Trackmania's Platform Maps are getting Better and more Difficult!

I played the Platform maps 6 to 10 and went for the author medals!
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[@GranaDy]

Sorry for the confusion, I pulled a Nyco: I accidentall published the wrong platform video first (Maps 11-15), obviously this one (map 6-10) was supposed to come out beforehand. The video about the maps 11-16 which was out for an hour now, will be released with the correct thumbnail etc. tomorrow :)

[@Diclonius02]

Extreme Cliffhanger for me was in the Video until map 15 and zack ! Video unavailable. Guess i have to wait for tomorrow :)

[@GranaDy]

@@Diclonius02 Sorry, wanted to quickly correct it 😅 Tomorrow 20:00 CEST it is then :)

[@GabrielRM]

I was having dinner watching the video only to be suddenly hanged with YT saying "this video is no longer available" 😭

[@lamamemes]

@@GranaDy nicooo whyyy

[@GeneralArmorus]

@@Diclonius02 or visit twitch

[@waltstag]

If you enable timer on platform after getting 0 its an entirely pointless mode. Its for the players who are discouraged by exactly the feeling grana described of "never being done, always something to improve." Obviously players like grana wont enjoy it as much but thats ok and players can make whatever maps on whatever mode. Being annoyed at Nadeo for not mapping race maps like this is justified tho.

[@GabrielRM]

Exactly. This is great for most players, obviously the top pro players are going to complete them somewhat easily. There's nothing wrong in having a campaign that you can complete 100% and then leave behind. Nadeo could add exclusive skins to this mode IMO. Putting a timer will render it useless and just make it another regular track. Players have already created the tracks for people to race on, I don't think Nadeo needs to do that themselves. This game mode can shine in hours long trial maps. Grana complaining every 10sec about it is not only off-putting but also pushes this mode to be abandoned.

[@OMFGcataFAN1]

I dont know if it needs a timer. The rest of the game already revolves around that. I think these can be left as is. If the maps were Hard then they would still offer a decent Challenge. Also its okay to look at a track and say youre finished with it. Its not like trackmania is lacking in tracks to play. Just My 2cents.

I don't see the disadvantage for you when it also includes a leaderboard? You got the author medal with 0 respawns and stop playing the map. Players that really like the map than can play even more and try for a nice time or maybe even a world record when your name is Granady. Right now you need to publish the same map twice to satisfy both people, which IMO is a bit stupid. If you really dislike the leaderboard Nadeo could make it toggeable or something.

[@turtleflightstudios]

I really like Lars's idea of getting 0 respawns unlocking the timer: it retains the challenge of Platform mode and then lets you graduate to hunting for a reason to keep playing

[@xerneis743]

yeah, "needs timer", we heard you the first 128 times xdd

[@lilnoodletm8806]

its funny that it seems like he doesnt understand that not everyone is around his skill level lol. he said "what fun is these maps if you complete them in 2 tries" but brother in christ these maps took me (an average player) like 3hrs to author... ofc a leaderboard would still be good, but come on man TvT edit: laugh at my stupid ass for commenting before watching the whole vid

[@GabrielRM]

Nah, you're right. This game mode is fun. Him complaining every 10sec is really off-putting. Who could've guessed a top pro player can complete these somewhat easily (still took him 20min) 😅. A timer would kill the game mode IMO.

[@GranaDy]

@@GabrielRM how would it kill the mode if it unlocks at 0 respawns as Lars suggested? would make it interesting for all kinds of players

[@Manyux]

​@@GranaDy I understand both perspectives here, if you add a timer (even only after getting AT) it's cool that you have "more to do" on the maps but it also makes worse people feel bad. Imagine someone grinding hours on a track to get that respawn-less run only to be greeted by a leaderboard where they're 5000th in the world or something. I'm sure a decent chunk of people would be put off by that rather than feeling exhilarated about getting their run through. The other thing is it does turn the gamemode into a mapstyle rather than an actual gamemode if you ask me, since in normal trackmania you already don't want to respawn, if you respawn you're automatically slow- (with some rare exceptions) now if this game mode also had a timer you might as well just remove the respawns part, because you already don't want to respawn. Which to be perfectly honest I don't think would be bad, just releasing platform as a mapstyle for this campaign rather than calling it a gamemode.

