Dual Axes? Spiked Shields? - Response to Game Theory

[@maximaldinotrap]

Mat Pat: Axes are glorified sticks Skall: **Thwacks him with a quarter staff** Now that is a glorified stick.

[@thevashfan12392]

that's a real sticking point right there nope, I was wrong, that one is!

[@wulfherecyning1282]

@@thevashfan12392 Yes, that's about the thrust of it.

[@thevashfan12392]

@@wulfherecyning1282 okay, I'm kinda getting tired of being the target dummy.....! oh fuckin' christ....

[@mmmorgi]

@@thevashfan12392 damn bro you got a whole roleplay sesh goin

[@thevashfan12392]

@@mmmorgi speak not to me! I am not the dunedain prince and heir to the throne!

[@shadiversity]

Really awesome video mate, loved the detailed thoughts on the saga's and the clarification against looking to us youtubers as unquestionable authorities, as you said, we all get things wrong.

[@felipeguzzonsenhorini1051]

And so the trinity is made anew

[@blakexu4943]

HEMA is both a scholarly & historical pursuit that is accompanied by martial elements. Pop-cultural reductionism will be overtly scrutinized & lambasted! 👍

[@pixelgabriel6099]

damn, ambitious crossover

[@texasredhimself]

Felipe Guzzon Senhorini Don’t forget Scholagladiatoria!

[@blakexu4943]

@@texasredhimself modern history tv/Jason Kingsley might as well be a bona fide knight lol.

[@devam8192]

It went from "responding/reacting to matpats video" to a "full on educational history lesson" but hey, I ain't complaining.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Win win

[@shadekeigarblacksky]

We get to learn too. So it's nice.

[@VaporeonEnjoyer1]

He's really good at analyzing Five Nights at Freddy's. He's good at connecting dots that a creative mind places in very obscure ways. But don't go for him for historical accuracy.

[@megagamecraft5922]

nice

[@captainpuffinpuffinson4769]

" *The venerable saints of HEMA* " this is a great name for a podcast

[@joshuahadams]

Great band name too.

[@DON4419]

I thought that was a video game

[@captainpuffinpuffinson4769]

@@DON4419 with elderly men hitting people with swords?

[@paladinofthelostdays7392]

Yup. We need a once a month podcast with Skall, Shad, and Thrang&Thrand called this

[@thedyingtitan1247]

@@captainpuffinpuffinson4769 forgot the Metatron and Lindybeige

[@metatronyt]

Very nice video as always! I LOVED the part when you actually show how the combat with two weapons is done, showing that both sides of the body can be used simultaneously. On the "shield being a hinderance" thing, I don't really have anything against what you said and the way you explained it, your point is definitely valid, but Matt Patt said that "because of its unique benefits, Japanese armour made shields more of a hinderance than a defensive boost" So with that statement in mind, I still think a shield is not "MORE of a hinderance THAN a defensive boost", to me it's a defensive boost with some hinderance, as you have perfectly pointed out here. Just my opinion of course :) Thank you for the video, and keep up the good work! I'm always looking forward to your uploads.

[@DanJay1996]

Oh he’s here! He has spread his wings.

[@vanivanov9571]

If shields were more of a benefit than a hindrance to the Samurai, they would've used shields. The armour is not the only factor in that, of course.

[@metatronyt]

@@vanivanov9571 Yes there are definitely other factors, for example the fact that samurai were mainly archers/gunners. A samurai is infact an inbetween a knight and an archer if you think about it. Weapon choice does play a big role into whether or not you choose to use a shield, rather than the shield being a hinderance more than a benefit.

[@Skallagrim]

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. I don't find his statement too terrible, but it was questionable for sure. A shield offers active defense, compared to the armor's passive protection, so it's can still be worthwhile.

[@vanivanov9571]

@@metatronyt But that just means its a hindrance to some combat professions. Like Skallagrim, I don't see the original statement as concerning. Rather, I figure Game Theory should be applauded and encouraged, for improving itself so drastically since that previous trainwreck of a video.

[@DRINKIWHISKY]

Skallagrim: My channel is named after A norse warrior Metatron: Mine's named after An angel Shadiversity: Greetings, I'm Shad

[@BeetleBuns]

Shad: hello am named after fish

[@Artemis0713]

...I mean you do know that the man himself is just named Skallagrim as well right? That's his legal name. Most of the names from the sagas are still in use as names in the various "Norse" cultures today. Including the name Skallagrim

[@DRINKIWHISKY]

@@Artemis0713 ...I mean, you do know he could have named his channel in every possible way

[@Artemis0713]

@@DRINKIWHISKY well yeah but still. Skallagrim is still just, his actual name. Nothing more

[@AzureRoxe]

@@Artemis0713 Did it never occur to you that the reason he was named that IS because of the norse meaning?

[@hdnfbp]

I think what people mean when they say "You should've contacted *insert HEAM person*" they mean "Have a specialist opinion before talking things as facts" the only problem is the way they say it

[@starguardlux2874]

I agree, but unfortunately it was still said that way, and its hard to divorce the arrogance in tone from the suggestion. I would be surprised if MatPat would even bother to consult based on what he read in his comments. Seriously arrogant and mean-spirited comments for no reason.

