WHATS THE DIFFERENCE? - TREK Dual Sport, FX and Verve 2023

[@KcityMikeThomas]

Good review. I had an FX and now I ride a Verve 3. I loved the speed of the FX and yet I prefer the comfort of the Verve. I ride about 25 miles per week.

[@gustavopaulette3496]

Do you lose a lot of speed? I plan on biking once a week 20 to 50 mile ride. I have a 2023 FX Sport 5 but debating if I should just save money and get the Verve 3? I have a bad lower back. Thank you kind sir

[@Oakland510]

@@gustavopaulette3496 hello gustavo, how has the FX2023 been for you so far?

[@preppen78]

yea, I just tried the FX3 and it didn't feel very comfortable. Quite hunched seating position and a stiff ride. I'll try the Verve, seems like a better option for me too. Maybe it depends on what size you are...

[@JanBanJoovi-ol1qv]

@@gustavopaulette3496 FX is for those who wants a more sporty ride, there’s a reason it’s called fitness bike (it’s definitely not intended to be for comfort ride). If your rides are mostly around towns, leisurely and occasionally wants fitness ride, then Verve is the best option.

[@JanBanJoovi-ol1qv]

@@preppen78secret is try to size down one level. If the suggested size for you is medium, size down to small, it’s rideable but the main advantage is you will have a chance to be at upright since the reach is shorter. But offcourse it’s not gonna be as comfortable as the verve still, it’s still a fitness bike and intended for speed/sports

[@evanatkinson8804]

Great review. I spent the past three days trying to find the difference between these models and your review lays it all out. Thank you.

[@lululirac]

Could you do a comparison between dual sport gen 5 and the FX? now that the DS doesn't have the suspension it is harder to decide!!

[@cuz129]

Great video, we pick up our Verve 2's tomorrow. We are in our late 60's but still crazy fit. But at our age no dicey trails!

[@philo5096]

Love my DS,Trek bikes are a blast and they are so lite.

[@sauravbasu8805]

So to make the bicycle ultra comfortable, one has to take the seat suspension from the verve and attach it to the dual-sport, as well as attach a stem-raiser to it. 😅

[@rk28984]

Good video! I just ordered a FX2 because my trekking bikes frame broke and I need a ride for the city and road. I was always riding my trekking bike at the top gears and wanted something faster, but I wasn't convinced by a gravel/road bike (because I've never used road bike handlebars). I already got a hardtail for mountains so the FX was the most logical choice for me. I also have a friendly Trek dealer just a few hundred meters away from me and he did always a good job fixing my old trekking bike.

[@DavidWildgoose]

I have a 2021 fx3 and I absolutely love it. I am very impressed with Trek bikes.

[@eric-2631]

Super informative video. Shout out to Tiago for explaining in simple terms. As someone who’s looking for their first bike, this really helped me.

[@RadarRider226]

Just got an FX3…love love love!

[@Oakland510]

Nice ! Did you get the 2023 version ? How has it been so far ?

[@RadarRider226]

@@Oakland510 yes, got the 2023, I’ve put about 100 plus miles on it so far and I’m really enjoying the 1x10 gearing, it’s great for my riding style. I have three bikes now, one being an Orbea Avant H30 with a 105 group set that I paid $800 more for, and I’m leaning towards the FX as my favorite. It’s such a capable “do it all” bike. 😎👍🏻

[@Oakland510]

@@RadarRider226 cheers bud glad to hear it. Hearing a lot of positive comments about this bike, it’s time to join the fun

[@2mvgmike]

Better video than the trek KZbin channel. I gave away my DS and looking between verve and fx. Thanks for this video.

[@kevvymetal666]

thanks for not passing your germs to the viewers 🙏

[@MonkeyDolphin]

Very, very helpful. Thank you!

[@MLife1972]

Awesome, awesome review. Entertaining but still a lot of information. Each manufacture has very similar bikes and it's really hard to know what the difference is. Thanks.

[@lmlz3]

Just realized that these are Gen 4 (2022) models. Should do a 2023 comparison of these 3... the degree of separation between them has definitely been pushed to a wider margin.

