Every tool owner WANTS this Universal battery - Ceenr PDnation System

[@jcx2bby]

Man I have to say, after all these years and all these subscribers you have now, I'm really impressed that you don't waste our time with worthless music or intros. Thanks for doing that and for all the great content

[@sixtyfiveford]

I appreciate that!

[@eukaryon]

This means every manufacturer must make better tools like you said at 11:27, no hiding behind proprietary battery formats

[@JackdeDuCoeur]

Great vid! Thanks! This was inevitable, and it's about time. All the niceties like corners, charge-port covers, and sharp edges will resolve in a gen or two.

[@JackdeDuCoeur]

Oh yeah, GINGER RULZ!

[@CPthetooladdict]

This is why I still own air tools great video!!😊

[@RinoaL]

I like how they look. Makes me want to make them fit other equipment such as an oscilloscope

[@sixtyfiveford]

They would be great for a lot of applications because they have automatic low voltage shut off.

[@tedbastwock3810]

lol oscilloscope. Not putting down your comment, I think its cool. But the juxtaposition between power tools generally used for metal fab or construction vs. something as delicate as measuring the wavelengths of a breadboarded electronics circuit .. made me chuckle. Also, I didnt know there were battery powered oscilloscopes, thats cool.

[@RinoaL]

@@tedbastwock3810 You might think differently about oscilloscopes when you use one to troubleshoot a dying magneto. With a big enough step-down you can get a lot of information about a 1950s chainsaw spark!

[@waltschannel7465]

​@tedbastwock3810 There are tons of battery-powered scopes. Have been around for 50 years. In the early days, it was just Tektronix, but now there are lots of Chinese brands copying each other.

[@tedbastwock3810]

@@waltschannel7465 shows what I know .. or dont lol. Thanks

[@Rein_Ciarfella]

It’s taken me a couple years to realize why you have a Ginger trick at the end of most of your videos. This gets regulars to watch all the way to the end of the video, which helps your algorithm. Neat trick (Moe)! 😉🔧👍

[@jbj27406]

How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?

[@DAS-Videos]

Pretty cool. There are so many tools being sold that say "Tool only". So if one has converted to this system, they can buy the tool without a battery and the adapter for that tool from this company.

[@sixtyfiveford]

It has the potential to be an upset in the industry. I'm excited to see what happens.

[@yodasbff3395]

Great idea. I'm looking forward to when they will be available. Ginger sure has an enormous amount of energy. She is a sweetheart. 👍

[@sixtyfiveford]

It's been a few years since she went this aggressively at the water, so I'm glad I caught it.

[@johnmckee7937]

I've seen a couple of videos on this system, yours was ths best. First it impressed You! Not easy. Second showed a weakness in system, havinh to plug in to reset. Third acknowledging the fact these were sent to you. Fouth showing them in actual use. Fifth taking battery pack apart Many more points I go through. Excellent Job!

[@Par_x3D]

These universal batteries have the potential to be game changing for the consumer! My fear is though is that companies will start either serializing the batteries with some proprietary ID system or raise the prices of the value "tool only" listings. Only time will tell, but for something as large as cordless tools hopefully the aftermarket/DIY community will catch up and counter this.

[@selador11]

Thank you! Man, over the years I have gotten SO many good ideas and advice from this channel. A video idea... Show us how to take an old computer, and set it up in a closet, just running through and "viewing' all your videos from the beginning to the end of your playlist, over and over again. LOL

[@JOEZEP54]

After all these years I am seriously considering battery power tools, at least a few. Most of my work is done outside & require power cords. This review with the plus & minus of the universal battery is helping with my decision. Well done 👍 Stay well, Joe Z

[@sixtyfiveford]

It was hard for me to stop using a lot of my corded tools and sell them off. Some things like a drill and impact are way better than my corded version ever were.

[@RYwoodview]

If these fit Ryobi, too, with it's tall column insert into the handles, it is going to work for a whole lot of people. We can start buying the best tool, not feel limited to the same line.

[@mikebond6328]

He mentions ryobi in the video.

[@mikebond6328]

These don’t make it so you can use ryobi batteries with other brand tools. You have to buy their battery along with a different adapter for each brand tool that you own.

[@RYwoodview]

@@mikebond6328 There has not even been an adapter for Ryobi tools to use other batteries, which prevented us Ryobi users from gradually moving into other systems. Now that will be possible.

[@RANDOMNATION907]

@@RYwoodview . . There are adapters for Ryobi tools. I have two different ones that allow Makita LXT batteries to be used on my Ryobi tools. The Ryobi tools do not like it. Something in the programming of the tool. I thought it was a poorly designed cheap adapter, so I bought a more expensive one but had the same underwhelming results. However those same Makita LXT batteries work perfect in my SeeSii brand tools. The problem is Ryobi and their unique and proprietary battery platform.

[@RYwoodview]

@@RANDOMNATION907 Never knew of those. Sounds like it'll be just as well to see how the Cneer adaptors work. It always looked like other batteries should be able to be adapted to Ryobi tools, but Ryobi batteries will never be adaptable to other makes.

