Easiest Class To Play in Shadowlands 9.0 TIER LIST

[@skillcappedwowpvp]

Hey guys, we noticed plenty of comments about a handful of missing specs and people not agreeing with some of the rankings here. We intentionally left out the specs that do not perform well in PvP and also ranked the specs in this video based on how quickly players can jump onto any of them and play at glad level. Also keep in mind that just because a spec has more tools (mage), it doesn't automatically make them easy - in fact it's quite the opposite, with more tools generally making a class harder to play. Hope this clears up some of the confusion!

[@metropolis10]

Well said!

[@Mr789and10]

then make the title "easiest Class to play in Shadowlands PVP" I spent some time here waiting for my favorite specs and since I don't pvp this then doesn't apply to me and I wouldn't have clicked but otherwise helpful information I assume for other wow players more interested in pvp.

[@TheMeatBeater3000]

Just want to mention that the video title is not quite correct in my opinion (should be easiest TO hardest class to play or something) idk doesn’t really habe to get changed but i just wanted to mention it

[@smurfsmiff2950]

@@Mr789and10 this is a pvp youtube channel

[@TheCrimsonChin91]

For the idiots saying to change the video title: listen/watch the first 30 seconds of the video It explains everything.

[@Ackz89]

17:18 for a recap of the results

[@xsuchardx]

Merci.

[@cameronbrown9743]

You forgot port paladins in the easy healer category

[@domzaeWoW]

I mean if you're going to make an 18 minute video, you may as well make it 20 minutes and include every spec (Holy Priest, BM Hunter, Demo Lock, Outlaw Rogue, Fury Warrior). Aside from that, nice video with a good explanation that this is talking about the skill FLOOR of each spec!

[@zoozy5712]

They only included viable specs at high rating.

[@domzaeWoW]

@@zoozy5712 oohh because tuning and meta development have already happened and none of those specs have ever been viable before?

[@theangler1922]

@@zoozy5712 Yup definitely no videos of Fury Warrior just dominating the arena at all in Dalaran Gaming. Oh and definitely no Outlaw Rogues just wrecking people either. Does it take practice to be that stupid or did it just come natural to you?

[@DirtyCiv]

@@theangler1922 dalarangaming? the guy plays alot of classes, but he plays at like 2k max. these guys are easily 3k+.

[@theangler1922]

@@DirtyCiv He literally spectates 3K players fight you dense cabbage.

[@TheUnone]

"Easy" named tab. * Seeing some demon guy wsh-wsh-wsh-tsh someone * YEP

[@wired-up5677]

People who play demon hunters eat glue

[@mrebel1992]

Which add-on are you using to show enemy dots on top of their names? Thanksss

[@tiefenentspannttv6046]

flyPlateBuffs

[@johndoe1139]

Threat plates

[@Questioneverythingx]

Invis/ring a healer, blink poly the not kill target and combust the kill target. Repeat. I’m not sure if that’s hard, but I could be wrong.

[@zoomless1521]

when u see rogue and mage considered hard, and warrior, monk moderate is a KEKW. Yeah his opinion but someone with 1.2k shouldn't have opinions

[@Questioneverythingx]

@@zoomless1521 Who’s 1.2k?

[@zoomless1521]

@@Questioneverythingx Skill recap

[@metropolis10]

Can we get a "easiest comps to play in shadowlands" too please? Something with a bit of synergy as I assume fdk/a.rogue/holy.pally isn't a thing?

[@andmat3297]

nope rog is just bad with melee in 3s, there arent the easiest comps, only viable ones, depending on your rating

[@metropolis10]

@@andmat3297 well I did imply beginners! So consider the rating entry level / very low!

[@ben_ger1988]

@@andmat3297 try sub ret disc and see how bad it is :)

[@AtaTabesh]

Finally a list I can relate to. LOLOL

[@MurphyGreg]

Wow, a list to top all lists. Thanks guys. Love all your content:)

[@joshnorman2918]

I literally search this out every time I come back. I get to about level 40 on everything g and quit because too many buttons. Im old and have a day job. 😆

[@ToddCunningham]

Northfield? Dunloggin? WoW?

[@AtaTabesh]

@@ToddCunningham is this really you?