[@valeriejauffrit1921]

THANK YOU!! I'm looking for my first bike, but I was confused with the different ranges, you help me a lot! - - > Go FX 😅

[@AStanton1966]

I'm a Boomer and I just picked up a Verve 3 low-step. It is one of the most comfortable bikes I ever sat on. If I ever have to abort and avoid a fall, it's easy to put your feet down without that bar in front of you.

[@kishorek7462]

I've been researching and your review was super concise and exactly what I wanted. Thank you!

[@poker_18rs92]

I’m commuting on a Marlin 6 gen 2. It’s very exhausting to go 10 miles on pavement. Should I get the FX3? I really like the 1x drivetrain.

[@Jerusalemit]

Just change the tires to fast rolling ones like Schwalbe Marathon and it'll run much easier on the road.😊

[@goodtimes9501]

Just purchased the FX thank you

[@universalsoldier2293]

Awesome review. I went bike shopping over the weekend and originally wanted to get the FX1 but the shop recommended the Verve series. I was a road (Bianchi) and trail rider (still rocking the Trek 7500FX) for years but have nerve damage from a few bike accidents/broken wrists. I think the Verve might be the way to go for me, once I get over the ego bruise of owning a "comfort" bike. Those tires on the Verve...oof. Ego damage.

[@-aj8865]

Whats FX Size and how tall are you??

[@Denspion]

Great reviews, so... I'm pretty out of shape, heavy set and in my mid 40s now. I want to get back out and get more active, lose some weight, get in shape. For me just really starting out, but also don't want to be limited to just pavement as a nice gravel or dirt trail would be nice, of these 3 based on my situation, which would be recommended to start with?

[@universalsoldier2293]

Same as you. I thought the FX would be my best option but I was knees in the belly the entire test ride. I tested the Verve and didn't have that problem.

[@katrinaatomy5708]

Thank you for this review, very helpful! After trying a few bikes I got Trek FX from Skiis & Bikes 😊

[@Krimxon_]

Thank you I was trying to decide between then your a lifesaver brother

[@ivani8511]

Great explanation. Thanks

[@underdahood9017]

Great information and very helpful video!

[@leedchristensen]

The dual sport is the Jack of all trades.

[@george-danfulger]

i like much your description. maybe you will do giant cypress 3 disc and giant escape 3 disc !!!

[@alex-zh5yv]

What if I want something that is as upright / comfortable as the Verve, but can still handle some singletrack trails? I tried out an x-caliber but the geometry was way to aggressive, couldn't get comfortable on it so I returned it.

[@Skiisandbiikes]

The Trek Marlin would be a great option. Always a crowd pleaser.

[@sbhjackson5931]

I had a Marlin 6 and added a 3 or 4 (Can't remember which one) inch riser for more upright position and it was the best of both worlds.

[@miguelkieling532]

Can you fit a 42mm wide tire on a FX3?

[@tjj5337]

I love the FX Sport 4 Carbon.

[@callabbe1007]

Excellent review. I’m new to the biking world

[@SalilBahlthemanwithauke]

I bought an mtb, the marlin 7 thinking i would do a lot of trails but i hardly get to do that and i mostly go for road rides. Your video will be great help for anybody starting. One question i ride 50-60kms on my mtb, do u think if i switch to hybrid il be able to cross 100? (Thats what shop keepers mentioned so confirming) i want to start longer rides and im still confused what to do for that

[@Jerusalemit]

Or to save money you can replace the tires with some fast rolling ones, like Schwalbe Marathon Plus, and you'll be able to ride with much less effort, and faster on the road. That is what I did on my old mtb, a Gerry Fisher Marlin 3×9, 26" wheels. That way I turned it into a dual bike for really small money 💰

[@john316godlovesyou5]

Great video! Thanks!

[@StanicEnemy]

Very well explained.

[@bambam6231973]

What is the Speed like on the Verve

[@10R10]

I plan to purchase the FX Sport 4 model. My only uncertainty is the color - Trek White or Lithium Grey? The stores near me do not have any in stock. Do you have a recommendation based on your experience?

[@Skiisandbiikes]

Go Grey!

