Ex-pilot questions why plane was "going so fast on runway without any wheels" | South Korea

[@gtf5392]

Expert: I don’t see how a bird strike could have affected the landing gear Reporter: Could a bird strike have affected the landing gear?

[@redplanet7163]

Yeah, she's clearly not very bright.

[@RollerGuideX]

@@redplanet7163 SkyNews. No surprises there

[@EqualOpportunity9109]

Not her field of expertise.

[@andrewlim7751]

She only understands Hindu.

[@tanishqk973]

She seems ready for Cnn or bbc

[@jeffplummer6419]

The reporter is not even listening to this guest’s answers. Horrible job by this Sky News host

[@theamazingbatboy]

Expert explicitly addresses anchor's question in advance-anchor stupidly follows up with redundant question read off teleprompter. Bravo! 🤦

[@carleddison7479]

Terrible presenter.

[@andrewlim7751]

She only understands Hindu .

[@smerdismagi9412]

Probably an illegal from india or bangladesh

[@Marilyn-s4d]

Most reporters now days are brain dead!😅

[@MrZrryan2]

Kudos to this pilot for sticking to the blatant facts and not speculating excessively. Well done sir.

[@robbedontuesday]

Yeah, he is elegantly avoiding to say it's all a fraud.

[@TabsT-vy5jy]

She's tryna blame a bird rather than Boeing's poor engineering

[@robbedontuesday]

@@TabsT-vy5jy that's a long stretch... I am more on the side of an attack... Unfortunately, we will never know.

[@jamesdellaneve9005]

@@TabsT-vy5jyNon sense comment. It doesn’t need analysis. Millions of miles flown without fatalities.

[@danielgrigoras5293]

No spoilers deployed, nose up and full power. Lokks like the want to abort landing after touchdown seeing they forgot to lower the landing gear.

[@EdoardoCetronio]

Lots of things don’t make sense here, too fast no flaps, no gears, no foam on runway, wall at end, WHY

[@Palmstreet-u7x]

Good question ⁉️❓

[@jaywhoisit4863]

No flaps? I didn’t even notice that. These guys lose all hydraulics then? No gravity drop on the landing gear? Why land halfway down the runway? That plane hardly slowed as it barreled down the last 1500m of runway!

[@FK2VtecTurbo]

That wall is at the beginning of the runway, the pilot landed going in the wrong direction.

[@jaywhoisit4863]

@@FK2VtecTurbo well runways have two directions. But why did he set it down in the middle of the runway?

[@FK2VtecTurbo]

@@jaywhoisit4863 lots of strange things going on, the flight data recorder will reveal what really happened, anything else at this stage is speculation.

[@dale1956ties]

Stupid question about landing gear immediately after expert explains about the landing gear.

[@Palmstreet-u7x]

Well these reporters are not of the brightest

[@dedotdedot7365]

She wasn't concentrating what that bloke said.

[@masakitonguba8919]

if in doubt, blame it to Russia or Putin ^_^....

[@greatunz67]

Let's be honest, she was a diversity hire, remember back in the day when news reporters were hired based on experience and skill? and when they were professional and listened? those days are long gone.

[@Kevin-yt9or]

No. She pivoted to ask about wither the reported bird strike could have contributed to the failure of the landing gear. I think the sequel of questions were normal. First ask about the gear, then ask wither the bird strike can affect the gear.

[@w.e.b.8719]

The aircraft was traveling at least. 200 miles per hour on the runway. no nose up, no landing gear.This was panic by the flight crew

[@brianwebb191]

Looks like that bird took over the controls lol

[@gboates]

60% - 70% less testosterone in a 40 year old male today vs a 70 year old. Does it take testosterone to maintain cool under pressure ? It could help it seems.

[@joegti10]

i wonder if they were trying to abort the landing and take off

[@kilo6490]

I agree 100%. This was crew error in an emergency situation. A lot of people should’ve walked away from this if handled properly.

[@proudbirther1998]

Yep this would have been a normal landing with a competent well trained crew

[@santhiyapei5570]

Authorties also said it could be due to "bad weather conditions" -- but looks perfectly clear and sunny to me.

[@woolno2000]

Film shows CAVU!

[@SteveLomas-k6k]

calm wind also by the smoke...

[@catholiccowboy8545]

and i say it could be due to bad plane condition.

