went by. I am trying to figure out if he was looking at her or looking straight ahead. You can see Zapruder in the background and his view of course was blocked momentarily when the car passed behind the freeway sign. But the still photo by Phil Willis shows us what was happening behind the sign. Mrs. Kennedy gave an oral history in which she said she happened to be looking at the sign when her husband was hit and she saw pieces of it shatter and fly toward them. When you freeze frame you can see that she was, indeed, looking in the direction of the sign.

[@gregparker4532]

She never saw Oswald sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom. His actual colleagues were in unison. He always ate in the 1st floor laborer's break room. On the rare occasion he did not, it was because he would leave the building - most likely to go and check his PO Box. Moreover, the book companies on the 2nd floor leased that whole floor - which of course included the lunch room. TSBD laborer's were barred from eating in there, and I have this on a recording of an interview with Roy Lewis - an Oswald co-worker. They were allowed only to use the snack and drink machine. And Oswadl and others did go up to buy drinks almost daily. For whatever reason, she is lying about Oswald on that point. And a note for Mr Fagin. The 2nd floor lunchroom was NOT called the Domino room. That was the name of the worker's break room where Oswald actually did eat - and it was called that for a good reason - some of the worker's liked to play dominos during breaks.

[@gmurray96]

Classy lady. Great interview. Steve showed the photo in which she says was the moment of the first shot and his hands started to come up. Is she implying the second shot was the miss? There was no follow up about those first two shots.

[@garywatt4546]

Interesting interview. One of the police officers in Dallas that played a major role was named Westbrook. Is she related?

[@janetphillips2875]

Thats a very good question! I wondered about that too, especially since she was standing with the 'zombie- like' people that wasnt clapping and waving when the car came by, like they were in the downtown area.

[@HozelRocket]

Hey Fagin, any comment on Rob Groden, Dallas PD, and 80+ arrests?

[@passamaquoddy8311]

She heard the shot coming from behind her but the building is standing forward left of her. Strange.

[@stddisclaimer8020]

@Etchemin :You wish to base your case for conspiracy on a single outlier ear-witness who says she "heard things?" The pro-conspiracy engine, always running primarily on fumes, has sputtered to a standstill.

[@peterfraser9070]

She heard the shot coming from behind her but the building is standing forward left of her.: No, it isn't. Look at a map or something of the area.

[@stevenuanna4747]

At 11:20 you see a safe on the left side of the door. Is that the safe that was stolen in May 2010? A security guard thwarted the robbery, fired shots, the thieves crashed their truck and fled leaving the safe hanging from a winch on their truck outside the Depository. Very strange story. Was that the safe? If so what was in it?

[@radar0412]

The safe contains The Secret Files that Exonerates Oswald, along with all the names addresses and phone numbers of the real assassins, along with actual rifles, pistols shell casings and bullets the real assassins used that day. There. Is that what you wanted to hear? 😂

[@stevenuanna4747]

@@radar0412 Nice thoughts. I was thinking the safe might contain clues as to what the “Depository” building was really used for. Possibly storage for the flotsam and jetsam that corrupt “officials” sucked out of Dallas. Honest Joe’s Pawn shop was probably on the bottom rung of the ladder that included “estates” of dead Dallas residents. Maybe drugs came into Texas here. Guns, porn...Vice. The Depository was another job Lee Harvey Oswald had and like in New Orleans he was doing something...not just stacking school book boxes.

[@viewer3091]

Who was Dark Complected Man ? Was he a signaller to Snipers ?

[@peterfraser9070]

Who was Dark Complected Man ? Was he a signaller to Snipers ?": Who was who and was he a what now??

[@normagrimstad8869]

What do they have to signal for? The car and the president was in plain view. Oswald had a scope on his rifle.

[@viewer3091]

@@normagrimstad8869 To signal that all shots would be fired at as near the same times as possible and also as a distance marker for the snipers. ~ ~ JFK was Not going to survive = = no way.

[@colonelreb1014]

Cuban spotter

[@davidaames1624]

What's wrong with keeping to yourself ?

[@peterfraser9070]

"What's wrong with keeping to yourself ?": what's wrong is not so much that as it is the shooting Kennedy part.

[@davidcolagrosso1751]

There are two emergency room doctors who saw the wound to JFK’s head. They both say there was a 4 inch hole in his skull with a huge amount of brain tissue missing, but no obvious wound in the front of his head. Even the photos after Kennedy died there is no damage to the front of his head. Curious for an exit wound. The man who developed the original Zapruder film says the published film is not what he saw when he developed the original. He worked for the government and developed U2 spy film. He didn’t work at fotomat. All this is on KZbin. See for yourself.