[@beri232]

I’ve read that the front fork suspension on that Dual Sport is not rebuildable/serviceable. Is that true? That should be brought to everyone’s attention before purchase. It’s the main reason I am looking at the Specialized Sirrus X 4.0 instead.

[@Skiisandbiikes]

Serviceability will depend on what you need done and the fork model spec'd. Usually with what the fork is doing on this style of bike (no major down hill/aggressive trails) the fork will last a lot longer without service than a mountain bike application.

[@davewickizer4506]

I just bought a used fx and it looks nothing like that. It has cantilever brakes and no fenders and the main body bar slopes all the way down like a girls bike. I know it's unisex but don't see one like it anywhere. As a 72 bike rider no car i use it to get to the store. I would like to find aftermarket fenders and a carrier for the back. Anyone know where in Indianapolis indiana where this is available let me know in the comments.

[@rc2257]

Friends, this guy is knowledgeable, he works at a bike shop, he went to the trouble of making this video, you should definitely consider his viewpoint. But I URGE you to get some different viewpoints before spending your hard-earned money. The FX actually IS quite comfortable. It is also lighter than the others, so it’s easier to bike up hills and it’s generally less sluggish compared to the Verve and Dual-sport. Front shocks like those on the Dual Sport are HEAVY. They ONLY make a difference if you’re riding on mountain bike trails. If you’re doing a LOT of mountain biking, get a dedicated mountain bike. If you want a general bike that’s okay for occasional mountain bike trails, the Dual Sport is terrific. But most of us looking in this segment won’t ride on serious mountain bike trails. The front shock LOOKS like it makes the bike more comfortable, but it doesn’t on pavement and dirt trails, it just adds weight and makes the bike more sluggish. The FX is great for dirt trails, pavement, commuting, fitness riding, biking with friends. If your friends have road bikes, you can keep up with an FX more so than with the Verve or Dual Sport. Like the video says, it’s a gateway into road riding. It’s also great for casual riding. The FX has a more comfortable & upright seating position than an actual road bike or a mountain bike. The Verve is even more upright, but IMO too upright. You’re riding a bike, not walking. But don’t take my word for it, I’m nobody, I don’t work at a bike shop, I don’t make videos. Judge for yourself. Go to a good bike shop with a decent selection and compare all three (plus, maybe, a road bike in the same price range). Maybe the Verve or Dual Sport are better for you, great! But the FX should be high on your list, friends.

[@jamesfahy9954]

Bravo.

[@BozoTheBear]

another vote for FX here. i rode an fx 2 in the UK for a couple of months while on a work trip. it was great for the commute, but i also did a few longer trips on weekend, including a few over 200km, and one of almost 300km (with lots of climbing).

[@brentcollins9727]

We put $220 Rockshox Judy’s on the front of my wife’s Dual Sport Electric and my FX Electric and the ride is MUCH more comfortable. The fork soaks up the giant bump at the end of our driveway, speed bumps, uneven sidewalks, etc.

[@konkretyn]

Strongly agree. I've been riding an old Apollo Excel mountain bike before I bought my FX 3 a few days ago, and I can honestly say it's noticeably smoother of a ride even w/o suspension. I did consider the DS 3, but as you said the suspension fork just adds weight and doesn't do much for city riding. I've gotten good at keeping my body flexible so I can absorb any bumps with my arms and legs.

[@beri232]

You nailed it brother! I ride in town and on simple gravel roads when we go camping. I tried all these bikes at my bike shops test circuit and ended up going with the Specialized Cirrus X 4.0. Good hardware, light weight, low resistance tires, single crank sprocket and the future shock. Fork suspension looks cool but as someone who had them before…. they are a pain in the ass on pavement and do very little. Pedalling becomes a bit hindering with them and with little payoff so I don’t recommend them at all for in town.

[@franco912]

An upright bike is more comfortable for overweight people if you have bit of belly the position would suit you better, geometry is an underestimated parameter a lot of bike sellers forget this point.

[@Denspion]

didn't even think of that, I'm a big heavy guy looking to lose weight, I do have a big gut, but as I lose weight I would still want something I can take off of the pavement, I do want to do some trails, either dirt or gravel. Decisions decisions.