[@GabrielRM]

@@GranaDy putting a timer would render the mode the exact same as regular tracks, hence killing the platform mode. Lars' idea is much better already, but I still think it isn't quite appropriate as it'll just have the same effect with extra steps. I think this mode is perfect for a very specific type of mapping and this is what Nadeo is failing to showcase. These maps are feeling too much like regular tracks where you can easily do a no-respawn run and do a start to finish run in a minute, just like any other regular track and campaign. This mode is much more suited for long trial maps. Maps where you virtually aren't able to do a no-respawn run and where it takes you hours to reach the finish, or even days. Ideally you'd even be able to take a break mid-way and come back to continue later (say you want to participate in a COTD in the middle of your run or go to bed). This is where I feel Nadeo is failing, perhaps the later maps address this better, but as it is these maps are just regular maps with couple more jumps. I understand they're made on purpose for casual players, but when played by a pro player it's obviously going to look like just a basic map you can one-shot. Not everything needs to have a huntable WR 😉

[@GabrielRM]

Kacky maps might also be able to use this mode style when designed around it, rewarding players with a safer approach Vs headbutting a pixel with thoughts and prayers for a fast time.

[@cygnusinfinity5126]

If platform mode had a timer it would be so good for RPG maps, but instead nobody's gonna make maps for it.

[@outoftheloop6447]

Personally, i think having a game mode without a timer has a lot of potential, as in the overall racing game world, not that people actually are interested in timetrials. So, a unique side gamemode that plays more like a classic platform game level and is less competitive, could be good at keeping more causal players interested in trackmania.

[@anonymousmuffin956]

I think why platform doesn’t include the time in rankings is because platform mode uses the time to count respawns (e.g. +0.001 per respawn) and having a system that includes both would probably need a rewrite of spaghetti nando servers to accommodate saving 2 kinds of rankings.

[@F3XT]

I think together with adding a timer they should add a way to like link the amount of respawns you needed in several tracks in sequence, so that the mode becomes more about being consistent across maps instead of being faster

[@icycloud6823]

I was about to ask where maps 6-10 were. I was scouring granady's channel thinking I'd missed him playing through the second batch of maps...

[@palfly1864]

Idea for the time attack discussion: once you beat author medal you can click a button in the menu that makes the levels time attack instead of respawn mode. That way whoever wants to keep it the old style can just not do it

[@Dormazain]

As a player who is "not so good at the game" (not to say complete garbage), I can confirm that these maps have the fun of mini-trial maps to them with the newest pack. Author medal is a little bit of a nice challenge and also takes a bit of time, but even I get the same feeling as you - when I made it and mastered a map, I want to improve on it and get it cleaner.

[@Za_Ra_bruh]

3:38 platform dip. Might be an interesting tourney for deep dip.

[@Schemer275]

As a terrible player of this game, this game mode is everything I've been looking for. I like trial maps because it's less about how fast I go. This game mode lets me feel like I'm not so bad lol. That being said, they should absolutely add a timer once you achieve AT so you can hunt the maps, because why not?

[@hikkespett]

03:00 Unwatchable before this.

[@grantsaylor8031]

This video goes hard on mute

[@GabrielRM]

😂😂😂

[@m1kexo98]

5:23 great idea, i agree Granaguy Pog

[@ThomasWinget]

The people saying that a timer for this mode would be bad are the same people who complain about COTD author times being too hard. Nadeo adding a feature to allow others to enjoy something more ***does not force you to engage with that feature***. Just like adding the new cars, STLJNT, and Platform don't force you to engage with those (though I concede that the newer campaigns will then feel like fewer than 25 maps for those who don't like the alternate cars). "If you add this I'll feel like I must engage with it" is a terrible reason for them to not add things, as someone, somewhere will use that as an argument against adding the thing *you* want.

[@fvoarin1307]

Was having hella deja vu, then realised this was the vod I fell asleep to xdd Missed the last map of these, and all of 11-15

[@GabrielRM]

I think the game mode is fine as it is. The problem is that they're too simple and most importantly, too short. This works great on really long maps with really tough sections. Essentially, trials maps. Imagine something like Deep Dip 2 (but start isn't on the ground) with this mode.

[@6.thedollar415]

Maps 11-15 are harder and longer. Not deep dip hard, but harder than these. We just have to wait for 16-25 now.