[@Phantomtbird]

Noticed the battery on the dryer heater video so i watched this whole video only to find out I cant buy them in Canada!😢 Great battery concept, can't wait for them to be available here.

[@wyattoneable]

I do hope we can find these soon. Thanks for the insight.

[@SuperNoticer]

Ay bub

[@waltschannel7465]

Wow these are fantastic in so many ways especially the fact that they will charge off of usb-c which is indeed the standard. I'm glad you did this video. I found their website and I will be checking!! ❤

[@peem1244]

Didn't the major powertool makers agree on a standard battery system a few years ago? Haven't heard anything since, but this is a great idea and will be very popular I'm sure. Thanks for sharing.

[@sixtyfiveford]

There was a spoof April Fools video put out in Europe a few years back that made this a talking point. I haven't seen it, just seen comments and the gist of it was that Europe was mandating a uniform battery across all platforms. From that people assumed this would echo worldwide.

[@6atlantis]

Amp-Share. It’s really only convenient right now if you live in Europe, there’s 100’s of manufactures participating but the only three that you will find in the United States are Bosch, Fien and Husqvarna.

[@brianwelteroth9248]

Thank you so much for this review. I saw these on the torque test channel and was about to put my order in for one. I use my dewalt angle grinder and die grinder with one brand new 4AH Dewalt battery, and one old generic 5AH. With those batteries I run out of power before I am tired of grinding/wire wheeling. Knowing now that if the stall feature kicks off the power I will have to plug the battery in to reset is a deal breaker for me. Please let us know if they fix this issue.

[@sixtyfiveford]

It's a huge annoyance. I know I've tripped my angle grinders at least a few hundred times over the years. This would make me insane.

[@hillwilliam.]

Any info on maximum Ah that will be offered? Also interested in proposed warranty support. As a side note- I'm guessing the adaptor release is designed in that way to prevent unintentional disengagement of the battery during use.

[@sixtyfiveford]

I have no info to the max mah. In this configuration 5.0ah is the max they could achieve though with the current cells available. If they did a second row an 8.0ah or 10ah would be possible but add 1" to the thickness.

[@tedbastwock3810]

Nice honest review. Great to know such a thing exists (or will?). Thanks for the vid!! That safety stop feature is a HUGE put off for me. I like safety, but that restart process is too much. Ginger is a rock star. What an amazing animal 🤩

[@sixtyfiveford]

I'm assuming they will address that as I'm not the only one to review and notice this. I hope with a simple button push(maybe just the power level indicator).

[@flocksbyknight]

I'm glad you got the early release

[@toolscientist]

3:34 size comparison isn't really fair as CEENR is a single row of 21700 cells. Should use something like the Dewalt DCB240 or M18 CP3.0 with an adapter as a comparison.

[@sixtyfiveford]

With an adapter and a high output 3.0 M18 single row 21700 on a Makita drill: Overall the battery setup is about 1 inch taller, 1in longer and 1/2 in wider then the CEENR.

[@georgegibson707]

Great idea, I hope they are reasonably priced. I have been thinking of trying a large cheap battery in a backpack, with a flexible cable to plug into any brand tool with an adapter connector.

[@D2O2]

TTC video from a month ago showed nearly same performance on smaller tools, but weaker performance on high torque impacts and saws compared the equivalent size OE brand battery.

[@sixtyfiveford]

Yes, I saw that. That's all relative to how many cells are in parallel in a pack. A pack with two parallel rows of 21700s is going to perform better than a single row. Also, the brand of cell makes a difference. That's why even they hoped that the Samsung 40t would be used as they perform better. On a lot of cheaper brands, this single row of 21700 will perform better than any pack made by them though. Obviously if you're going to compare it with the top of the line. DeWalt/ Milwaukee/ Makita you're going to get better performance with an OEM pack. However, the people that are using those are professionals and I don't think that is the consumer they're looking for. I think they're looking for the avid DIY/ pro homeowner market.

[@jonanderson5137]

Yes sir, very nice for a DIY weekend guy. Not for every day jobsite.

[@Billlovelace4171951]

I use only Dewalt and a few Ryobi I use adapters to adapt newer lithium batteries to the nicad tools. Dewalt makes a very good adapter for about $35. I have used the cheap Chinese adapters and found them to be very poorly made and prone to melting the plastic around the contacts sometimes damaging the battery Now if this company can make a reliable system with quality adapters it sounds like a good idea. The larger batteries sound like a good idea. Will wait and see. Great video as usual 👍

[@barthanes1]

You list some reasonable prices in the description. I seriously doubt that will be the case. I really hope it is, but it will be more expensive. They'll have to charge you for the convenience of using one type of battery.

[@sixtyfiveford]

They're website list a planned price of $70-100 for 1 battery with 3 adapters. They have to be cheaper than oem batteries to make it worth it.