[@tommerker8063]

@@starguardlux2874 some for sure, but the ones skal showed did not seem arrogant. and honestly if you don't want rude or arrogant comments on the internet one should consider doing atleast some research. especially if your channel is called game THEORY when it should be called game hypothesis

[@f.c.laukhard3623]

@@tommerker8063 Thanks for the last sentence. I am no regular watcher of his videos but whenever I heard "it's just a theory", I cringed. I am working in science though so maybe that is why it bothered me :D

[@tommerker8063]

@@f.c.laukhard3623 yeah me too, this sentence is so often used to discredit valid science it's absolutely cringeworthy

[@matthewchoate3481]

But it isnt fact...its a "theory....a GAME THEORY" - The Irony is everyone is losing their minds over this but his channel does not even use the CORRECT definition for what a " Scientific theory" is. He actually makes Hypothesis .But hey when you spend all your time focusing on is "dual wielding a thing" , you lose sight that his videos are 90% entertainment 10% speculation from wikipedia haha

[@zephyrerazortail5478]

AC1: We removed the singlehanded crossbow from the trailer because it was anacronistic. ACV: ""VIKINGS!!"" FIRE ARROWS!! MAGIC!! EXCALIBUR!! MJOLNIR!!

[@kolbywilliams6288]

Hermaphrodeity King Arthur and Excalibur existed in the mid to late 600’s, so Excalibur COULD have existed if it was made with some magical bullshit metal in the AC universe. I haven’t played it because I hated every AC after black flag, but that’s all I can think of in terms of how Excalibur could fit into this story.

[@flightlesschicken7769]

They stopped giving a crap about historic accuracy around AC3 I believe

[@guilherme5094]

@@flightlesschicken7769 Exactly, and the logic of the game itself.

[@MFT9170]

I know a little of AC lore, so just a suggestion. Abstergo Entertainment is using memories to create movies, right? So what if those played memories are already modified. Could be, if the new versions of Animus can tweak them in real time.

[@kv-2thekingofderp866]

AC1: "We removed the singlehanded crossbow from the trailer because it was anacronistic." ACV: "We removed a character from the game because one crybaby on Twitter got offended"

[@redundantfridge9764]

Oh god, we finally complete the Triforce of Historical Realism.

[@kbyebleha2978]

Great can we wish for machicolations on every building on Earth now?

[@johnisaiah985]

Yes

[@Awootistic]

@@kbyebleha2978 but what about the dragons?

[@electricc437]

@@Awootistic About that...

[@UnexpectedWonder]

Yes!!! 😁😁😂😂🤣🤣

[@helldrake77777]

In his response video Shad flexed on us with his bow drawing skills, Metatron with the memes and now Skal flexes on us with the viking fashion. Nice.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

That helmet looks more like a Vedal style than the later viking, and drawing a bow requires more teknuiqe than... Never mind. Be spesific people

[@arnobeveraggi9794]

I don’t see what’s wrong with this helmet and what does drawing a bow requires more than drawing a bow ? I don’t see what you’re trying to say. Also spelling please

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

@@arnobeveraggi9794 vendal is pre viking, and archery requires spesific teknuiqe to draw correct to avoid many things but shad refused to listen when corrected so his entire stance and toxic fanbase makes your whole saint group bakcyard cos players and any claim of historical accuracy discounted, to be fair schola gladitoria is excemt as he is known to study historisk sources deals in antic arms. www.wikiwand.com/en/Vendel_Period

[@arnobeveraggi9794]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 what's the problem with using a vendel type helmet ? he never said it was from the viking period, and I'm pretty sure shad knows what he is talking about when it comes to archery, but again he never claimed to be an expert. overall your comment is kinda mean and unnecessary, this guy was just making a joke, "... Nevermind. Be specific people" ?? this just makes you sound like a big asshole, and I'm sure you're not one, so please don't do that again

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

@@arnobeveraggi9794 shad claimed ekstensive exsperiance in archery yet he could not use the right terms, and experts have disproven or backed up any claims to the contrary, there are many videos on archers /hunters that draw their bows wrong, but does only means the artist /videografer knew it was wrong or not it just documenting somone doing stuff. Now you have instructors you can ask, written sources, yet he refused all of them and cherry picked to unless the toxic fan base like the youre now displaying caus i gave you a nugget of history knowladge this fanbase claim to love, yet mat says duel wielding and you all cry havoc and outrage, we are the historians! Then someone thought we where talking vikings and how spesific a certain shield is or not, but cant mention that a helmet is out of period.. Talk about toxic taste of hypocrecy

[@professormetal4411]

8:45 "I was there, dear viewers, I was there 1000 years ago when Kveldulf buried his battle axe in the head of Hallvard."

[@tommerker8063]

someone should edit it over elronds speech in lotr ;)

[@HanSolo__]

Hey, if he says he was there it means he was there. Why would you even think not to believe the guy that is committed to his audience the way Skall is? If somebody's gonna try to r/woosh me he asks automatically for getting a quarterstaff short-stroke "kiss".

[@tommerker8063]

@@HanSolo__ the question now is. is he a time traveler from our time that went back and did some amazing feats, or is he an immortal super man?

[@HanSolo__]

@@tommerker8063 He is just a very old guy that doesn't like the sun...

[@tommerker8063]

@@HanSolo__ superman it is then ;)

[@STVODVIL]

You have to give it to Shadiversity, Metatron, and Skallagrim for being humble in their responses in stating “we don’t know everything”. Best thing about The Community of The Sword.

[@TresTrefusis]

That's called discipline, something the martial arts engenders in the people that participate in it, agree, well done to all three.