[@tiezieboy7877]

Am i hallucinating or did i already just watch this

[@GranaDy]

no you did not

[@Diclonius02]

He just deleted the other one and released this as intended, Granady doing Granady things don‘t question it xD

[@ca1ebyt6]

i think if the maps had like 25 cps that were moderately difficult (like floor 0 or 1 of dd2) and an actual leaderboard for respawns and time like tmuf then the mode would be really fun

[@Remyria]

I confirm, it's fun as a mid player

[@rooftops_]

Does the game track a time for the run regardless? With the gold medal showing .003 for 3 respawns (and null for 0/AT), I'm assuming they've gamed the timer system so that each respawn adds .001 to your "time" and then that determines your medal placement. If that's how it's done, props to finding a simple way to make it work with the native system (and I'm sure makes it more compatible for consoles) but it also seems like a lazy way out. Maybe it's actually an excessive amount of work to change the code 🤷‍♂but who knows what they've got going on under the hood.

[@chezeus1672]

at 13:58 , you can see the timer on the finish block. so yes, the game does track a time for the run.

[@rooftops_]

@@chezeus1672 oh duh then it's probably just the plugin, thanks

[@L0Ls0ul]

Yaaaa I watched two thirds of the last video, decided to come back later and it's gone xd

[@GranaDy]

@@L0Ls0ul xddd tomorrow 20:00 CEST it's back haha

[@rumfordc]

it seems to me that this entire game mode could be reduced to a "sort by respawns" option in the UI

[@GranaDy]

@@rumfordc yep

[@DPSFSU]

I just watched the entire other video lol I was wondering why it wouldn't let me like the dang thing 😂

[@piotrbukowski9566]

Oh nein, I was watching the maps 11-15 video and really liked it because the maps were finally challenging - and suddenly it was not available 😂 your mama is a platform 😂😂

[@moritzBujok]

can you also play these maps with free access?

[@chezeus1672]

these maps just aren't difficult enough for the game mode. number of respawns would probably be more relevant than the timer on an extremely difficult and long trial map, but it still makes little difference tbh.

[@skiipra]

video starts 3:18

[@jasonallen9367]

btw there is still timer on checkpoints lol

[@scusl420]

Imagine saying it's pi** easy and then respawn multiple times on almost every map 😂

[@GranaDy]

@@scusl420 Jajaja but the maps are supposed to be actually hard to oneshot, a few respawns and minutes to max the map is not a lot of work 😅

[@Figorix]

I thought YT was YEK because i couldnt comment. But it seems that video i tried to comment on is removed XDD

[@GabrielRM]

TBF YT and comment sections is YEK. 😂

[@matthewjensen5727]

I already watched 11-15 first cause this video wasn't out yet. Peng.

[@TheSnookerfan93]

Nyco saying Map is piss easy oneshotting everything 😢 for me as a bad to mediocre player those maps were quite challenging.. on just do it i spent half an hour before i got a run through clean enough to get just bronze 😁👌 the good thing is that all maps are doable even for players like me, i just need more respwans to finish them.. so good mapping i would say

[@pimechri420]

I have an idea instead of a timer. How about the record is the amount of times the map is completed with their total respawns! So the records would look something like: 1 respawn: 10finishes They would need to change a few things though. First, the respawns ONLY reset if you complete the map. So if you hit full reset it still keeps your respawn count. Second, they would need to make it so even if you leave the map without completing a run you gain a respawn. This way it would still be competitive but let those who want to be able to say they have completed something still get that feeling.

[@cris7712]

First

[@_ized]

Platform mode is so unnecessary. It's essentially just a map style disguised as its own mode but with less features than race mode, so why make it like this in the first place? They shouldn't add a timer to platform mode, but just remove it entirely and just release these maps in their own style campaign, although the style itself isn't really consistent or original anyway. It's like they just pretend to make something new, while just taking something that already exists, watering it down and slapping a new label on it.

[@Remyria]

no, they don't pretend it's new at all. they are literally just bringing stuff from the old old games

[@rightmiddletoe]

If Nadeo had released these as a normal race campaign nobody would have played it. Ok, your favorite streamer probably would have, but 95% of the player base would find it way too difficult and intimidating. Most players don't like putting a ton of time into maps where they can't even dream of the shinier medals. Platform mode is for these players. It introduces players to the playstyle in a way where you can focus fully on trying to make the tricks, no need to worry about doing them fast.