[@TopCat2021]

Sounds like a great idea I just hope they don’t get sued out of existence by some greedy corporation before the idea takes off.

[@joeboxter3635]

They won't get sued. But they will be stopped through special technology that keys a brand to its own battery. Wait and see. There is as much, if not more, money in batteries than the tools. Batteries are very cheap to manufacture compared to tools. So the real profit is in the batteries. The likes of DeWalt, MWK, etc. are not going to let this upstart eat their profits.

[@sixtyfiveford]

I think that is why they're going down the crowdfunding avenue of getting these exposed/made. I'm sure that it covers them in some way of not getting sued??? This is just the printer ink scandal all over. And yes, I think they will use technology just like the printer people did to make sure you were using OEM. But then you give it a year or two and people find out how to bypass it. It'll be a never-ending game like it already is.

[@mos8541]

big tools gonna put them outta business along with big oil killin the water powered engine.... smFh

[@cpcoark]

Who knows, the EU may pass regulations requiring tool to use batteries that are universa. Preventing proprietary locking out competition. They did that too cell phone chargers to reduce the waste.

[@TopCat2021]

@@cpcoark That would be wonderful if they did

[@williamzoom]

Obviously that reset idea was from someone who has never broken a sweat working in their life!

[@sixtyfiveford]

Yes, that needs to be addressed but I think it could easily be remedied. I think they could work it in as simple as pushing the capacity level indicator button. I could live with that.

[@copcuffs9973]

​@sixtyfiveford I have a ~Lipo4 12vJumpstart and wireless phone charger, wired USB C/A. Occasionally, it could max out trying to start the car. You'd then have to recharge the unit a bit before trying to start the car again. As you found it's a pain especially when you're not at home. I put a stick USB pack in the case so I can reset the Jumpstart pack and use it again. If I was on a roof using that, battery pack I may want that USB stick in my toolbelt or pocket incase I needed to reset it.✌️

[@1nvisible1]

*Ginger flying through the air after the sprinkler almost looks like it's AI, lol.*

[@girthquake1413]

I'm actually planning to do something similar to these, but using a huge assortment of laptop cells into a backpack battery and replacing the tool's negative and positives for XT connectors and weights to keep them smaller and balanced. This is all really great for reusing still fine tools you can buy for next to nothing with a little modification.

[@Simpleman1078]

Why not cell phone batteries

[@girthquake1413]

@@Simpleman1078 The laptop cells I got for pennies apiece and are much easier to tear out and reuse.

[@kristene2372]

Laptop cells aren't designed for heavy drain applications like cordless tools

[@girthquake1413]

@@kristene2372 It's over 120 laptop cells lmao They're all 1 amp continuous discharge, but with 25 of them in series its no biggie.

[@kristene2372]

@girthquake1413 25 cells, that would make for a heavy pack

[@caskwith]

I assume these batteries have a built in low voltage cut off? That's one of the main dangers if using battery adaptors, some manufacturers put the low voltage cut off in the battery, some put it in the tool. If you use a battery that is relying on the tool to cut off the power and it doesn't you can destroy your battery very easily.

[@texaswoc3461]

I’ve purchased adapters for my Milwaukee batteries to DeWalt and they have a lot of slop and basically not functional. It looks like these may solve that problem. I’ll give them a try when they come out. Let us know!

[@davedeatherage4902]

I've been subbed to your channel for a while now, thank you for you're knowledgeable advice.👍☀️🇺🇸

[@sixtyfiveford]

I appreciate that!

[@richardclifton4120]

Imagine needing a new outlet in your home for every item you buy because the plugs are all different? Standardization should be "standard" when it comes to batteries too. I wish all cars used the same battery, but for the most part, they use standard connections across the market. This could be a game changer for the portable tool industry, but I wouldn't count on it being accepted as the end-all for adapters until the manufacturers get it together and agree on a standard. Dewalt has their FlexVolt, and I use more of the 60v batteries than the straight 40v because they adapt to the 40v tools using the "Flex" option and the 60v has more "oompf" on the smaller tools and last longer. Enjoy your Summer, and keep Ginger cool with that hose. 🙂

[@michaelwinchester8153]

Heh, battery manufacturers will never standardize. What you call "tools" they refer to as "accessories for our batteries". Don't think of them as tool manufacturers anymore, that stopped when they decided to all but outlaw good corded tools. Averaged out over all the trades is 4x the price of the tool is spent on batteries for it over the life of the tool. They could never sell you $1000 of extension cords for your $250 circular saw. Makes sense now? I fully expect tti or stanley/b&d to go after all of these 3rd party universal battery systems because unlike the adapters that still require branded batteries.......these things will cut into the sales of the battery manufacturers' batteries. A dewalt guy uses a milwaukee battery? They don't care because it's 1 in 5k and somewhere there's a milwaukee guy using a dewalt battery. Suddenly 50 dewalt guys are using ceenr batteries and 200 milwaukee guys are using ceenr batteries and none of those 250 bought any 1st party batteries? Shhhyeah, they care.