[@andrewpalka5810]

kinda bummed outlaw isn’t included, they definitely have a place with their ability to desync blind from trinket cd

[@miramalverick2767]

maybe yes, but i guess because is less used than assa and sub is foreshadowing the class entirely...i kinda can see why they didnt put it there

[@StuartHeading]

Was thinking the same! Outlaw is amazing fun in pvp (but that's BGs I guess). But rude to ignore us all together ;)

[@opggez391]

@@miramalverick2767 if they can put survival hunter they can put anything else...

[@omologo95]

@@opggez391 survival hunter is a good PvP spec man

[@jack--hunt]

Can you guys atleast say why you aren't including multiple specs ?

[@alexion3572]

He said "all the viable specs for shadowlands arena." he did not include unviable specs.

[@jack--hunt]

@@alexion3572 that is true but there haven't been any reasoning why they aren't viable.

[@HairCutsEmo]

@@jack--hunt demos main dmg is from multiple pets, bm is in cuz they use only one and still do a lot with autos. Holy is way too hard casty, they do decent in 2s but without haste corruption they'll be completely outclassed by every other healer. Outlaws main dmg is a stun. You have to unchained stun DR your kill target to deal optimal dps, that should speak for itself, if it doesn't, assa needs one stun and sub can triple dr instantly. Also tanks LULW. Did I miss any?

[@MrSpeedy29]

@@HairCutsEmo yep, you missed Fury. Don’t worry though. Blizz forgot about us too.

[@jack--hunt]

@@HairCutsEmo I do not agree about the holy priest being too hard casty, they literally have so many options for instant cast, with pvp talents improving them like PoM, shield, all holy words and more, potential for double serenity, PoM 10% heal per bounce. In addition to this they have more cc options than disc with chastise. And apotheosis reset all holy words for even more cc and instant heals. Other than this the potential legendary that can cheat death. And mentioning too hard casty with resto shaman being an option come on

[@bakii360]

Whats the Name of the addon that Shows in the middle of the screen that a spell is rdy?

[@Orisha1990]

Mage out here with my signature look of superiority, and then I remember I suck.

[@Qui11o]

hey guys what add-on is he using to show the cds and buffs/debuffs on the enemy nameplate at 4:18?

[@Warshotqt]

It is called BigDebuffs

[@Cyas100]

[@omologo95]

You can still play those specs. You'll just have a real rough start to SL. Atleast BM Hunter does really, really well on the PvE side of things?

[@TheUnone]

God tier troll ;D

[@twalker7293]

I'm newish to pvp only a 1800 player on survival hunter, u think I cud pick up on ele shammy OK in 2s?

[@hunterwhite786]

I’m not sure about Sp placement in moderate, would lean more towards easy... but also for destruction, in Slands yes I’d say easy. But destro had a decent skill cap just in pet swapping and positioning alone in BFA.

[@ldvl2782]

I'm new to retail and started playing sub rogue, wish me luck boys

[@Alex-qx7ot]

I'm new too! Good luck!

[@competitiveprogrammers5032]

Everyone feels bad for the BM hunter... What about the demonology warlock?

[@drainzs]

fax :(

[@dennyszenklusen8784]

This didn‘t age well

[@HawkNocturnal]

So I main mage! But I want a melee! Ret pally, arms warrior which to choose?

[@tronz4800]

They are both quite simple to play. They are both good PvP specs, with alot og comps to choose. I played both, and i think ret is slightly easier, while having Better survivability. Where armd might have slightly more mobility. So i think its Up to you, what sounds most exciting 😉

[@vinzch4898]

I think war will be a better choice (i use to play ret but gonna drop it). Ret have very bad mobility, so top players complained about it. In response Blizz gave us more damage & more healing (wich is absolutly not what was asked), and now they are already nerfing damage without any compensation. Ret will be C or D tiers during SL at this point

[@jakekenyon8838]

What is most desired in RBG aflic lock or Shadow Priest?

[@_____J______]

I saw much more priests than locks nowadays, but ...who knows, to everyone their own

[@hamsterman1995]

As someone who plays around 2400 mmr in RBGs, we wouldn't think twice between choosing a aff lock over and spriest. They go great hand in hand though. The slow on the whole enemy team from aff lock is invaluable.