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

Shad said lets not pile up on him, toxic fan base heard what??? Everyones makes video, the fans demand video from everywhere caus there favorite soap is on lockdown. And the toxic fumes fill the air..

[@Mecha82]

Same can't be said about MatPat himself as he is always so smug and he pretends to be all knowing.

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 just cus people made a video on him doesn’t mean they’re piling on him. It’s not like they’re saying mean things to him they’re just correcting some of his points.

[@histkontext]

it is sad that hema community is opposite, too toxic and elitist on so many levels

[@francoisperreaulthistorica3904]

Stuff like lantern shields and fancy combination weapons could also sometimes be masterpieces used to prove a craftsman's ability as a test for the guilds they might be trying to join after their apprenticeship. In later periods, this also takes the form of making miniature swords and firearms as it was considered much harder to work on a small scale.

[@elgostine]

also never underestimate the human desire for impractical shiny things with lots of features to show off your importance

[@trequor]

@@elgostine That trait is not unique to us. Virtually all the keen-sighted creatures (mainly birds) collect shiny things for social reasons.

[@elgostine]

@@trequor yer thinking about it to hard, never said it was exclusively human

[@bman296]

"That's a pommeling" oh so he embraced the meme.....good

[@jestervaleska1806]

The meme ? What do you mean ? Skal is the grim pommeler, this is very serious and not to be memed about.

[@bman296]

@@jestervaleska1806 I apologize you are correct

[@jurtheorc8117]

@@jestervaleska1806 The title of fool might adorn your name like a crown, but yet most wisdom is delivered from those that maintain a position like yours. What i'm saying is, jesters are pretty sweet.

[@Randomdudefromtheinternet]

He didn't embrace the meme, he started it.

[@emperorfaiz]

The third pillar of the holy trinity has finally responded.

[@Toshiro_Mifune]

lindybeige: "Am i a joke to you?"

[@ericward8459]

The Iron Council passes their judgement

[@stc3145]

The Golden Triangle

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

You mean the big three

[@shakybill3]

@@USSAnimeNCC- Get yer maintenance joke outta 'ere!

[@jasonthedemigod9649]

Nordic Sagas: "He struck him with an axe into his chest...." Everyone: "Plausible" Nordic Sagas: "then he threw him at another guy who caught fire, killing the entire army" Everyone: "Hold up"

[@anthonyhayes1267]

Then he did a backflip axe throw that split a mountain open and revealed a black hole that sucked up any trace of the battle.

[@tada-kun982]

Then he yelled with Thor's rage and lightning incinerated the soy saxon leader and his dragon

[@fjalarhenriksson]

Do not piss on my herritage. if i knoew you this comment would have hurt you badly.

[@kingalphawerewolf]

@@fjalarhenriksson Bet? Like, what if I say I think the sagas are neat by way over rated compared to other surviving literature, or are goofy bedtime stories that you now place natoinal pride in? Lol. I don't even beleive either of those things for real, but but your silly threats do make me want to poke you.

[@stannypk5k9]

8:12 - Skal, your analysis of the sagas is very entertaining. Would love to see more content like that, focused solely on your criticism of the martial arts in the tales to see if the writing is practical, somewhat embellished or pure fantasy. As far as I know, no one else on KZbin has attempted that yet.

[@rolfsoldaat]

I wanna hear hear Skall's take on Grettir the Strong killing a berserker by kicking the bottom of the shield he was chewing on so hard it split his jaw open.

[@pegzounet]

Seconded. C'mon people, upvote !

[@dacenmarus1618]

Seconded. Edit: Thirded

[@gigaslave]

@@rolfsoldaat Probably broke his jawbone and some teeth and damaged his tongue, so with all the blood and loose teeth they thought he really did wreck the guy's jaw.

[@rolfsoldaat]

@@gigaslave In the story it kills him iirc.

[@voltekthecyborg7898]

Shad: Makes video Metatron: Makes video Skallagrim: Makes video Everyone: YAY

[@joe125ful]

Huh?

[@voltekthecyborg7898]

@@joe125ful I just wanted to be random

[@mrfeatherhat2879]

YAY

[@Lord_Unicorn]

YAY~~

[@richardlionerheart1945]

AAAYAYAYAYAY

[@maxmad7641]

Hail skal for staying so calm and collective like he always is, man has some patience and gives people the benefit of the doubt.

[@glynnporrino9435]

the lantern shield "a rich man's toy" or an armoursmiths display. Some weapons existed to show the skill of the craftsman, whether used or practical was not the point

[@jackjohnson6044]

Yeah, Sigtrygg deserved it. Shouldn't have said that katanas can cut through pommels.

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

Katanas can literally slice through full plate armor, of course they can go throug pommels.

[@ipc_is_better6281]

@@archbishopofthecrusades9579 What are you smoking lol

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

@@ipc_is_better6281 it was a joke, it was so obvious that I think you’re smoking lol

[@lordrewwot7336]

@@archbishopofthecrusades9579 well... to his defence, it’s the internet. And there are not just a few people who say stuff like this and actually believe it.

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

@@lordrewwot7336 yeah, fair enough lol

[@duchi882]

Shadiversity, Metatron and finally Skallagrim The Trinity of History and Historical Combat has voiced their thoughts. It'd be interesting for Lindybeige and Scholiagladiatora to also voice their thoughts.