[@YouKnoweMe1]

I wonder how dual sport will do with ebike converting kit bafang hd

[@chrisp9859]

The newer FX is more gravel bike with wider clearance for knobby tires and the new Dual Sport has no shock and up to 50mm wide (MTB size) tires on smaller 27inch rims. It's ironically more comfortable than a Verve. Verve is a bad deal at any level for what you get but you can sit bolt upright on it which is fun.

[@hussampal1299]

Thank you

[@noneed8468]

can you do a review on cube bikes please

[@scso]

That was helpful thank you

[@HKX_ORANGECHICKEN]

Which of these 3 is the best for my first bike?

[@jeffghant4760]

He said the FX.

[@marcwielhouwer8498]

I prefer dual sport 3 2022

[@Skiisandbiikes]

Definitely! The 2022's 2x9 groupset is awesome

[@jayyoung2586]

@@Skiisandbiikes 2022 DS 3 has a 1x10; DS 1 & DS 2 have a 2x

[@gustavopaulette3496]

@@Skiisandbiikes you’re truly a clueless clown 🤡

[@santiagogarcia3906]

2023 ? I dont see those bikes (models) in trek

[@Skiisandbiikes]

The FX 3 is new for 2023, while the Dual-Sport 3 and Verve 3 are carryovers from 2022.

[@rowlandtolliver9560]

Good video!

[@corythomas7944]

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[@ibrahimm4325]

شكرا

[@Matasky2010]

The FX is NOT the 'Jack-of-all-trades'- it has no front suspension which means it's a bit too stiff on even the lightest trails, you feel every little undulation and bump, makes for a pretty uncomfortable ride. Which is why I've decided to move to the Dual-Sport, trails make up a good portion of my riding.

[@dimforest]

It's absolutely a 'Jack-of-all-trades' in this context. You do not need suspension to withstand bumps or gravel. In fact, plenty of gravel bikes don't even include any suspension at all. The Dual-Sport is marketed as a 'Jack-of-all-trades' but in reality it can be limiting; it's slower than an FX on pavement and the suspension isn't substantial enough to be worthwhile on bigger trails. All 3 of these bikes in this space are -by design- 'Jack-of-all-trades' style bikes. Picking between them is just a matter of preference and where you'd like to min-max and squeeze that extra capability: trails, pavement, or comfort. Otherwise, you could literally take all 3 on all the above and have a very similar experience.

[@Matasky2010]

On the light trails I ride casually I find my FX3 is just too 'rigid' and unforgiving, which has me looking to the Dual Sport. Of course there's a compromise to be found with all these bikes. I have no problem sacrificing some road speed for a much nicer trail ride, I'm not racing anyone on the roads.

[@outlander2878]

They all seem pretty great. Superb breakdown!

[@Smclaugh08]

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[@EatLotsOfCurry]

I had a DS 3 and found that I liked more comfort and switched to a Verve 3

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[@bruceclark5627]

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[@tylerk2751]

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[@Matasky2010]

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[@beri232]

Maybe he’s scared. Lol

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[@andrewreaney]

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[@tjj5337]

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[@TomAZ1984]

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[@DQQMSDAY]

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[@10thmountainvet]

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[@richyp64]

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[@mikeb.3189]

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[@jairoalonso5191]

Yes, you could spend thousands of dollars on an eBike kzbin.infoUgkxUiL0GnyDjP32RJdd660sP8mZk4CRLTCJ and get something much higher quality. However, if you're looking for a basic model to try out eBiking this is a great choice. The assembly is easy as far as bikes go (took about an hour for me to do, I'm not an expert). All tools needed are included. I added the plastic mud guards you see and a more comfortable seat. The other reviews are correct that you're probably going to want a better seat (Giddy Up! Bike Seat is what I got - super comfortable). The battery easily handles a 2-4 hour ride if you add some of your own pedal power. I haven't even gotten it up to top speed yet - it is very fast. Components are not top of the line, but decent for the price and work just fine. It works great on dirt roads and singletrack and pavement although too heavy to do tricks or any serious technical mountain biking. I'm looking forward to using it a lot over the summer. Tons of fun!

[@Fontenotcjf]

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