[@WRLoco]

I hope of they do come out they also make a power supply top. With banana plugs

[@MannoMax]

Damn, this is awesome. There are some milwaukee tools I'd love to have, but I don't want to invest in a second battery system.

[@Rein_Ciarfella]

One battery to rule them all!

[@onlyychevys]

If it will fit my Ryobi tools then I am very interested! Thanks for the update, Ginger is a good dog!!

[@brianprince3110]

Let us know when we can buy some!

[@officialshadetreeamerica]

I wonder if they will branch into the 12 volt battery platform eventually? Also, they need the batteries to act as a power bank like Skil batteries do already.

[@sixtyfiveford]

I really doubt they will.

[@PuchMaxi]

This is a great concept, the only con it has USB-C PD45W charging. You want at least 65W or 85W for charging. At 45W it would take about 96 minutes to charge, give or take.

[@dave008989]

Yeah the usb c is handy, but it's gonna charge slowly. Also, I don't thing the usb c port will hold up over time. I've had like 5 usb c ports go on various phones.

[@ncdave4life]

It looks like you were optimistic about the pricing. Their website shows $70 marked down from $80 for the 4 Ah battery, and $22 each for the adapters. (It is unclear whether they're actually shipping.)

[@Utuber-x44]

I wonder if they'll make 12V versions for bosch/Milwaukee tools

[@sixtyfiveford]

I highly doubt it simply because these in handle designed packs have zero extra space for modifications.

[@Utuber-x44]

@@sixtyfiveford that's true. Well most of the market is 18V so no big deal. I have DeWalt 20, Milwaukee 12V, Bosch 18 &12V, and Metabo HPT batteries so I'm all set anyway 😂

[@Biaanca5036]

What I really want is for all of the .. _'wear the heavy battery on your belt instead!'_ .. personal extension cords from the East Asias to be released in the west. Tools be getting teeny tiny, so I'd love any opportunity to move the big heavy battery onto a belt instead 🙏 But besides maybe HPT, nobody ever releases their 'belt cable' accessories outside of the east //nope I guessed wrong, not even metabo hpt has one in the west

[@johnmckee7937]

After watching yours ( the best) another video on the system popped up. In the future, would the battery case and adapter rails hold up to everyday use? Even dropping? Another complaint was charging time. Which I think will be improved.

[@sixtyfiveford]

I have no concern for the integrity of those little tabs. I dropped the battery one time extremely hard and had no issues with it. I don't see this being any different than an OEM battery if you dropped it from 10 ft on a ladder with the tool attached being any more susceptible to breaking than an OEM battery. As far as charging goes, I don't think people realize that different USBCs charge faster than others. If you use a USB a to USBC, you're going to be charging it about 15 watts. If you use any of the modern fast chargers for cell phones/laptops/tablets that go from USBC to USBC, you're going to be charging three to four times faster. From completely dead, this charges in about 90 minutes.

[@johnmckee7937]

@sixtyfiveford Thank You for your reply. I'm sure this will help others who may have concerns.

[@ThriftyToolShed]

I really like the idea of these a lot! I like the Molicel cells also...

[@sixtyfiveford]

My only concern is these might be using low grade(out of spec) Molicel as they put black sharpie over the logo. No proof but have never seen a id blacked out; but I don't know. I did a drain test down to 14.5v(5 amps for single row 9amps for double) as I do with all packs and it came out to 3700mah. Not bad but I would expect a 4200mah High Drain cell to give me at least 3900-4000mah. Most 4000mah cells when new will give me 3800mah but I've never tested new Molicel batteries.

[@mikespain8655]

This is a game changer. Good information.

[@CDP135Z]

I would like to see a door over the usb to keep the dirt out instead of the rubber, because the rubber will break and then the usb will get trashed.

[@peteosinga8845]

Just break it off and plug it back in

[@sixtyfiveford]

They just need to move the plug to the top between the battery and adapter. That way it's always covered while in use.

[@jackrichards1863]

You covered it well man. And you're right!

[@cosmopezzolla996]

That is awesome! Great video, thanks for sharing! Ginger stole the show again!

[@78trav]

Moe, can you use the factory charger if you want? I watched the last 30 sec like 20 times. Can we get a 10 minute video of Ginger and the hose? 😂

[@staind288]

Good question. With the adapter attached to the battery, I do wonder if it will charge but my thought is that it probably will not work since the USB integration is provided

[@sixtyfiveford]

No, it's actually even molded into most of them where it won't fit into the charger. Nothing like trying to water the lawn and having teeth flying at you left and right

[@moseshancock3336]

Looks like a good time testing the batteries 😊😊😊

[@Steve-x6v]

😂 I'm so happy to see this where in the heck do you get it please 9

[@sixtyfiveford]

It's not for sale yet.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

Poor dehydrated Ginger and most of ours are DeWalt since I'm mower man and that's it. Hers is Kobalt with a battery pressure washer. a Stihl battery hand mower and the zero turn is MTD/Craftsman 56 volt 3K Ah, so we're covered since I can't work on stuff and have given it all away. That's a good idea for guys that use the tools all the times. Thanks and Blessings

[@sixtyfiveford]

Nothing like watering the lawn and having teeth fly at you left and right.