[@taneljaanson2924]

Only hard class compere to others in game to play in PvP is Elemental Shaman closely followed by Mage. Speaking of SL pre-patch. Holy Paladin easy? Right. Gl casting those hard cast heals, rotate something wrong and your gone quickly. Worse healing in game currently. How about Disc Priest? Two school of heals, great defensives, nice damage. Mindcontrol cheese. Mass Dispel. Easiest and more beneficial healer by far is a Disc Priest. I rolled a Disc Priest as Main Hpal and I find it a lot easier to deal with things might change when we get more borrowed power.

[@jdlegacy1977]

6:11 i feel so proud about my class Mage ....the more difficult it is, the more enjoyable will be the victory in arenas

[@gustavkollingnystrm2002]

That was before they knew about their broken legendary, mage tankiest class

[@Grotfang]

Just started playing a sub rogue and honestly I feel like they’re much easier than a UHDK. Keeping Slice and advice active with Rupture is hardly asking much, the rest is popping 3-4 CDs simultaneously with orc racial for meta. The AoE rotation is almost laughably easy. You could argue with the CC and utility of the rogue class in general it can have a very high ceiling of skill, but the overall rotation is simple imo.

[@truthtimetv4575]

just more buttons and the fact rogues take a shit ton more damage with far less recovery. With dk you at least can death strike back your health and kite with chains. Rogue without cds is dick out in the cold

[@joshyman221]

Truth Time TV you can’t kite with chains vs basically anything other than warrior. Unh rotation and resource management is way more complex, not evening mentioning proper pet use. I really only think mes is the only dk who plays unh to its full potential because it’s so unintuitive in many ways; the thing about unh is that it’s damage recently has been tuned to come from passive sources so you actually rely a lot on team mates for kill windows rather than your individual skill showing damage wise (the skill is in using all the cc well, much like old sub). I do think sub rogue still is also very complex so they should be same tier.

[@omologo95]

Ehm, this is for PvP, not PvE. Just as a simple heads up.

[@kalvish5725]

Pressing slice as sub rogue lol

[@El-Plan]

why do i find sub so easy? i main WW monk and i have to work more for it. putting arcane as hard over affliction doesnt make sence.

[@boltman1195]

Warlocks are alot more tanky than mages, people always complain about the rotation. Think in all aspects.

[@El-Plan]

@@boltman1195 But mages have iceblock x2 if u are frost, arcane has like 3 blinks, warlocks have 1 defensive CD. i was thinking about surviving, as arcane u can survive way easier than an affliction warlock. Still doenst make sence arcane is harder than affliction. just imo

[@boltman1195]

@@El-Plan Affliction is the hardest out of the 3 specs and should be higher yes. Fire is the only spec that doesn't have 3 schools of magic to choose from. The other two specs are predominantly one school. It's better now that there's more abilities to use but even so. Warlocks have pets in all specs, fear and shadow fury. As a cloth user your health is ridiculous. So much more tanky, less mobile yes but it adds up. Fear is controversial.

[@OWlsfordshire]

@@boltman1195 fire does get 3. They have frostbolt and polymorph

[@boltman1195]

@@OWlsfordshire sorry, just noticed the typo. Cheers This was posted during the end of BFA, frost bolt wasn't on there yet. Would be ring of frost

[@markpickford4756]

Anyone know which tank class is easiest apart from Guardian Druid since I don’t like Druid class. Thank for your time

[@mykavoncarsteinghorsthelman]

Brew monk is the easiest in pve

[@Joel3D1]

Whats the addon that lets u see your combo points on the enemy hp bar

[@hamsterman1995]

You can do this yourself. Open your game menu, go to interface > names > check personal resource display > check show special resource on target or something > uncheck show person resource display. Not in-game so paraphrasing what the options are called. Let me know if this helped!

[@flyingmatteo89]

You should have put PVP in the title because otherwise ppl will automatically think this is a pve guide

[@MIngalls]

13:50 what add on is that for the Runes?

[@yassinewow]

I think it's UmberRunes

[@arash9728]

it is done with moveanything addon , you can move dk rune from ui section to where you want in middle of screen section.

[@alby910]

What is the unitframe addon that has replaced blizz default ui

[@Tagonschezar]

Bartender

[@thuraoo2295]

what is the party frame addon he using?

[@BaldChimpanzee]

thought ret pal is the easiest one since the class itself allows you to make mistakes with addition of self heals for 50%+ of hp

[@brody8857]

This is my first expansion and I main ret pally. And yes I agree I make so many mistakes that I am able to get away with because I just heal myself

[@hamsterman1995]

Yep, this video is not accurate with the live version of the game.