[@yasharali2495]

What's his name?

[@markcooper9063]

I enjoyed the comments of her not knowing not talking to not having meaningful contact with Lee but after the fact saying yes it was him because of his demeaner ,"after th is therefore because of this"

[@tomjenkins2489]

This is one classy lady

[@josephdonato8154]

The interviewer didn't ask an important question: "Was what you saw the exact same thing that's shown on the Zapruder film." And if there are any differences, what are they? Did the limousine actually stop?

[@peterfraser9070]

"Did the limousine actually stop?": it's incredibly clear that the limo did not stop; maybe slowed a little, but did not stop. That's an Oliver stone type theory.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

@@peterfraser9070 True...some people saw the sun, reflecting in the tail lights, and thought the brake lights lit up...the car never stopped, but did slow down very briefly, then sped up quickly...Agent Hill nearly fell off the back!

[@normagrimstad8869]

No, the limousine did not stop. I’m sure she would have mentioned that. Even if it did, what does that prove? That the driver was part of a conspiracy? Obviously you don’t need to stop a vehicle to get shot. The fact is that Kennedy was shot, and plenty of people have been shot and killed in moving vehicles.

[@brianambrosemcmahon8531]

The interviewer clearly is leading this woman to fit the Warren commission’s findings .

[@barryirvin2417]

Nice try .CT guy grasping for something sinister lol .

[@tomklitsch6638]

I love watching your sixth floor videos. However, if you still think that Oswald was the sole shooter, you are clearly incorrect.

[@passamaquoddy8311]

This permanent grin on Mr. Fagin's face during the whole interview is disgusting.

[@JILOA]

One of those "I'll never forget where I was" moments. I was in school and the teacher told the class that the president had been killed.

[@darinpetty3741]

It truly is crazy the witnesses allowed to talk compared to people with different opinions!

[@peterfraser9070]

"t truly is crazy the witnesses allowed to talk compared to people with different opinions!": That's just a myth you got from a cheap CT book

[@radar0412]

This particular witness had the assassination happen right on top of her. I'd think we should people who were actually there more time, rather than people like you and me who weren't there don't you think?

[@swannoir]

Please bring back the stunning flower arrangements as additions to these great interviews.

[@paulaharrisbaca4851]

Young women have a much different interpretation of men’s behavior than the men themselves see it. She thought he was strange, aloof, cold, while Buell Frazier thought he was quiet but very smart and loved kids. Young women tend to misunderstand intelligent and awkward young men all the time, sadly. Of course, Lee was married and probably missed his wife. Another thing...the Warren Commission made a big deal about his leaving his wedding ring at home that morning, as though it meant something. Men working in jobs involving lifting and carrying often don’t wear their rings to work, and even Safeway told all their produce employees to leave them at home, but I couldn’t take mine off, so I told them I couldn’t.

[@TvDaddyAndTheTabloidArmy]

I thought this was a man who understands simple psychology, common sense to many a man, I scrolled up and see it was a woman. a pleasant surprise, because in this One area women even skeptical, objective thinkers, Often get wrong. peace

[@peterfraser9070]

Doesn't it depend, too, on how Oswald was with Frazier, compared to how he behaved in front of others?

[@curbozerboomer1773]

There is more to the story about his leaving the ring behind!...context, in this case, is very important...do some research.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@wallacebell4311 Exactly! Thank you! Most people here love to ignore that stuff or are just strangely unaware of it.

[@jude999]

Fascinating.

[@randyharris3175]

Hey metal it was not a tour she worked in the building

[@ultrasignificantfootnote3378]

i don't understand this , she said it sounded like the shots came from behind her , but she was standing with her back to the grassy knoll , then isnt the schoolbook depository to her left ?

[@sixslinger9951]

you loons are hysterical.

[@ultrasignificantfootnote3378]

@@sixslinger9951 Who are " You loons " ?

[@peterfraser9070]

@@ultrasignificantfootnote3378 if she turns to her right as the car goes by, lo and behold, the TSBD is behind her

[@knutfjeldheim9215]

The shots: « sounded like They came from behind me. “ Behind her is Mr. Zapruder on the grassy knoll filming her. So she is saying shots came from there…no doubt in her mind. Hmmm?

[@peterfraser9070]

"Behind her is Mr. Zapruder on the grassy knoll filming her. So she is saying shots came from there…no doubt in her mind.": So obviously Zapruder shot Kennedy.