[@lewiemcneely9143]

@@sixtyfiveford The POP, POP, POP is as regular as a clock tickling!

[@josephhalwagy6435]

Great clip. Thank you for sharing. Are these available to buy in Australia?

[@sixtyfiveford]

They will be but I'm not exactly sure when they're releasing them.

[@tubeonline629]

Wish they would make an adapter for Snap-on tools.. that reset problem is a problem.

[@Drewcipher5150]

Yeah, how about 24/28 volt version for Bosch 24 volt or Milwaukee 28 volt?

[@sixtyfiveford]

Nothing is ever going to adapt to those. They are in their own voltage class with 6(24v) and 7(28v) lithium cells where virtually everything else goes by a multiple of 5(18/20v). None of these adapters ever convert the voltage. They are just an adapter plate that fit and pass through the voltage.

[@beemer567]

that battery reset you showed with the grinder definitely needs to be fixed but these look great otherwise. you can get 2 premium batteries kitted for 3 different brands for under 200 dollars. they just need to make an 8.0 and and maybe bundle the adapters so you can leave them on all your tools if you'd like. i gotta ask why you had 2 blades stacked on that mower? is it a trick for brush?

[@sixtyfiveford]

@@beemer567 All Honda mowers for the past 20+ yrs use dual blades for better mulching.

[@beemer567]

@@sixtyfiveford thanks, never worked on one that had them stacked like that.

[@sixtyfiveford]

​@@beemer567I do want to mention about the reset. It is super annoying and frustrating. However. In the last 2 months of using these batteries I have not had it actually set the reset. In the video I was pressing as hard as I could and stalling out the motor. The only two tools that you would be able to do this with would be an angle grinder and a circular saw.

[@jafinch78]

Neat idea. Seems like a great product. Thanks for sharing.

[@f.k.burnham8491]

Do you notice any difference in the use of the PDnation 18V batteries in the Dewalt tools that use the 20 V batteries?

[@sixtyfiveford]

18 volt/20 volt is identical in voltage. The pack voltage of all DeWalt tools is 20 volts Max but 18 volt nominal. So DeWalt chooses to go with the maximum voltage for marketing. Whereas Makita and Milwaukee choose to use the nominal 18 volt for their marketing even though those are 20 volts Max as well. 21700 cell s are going to perform better than 18650s all day long. I feel that this PD Nation pack with one row of 21700s performs better than a twin row 4 amp hour/5 amp hour DeWalt pack.

[@Isaac-47517]

... and Ginger-time , thats a great video.

[@sixtyfiveford]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@dragonfalcon8474]

I wonder if the universal batteries will somehow damage certain tools/brands over time.

[@sixtyfiveford]

@@dragonfalcon8474 That's like saying a Duracell is going to hurt a device that originally came with an Energizer battery. Internally the battery cells are identical.

[@dragonfalcon8474]

​@@sixtyfiveford The electronics are not the same though. The battery cells are not what's in question here. Especially when these batteries are tuned by the brand to deliver power differently to maximize performance. So delivering too much or too little power could absolutely cause issues. A quick Google search has multiple articles that state that. Which is why universal batteries haven't caught on yet. The Ceenr batteries seem to have real potential though. Time will tell, imo.

[@nathanyamaha465]

You could use that hot glue gun to bump out that release button.

[@sixtyfiveford]

Yeah, something needs to be done about it. I've gotten used to it but it took a couple days.

[@vsvnrg3263]

@@sixtyfiveford , i often wear gloves. gloves off for every battery change is a nuisance. thats the only thing i could see wrong with it. a fabulous idea well designed.

[@jayortiz1741]

Put updates on that battery😊😊

[@willmorton6800]

I don't see Ryobi on their website. :(

[@sixtyfiveford]

I'm sure this is a patent legal nightmare.

[@FoxieTrix]

I have been using 3d printed batery adapters on my cheap powertools with Milwaukee baterys and yes it's bulky and sometimes it's sucks but if you buy verry cheap battery tools with no aftermarked support it wil do they trick

[@davestaco]

What about 60 volt dewalt tools?

[@sixtyfiveford]

They're in a voltage class of all their own, so there's nothing cross parallel with on other brands. These adapters never change the voltage.

[@kenkennedy5516]

Universal batteries , needs a memorable name……how about ….Ginger! His batteries are long lasting 👍🤪

[@TgWags69]

I have some old porter cable drills that used the nicad batteries. Do they make an adapter for those? I know the voltage is different, but i don't care about that, the DC motor won't care. I'd love to use them again. They were nice drills but not worth buying old nicad junk to run them.

[@sixtyfiveford]

I don't think they're going to support any older stuff right away. I do have a video on my channel where I converted my old 14.4 volt Porter-Cable to run off of modern 20 volt lithium battery packs and it works awesome.

