Size Matters? 420mm vs 360mm AiO Showdown

[@cortneywebb1677]

360 vs 420 isn't about more cooling capacity most of the time. Most of the time it is because 140 mm fans are quieter. You skipped the one variable that mattered in this test LOL.

[@RobeytechLive]

We asked the question to our community and stream audience when they consider AiO's at that size because they think bigger is actually better (acutally sound only came up to folks who truly understood fan speed etc and it was a VERY small margin). When you are right 420s are more about noise but also surface area. So, when people think I am building a 14900KS they immediately think I can get a 420 mm AIO and cool it. So the video was focused on when you think about COOLING (which regardless of noise is the primary focus of an AiO) bigger doesn't necessarily mean better. Sorry, but most of the audience out there doesn't connect sound with bigger size, you are making a rather large assumption.

[@cortneywebb1677]

@@RobeytechLive Thank you for the clarification I didn't not know this video was based upon a previous poll. I do enjoy your videos though. Wasn't trying to sound as if I was putting it down, but yes, I feel most people don't realize that 360 3x120mm and 420 3x140mm is more about noise and not cooling capacity. Once again thank you for your reply. It makes a lot more sense that you ignored that metric based on audience poll.

[@roro_81]

​@@cortneywebb1677so which one makes less noise?

[@cortneywebb1677]

@@roro_81 well it depends on fan quality and other factors but a 420mm would have 3 140mm fans larger fans don’t have to spin as fast for the same volume or CFM of air so the 420 should be more quiet

[@user-vl4iq7bj5e]

how many have you tested? the arctic iii 420 has better cooling for overnight/extended use than all non super premium 360s because of the thicker radiator

[@Foghat133]

This was so informative for me. Ive been bouncing back and forth watching and reading soooo many reviews. Thanks. This helped a lot

[@RobeytechLive]

For the raw data if you want to dig in more and nerd out here you go: AMD CPU AiO Comparison Data - 1drv.ms/x/s!AjLCQDvYSJCGi48ev5T-S7dvhqtdyA?e=pZ1ynO Intel CPU AiO Comparison Data - 1drv.ms/x/s!AjLCQDvYSJCGi48dtMV4g1VgMW8EMw?e=A3nsDT

[@sabishiihito]

The Ryujin III and Galahad II LCD use the same pump and radiator (Asetek Gen 8) so any performance differences should come down to the fans and possibly the stock thermal paste.

[@RobeytechLive]

It's fans. We don't use the stock thermal paste we limit the variables.

[@sabishiihito]

@@RobeytechLive which is even stranger as I'd expect Lian Li to have better fans than Asus

[@Games_and_Tech]

Also the glacier one

[@Ruinaruk]

Would like to see the sound normalized values on all these. Without knowing the RPM of the fans and the dB of the sound, it is hard to know how valuable the data that your presented is. Are they all running full out like a hurricane? Are some relatively quiet?

[@Games_and_Tech]

best video ever Justin! I have been waiting years for this!

[@4nyxy]

yeah dude thats what im thinking too, that must been a lot of work!

[@the_thornhill]

for those looking at Deepcool: I currently have a lt720 360mm AIO from them, and it has started making a really annoying buzzing noise. It's fairly common with Deepcool AIOs, lots of people have experienced it with their products, so cheaper isn't always better.

[@brendencellan6576]

I’m considering buying the thermaltake TH420. How is the pump noise on it?

[@outlet6989]

One of the weak components of any AIO is its pump. Its job is to transfer the CPU heat to the radiator, and the pump's flow to the radiator determines how well the radiator dissipates the heat. The solution is to have a high volume of coolant flow from the pump and larger-diameter hoses that increase the amount of coolant going to the radiator. These changes would improve CPU cooling.

[@guesswork]

I don't really know about this testing. Was this all in the same room? On the same day? What was the temp of the room? Also Newegg? The Arctic 420 is like 125$ on Amazon. Sometimes way less. It's really just a bunch of completely random numbers that we as the audience have no idea of correlation. There are so many variables that are left a complete mystery

[@RobeytechLive]

The data with all of that is in the comments. Not really sure if anyone shows you all of that!? But it’s the same room, same setup, same ambient temp, same hardware minus the AiO that changes with the same thermal paste. The only variables of change are the AiO and the time of day. Hope that helps.