[@indyindyy5192]

OSWALD stated that he went to lunch about noon and claimed he had lunch on the first floor in the dining room; but he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine is located and took a bottle of Coca-Cola for lunch. OSWALD claimed he was on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed the end of his building.”

[@fredk9999]

You do not carry author Mark Lane’s books. Why are you not prepared to discuss anything other than LHO was the lone assassin?

[@mattensor3431]

Very pretty lady and very intelligent!!!

[@epicaction1755]

25:14 Karen is asked about where the shots came from. She states "they sounded like they came from BEHIND ME". So, as clearly shown in the photos, she is looking directly at JFK, standing immediately in front of the Stemmons sign. She confirms that it is her in the blue head scarf, & names the people standing with her. From the photo shown a little after this statement, you see behind her, the white fences on the infamous grassy knoll. Surely, if the shots she heard came from the TSBD, she would have said that she heard them come from her west to northwest, ie, in front of her? She also stated around 21:20 that "after the FIRST shot was fired, she says the president's hands gradually come up... "but after the SECOND shot, that obviously wasn't the case", referring to when JFKs head exploded. Also, she states repeatedly that she heard 3 shots. Even when detectives tried to get her to change her story - clearly trying to see how reliable a witness she was - she still sticks to 3 shots. Why did nobody ask to clarify which of the 3 shots she heard therefore missed? First or last? Remembering, of course, that there were indeed 2 empty shells, & 1 intact bullet found on the 6th floor.

[@armzforte23]

She is such a nice , educated , lady, obviously from better times, but... she mention shots came from( behind me ) , her behind would be exactly between the building and the knoll, Still my respect for her .

[@aaronpaterson1615]

Nice lady but I don't think she knew enough simply from observations to think it all made sense about Oswald being a loner. She wasn't aware that Oswald had a 33 day old baby daughter , another daughter and wife who he wasn't living with and may have been a sad fellow not being able to live with his family.

[@kjnest]

She forgot about Billy? Really

[@aethanfriday3568]

Yes, and it was probably his assignment to behave that way. He was probably ordered to have that personality type, especially at work. He was being molded so that they could have the "Oswald legacy" at the end and say he was a longer and "crazy" ....neither of which is really true

[@soundbreak7]

really ? she worked with him , she knew he had 1 friend and was not very friendly and ate alone , she knew enough

[@doolittlegeorge]

Well maybe you could ask Lee Harvey Oswald's wife about your questions and concerns as she is still alive and well!

[@peterfraser9070]

Oswald was such a loner that he would not speak to anyone body at all; made zero effort and didn't want to say a word if spoken to. He ate by himself, etc. She could see that.

[@CPAndy-x5x]

So she was on the grassy knoll side, it was behind her and to her left, but no mention of shots coming from there.

[@tinaanderson200]

Its sad that his family has never received any justice for this horrible crime smh!

[@daviddreyer9897]

Is her father Captain Westbrook of the Dallas Police Department?

[@moorek1967]

Is this lady related to Captain Westbrook?

[@johnmock7128]

I was wondering that, also.

[@aethanfriday3568]

Why do you ask, if you don't mind me asking you? What makes you ask that and why would it matter?

[@JudeCooper]

Aethan Friday Captain Westbrook was a Dallas Police Officer who was at the Tippit crime scene and found Oswald's wallet.

[@brianelfrink9864]

Such a Tragedy !!! We'll never know the whole truth. It may be as simple, as "Temporary Insanity" !!!! He just may have been Very 😷 Sick !!!

[@MrJstew4u]

Related to captain westbrook???

[@todtiger]

She said she used to wonder what he would be reading and then said it was strange material, doesnt make sense

[@garyordus2383]

They didn’t keep Oswald for a hour after how did he leave early

[@davemitchell116]

I wonder how many more of us Dallas high school students who saw Kennedy that day are still around.

[@kris308100]

Strange how she says the shots came from behind her (the book depository) yet Kennedy was in front of her when he was shot (certainly for the first two and at the side for the third). On that basis the shots point to the knoll. Another interesting point is the road sign. She was standing very close to it. The sound of the shots to her ears may have been influenced by this.

[@peterfraser9070]

She's standing by the sign and Kennedy's limo was definitely past the sign at the head shot. The TSBD was behind her when she's turned that way. When witnesses, like the Newmans, say they heard shots behind them, it's a bit more ambiguous than it appears; it hinges on which way their body is turned at that moment, and that can become blurred in someone's memory.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

@@peterfraser9070 That is a great point!...makes sense.