[@Isaac-47517]

whats the max input wattage while charging?

[@sixtyfiveford]

Should be 65 watts

[@Isaac-47517]

whats up with the double lawn blade?

[@sixtyfiveford]

Honda mowers all have a double blade for better mulching.

[@Isaac-47517]

@@sixtyfiveford i dont think i have ever seen anyone with a Honda mower in my life. I was just wondering if the briggs 550e or 625exi could handle two blades, maybe the extra mass and kinetic energy would cut through thick stuff easier, or maybe just the opposite.

[@sixtyfiveford]

@@Isaac-47517 I actually custom modified my '70s mower with a 4 horsepower to run the Honda dual blades. I don't think it would cut tall grass any easier. It would actually make it a little bit more difficult because it mulches it/ chews it up multiple times.

[@Isaac-47517]

@@sixtyfiveford come to think of it I have used that type of mulch blade before, but i was thinking two cutting blades, and now thinking maybe one modified to leave 3/4" gap between!! You should try it!!!!

[@Isaac-47517]

you could do it easy

[@bmlennox]

Usb is not a rugged port so this setup is for occassional use only. The usb port will plug will evenyually fail. I think the usb-c only delivers 3amps at 5v or 15 watts. This would mean a minimum 3hr charge time for a 4amp-hr 20 v battery

[@sixtyfiveford]

USB C is now up to about 65 watts with a theoretical one coming out in the future that's up to 240 watts. They incorporate higher voltage connections to get more wattage. Something like 19 volts but don't quote me on that. I plugged it into a basic USB a to USB C port and it took about 3 hours. I then plugged it into a USBC to USBC high rate that my cell phone uses and it took about an hour and a half.

[@mikebond6328]

Usb-c is the fastest charging system available.

[@Wil_Liam1]

I really enjoy these Ginger videos with some something or other included by Moe... 😆

[@gutsngorrrr]

I've noticed when using the old converters, you wouldn't get the true power output of the battery and therefore the tools would always underperform. Is this the same with these batteries? The safety side of doing this was also a concern of mine.

[@sixtyfiveford]

Every tool I put these on performed equal or better than with stock batteries. That mainly due to them using the newest 21700 battery cells that you can't even get with some tools.

[@gutsngorrrr]

​@@sixtyfiveford That's good to know. I look forward to seeing these when they come out to the general public.

[@Donn29]

You should be able to reset a tripped battery with the USB A port on another battery pack, so you don't need a AC connected charger?

[@sixtyfiveford]

Very true, that should work. I just wish they made the power indicator button or some other button to reset it.

[@ianatkinson4096]

What's your take on batteries that say there replacement battery but not genuine. Some say batteries are genuine but don't have logo on them .some say batteries can damage tool if not genuine. Hope you can shed some light on the issue for me .also love your videos regards ian

[@sixtyfiveford]

They won't ever hurt the tool that I've ever seen. However the reason they're so cheap is they put horrible batteries inside. If you bought one that claimed to be 6.0amp hours, it would probably only give you about 3.0 amp hours. They generally aren't high drain either so they can't supply a ton of current to the tool so the tool has less power. Running them off of a tool that draws a lot of power will generally destroy the battery pack itself but do no harm to the tool. However, they do serve a purpose if you wanted to run a device that doesn't draw a ton of power like a fan. That being said, in my experience, the off-brand batteries generally have a lifespan of anywhere from 3 months to maybe a year. We're an OEM battery is anywhere from 3 years to 10.

[@ianatkinson4096]

Thanks for information cheers

[@brentkarow4615]

Do you know if they can be charged with the tools original charger as well?

[@sixtyfiveford]

It can't.

[@emmettturner9452]

Did you buy those INR21700-50S Samsungs when they were on sale at 18650 Battery Store? I tried but the website glitched not kept trying to apply some Spring 10% sale on top of the bigger sale and the price would go WAY UP. I needed a ton of them too. Out of 8 DeWALT DCB210 batteries only ONE works. OK, #8 turned out to be a counterfeit but I would’ve quit while I was ahead if I were able to get those cells to rebuild the packs I had!

[@sixtyfiveford]

They were on sale when I bought them a few weeks ago. AND yes they are to repair a DCB210. Those batteries have the worst luck.

[@emmettturner9452]

@@sixtyfiveford Exactly what I needed to know. Thanks! I went back and looked at my screen recording of the glitch and I could see it showed the correct price for a single frame right before the unwanted 90 cent discount broke the math. They applied it to the before-sale price and replaced the sale price with the result causing it to jump up over 53%. I wish I had pressed on like you did. I almost got ripped off by an impostor earlier today regarding these same batteries. They presumed to have them for 4.99. They look almost the exact same except they don’t have “Store” in the name. I actually called them thinking they were the same company to see if I could get the price they were supposed to be three weeks ago and they told me their site didn’t exist then. At least they were honest about that but that’s still extremely shady. 18650 Battery Store has been around for 13+ years now.