[@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight]

Speaking of voicing their thoughts, am I the only one here who reads the comments made by Shad, Metatron, and Skall in their respective voices? As soon as I recognize Shad's comment, I mentally narrate him saying his comment in his accent.

[@overlorddante]

@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight god no, those voices automatically play

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

@@TrueMentorGuidingMoonlight get some medication urgently,

[@DeusEversor]

WE NEED ALL 5 OF THEM TOGETHER

[@HoundXXII]

Whats funny is metatron has now taken the spot that schalglad used to have

[@Goonwithatireiron823]

The Esteemed Council of the Venerable Saints of HEMA

[@keankolodziejski1605]

What does HEMA mean?

[@Goonwithatireiron823]

@@keankolodziejski1605 Historical European Martial Arts

[@keankolodziejski1605]

@@Goonwithatireiron823 ty

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

so, the HEMAgisterium?

[@philipearakaki]

Or Whatever!

[@wowf0rl1f3]

Imagine assassin's creed in the aztec empire. Since the jaguar warriors were much more hit and run tribal combat. Cloth armor and obsidian blades mixed with conquistadors giving access to the steel weapons and the atlatl instead of bows would make a neat change

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

I do sometime see people overcorrect a myth into becoming even more incorrect: _ The katana is invincible _ No, katana was meant to cut samurai wooden armor while longsword was meant to chop through steel-plate(Yes, I actually saw someone made this comment and 60+ people were agreeing)

[@DrakkarCalethiel]

Or that full plate was super heavy and restricting. That is one thing that makes my blood boil. :D

[@nicholashollis1522]

And how about: Knights can barely move in armor Armor has no effect whatsoever on the user's mobility or endurance.

[@aokhoinguyenang3992]

@@DrakkarCalethiel that came from most movie depiction, the plate-armors are not form fitted(custom made is the correct/only way to have mobility) because it's expensive as hell to make -> they mass produce roughly the size of every actor(this work better for chainmail since every part can be a joint).

[@feralblood1685]

@@DrakkarCalethiel Armor definitily affects endurance. Even just a modern Plate Carrier affects you alot in that regard. Do a Murph and you will know what im talking about.

[@laal6290]

Samurai armour was made from metal right.

[@Herandro_just_Herandro]

There's one thing you said that normal people, including video game developers, often forget to take into account: the costs. It's not like someone came up with some super-duper weapon project and just had to go to the nearest hardware store, grab some parts and tools, build it and test it. Things back in the past were a little more complicated... and expensive.

[@HolyPineCone]

So true. I make axe handles as a hobby and refurbish old axe heads. And just making the handle from a tree, using another Axe and a knife is quite the task. If you like curved handles that is. Just waiting for the wood to dry before you hang the head is kind of an time investment by itself.

[@arkman117]

The esteemed council of the venerable saints of hema. It’s official that’s how I’m referring to skall, shad, Matt, and meta tron from now on.

[@VikingTeddy]

Don't diss Lindy like that.

[@TheCatgirlGaymer]

Who is Matt? I know the others, just not him.

[@arkman117]

@@TheCatgirlGaymer Matt easton or scholagladiatoria

[@Beisush]

how you handle these types of videos and how rational and down to earth you are is why I've watched every single video of yours for years now, can't say I've done that with a lot of youtubers. keep on being you Skall, you rock.

[@Skallagrim]

Thanks. :)

[@galhalevy4925]

THE HOLY TRINITY IS BACK!!!!

[@sageemerald7685]

"You can debate the Saga's endlessly" Kveldulf absolutely threw that man overboard, you were on oposite sides of the boat facing different directions, there's no way you had a clear line of sight at that exact moment. Plus, Hallvard is a flat stone and was always shrimpy, a strong gust of wind could have yeeted him off that boat.

[@danny_decheeto8300]

Matpat: makes mistakes Everyone: *you have alerted the horde*

[@russleman9819]

Вы напугали деда.

[@oggolbat7932]

it's more like NOW ALL OF CHINA KNOWS YOU ARE HERE

[@BeetleBuns]

because he ALWAYS makes mistakes, and presents what he says as facts.

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

I wouldn’t even call those mistakes, half the video he’s saying utter bullshit. Mistakes are fine, doing jack shit in terms of research isn’t.

[@TheLithp]

Yeah, I'm not sympathetic. He usually just makes shit up.

[@maximaldinotrap]

@Skallagrim, so in a nutshell: If you can find a shield use the shield. If you can't find a shield get a second weapon. If you can't get a second weapon then you better know how to grapple son. Is that correct?

[@TresTrefusis]

Never forget the ultimate offhand weapon you always have with you. If you don't have a shield or a second weapon you always have your pommel! :D

[@Lord_Unicorn]

@@TresTrefusis yes sir i will never forget about the pommel

[@tomasxfranco]

And if you can run away, that's a good idea as well.

[@danktoasties8488]

@@tomasxfranco I prefer to call it tactical disengaging

[@J0hnHenrySNEEDen]

@@danktoasties8488 what about reverse victory charge?