[@toamudosuglycousin1616]

Rets heals and burst is insane but it’s so easy to kite them so I’d keep em in moderate

[@marioesp1952]

Any class can easily run ret's burst,no way

[@karkoza4247]

I believe that feral should also be on the list of difficult ones. Also, like a sub, you need to СС many targets.Assist and heal mates.And with BT talent is not easy to perform big damage but rewarded

[@evan-du3vk]

Yup for feral and is the only mele class that dont do dmg when it goes in to defens. And we dosent have any bubble or defensive that making as immune to skills or stuns. And without haste build casting cyclone is quite difficult with 1.4s cast time.

[@bjimmy2796]

@@evan-du3vk wrong you can’t be polymorphed at all. Every feral I’ve come across runs in bursts self heals disappears repeat.

[@Rico-cx1yu]

This video is weird just because you have utility doesn’t make you class harder. What makes a class hard is how easy it is to die, how easy the rotation is to get off and how strong your class is

[@onecraftone2run600]

Where are fury warrior, bm hunter and holy priest?

[@Saint43211]

How do you get the arena number above the chars health bar?

[@НекитМакар]

www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/arena-nameplate-numbers/files

[@MarcusLeonard307]

To the SkillCapped Team, for topics such as this, you really ought to consider making your tier criteria more objective and robust. What is easiest really based on? E.g., a class may be tougher to manage simply because of the number of buttons required to be proficient. Simply saying that a class has a "high-skill floor" or one is "easy to pick up and play" doesn't cut it. You can improve these reviews :)

[@balancebreaker1561]

They are probably mostly based on outplay capabilities, those with most outplay potential tend to be the most difficult

[@addlemm44]

They explain it all throughout the video I thought... e.g. holy paladin has oh crap save abilities (easy) while mistweaver has to kite (moderate). Also, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying about buttons, b/c I don't recall them making that argument. Are you suggesting that ranking by the number of buttons is a way for them to improve? It certainly seems to me that buttons is a more superficial metric. They do not "simply say high skill floor" Friend, they just got done explaining why it's a high skill floor, why you choose to ignore all of it? e.g.mage having to kite and cc and be vulnerable to interrupts.

[@MarcusLeonard307]

@@addlemm44 It's like taking a course assignment. An instructor needs to have a rubric with which he will grade the assignment. Otherwise, his grading is subjective and not really clear. Have certain categories for what makes a class easy or hard or medium. Get it? This way it's better and more objective.

[@balancebreaker1561]

@@MarcusLeonard307 to be fair they dint do that but they explained why they think each is easy etc, also this can be seen as their own perspective which is coming from pros, i would take it with a grain of salt but though its hard to go vs them, there isnt a case i disagree on the vid

[@MarcusLeonard307]

@@balancebreaker1561 I'm just talking in terms of making it better by making it more objective, especially since they use a tier "system".

[@williamkernan5322]

Do you have a pve similar list?

[@vpwctor1]

Where does the BM Hunter fit in?

[@Dirtyboxer1]

I think that I would have put Arms in the Easy section. Even with their tools, it's not a difficult spec to pick up. The most difficult part is probably being patient and making sure you have enough rage to burst when you have the opportunity. Arms does enough damage to force defensives, so they aren't wholly reliant on their teammate creating those burst windows.

[@kalvish5725]

The skill from warrior comes from using utility efficiently imo

[@Pcgaming2k]

Does mm hunter go with disc

[@rionasa]

rogs can stun multiple targets at once?

[@rionasa]

@Juso which spell? ;)

[@rionasa]

thats „in a row“ not at once. jesus, its missleading bla bla in this vid

[@rionasa]

@Juso okay im stuipid, learnt my lesson. sorry for being toxic

[@danielparra4876]

Druid dificult???

[@SH4D0WBattousai]

updated actual tier list pls? the last one you uploaded seems pretty outdated now. It'd be nice to have one around these days and another til the end of nov? hopefully the exp gets a new release date by then. Good insights here though I might level up my hpaly, its just that it seemed the weakest healer atm.

[@HTMB96]

This was done 10 hours ago??

[@scootzie]

Why? Itll be outdated by next week anyway. There's really no point in making any of these videos tbh.