[@shirleybalinski4535]

I interpreted her saying " behind her" as the knoll. Infant didn't the interviewer ask that? She said the knoll behind me.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@shirleybalinski4535 I interpreted her saying " behind her" as the knoll.": Of course, how conveeeeenient

[@markcooper9063]

She said behind her, the school book building is to her left in the photo correct? .so when she turned and said the next shot was behind her that would be the book building?I am just following what was stated and shown in photos

[@marksesl]

I don't get it. She said she heard three shots, but only described TWO.

[@myguitardetective5961]

What she's describing as the 1st shot is obviously the second shot...based upon Kennedy's position relative to the sign....

[@akaredcrossbow]

It’s really interesting that she said that the shots came from behind her. Wouldn’t the grassy knoll been behind her for at least two shots while the TSBD would be to her left? I would say only the last shot would’ve had the TSBD behind her. Maybe she misspoke.

[@radar0412]

I believe she meant behind her in relationship to Elm Street.

[@edl3441]

When did she hear the third shot?

[@peterfraser9070]

"When did she hear the third shot?": around the time his head blew up

[@bobma6342]

When he first introduced her as having lived the experience of the Kennedy assassination I thought, "This young woman lived through it?" I think she is a very attractive woman.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

Let's say she is well-preserved!...I am roughly her age, and keeping in shape, trying to look good is so hard for older women...but this gal looks quite nice, for her age.

[@bobma6342]

@@curbozerboomer1773 Yes she does. I had heard that story about Lee Harvey Oswald being in the front of the building and that it was really Billy Nolan Lovelady. Looking at the close-up I could tell that it was Lovelady. Also Oswald said he was in the second-floor lunchroom, otherwise he would have said that he was in front of the building.

[@vazz22]

Dottie LoveLady....any relation to Billiy LoveLady?.....The 2nd Oswald?

[@peterdixon7734]

Sister-in-law, absent from work on 22/11/63.

[@peterfraser9070]

"any relation to Billiy LoveLady?.....The 2nd Oswald?": Hey you! Get away from that flag!!

[@east5871]

Didn’t she say the shots came from behind her which would have been on the knoll? If so how could she conclude that “Lee” acted alone and shot him from the 6th floor? Did I miss something?

[@radar0412]

Her journey originated from the TSBD which was behind her in relation to the sidewalk where she was standing. But nice try.

[@Justin.D.DC4L]

27:23 why did the phones go dead?

[@markrymanowski719]

To prevent people bearing their testimony of what happened and who was where. Oswald was on the first floor. The Warren Commision refused statements that confirmed where Oswald was.

[@shernitadee]

The electricity was shut off in the building.

[@scarofthesun]

“The shots came from behind me”. Behind her was the grassy knoll…

[@michaelwooda9444]

Too bad billy lovelady said that was not him in the photo.

[@franklinbolander1916]

SOURCES ??

[@johndeagle4389]

The Domino Room was on the first floor

[@travisbanger7316]

Ah! The racist Trumpite...

[@johndeagle4389]

@@travisbanger7316 No sense of humour.

[@jfknumbers1345]

@@johndeagle4389 : There you go, Teacher's Pet: www.dealey-plaza.org/~ramon/politics/Deagle-Teachers-Pet.png

[@barryirvin2417]

Makes a compelling case for shooting from TSBD .3 shots .

[@elchoya8770]

TOO BAD THERE WASNT A GRASSY KNOLL MUSEUM,MAYBE WE CAN HEAR SOME TRUTHS.

[@draxlerchronicles5851]

How about this for a truth. This woman heard 3 shots. Bill & Gayle Newman heard 3 shots. Governer Conally heard 3 shots. They found 3 spent shells. Probably not the truths you want to read, but truth isn't (or at least shouldn't be) selective.

[@AZ6780810809]

shots came from every angle except 6th floor, "13 shots were fired museum"

[@jerrymarshall2095]

The head shot came from behind,watch the film,it blew the right side of his head off and blew that mess up a forward.If a shot hit his head from the right front it wouldnt do that,it wouldve blown out the other side of his head and prob hit jackie too.come on people.furthermore,a high powered rifle from behind that fence wouldve been extremely loud and unmistakable with no echos involved.