[@ravynbunny7193]

Would love to see an actual arena fight between all of the game theorists and just skall

[@mr.meowgi9876]

Absolute slaughter

[@geronimolanfranchi4050]

I dont care if its Skall or whoever, numbers are still numbers, would get absolutely destroyed

[@larstallinger6795]

@@geronimolanfranchi4050 And to top it of I know at least a few people are followers of both channels meaning they at least have some degree of actual knowledge. As I pointed out in another slightly ruder reply to someone else, MatPat is a jack of all trades. He has "decent" knowledge in many areas but he is not a master of anything. He isn't dumb, a lot of the things he says are actually valid but every video he makes a mistake or two. Thats how it goes when you try to run 3 channels at the same time pumping out content. Skall has experience and all but I don't think it would it would take that many people to bring down Skall to be honest. Not trying to be rude to him but as you say numbers are numbers. Just take 3 decent people and it would be hard for Skall to defend himself. Games and reality are different. You can't see and dodge 3 attacks at the same time when 2 of them are happening behind you.

[@subhadeep129]

@@larstallinger6795 not related to the comment. But in an earlier video skall ( armed with a polearm) handled two of his colleagues with swords just fine. Granted, it was light sparring. So the weapon of choice also matters. But ,yes, there is a limit to the number of opponents one man can face at a time.

[@morrigankasa570]

@@larstallinger6795 I am subscribed to all 3 of Matpats channels also to Skallagrim and Shad's channel. I like all of them though prefer MatPat and Shad more then Skallagrim generally. But all make great content.

[@Mystakaphoros]

ooh, I like that you highlighted the use of off-hand sticks in a lot of African martial arts-- would love more attention paid to African fighting styles in the future!

[@junichiroyamashita]

@Admire Kashiri or also Da'mon Stith

[@junichiroyamashita]

@Admire Kashiri i didn't know he was the president.

[@chabri2000]

mattpatt: lets talk about dual weilding shad, metratron, skallagrim: AWAKEN MY MASTERS (insert jojo pilarmen's theme)

[@pegzounet]

Given how fabulously fit shad is getting, that would work.

[@Gojiro7]

its hard to give matpat a break when he sounds so damn smug in his videos

[@theolddeus9672]

I genuinely do dislike matpats videos. Havent liked him since I was 12.

[@perteraboofolympus150]

also since its not just HEMA that mat pat gets wrong many fan communities have come out against many of his vids for spreading bad info. normally I'd be whatever about the whole thing like skall but considering that mat pat obviously puts a lot of effort into creating the video to make it entertaining he could atleast consult or dedicate a little bit more time to research believe me you can still make hella entertaining theories based on actual info some of shoddycasts vids have had decent research and maths behind how crazy things are in games (check out his vid on why the halos are so terrifying) granted many of shoddy's vids are out of date now with new lore coming out into how things work but still accurate for the time.

[@helikos1]

Agreed. With anyone sounding so matter of factly stating incorrect things about topic they know very little about.

[@Efreeti]

Agreed, I have thought the same thing for all of MatPat's videos, and in fact the same goes for all of the content on the Game Theorists channel, except for the old GameExchange videos by GaijinGoomba. The matter-of-fact tone of voice is at least 50% of why I don't like or see value in any of that content.

[@LucaxCorp]

Absolutely. It’s listening to someone say something you know is wrong with a “Well this is factual” tone.

[@leafbladie]

Glad you were actually talking positively about some of MatPat's points and the issues with the community going so hard at it. Misinformation should be debunked, but it's not like the video is riddled with it. And there are things worth getting out of it.

[@melanoc3tusii205]

Well... It is. But that's no reason to go for low blows.

[@Chraan]

I assume people are still furious about the For Honor video and the fact that Matpat refused to acknowledge that he was wrong. It was the time when I realized what a douche he was too (I stopped watching his videos and honestly didn't know he still exists). But seeing this video his research improved a lot it seems.

[@leafbladie]

@@Chraan he references it as one of the videos where he was most wrong about in his other videos. Like, what else do you want?

[@TresTrefusis]

Having watched Metatron, Shad's and now Skalligrims, all of them gave credit where it was due. Professional all around from what I saw. Comments are probably another story but it's youtube, honestly what more do you expect? lol

[@Chraan]

@@leafbladie Since when does he do it? We were waiting for months. He even uploaded an apology but decided to take it down. As I said, I stopped interest in him after that so I don't know how he matured later.

[@bry756]

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?!"

[@zvonimirtomac7896]

Game Theory: (makes a video explaining weapons and armor) Shad, Skall and Metratron: How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?!

[@legasius9358]

Alternate video title: Real viking reacts to dualwielding

[@SunnyWifAChanceOfRae]

Im a fan of game theory & yours, and I'm really glad you talked about this. It's really great that you are constructively breaking down the video & teach us things that Game Theory might have missed. Super happy to learn more 😊

[@swedichboy1000]

0:30 Really glad to hear your take on that. Although its nice to have channels/People who can correct you, it could come off as condescending (Depending on how the information is being phrased). Thumbs up for effort, man.

[@dustinakadustin]

I think it frustrates me that Game Theory did it before and then went and did it a second time again not seeking any help. Would make for an interesting colab for example 🤷

[@Tokmurok]

Because he's a fucking moron.

[@dustinakadustin]

@@Tokmurok well yeah

[@archbishopofthecrusades9579]

They even offered to do it for free with no credit, mat just doesn’t seem to care,

[@revariox189]

Which really makes me wonder, does MatPat actually cares about at he talks about or is it more a question of views and money in the end for him? I think it is clear that his channel is pretend edutainment and is clear entertainment with falsities to make a point come across. He simply makes everyone in the room more stupid by spewing unresearched information. Major issue to flat out ignore help. Why? Ego? or he might have simply never even took care of looking into the first responses last time he did a mistake. One can imagine the same goes for any subject he touches. Is that what we would call a fraud?