[@derrickpiwish9468]

@@scootzie exactly, prepatch tier lists are pretty useless. In fact the first part of the xpac will probably be tuned non stop.

[@priestskorge]

Just boosted a fury warrior and am loving it. Always played caster mostly and some melee but warrior is really fun. I feel like a true orc. Now I just need a mag har orc or whatever it is lol. Just started playing again quit very early in bfa

[@gothxm]

If thats the brown orc from the allied races, good luck. Its such a ridiculous quest chain lmfao

[@maxlgaudi8386]

@@gothxm lmao never heard someone struggling at a allied race questline 🤣

[@gothxm]

@@maxlgaudi8386 the questline to get some of those races are just long and tedious as hell.

[@bgchannel243]

Me: *cries in holy priest*

[@7781296]

Greater heal. You’ve mastered holy. Grats...

[@wolverineftw]

Visible confusion in BM Hunter

[@serveywow]

@@7781296 only greater heal isn’t viable this meta

[@jdspetersgaming]

nominated for hardest rdps class

[@tiantimqiao]

Holy Priest: I don't exsit in PVP

[@theonethatquestions8928]

Like Demo lock /cry

[@RasguerWOW]

neither do demo lock, outlaw rogue, fury warr, bm hunter

[@Heboux]

He did use the word ”viable” in many cases. Ofc this is his personal opinion and everyone has a different list due to personal preference, interest and skill that contributes to each and every players own viability per spec.

[@moldgrim1]

@@Heboux viable, yet enhancement shaman is mentioned. Strange.

[@Heboux]

@@moldgrim1 true that, must be the personal preference part xD

[@EternalJunim]

Fury Warrior is so bad that not even shows up for the ranking.

[@rodentt1476]

Outlaws too

[@nathana5718]

BM Hunter, Demo Lock, HPriest also, not looking viable in 9.0

[@mwmanumb]

Feelsbadman

[@Vic-qp1gk]

Frost dk wants in on this

[@texas9967]

So as pve warrior not that good ?

[@Bahumet22]

Great tier list idea love it

[@ezenor4187]

why there is no fury warrior ?

[@schmooplesthesecond5997]

i like how bm and demo isnt even mentioned

[@joaovictordelima9604]

Strong Healer easy/moderare from pvp and pve? Please

[@voodoochild-gaming]

Did the disc priest cast vampiric touch?

[@gatopardatos]

Yes, he used the new pvp talents "Thoughtsteal" on the enemy Shadow priest, stealing his VT.

[@heartbeatingpriest]

Imo making a list for X patch is only about the current meta/balance. I can’t see rdruid being hard in the long run. From wd in tbc being faceroll to rmd in mop to... Imo what matters for people looking to play something is more about them being interested in ‘going deep’. If you ask me (obv bias inc) disc priest has been the most fun class overall, even when undertuned. E.g. when mw is at the bottom he has no tools to compensate, disc has more than enough, and in seasons when it was in scuba diving mode, you could still do something by playing smart with rogue and/or mage. Even though at high mmr it was not that fun due to numbers disparity with other healers.

[@RafhaelelCaballerodelaMuerte]

Like DK Frost, it's kind of depressing to be considered the "easiest" Spec. Even worse if people see it and end up pushing the buttons like crazy and ignoring the rotation that is just as easy to counter.

[@pcrh6549]

Enhance should be put on S tier mate, u can't survive with it no matter how godly you are =)

[@evan-du3vk]

Hey i had encha in wod but after pruning the rotation in legion it was so simple that i get bored with it. Did they make it more utility wide. Or its same boring?

[@Nillowo]

I’m teetering on the edge of uhdk sub rogue and spriest. Just came back after 2 year break and they all look so enticing. I don’t know if I wanna sweat so bad as sub rogue though lol

[@blacksfortrump9904]

Go night elf priest. You get stealth as night elf

[@MCo1776]

Completely wrong about rogues. All should be in the moderate / hard category. CD and CC management, is incredibly difficult to do correctly, and absolutely is NOT easy to just “pick up”.