[@AZ6780810809]

@@jerrymarshall2095 4 teams a minimum, oswald didn't shot anything, set up, planned as hell, RFK MLK official magic bullet story, are U kidding me, shot threw the windshield,bullet in the chrome metal inside, 2 in the grass minimum,2 bullets in the head of jfk, the zapruderfilm is rebuild that wknd by the CIA, to look like a 3 shot happening, how many eye witnesses or who had knowlidge of the real plot or killers or the force behind before or after 22-11, they killed before the could testify, Warren didn't want to lead the commission, because he knew it would be a farce RFK called inmediately the CIA, " you are not behind this, are U?"

[@draxlerchronicles5851]

@@AZ6780810809 And your explanation why most witnesses closest to the car only heard 3 shots?

[@josephdonato8154]

Good interview. I just wish the moderator would stop smiling like a kid at the circus. It makes him look unattached to the serious subject matter.

[@peterfraser9070]

It makes him look unattached to the serious subject matter." to you

[@rocioponce594]

I really like the interview, however it took my attention she pointed: she felt sorry for "Lee" since he used to eat alone in the breakroom, but as far as we know Lee Harvey Oswald had less than 5 weeks working in the building, besides she clearly stated that he belonged to another "department" since she worked as a writing letters and he worked at the warehouse, isn't that normal that if someone is new and from another " department" not knowing anyone around eat alone? just saying. Then she stated with a burlesque face she used to saw him reading "strange" material or books or pamphlets. All comes to my mind was: well she was very young, 18 years old, silly and unexperienced and Lee was older (he of course was a marine with such a huge experience etc.) of course he will have literature she will never understand coming from the point she was an ordinary girl while he was a marine. I don't know her comments feels very interesting and also at some point with a bit of discrimination. Another point, why if she never get to know him, she never stated talking to him, why she refers him as "Lee" instead of Mr. Oswald, I don't know just saying.

[@henochparks]

Sound recordings of the event prove there were four shots that could be heard. . However if the shooters used silencers those shots would not be heard or recorded. The fact that numerous bullets that were found and that only three shots were heard proves this.

[@henochparks]

@Js Bchad yep

[@patrickcollins7407]

The acoustics evidence was debunked in 1982 and then again 2013 using more recent technology. The microphone was at the Trademart and picked up the sound of sirens - there were no sirens in the Plaza. There were at least 2 shots and probably an early missed shot.

[@aaronz7056]

The dictabelt story was debunked many years ago and the "experts" who came up with it were so embarrassed about their goof they have refused to have been interviewed about it every since. No bullets, shells or fragments other than those matched ballistically to Oswald's rifle, specifically, were ever found in the plaza, limo or victims.

[@henochparks]

@@aaronz7056 hahhs . The tape was reexamined and cleaned up of the static. Once cleared the taped showed that there were at least five shots. One shot was from the grassy knoll. The bullet moved 3200 feet per second. i.e. a 30-30 caliber bullet The bullet hole to the skull of JFK was from a .243. A .45 caliber bullet was found. A 7.65 shell was found. A .30.06 shell was found. Three bullets were found in the limo floor. A bullet hit a manhole cover. A bullet hit the Stemmons freeway sign. A bullet hit the street. A bullet hit the dash. A bullet hit JFKs throat. A bullet hit JFKs back. Two bullets hit JFKs head. A bullet hit John Connally. A bullet hit the curb next to James Tague. A bullet went through the windshield. A bullet hit a sidewalk ...hummm best do some research.

[@patrickcollins7407]

@@henochparks The tape recorded static and sirens, the open mike was on Stemmons not the Plaza. What you stated about the shells is incorrect - you are lying. The nose and base of the ONE head shot bullet were found in the limo No bullet hit a manhole cover No bullet went through the windshield - it was cracked - Ive seen it at the archives - caused by the head shot fragments No bullet hit the Stemmons sign either. No bullet hit the dash board There were 2 bullets/ parts recovered in the JFK case - no more 1 bullet missed and either disintegrated or was never found All the non fatal wounds were caused by one bullet There are 263 witnesses on record of which only 4% thought shots came from more than one direction Your comments are incorrect, irrational and plain untrue. You talk about research Ive done plenty for several UK TV docs and as an academic. You basically are clueless and you have posted absolute untruths in the main. Tague was nicked by a fragment perhaps from the missed shot or head shot - one of the two.

[@professorhoodoo]

We now know Lee didn't do it.......

[@shernitadee]

I would not have been so cool and calm. If they knew the shots came from their building, I would be afraid to go back in, just minutes after the President got his head blown off. Especially after witnessing it directly! She takes it lightheartedly. And then Truely says people are okay since they worked for him??? But it came from their building? The phones went dead.while she was talking, something was cut off.