[@gohantanaka]

He just wants views. He’s not after accuracy. He doesn’t get paid for accuracy. He gets paid for clicks and merch.

[@GhostofNr9]

I admire the point of humility you debate out of. Instead of focusing on what was done wrong exclusively, you seem to be interested where misconceptions stem from and if there could be a valid point within a misleading argument, while always being aware of the limitations of expertise even an experienced and educated person is confronted with... Respect for that.

[@malahamavet]

1:44 EXACTLY!!! I was like wtf? is this a glitch in the matrix?

[@Dexiteo]

I found it weirder that people are defending dual wielding shields. At that point you are nitpicking.

[@malahamavet]

@@Dexiteo maybe they watched a lot of samurai jack haha 😁

[@Alex_Fahey]

@@Dexiteo I don't think anyone was defending dual wielding shields. Every single video from the HEMA community I've seen so far (I think we are up to 4 or 5 now?) has said in some form or another "Two shields is a stupid idea, but probably better than two bare hands." whereas Matt in his original video made it sound like picking up that second shield turned you into a living pool noodle - entirely incapable of even bruising your opponent.

[@joshelliott1826]

Watched Shad's, Megatron's, and now your video, and all three of you guys were totally respectful and helpful about pointing out what was wrong. Not to mention humble and pointing out that you're all human and make mistakes

[@Noeyk200]

I stopped watching Game Theory years ago because most of their “theories” are either based on a misunderstanding of science/history or just straight up fan fiction written about a game’s lore with little to no evidence supporting the “theory”.

[@potatokilr7789]

the theories are pretty funny sometimes because of how ridiculous they get

[@toprak3479]

Yeah... When a theory has more holes in it than supporting evidence, that's fiction. "It's just a theory." isn't an acceptable defense either.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

I notice after a few video I didn't even sub you got to check on what KZbinr do or you end up giving sub, like, or comments to people who are misinforming people because youtube is going to bring them up higher in recommendation spreading misinformation even more that something we should learn never instantly sub or like their vids check them out first I want people to go to Skall and shad with info on middle age weapon or Darchinifel on wwii ship or sub brief on submarine not game theory on people who actual know than some guy who got curious because even i can do that also theory is in the name of his channel that should have been hint that he not going yo get stuff right

[@MODElAIRPLANE100]

@@toprak3479 not a single one of his theories is a theory, they are all hypotheses

[@Sassy_Witch]

that and the fact that Matt turned into a smug baby. Peopel weren't allowed anymore to disagree with him otherwise he would do a misfit about it. Plus the really suspicious death of one of his editor and how he seemengly didnt react genuin about it. But that's just a theory

[@r.matthews594]

I know this is a response to a specific video about a specific game, but I would love to see more like. Where we get deep into the history of use, evidence of use, and practical considerations of weapons. Excellent video.

[@wulfherecyning1282]

Don't forget that other function of an unarmed hand; you can punch. Useless against an armoured opponent, but punching someone in the nose is going to cause a pretty good opening for your onhand sword.

[@dariuszblack13]

You forget about grabing shield edge or throwing sand in face of enemy with free hand.

[@erickchristensen746]

I would love to see a video about Morning Stars, whenever anyone talks about maces they either never or only off-hand mention the type of mace and would love to learn more about it.

[@MercenaryJames]

I had a feeling Skall would be more chill and easy going on the whole "judge him for his transgressions!" He's right though, as fun as it is to go nuts on the points of the video it's best to keep in mind that not everything is "matter of fact" in regards to historical fact or fiction. Though I won't lie, it was amusing getting some For Honor flashbacks from Game Theory's video tribunal.

[@kosmas173]

Finally, the holy trinity of historical debunks is complete!

[@thewayofthesword4136]

I really appreciate how humble and cool-headed you remain. I was disappointed on mutliple occasions by other HEMA/Swordsmanship youtubers (that I won't name) spreading misinformation regarding Kendo and Kenjutsu. It's good to have people such as you out there. Cheers.

[@vexn3699]

I love how educational this videos get. I really learn many things with this format

[@aapelikahkonen]

Given that our sixth graders get more stuff right than Game theory (when it comes to history and weapons), the channel deserves all the flak they get.

[@johnree6106]

Most of his stuff is just an opinion which is why it's a theory not a fact.

[@johnree6106]

@igor šajinović I really don't know a better way to say it. As he takes a bunch of loosely related things strings them together to form a opinion on what is going on, sort of like conspiracy theories, for example one of his channels I just watched today basically he tries to say froot loops and apple jacks are the same cereal. His theory is that they are the same cereal, but in reality probably everyone else will say it is not. Making his statement just an opinion. So my word choice may be wrong but I honestly don't know what else to call it.

[@Sassy_Witch]

@@johnree6106 okay that makes a lot more sense put like that

[@trequor]

No, when it comes to pretty much everything. You should look up the term "Gellman's Amnesia". It's something that most of us suffer from.