[@GOPNiK-47]

Mind if i ask what thermal paste you use?

[@Games_and_Tech]

Glad to see my CPU cooler Phanteks Glacier One 420D30 on top, it is not only temps... is about noise and the pitch of the noise from a 140mm fan

[@JohnDoe-bx1bw]

I had a terrible time installing my arctic freezer 3 on an am5. The moment you get one of the screws connected the whole pump plate skews to that side and the other side won’t connect at all. Until they fix their installation I’m never buying another arctic aio.

[@Zona-rr2zp]

Well you first put brackets then you tried to put head of the cooler :) ..pre set brackets on head of the coler the install them on MB ..tighten first brackets and after that head..no problem and super easy

[@JohnDoe-bx1bw]

@ tried that too, it was even worse bc with my mobo I couldn’t properly get to screws and tighten them up. In the end I just applied more force to the second screw. But then it felt like the mono’s pcb would break. Good thing it didn’t

[@Zona-rr2zp]

@@JohnDoe-bx1bw i have no idea how you manage to do what you just described( or i didnt understood you) ..either outside of the case or inside the case ..theres nothong which obsecures vision to the screws...i mounted a week ago one 420mm artic on a mdi x870e mb ..it all went easy

[@JohnDoe-bx1bw]

@ the two lower screws of the socket rails are covered partially by the pump and tubes. It doesn’t matter whether you assemble it inside or outside of the case. If you put the rails to the pump first and then try to put everything on to the mobo, you won’t be able the get to the two lower screws with a screwdriver. Idk if I explained it well, sry

[@rekareaper]

Nice lack of noise normalization and talk of fan pitch. 120mm based AIOs normally run at higher fans speeds with generally more noticeable and annoying sound pitches.

[@martinezrx71]

Why does no one ever test the lian li 360 performance aio ?

[@WayneLinorice]

Did you use the offset mount for the arctic liquid freezer 420

[@eruas490]

can lian li galahad II trinity performance be on top of list🤔

[@BigChiefActual1]

I know the horse has been stricken with rigamortis at this point, but maybe a peice on air v liquid cooling with cooler systems that are roughly the same price? Is water cooling worth it if your on am5? The chips are so cool and power efficient.

[@SerCaliber]

No noise values is a missed opportunity as balancing performance with AIO is essential to finding a middle ground that works for you. Often these PCs sit within a yard of their user, sure you can run the AIO at max and it'll cool well, it might not be enjoyable to sit next to.

[@garun01]

sad there's no noise test for all of these aio's, it would have been a perfect video w it

[@MikeZak101]

I have the Phanteks Glacier One 420 D30 in the NV9 case, I have it push pull 14900k pulling 320w at 1.33v and scores just under 42000 in R23 at 82c to 85c, gaming is low mid 50c, idles around 27c, and this is all at 45% fan speed.

[@candoslayer]

A couple other questions to give answers that will be is the rad copper or aluminum a copper radiator will always put perform an aluminum one. So a smaller copper one will win over a larger aluminum also the Dan's used fans that have more static pressure will win on radiators.

[@JaggyP1109]

please post you testing methodology. So no noise normalization in your testing???????

[@borisabramovich3166]

what about noise level 360 vs 420

[@MeterJeter1]

Just water cooling your pc ?

[@francescodigiovanni4632]

Interesting! I supposed bigger is better. However, I choosed Arctic Liquid Freezer III ARGB white mounted in a Lian Li O11 Evo XL case, because it can fill its huge dimension and because its price: 99.32 euros.

[@meelis2279]

Hmm no one noticed big fail in this testing? NO NOISE test or normalization? So if one AIO fans are louder and cools better in temps that is not tested aginst quieter pumps or fans? Its like half baked meat here.

[@joshhernandez8680]

Thank god i needed this video for the 14900k!!!, we need a comprehensive custom water loop data video just like this one... is it worth it!

[@FatheredPuma81]

Noise normalization?????????

[@superdudet1621]

No ek nucleus 360??

[@vasiovasio]

Super valuable video! One suggestion, the benchmark tables are too small for normal reading on mobile! Fe facto, you use 25% of the screen for every table group! On big screen looks ok and I know it is a design choose from the editor, but please forward my comment to him and lets he watch the entire video on his phone, to see for what I talking about.