[@megamorfe]

No he is not, rogue are god damm easy to play, you don't need any knowlodge to play it...damm you can even make a single button macro to play it..is laughable

[@MCo1776]

@@megamorfe have you played rogue? If so what notable accomplishments have you had in PVP? Highest rating as a rogue? And if your someone who has played since Vanilla that’s one thing. Everything is easy to those kind of people. But if your like me and started playing pvp in legion, then it’s hard. And I can promise you after maining rogue for a while now, there is not such macro that can be used. For your burst opener yes, but CC management is another animal. Rogues are super situational and have to be able to adapt quickly. I disagree with you strongly. You sound like the kinda person who gets bodied by rogues and says “omg there so easy and broken”

[@MCo1776]

I eagerly await your reply.

[@ero9685]

Meanwhile destro lock getting trained rn can’t get a cast off and just dies but fire mage has about 90000 ways to get away from people. Ya fire mage hard haha combust go brrrrrr.

[@paulod.candeias9442]

You can cleanse/steal combust and just stun the mage and just los so :P

[@MrDescream]

@@paulod.candeias9442 yeah good luck with purging combust with other 10+ buffs he has all the time

[@paulod.candeias9442]

@@MrDescream Literally the easiest thing to do

[@paulod.candeias9442]

If youre a mage just spell steal it lols. just los if ure that afraid

[@MrDescream]

@@paulod.candeias9442 I'm a disc priest. And I've combust pops you either has a couple gcds to throw major defenses or try to grind through at least 4 or 5 buffs mage always has, and this is given you purged all the other things he has prior

[@theboofysystem]

BM, Demonology, Holy Priest, bruh

[@farkasadam4771]

Feel offended as a holy priest

[@kuba1100]

@@farkasadam4771 me2

[@olginwatzkana6763]

Is there a video like this for PvE??

[@TheButton0]

Informative video for what was there, but why were so many specs left out? Demo locks, holy priests, outlaw rogues, bm hunters, and fury warriors were all not covered...

[@alexbrennan9928]

unviable specs. zero reason to choose those specs over others for the class

[@jeleopard]

@@alexbrennan9928 Not only is that false, hpriest is definitely viable in SL, but that's a terrible reason to not include them.

[@senix4573]

What about fury and demonology

[@Spunjie]

Holy Priest, BM Hunter, Outlaw Rogue. Better luck next expac.

[@dylanpayne1798]

Fury warrior

[@marvinschikorsky904]

Demo Lock

[@hermit44]

Lol even he forgot to mention fury warrior in his comment... Feels bad man...

[@bi0lizard1]

Outlaw. Is looking much better now. It should’ve been on the list.

[@doms5755]

BM is prob the best hunter spec after patch 9.0.5 lol

[@Thomas21408]

Is outlaw rogue there?😅

[@MisterLawc]

Who?

[@ben_ger1988]

i disagree with boomy, since its a druid that has to shift between forms alot i think it is moderatly challenging even if the rotaion is kind of simple. With root, clone beam and bash you also should use your ccs properly.

[@px106l]

BM Hunter, "WTF, I did not even make the list"

[@lukesheridan439]

Probably because it was so easy he fell asleep when recording it.

[@alexduey7868]

well they didn't include very easy in this tier list.

[@WorgenGrrl]

MM isn't all that difficult either

[@zoozy5712]

They only included the most viable specs, this tier MM is going to be the go to hunter arena spec.

[@opggez391]

they clearly hate pets cuz they didnt do demo or bm

[@Rufgaudas]

still watching, waiting for demo lock

[@5571Randman]

He forgot them...just like Blizzard did.

[@elakaerik8889]

@@5571Randman It will be there after the fury warrior...

[@marcgroetsch2216]

What did BM huntee

[@montanawhite5699]

I wonder what a BM is classified as, not ranged, not melee. Must be tank.

[@lovesoymilk9729]

BM is TOO BROKEN

[@TheBiggim31]

BM Hunter is a ranged class just so you know.

[@shiugen676]

Don't get why loads seem to want complex dps/heal systems and 2000 keybinds filled with unmeaningful abilities. I prefer fluid low keybind specs but with really interesting and variable talent trees kinda like classic/bc.

[@ziggs123]

Good for you, you can enjoy classic. But for a lot of people its hella boring

[@abojokah9768]

As a bm hunter, I am dead inside. Was waiting and hoped it would be in difficult range category lol it.it did not even get mentioned

[@asKiFTW]

BM is brokenly good and is super easy to play. What more you need to know?