[@luisdaniel9542]

@@johnree6106 a theory is as close as fact as it gets, if anything he is doing hypothesis

[@Dang3rMouSe]

Really good video, lots of great points made here & I really appreciate that there are ppl who have such a deep interest in historical combat weaponry & techniques. One aspect I've noticed many don't have a complete grasp on though is the mindset & the chaos during an engagement. It's more intense than anything else you can ever experience & cannot be replicated. It's a cauldron of terror, ecstasy, rage, focus & much more, all at levels many will never experience (and I pray they never do) swirling around chaoticly. It's far better than your 1st nut & way more terrifying than when you 1st realized you will die one day & my words don't do it justice. The reason I bring this up is just to clarify something regarding the dual welding. If our line has broken & I have a serious shield malfunction or lose my shield during close quarters hand to hand engagements, as soon as I see a probably small & likely rare opportunity I am grabbing ANYTHING laying near me w/out any hesitation. Yes a shield is ideal & top goal but choice isn't available so I'd take a downed ally's or enemy's weapon automatically, & "automatically" is probably the best word to explain it. Hell I'd pick up a helmet or a branch till a better opportunity showed itself. It'd be an automatic action, ecspecially when you've trained & had combat experience using a shield in your off hand. You would feel very "naked" & vulnerable without something to replace it unless trained otherwise & feeling vulnerable during an engagement... it makes me sick just thinking about it. An exception to this could be if your squad was still maintained it's line. Then you will feel safe enough & have the time to step back & grab an available shield. If there is none, an axe or sword will have to do. This makes me very curious on the durability of Viking shields now, lol. But great video, you certainly have a wealth of knowledge you've gathered & I enjoyed it. Keep it up!

[@bigguy7353]

Yeah, Theory's ideas came kind of close philosophically, but they just didn't think of the practicality. You and Shad cleared it up.

[@robertstratford9598]

Have not seen one of your videos in about a year glad to see your still hanging in there and doing your own thing gret video .

[@justinbell7309]

While Skall can be a pretentious ball of sarcasm sometimes, I appreciate how levelheaded he approached this one, especially compared to the others. While everyone provided the same "not attacking MatPat" disclaimer, Skall feels like he actually approached that in the video better than others did.

[@amfcapone]

Great video. Very fair assessment of the original video. Love to see this Hema community standing together and peer reviewing each other. Keep it up.

[@lordspider3958]

Skall: tone down the reverence for history KZbinrs. Subscribers: you'll be a God, and you're going to like it!

[@GrizzlyHansen]

Probably the most respectful video made so far. Other guys who, made videos were like I am not attacking you I'm just correcting you then spends the how video talking down to the video mockingly. That's one reason why Skallagrim is the best, he's entertaining and respectful.

[@marcinmaj848]

Yes. I like how modest Skall is. But I also watch Metatron for a long time. He is simply allergic to talking nonsense about these things. Gaming is the next Hollywood. Now Hollywood made my coutry think guns are useful only for robbery. I cant reasonably get the papers to get a firearm because they are such idiots. Now, this is not about 100% wide OPEN possibility of getting gun and there you go. We ve ben lucky like 9 years back we got a good gun law. When govern. changed the first thing they startd was the gun law. The community stood up against - it's the only reaso it still works. But other shitty laws been pushed thru. None of these idiots actually cares. because the Hollywood perspective.

[@Eleven217]

"HOW MANY TIMES DO WE GOT TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON YOUNG MAN?!"

[@MadNumForce]

So far the best critique of that video. Simply because it's the most benevolent. Good point also about always taking sources (like sagas) with a pinch of salt. Hell, if you were to trust verbatim all texts written 200-400 years post events, you'd believe that it's historical to turn water into wine, to walk on lakes, and to bring the dead back to life.

[@DH-xw6jp]

Game theory: says something. Medieval KZbinrs: axetually!

[@epauletshark3793]

Great pun.

[@DH-xw6jp]

@@epauletshark3793 thank you.

[@conservat1vepatr1ot]

These educational vids concerning Vikings are my favorite :). Thank you Skallagrim.

[@cainrahl]

"Empty offhand is useless"... the entire martial arts community wants a few words with him not just the authors🤣

[@keflas3842]

I like how you gave your opinion based on what you know without insulting someone else wish we had more of this in today’s world

[@kriegscommissarmccraw4205]

"He's right, but not for the reasons he think he is" No I don't know where that came from

[@ХристоМартунковграфЛозенски]

Your mention of some of the graphic combat scenes reminds me of the French "Song of Roland" (_Chanson de Roland_), where you can read about devout Christian Frenchmen fighting the "treacherous heathens" and guts spilling, eyeballs out of their eyesockets, people ripped apart, entirely pierced by lances and all of this despite the combattants explicitly described as wearing mail halberks and helmets (who also get smashed by sword blows that sometimes also smash the skull and brains underneath). The main hero, Roland, blows a war horn to call for help Charles the Great's main army which causes a massive internal bleeding and he dies from that (not without slaughtering a good deal of heathens despite his injury). So yes, they had some pretty OP fictional stuff back then, but that still doesn't make it true or realistic.

[@huntclanhunt9697]

The trinity of medieval youtubers hath all responded. Oh, glorious day!

[@brianfuller7691]

I was anticipating your response and you are absolutely spot on. This went far beyond a simple response video into history .

[@soundgfx7166]

I like matpatt the most when he does math and did interesting theories. But now his videos are... How do I put this right, kind of ridiculous and mostly baits

[@killerbug05]

Been feeling this way for awhile, it seems the vids are stretched out longer than needed. And alot of them are just straight up ridiculous and make outrageous leaps in logic to get to the end.

[@gxtmfa]

Likewise. I liked it more when it was “let’s go into some crazy, plausible, video game conspiracy” or “let’s add math to this.” I also enjoyed that he counterbalanced the negative influence of people like Jake Paul who also applies to the same demographic. As a teacher, hearing a student enjoyed MattPatt was always a relief.