[@bulletboy159]

I would love to see for example a Phanteks D30 fan on the thick 38mm arctic liquid freezer 3 radiator! Almost non do this and present us with data. And i think you can get the best of 2 worlds that way with the best performance!

[@jamesbevan9989]

I don't think the radiator and fan matter as much as the block to transfer the heat.

[@outlet6989]

You're so correct. Many people need to remember that the heat transfer plate is the first step in CPU cooling. Get that wrong and no AIO will save your PC.

[@63supercobrajet]

So why not have tested this using an i9-14900K.? -that would've been a more realistic test of 360mm vs 420mm.

[@cthulhu_original]

Why don’t you show the product out of the box

[@elementcorp]

Stop looking for change while recording 😂 just kidding! Great content! Thanks!

[@zazo..]

you could show the aio's and not the boxes...

[@specialist812003]

The liquid freezer 3 black 420 on release week was $92

[@RobeytechLive]

Yeah it goes on sale quite often

[@Henrique-wv9xq]

Seeing as it's at the bottom of the charts more often than not, I can't say I feel like that would be money well spent. Bummer tho, because I was ready to build a new system with an O11 Evo RGB and the LF III, but I wasn't expecting it to get outclassed so easily by smaller AIOs lol

[@rekareaper]

@@Henrique-wv9xqthis video shows no data for fan speed or noise differences. 120mm sized AIOs normally run at higher fan speeds.

[@kristoffer3000]

@@Henrique-wv9xq Funny how it's usually at the top or very near it for EVERY other review yet here it's at the bottom and his 'review' of it got destroyed in the comments. Reeks of bs tbh

[@Milchschndde]

​@@Henrique-wv9xqIt is literally the best in noise normalized test which matters arguably more then full speed tests. Also the arctic fans are one of the most silent and efficient on the market.

[@Antho2030]

No dB …

[@ToniMerikanto]

You have same motherboard on both test results

[@speybondon]

Totally wasted test tbh. If you dont test the AiO noise normalized, the data is kinda worthless. Most of the chart-toppers just brute force through the ranks...

[@s1nb4d59]

Handy stats too know,at least the ASUS ROG Ryujin III 360 ARGB EVA-02 EDITION that i have to go into my build has a good pedigree.

[@4nyxy]

What a list wow, thats a good used car for that im very excited of these results pop that champagne lets goo

[@roxyblue8915]

You Right !

[@danielk.3017]

pls do such a video with i9 14900ks

[@engahmednofal]

incredible

[@nksnikos1605]

Ek nucleus direct die 360 beat whatever aio 360/420 . I have on 14900k max temp in cinebench r20 75-80C with 0 bioss setting only xmp for ram .

[@josephmartik1416]

I just got the graphic card isntalled with nvidea geforce drivers. Please tell me how to do benchmark tests and any test on graphics card

[@lCountMike]

Wrong CPUs, 7700x and 14700 can be cooled with fair/good air coolers, should have used 7950x and 14900KF. All you have to do is to stay under 90c.

[@billyolsson3340]

just reapplying thermal paste can diff +-5c tho. So these tests is not accurate, sorry ;/

[@RobeytechLive]

We used the same thermal paste across all of them to minimize the variables

[@napoficial7123]

Just build AMD PC. First time i use AIO. They are nice but, got bomb noise. First i thought it was back cage fan, then search in internet for Bomb noise and fix it. Just moved the cage side to side😂 and fixed.

[@josephlau8476]

I like your channel very much.

[@ZomgZomg007]

This video is lacking noise analysis.

[@KK-nl6zq]

Bro, your video is informative, but I cannot read any letters in your graphs. Make your fonts bigger so a normal person can read!

[@SchizoGamingChannel]

Size doesn’t matter! I don’t care what u say

[@Games_and_Tech]

that's what she said

[@kenny10497]

open test bench is not a real test inside a case is areal test::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

[@Star_Gazing_Coffee_Lover]

I see what doing. Team Asus!

[@ChaosMcCain]

As per my last email 😅😢😂

[@superdudet1621]

Ek aio is the one to beat but not included

[@TheKonzenDoji]

noctua nh-d15 and gg