[@sixtyfiveford]

I was thinking about it today and maybe these 50S aren't that good. That DeWalt 10 amp hour on Home. Depot's website has one star overall. They're all failing, left and right. I went to repair a 10 amp hour today and one of the good original Samsung 50s was now a dead short and killing its parallel. Either that or there was just a bad run from 2-3 years ago when this pack was made

[@emmettturner9452]

@@sixtyfiveford I think it’s Option #2. Last year DeWALT was bundling FlexVolt batteries with the 2nd gen mowers instead (sticker over the DCB210s on the box) and telling customers that they didn’t have any replacements for warranty claims… but suddenly they are back everywhere… with the 2nd gen and new 3rd gen mowers. Hopefully they’ve worked out the issues. I’ve had a lot of suspicious failures myself where they end up internally shorted. It seems that they go out of balance first, then get too hot after you rebalance and continue running them, then short out after getting too hot. The whole reason the DCB210 is in a larger shell than the DCB206/208 must be for extra cooling but that doesn’t seem to be enough… at least for a certain batch of cells which seem to cook themselves. Yeah, DCB206 has the same cell count and uses the same size (21700) cells so the 50S would definitely fit the tighter housing. I saw where someone used these cells to rebuild a 12AH FlexVolt and I wonder if that would be a better application for these since you’d reduce the amperage drawn from each cell for a 20V Max tool.

[@Kitzkrieg]

My 3D print conversion mount isn't bulky and seems balanced

[@sixtyfiveford]

Yes, these have low voltage cutoff.

[@mesh1248]

Does it work with flexvolt batteries?

[@sixtyfiveford]

Flexvolt 60v Dewalt; No.

[@DamnGoodITGuy]

What I want to know is can I use my existing chargers with the adapter plates so I don't have use USB C to charge?

[@sixtyfiveford]

Nope.

[@bossmanz28]

There is definitely potential here but def some issues still. Can possibly be remedied by ceenr. 1 like you said about the reset thing but the other 1 which i think is huge is the charging. The usb c is a great option but you should be able to put it on a brands charger with the adapter. Because of this i dont think it will make it to jobsites very much but jus maybe ppl garages. The charging is slow compared to fast chargers that these companies offer. Of course the other thing is idk what the price is but for jobsites if someone want to run a ton of these it would make sense to get an adapter for every tool so you can seamlessly switch. And also of course higher capacity batteries as well but its just the beginning Edit: I've also heard from another video that because of the usb c charging only that the cells aren't being balanced like what factory dedicated chargers do and if you use it heavily and a lot of recharge cycles it's not going to last as long but who knows only test of time will tell that

[@sixtyfiveford]

It's actually going to be the opposite, most oem battery chargers don't balance the cells very well at all. The USB C charging circuit on this battery is going to do an excellent job at balancing the cells. Not only that is the death sentence for most battery packs is fast charging. The slow charging (90 minutes) The USBC does will definitely increase the life of the battery pack substantially. I've opened up, repaired and worked on a lot of OEM batteries. Mainly from Milwaukee DeWalt, Makita, Hitachi, Ryobi and Ridgid. They seem to balance charge only for a set amount of time and then they stop. And it only gets worse as time goes on as one cell always drops off. I don't think the market for these is a tradesman. If you're using these tools every single day and can't afford the exorbitant amount for orm batteries, you're doing your job wrong. These are definitely geared more towards avid DIY people. People that aren't dedicated to one brand and or want the best tool in a certain category/brand.

[@bossmanz28]

@@sixtyfiveford good information to know. Thanks for the response

[@watuzi]

I already have too many Ryobi batteries. Maybe if the price is right

[@Rein_Ciarfella]

Watched this in my phone so I couldn’t tell - were you able to take that battery apart without fasteners or tools?!!!

[@sixtyfiveford]

There's just 4 phillips screws on each side and it snaps apart.

[@rameshpersaud7131]

Sold

[@charlesflakusj.r6344]

looked around their website I see no support for Ryobi 18v

[@sixtyfiveford]

The annoyance with this is it brand new and actually not even for sale yet. I did see a video with the Ryobi adapter they are making and they do list is under the brands on their website. I will say though, Ryobi batteries are already some of the most affordable out there and this will likely not be any cost savings.

[@JohnMGibby]

Why do they not have a docking system to charge them. The tool makers quickly found out that no one wants to plug in a cord to the battery to charge it. They want to drop it into a dock. IMO the sharp corners will be likely to be an issue when dropped, especially when attached to a tool. Great idea, good execution. If they get enough market traction, I could see them doing quite well as long as the tool manufacturers continue their own proprietary battery-to-tool interface solutions. But once they coalesce on a standard, Ceenr will be out of business.