[@michasokoowski5592]

I think it's a bit unfair to put casters and melees in separate lists, because every caster tier is like 2 tiers above their respective melee tier. Besides maybe sub which can be really confusing with the burst rotation and perfect stunlocks at the same time.

[@kluasvt828]

Ehmm no. As a caster and melee there are separate things that is vital for you to be good at it but you can’t just come with the claim that casters is 2 tiers above and not even explain it lol

[@michasokoowski5592]

@@kluasvt828 casters need to master the mind games of fake casting, otherwise they will be locked out of doing damage basically forever, especially in 3s vs a melee cleave. As a melee you just go with your rotation and ocassionally get CCed, but it is much easier to have a high uptime than as a caster that can get perma stopped from casting when melees sit on him. Besides playing a caster usually requires some form of kiting which is harder to do than just trying to stay on target as a melee. Sure, each class and spec plays differently, but I think that these things are common. I've played a bit of RMP last season on both a mage and a rogue and it was just so much easier to do damage as a rogue, above 1800cr it was basically impossible to get a single greater pyro out with 2 melees on me.

[@kluasvt828]

@@michasokoowski5592 well melees need to master the mind game of fake casting too, just the other way around. You have to be good at kicking, realizing when he is fake casting or when he is actually real casting else they will just fake you all the time. Not a whole lot of casters need to kite all that much in 3s since they cant deal damage and run, but if you think melee has an easy time just sticking to your opponent, that is a wrong general rule. I have played warrior for years in arena and against frostmage/healer or ele/healer i have to constantly think about how i use my 1 charge and 1 leap to get close. 20% of the game is just them kiting. As for the RMP, with full haste stacking corr (dont know if you had) GP would still be somewhat doable to use, but i would have advised you not to run GP at all. Many high MMR fire mages ran other talents if they knew they were getting trained and that is that problem solved. Furthermore, if the 2 melees are just training you, your rogue can have all the fun in the world with their healer and your healer is free to play as he like. Both Melee and Ranged have a lot of things to always keep in consideration, so i still stand by my point that casters are not 2 tiers above their respective melee tier

[@gavinrepp5699]

Feral: Shifiting, CC clone, snapshot bleeds, off heal, proactive bear form, bleed uptime, kiting.. Def most difficult ; )

[@StuartHeading]

I appreciate most people us don't use Outlaw Rogue in pvp, but it would have been nice to at least get a MENTION!😉😁 Unless I somehow missed it?!

[@bertreynolds8146]

VIABLE CLASSES NOT ALL CLASSES IN GAME

[@DarkSun52]

As healer I play resto druid; as ranged dps, arcane mage; and now I'm trying to pick up a mele class, my election? Subtlety rogue :/

[@Loginn122]

play them all above 2700 in 3v3 and u are decent.

[@bknoid]

Good video man. Thanks.

[@barbecueranch]

Thank you for the content! Made an account for more exclusive information!

[@theonethatquestions8928]

When the specs you want to play are not even mentioned.... 😑

[@sweetcorn1936]

Because video rushed for views and likes, sad times

[@Bonus2132]

@@sweetcorn1936 he said it was for viable specs not all specs.

[@sweetcorn1936]

@@Bonus2132 they should all be viable, but in differnt ways

[@Sloth-ZA]

@@sweetcorn1936 fury is viable if you play vs 3 afks

[@sweetcorn1936]

@@Sloth-ZA laughed me head off then mate 👍👍😂

[@Taima]

Now how much would y'all say this changes things when we're talking pve instead of arena?

[@7781296]

Everything’s easy in PvE. You can literally make a one button macro that plays your class for you.

[@skahg8695]

@@7781296 what classes are you playing? lol

[@7781296]

@@skahg8695 for shadowlands? Sub rogue and enhance sham

[@skahg8695]

@@7781296 well I can tell you as an unholy Dk, you’re completely wrong about macros. The global is a huge problem. And has been since most abilities for most classes have been put on the global. The only things that can go on a macro are trinkets, racials, and defensives. All of which have different cool downs so unless you want to sit on your trinkets while your other stuff cools down, macros are not going to play your class for you.

[@7781296]

@@skahg8695 cast sequence macros can do an entire rotation for you, I have one for an opener for sub rogue single target. It’s one button on a cast sequence so you just have to spam the one button

[@Wotanson56]

Good content my dude

[@junowalter5732]

BM is so bad that its not even mentioned? Wtf?

