Skiing drills, Javelin Turns

[@jusztinnemeti6380]

I need a good ski instructor.

[@EvilSt0ner]

From experience teaching people that have learned how to snowplow is a nightmare. I am a decent skier and refuse to use the snowplow. This however looks interesting.

[@shooter7a]

No No No. Did I make it clear enough? NO. This just screws up your body position...and it is actually HARDER than carving! Modern technique is to stay relatively square to the direction of travel as you carve. Why people teach this style of skidding one ski turn is baffling. Javeling turns can be great...if you do them the right way. Learn how to use the hips, tip the skis, and CARVE. Watch Ramon Zenhäusern doing outside ski only turns here to see how to do it the right way. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYeYdXyId8itfNU This guys is 6'-8" tall....and has won World Cup SL races. Also watch Mikaela Shiffrin to understand how pelvic bone tilt (hip hike) amplifies your tipping onto an edge. kzbin.info/www/bejne/enjCdZptlLN8qpI

[@strathound]

Depends what the task is and what is the desired outcome. Yes, alignment helps when the forces are max, like in racing. You wouldn't want to squat your max weight without alignment. However, what if you're trying to make dynamic short turns? What if you're on a double black diamond ripping through the bumps? You're not trying to exert maximum force, you are trying to rotate and edge the skis as quickly as possible. Different technique in that situation.

[@alant779]

Oh nice, I gotta give the hops and stops a try

[@JB91710]

If you want to ruin your skiing, go right ahead.

[@alant779]

Hah, it's already ruined and I'm not looking for the perfect way to do according to the ski design of the day. If it leads me into a trap, so be it. I'll find a way to dig myself back out. Last thing I'll do is give up an opportunity to explore just to be right.

[@JB91710]

@@alant779 How old are you, 10?

[@alant779]

@@JB91710 Haha, common trap among the previous generation. Thinking that growing up means repressing their inner child when it's the equivalent to chopping off your balls to survive. Good luck breaking out of this one.

[@alant779]

​@@JB91710 Is your way of skiing so fragile that it will be ruined by trying something new?

[@dj_617]

Do not feed the troll jb91710

[@shooter7a]

LOL. He is actually right on this topic. Skidded Javelin turns like this are worthless. Carve Javelin turns with hip leveling...that is a different story.

[@dj_617]

@@shooter7aworthless?? Not at all.

[@JB91710]

Javelin turns are the most ridiculous gimmick since the Snowplow Turn.

[@jody1357]

Can you explain why?

[@JB91710]

@jody1357 The body positions that the javelin turns create, do it by putting the skier very off balance and actually in danger of tripping and falling, so how does a student learn from that? Snowplow turns are all about pushing and twisting the ski awsy from you when you should be getting used to balancing on them. Ski instructors are very simple-minded people. Two Dimensional Reactors that have no idea what skiing is.

[@jody1357]

@@JB91710 It’s a drill, the entire point is to challenge your balance.

[@JB91710]

@@jody1357 No, the point in teaching is to teach only what a student needs, not things they don't, just because the instructor doesn't know what else to do.

[@simhanssens7331]

@@JB91710 As an instructor I somewhat agree but disagree to your extremist view. I do feel like the snowplough is a needed step to start skiing since it gives you immediate balance, ability to start turning without falling and ease of use. At the cost of exhaustion in your quadriceps. And it will be used on small runs and skilifts where you can't turn. But I do recommend getting to parallel as quickly as possible (When you are able to make good turns with plough and start getting some more speed, immediately try getting the student off snowplough) I disagree on your notion that javelin turns are useless. Snowplough is a skiing style, Javelin turns are an exercise. In this case the exercise is aimed at already intermediate to expert skiers that have no problem skiing on one leg and are already at the carving stage. This exercise will improve stability and your feel of balance on one leg which is crucial to skiing. At the risk of falling yes, but isn't skiing a balancing sport... How are you going to get better at balancing without challenging yourself. Albeit that I personally would only use javeling turns whilst carving and not in the parallel form as is shown here. Here is it purely a balancing exercise but won't help THAT much with other things. Maybe for the short turns in could help with hip mobility and have your torso point towards the slope. in carving this exercise helps with angulation, outside foot pressure, edge angle. Confidence to stay on the outside foot. I could go on. Have a good day! Your two dimensional reactor

[@fatpatMC]

man you are really bad at these but yes they are a fantastic drill FACE DOWN THE HILL GODDAMIT

[@strathound]

Wow. Unnecessary.

[@fatpatMC]

@@strathound i agree uploading tutorial videos of shitty technical skiing IS unnecessary

[@strathound]

@@fatpatMC - you can do better? I'm going to be uploading content like this to my channel. I look forward to folks like you, the internet experts, showing up and claiming that they know better. What makes you an expert? Were you on the US Ski Team?

[@fatpatMC]

@@strathound i live in denver colorado, you can feature me in your video as how technically correct skiing is supposed to look. please let me know.

[@strathound]

@@fatpatMC - got any examples of this technically correct skiing?