[@sixtyfiveford]

I think the main selling point behind not having a docking system is not having a separate charger. We plug in our cell phones our laptops and everything else and I think they're seeing this along those lines. The square is unavoidable due to them trying to take up the minimal amount of space with the batteries inside. They would have to physically bump out the front/back and sides to be able to make a rounded edge. I guess they could make the front bottom and back round up though, but not the sides. This is a great first step and it'll open the door for them to make better or even other companies to make better. Manufacturers will never have a uniform platform. They have too much money and can buy their way out of any legal issues/ cover themselves with unique patents that require certain things, etc.

[@jonanderson5137]

With USB C charging, there are some quality chargers that support simultaneously charging about 5 devices at once. Not a bad deal. The bad deal in dirty fast paced real work, dust, dirt, water, grime intrusion combined with USB pretty much needing to be mostly clean. Would add cost on top of needing soft corners etc. but an actual mechanical dust cap for the USB is needed. Until then, proprietary chargers and battery adapters between Milwaukee, Makita and DeWalt.

[@Kitzkrieg]

Now that I think of it, isn't each brand's connected copy protected? This means Ceenr is asking for trouble IMO

[@sixtyfiveford]

You would think so but the adapters have been for sale for 5 or so years now. But they could just be hiding under a million different small brands and not worth the headache. I do notice I took careful care and not using any of the OEM colors on the adapters and making them not fit into the charging docks. Patents are a funny thing that can be skirted in a lot of ways. Technically, I think Milwaukee is the only one allowed to use lithium batteries in their packs due to patents. But somehow others have skirted it and or paid royalties to Milwaukee for this.

[@howder1951]

Great video. The future is here now making these batteries interchangeable like standard A,B,or C cells. Thanks for the vid! Industrial sites will be able to consolidate their tools this way.

[@greebo7857]

2:31. Means the bloody tool might stand up better. I want the TourqueTestChannel to do something with these. Sounds brilliant. 4:15 Except on 'Waukee. Their M18 release buttons suck. All my stuff is Red, and all my stuff, especially M12, suck to get the batt off. And yes, we DO want this. For 12v too. I also want it for my older NiCd stuff, rather than to just toss it or make my own adapters, which I have done.

[@jonanderson5137]

I think torque test already covered these. They work but nothing special.

[@sixtyfiveford]

I'm glad someone agrees with me about how bad Milwaukee battery release is. Yes TTC did a review on these a few weeks ago and they performed well. Not breaking records but not bad in anyway.

[@greebo7857]

@@sixtyfiveford Thanks. I'll check out TTC cos I must have missed it.

[@LunkerFishing]

How much will they cost?

[@sixtyfiveford]

They'll be cheaper than most oem(or else they won't sell). They claim a projected price of as low as $70 for 1 battery and 3 adapters. That would equate to $40ish for the battery and $10ish for each adapter.

[@ZPDSurvival]

I like this. Very Cool. Thank You.

[@TheShadeTreeFixitMan]

Great review!

[@sixtyfiveford]

Thanks!

[@Asomesauc]

Fantastic video thank you brother

[@jameskim62]

Looks all good, but how they are going to fulfill the 3-year WARRANTY ????? The only way to return the battery pack is through ground shipping or return to the store. I am sure air freight/UPS, FEDEX, or DHL will NOT take it ~~~~~Unless they have all the safety certifications??? I went through it all related to shipping/air lithium batteries.

[@sixtyfiveford]

Who knows? I know manufacturers like DeWalt/ Porter Cable/ Black& Decker don't even request the battery back. They simply have you take a picture of it and describe the issue and they just send you a new pack. Makita makes you physically take it into a local service center. And Milwaukee makes you actually ship it back to them. Chervon who makes Ego Flex and Skil doesn't have you ship them back either.

[@sixtyfiveford]

But also maybe they'll have less warranty issues than name brands. I say this because the two killers of these batteries are fast charging and high drain without safety cutoffs. These are slow charging relative to name brand and the annoying safety shut off would allow the battery to cool and cause less damage.

[@09FLTRMM77]

MM77 Approved 👍🏼 👍🏼……………………………………………………………………That’s the reason I stick with one tool brand, it keeps me sane when I need another battery because they are all the same. I don’t forget to charge them because I have a six port charger and there are always at least a couple on charge. That being said, there are tools from other manufacturers that I would like to have, but won’t buy them because I don’t want the hassle of buying a whole other line of batteries. Thanks to you, I have made a couple of adapters for a couple of older tools that were destined for the trash, so they use batteries that I already own. I may look into these batteries when they come available, they are simple, no bulky chargers, and they would open up tools from other manufacturers without having to invest in a bunch of different batteries.

[@jeanlawson9133]

7 mm - 9/32...... not 1/4...... AIN'T IT JUST AIN'T IT 😜 lols.... Sorry I was being that guy.... This is a great concept...

[@sixtyfiveford]

Actually 7mm is 69/250... But who's keeping track.

[@JeepITguy]

Shame it won't work with ryobi EDIT see you claim they do, but I couldn't find them on their site. I will keep an eye open.

[@2LateIWon]

Oh that's awesome and I'm only 1min in to the video

[@michaelrosenlof1084]

A lot of excellent information thank you very much✅👍🏻