[@peterfraser9070]

Bit of a ramble

[@darrenmccarthy3346]

This woman is obviously being interviewed to frame Oswald again. Her father was Captain William Westbrook, a desk officer who was also in the 112th Military unit of Army Intelligence for East Texas. This rascal upon hearing about a shooting in the Presidential motorcade, went up and down police headquarters asking all available units to head over to the Texas School Book Depository Building, only a minute and a half after the shooting !! How did he know so quickly where this shooting took place 🤔 The first radio broadcast of any mention of the TSBD was at 12:44 on police channel 1.

[@myguitardetective5961]

Pierce Allman was across from the TSBDB and heard all three shots emanating from the upper east window where Oswald was perched....and he was a skilled and trained reporter....please stop w/ the uniformed conspiracy nonsense.

[@leeredford4437]

Drivel .....JFK to 9/11 Everything's a Rich Mans Trick. The best and most accurate Doco ever made. Oh she never saw Oswald , because he wasn't there.

[@colonelreb1014]

She only heard 3 shots. How convenient. And no recollection of umbrella man

[@radar0412]

Interesting. She thought that JFK was playing around and acting as if he was shot when he actually was. I had not heard that before. Very Sad.

[@BJ-mm9hb]

Gayle Newman is 50 feet west of Karen Westbrook. Both Gayle (9:27) and Karen (19:27) said shots were from behind. Book depositary is way to their left (east). Please watch Karen Westbrook's video from March, 16 2018.

[@peterfraser9070]

that's a bit desperate

[@roberta.6399]

She's an impressive woman.

[@stephenledbetter4044]

If you think Oswald did it you are wrong.

[@peterfraser9070]

"f you think Oswald did it you are wrong.": Your name should be LedWORSE. Ha! ha! ha! 😂😂😂 oh Go... oh Go... oh God!...let me catch my breath...ha! ha! 😂😂 Oh Lordy, that's a knee slapper!...wheeew!

[@robertadams6184]

Oldradiatornotknowntopeoplethesedays

[@jasonbrown2718]

Warren couldn't lie straight in bed

[@peterfraser9070]

Warren couldn't lie straight in bed:" it's 'lay' and his wife said he was a good lay and that he was straight. So there.

[@Joepacalypse1107]

I hate that she is basing some memories off of FBI records. She felt like she had been interviewed multiple times but since the FBI file only shows one, she explains it away. :(

[@radar0412]

I guess so, but the FBI found anything she had to say of any value.

[@jrnumex9286]

29:50 lee asks mrs. reed" whats all the excitement about? yea loner i guess so the only one who didn't know. oh , Mrs. reed, reports say he fled the building immediately so when was this casual conversation?

[@peterfraser9070]

The shooter, Oswald, was on his way out of the building and, trying to appear casual and innocent, says in passing, 'What's all the excitement about?' You think 'loner' means he's not capable of speaking, or what?

[@jrnumex9286]

@@peterfraser9070 mr pete, loner as alone in the building and not aware of hundreds of cheering and clapping people just outside as well as excitement with in. mrs. reed having a chat with lee, yea, her timeline of when i have no confidence. ole goofball lee made those shots to jfk.

[@peterfraser9070]

@@jrnumex9286 it was pretty hard to follow what you wrote, but I think "What's all the excitement about?" meant about the chaos right after the shooting.

[@curbozerboomer1773]

@@peterfraser9070 He also had a coke in his hand, to make it appear he was even more unlikely to be a suspect....He was a cunningly impulsive person...if he had not sneaked into that theatre without paying, and not have been acting weird prior to do that, he might well have gotten away for a much longer time...But it is clear that he was in a sort of controlled, but panicky mode.

[@mrpeel3239]

So interesting to hear an insider's view from both within (and outside) the building itself. PS has the gentleman (9:10) in the far, lowest right corner ever been identified as Jack Ruby?

[@christophorfaust2457]

Saw the same thing... listed a post before I read yours... good catch!!!

[@doravernon1511]

@@christophorfaust2457 Ruby can also be seen outside the Texas Theatre when the Patsy was arrested.

[@christophorfaust2457]

@@doravernon1511 What time stamp... just want to be sure we are looking at the same person... I’ll pull the video and post both pic’s side by side

[@doravernon1511]

@@christophorfaust2457 see my link at 0:43 to note Ruby's hairline to compare with pic outside Texas Theatre.

[@larrywheels762]

Similar features. Another photo has a man up on the knoll after the shooting many people ran toward the fence . A policeman is there also.