[@Taima]

I think he was just trying to avoid the stigma of even talking about it

[@ban-iu1sg]

Well I'll ask you this. Where do you see a BM Hunter on the PvP Leaderboard. That simple.

[@rolent23]

You dont actually play the game as BM as your npc pet is doing everything for ya come on bud that's an easy answer!

[@derrickpiwish9468]

@@rolent23 this mongoloid mindset is why the spec is total trash these days. They changed that a long time ago as you cant do anything while los, also now that hunter pet rez is 4seconds and pets are squishy the spec doesn't really deserve to be trash tier. Did destro lock / sin rogue/ firemage / dh etc have to really play the game all of bfa?

[@omologo95]

@@derrickpiwish9468 you actually explained why the spec is trash for PvP right there. Squishy pet as main damage source with long ress CD that can be LoSd. The spec is great for PvE though, so there's that.

[@Yurisilveira]

What I’d change on your list Dps ranged; I’d put fire and frost mage in moderate and spriest and affliction in difficult. Healer: Disc priest in difficult Melee: Unholy in difficult P.s: Dots are hard to keep up

[@blazblueeuopen4566]

I play all healers and disc is easier then driud :P so no your wrong.

[@yodizx]

how is ele not harder than fire mage, mages have a spammable cc, spellsteal that doesent cost mana, ice block which makes you immune to dmg, blink, shimmer, mobility. Ele has no instant mobility you actually have to run and think about your position, purge costs mana, no kill potential without cc, no spammable cc, 2 stuns that dr with eachother, 1 defensive (2 if you pick earth ele). Idk I would say that ele is atleast on par with fire/arcane

[@Kamanou95]

That's exactly what makes mage harder according to the video tho. The video is about skill ceiling and all you have to think about when playing the spec. I think their point of view is that only having the option to run to survive makes it easier than having to manage shimmer charges for instance, having to think about which target to sheep is harder than not having any cc at all, etc...

[@yodizx]

@@Kamanou95 thing is you have to think alot more about which target to cc when you only have 1 8 sec cc with a 30 sec cd idk i personally think ele is way harder to master than mage

[@Felix-pe2qp]

DH or WW for walking dead?

[@dubstepbra]

That not makes sense? WW dk is walking dead, dk and dh is hero cleave

[@Blcvnm]

Ranged : Easy : BM, MM, Balance Moderate : Destro, Affliction, Frost, Arcane, Shadow Difficult : Fire, Demono, Elemental Healers : Easy : MW, Holy Pal, Holy Priest Moderate : Resto shaman, Resto Druid Difficult : Disc

[@mclovin6316]

Why do you think elemental is hard?

[@wow1938]

👍

[@TheBiggim31]

Ok great video, but why no BM Hunter, Demo Lock, Outlaw, and Fury Warrior?

[@gege567]

where is outlaw rouge ??

[@williamdiniz5190]

Doing pve probably

[@lucmikaelson4428]

why no outlaw?

[@OnyxAvalon]

melee hunter is by far one of the most fun ways to play ive found

[@CptSlow89]

Im still waiting for wotlk buffed survival.

[@MrCulturan]

is there a reason for no holy priest?

[@ashera8748]

Pfftch didn't even mention holy priest as a healer.

[@RISINTECH]

Where is BM hunter ? Outlaw rogue ? R they really shit until not included in the video lol?

[@siriusblack7714]

Wheres fury warrior?

[@Kedislol]

This list is all over the place... The only ranged spec in the easy tier is BM hunter, maybe MM. Warlock specs as easy tier? Pet management and having a spammable CC naturally makes them harder to play optimally, far harder than the majority of melee who just tunnel vision their rotation all match

[@barrettjdea]

Is holy priest just not viable at all?

[@AlunethMaster]

ah man, the list felt good.

[@syrus1233]

Is DH good?

[@lorelyna1]

Its been nerfed bad. Atleast to how it was in legion, dh has to rely more on skill and having better armor since the loss of azerite. Or unless you got some good anima powers

[@7Detailz]

Sp n fire mage is WAY easier than destru or MM. Lets be real this game is easy anyway. But as destru u have to understand positioning, atleast vs enemy's with more than 2 brain cells. U don't care about positioning as fire or sp.