[@lorehammer40k4]

When you mentioned ritual 1 on 1 combat having spare shields as they would often break, my mind immediately jumped to "The 13th Warrior" and now I REALLY want you to make a video reacting to it in some way, such an incredible movie that needs to be talked about much more often.

[@expecting747]

I was just watching Shads video great timing.

[@BozheTsaryaKhrani]

Same

[@samuelheol8870]

One advantage of picking up another axe: you can throw one and follow up with the other. Nice Response! Love to watch your content as always!

[@pskarts20]

You would think Assassin's Creed would do a Japanese/ ninja setting by now.

[@katokianimation]

Assasins are simmilar like the pop cult ninja. It would fit well

[@sebastianriz4703]

CEO of Ubisoft: "Eehhhh thats too cliche" *Does Vikings. Pirates, Britans, Egyptians, ect.

[@histkontext]

and the character would run with lightning orbs yellin hamehameham and shooting arrows with dragon-ghosts :D with historical accuracy that would be about right for ubisoft

[@theorganizer1273]

The main theme of Assassin’s Creed is about maintaining or restoring the free will of humanity by rebelling against an oppressive force that wants to control their way of life and thinking...

[@knightmarespawn2690]

We already have that, it's called Ghost of Tsushima.

[@Ashfold_Eberesche]

The fact you're so humble is one of your greatest attributes, imo.

[@undertakernumberone1]

"I can tell you for sure it never happened. I was there!" me: *can't stop laughing* 17th century *Shows 15th century Italian Renaissance" :P Ezio was from 14something to 15something, not the 1600s.

[@vanivanov9571]

Good job, Skall. Other youtubers and commenters seem to just be jumping on the video like vultures, trying to make a controversy. You're being more reasonable, and pointing out many of these points are fair enough, even if there were errors. That sort of toxic, cancel-culture like behaviour is what has been keeping HEMA niche, and I'm really glad you spoke for reason.

[@johnisaiah985]

ODIN HAS FINALLY ANSWERED MY PRAYERS!! YEEEEAAAAAAAAAA

[@unstoppabletigertalukan6710]

0:08 man i'm glad you said it i'm literally happy anybody said it

[@corwin32]

Does anyone else remember when Assassin’s Creed was about tiptoeing up behind someone, stabbing them, and then disappearing again?

[@Thedudeofdudes810]

or press parry to win

[@sebastianriz4703]

@@cactusmalone Its kinda like Ubisoft makes the same game year after year after year of something 🤔

[@LeonM4c]

I love Skall just casually explaining while wearing the helmet!

[@codemonster8443]

I imagine if a isolated village of Vikings still existed somehow, they would cringe at what ever we modern humans make of them...

[@histkontext]

yes! they would grab the hornet helmets, clothes of fur, very detailed warpaint that is completely water proof, and show us what they are like :D

[@dead.ahead_private.rodriguez]

If they tried to raid settlements, they'll end up like the Empire in GATE.

[@maniacmatt7340]

Much respect for being humble. I love your content and learning from you. Keep it up!

[@carn109]

The triforce of medieval realism has assembled!

[@mortenjacobsen5673]

Your defenition of realism makes me question realety

[@carn109]

@@mortenjacobsen5673 I agree that my defenition of relism makes me question realety

[@WoodsRunner]

Honestly really good video skall. I like that of anyone talking about this, even Shad, sarcasm aside you’ve given Mat the most benefit of the doubt and tried to defend him from undue hate, as well as denouncing the “oh mighty skall meta and Shad please destroy this man”

[@MechaShadowV2]

Maybe game theory should do actual research. It's not even just historical games they get wrong.

[@strangerakari2836]

Now all we need is an hour and a half of Lindy about some very small specific thing from GT video that Shad, Metatron and Skall didn't noticed.

[@normalhuman1825]

Skall: “We’re not the Messiah” Us: “They are! They are the Messiah!”

[@NBDYSPCL]

The Sagas are basically the Tarantino and Guy Richie films of their day. Also, they could easily have just replaced the wrist knife with just a concealed seax or something.

[@aliekexie8467]

''We can make mistakes'' pretty much MatPat's whole career.

[@pegzounet]

7:10 wow, a practical use for poetry beyond its own beauty, and i had never even realised. Thanks skall, made my day.

[@adambielen8996]

MatPat: Dual weilding is useless. Hema community: Well actually... MatPat: You've activated my trap card!

[@chrishouston3566]

I love that, while in the midst of replicating accents, skall actually loses his accent altogether for a brief moment lol

[@kriegkorpsman402]

"Oh this one, this one is gonna be fun..."

[@carloshenriquezimmer7543]

7:33 "THE NEWS DO IT TOO" Subtle and sudden, I mean OUCH! bro. That is a BURN if I have ever seen one.

[@jeremyhulbert3343]

They should have given the vikings phase plasma rifles with 100 watt range.

[@markwackerman5593]

Well, obviously. They have to keep it accurate

[@jesusgomezcope1744]

I love your humility. You've said previously you are not a historian, even though you know a shit ton of information about the stuff you upload to your channel. I believe that right there is the most convincing approach to formative entertaintment when it comes to historical matters or litterature (I'm an ancient Greek and Rome guy). I relate way more to a person who admits we don't know everything about those times and even some of the things we know can be put under question because the sources of information must be interpreted properly.