[@Nikitateagurl_77]

This could have been survivable emergency landing. All I can think is a mix of poor pilot decisions, poor ATC commands and poor airport planning

[@im5341]

A good model of Swiss cheese

[@Fomites]

Bingo.

[@PerteTotale]

1% is the survival rate it was the result of a stupid belly landing runway 01 was the preferred runway, not 19, but they did a turn around for rw 19 sliding into a localizer positioned on a concrete bunker i cannot hear the words bird or wall anymore, these are decoy words

[@FeelMetalMan]

​@@PerteTotale and all in all, despite all the likely pilot/tower mistakes, hadn't someone thought the antennas had to be on a ww2 bunker, we'd very likely be talking of a 0 to perhaps a few casualties tragedy.

[@MarketInsights-jq3cl]

Negligence of the highest order.

[@JohnD-x3k]

She speaks English, but does she understand English? She kept asking questions for what he answered.

[@arthurbrumagem3844]

Welcome to “ how to be a stupid reporter “class

[@kristinetaylor3290]

She asks he answers but she does not comprehend so asks same again. She is incompetent.

[@alphahydraee]

Just following the script questions with no adjustment at all. lmao

[@greatunz67]

Diversity hiring in practice.

[@Kevin-yt9or]

She pivoted to ask about wither the reported bird strike could have contributed to the failure of the landing gear. I think the sequel of questions were normal. First ask about the gear, then ask wither the bird strike can affect the gear.

[@krevo6c]

This accident would have been much less severe if someone would not have put a thick concrete foundation for the antennas at the end of the runway...

[@The27thPilot]

Totally agree

[@davidlubanga5527]

absolutely

[@bkbaidan]

Facts!

[@nnoottjjuussttiinn]

without the berm, that plane would have skidded into roads, homes, and hotels. the death toll would have been higher unfortunately

[@beaver6969lv]

That concrete could be at the beginning of the runway also. They land depending on the wind.

[@tlevans62]

The cause of the death of the passengers was the massive concrete barrier at the end of the runway. If that wasn't there many more would have survived.

[@Brady2630-l1e]

Agreee..

[@A.B.C.58]

yes. I also thought so. RIP.

[@scanspeak00]

Concrete barriers do not cause accidents.

[@ronaldckrausejr7762]

A one hundred thousand pound plane landing… 1. No gear extended 2. Landing gear doors not even open 3. No flaps or slats. 4. No engine reverser once on ground, because there was no landing gear. Cause of death was the air crew

[@peterokeleke307]

But the barriers compounded it in this case, in fact the aircraft could have landed successfully gear up without loss of life .​@@scanspeak00

[@andreabrembilla6466]

Some context: Geoffrey Thomas, an aviation expert explains: "It appears as though there has been a bird strike and one of the engines, the right-hand engine was impacted. This would have caused a lot of pressure in the cockpit." He says that "with all the checking and cross-checking going on relating to this engine failure, it could well be that [the] pilots simply forgot to put the landing gear down". "Whether the engine situation was such that they felt they didn't have time to do that we don't know," Thomas continues. "But they would have declared an emergency and therefore the firefighting units should have been runway-side" and should have prepared for a gear-up landing. Foam can also be laid on the runway in such a case'. He adds: "A lot of things about this tragedy don't make sense.

[@jlvandat69]

Absolutely...serious questions remain. Very likely cockpit confusion was a contributing factor. It looks like they hadn't deployed flaps, either.

[@spdaltid]

Geoffrey Thomas, "Aviation Expert" is not much regarded as such by his peers.

[@NinetyTres]

It appears that the flaps had not been deployed as well, this is so confusing

[@jlvandat69]

@@spdaltid I would take a close look at anyone criticizing Mr. Thomas. Good professionals recognize excellence, while many incompetent professionals make a habit of criticizing the best in the industry.

[@sdryu6773]

could it have been some sort of hydraulic system failure due to a bird strike..? anyone knows?

[@JimmieBrown-sg8fq]

Generally S. Korean airline pilots trained to rely on automation to a higher degree than other pilots esp. western based airline pilots. Was a major contributing factor to the SFO short runway crash. I suspect after the bird strike and engine failure these pilots lost all situational awareness and was flying behind the aircraft. Alarms going off, lights flashing no clue on what checklist to use. Came in hot, overshot the landing zone and the landing gear on 737 designed to gravity drop no excuse there they had time to configure the plane for a stable approach. Summary they forgot to fly the dam plane. And who the hell thought it was a good idea to build a wall to place ILS antenna at the end of the runway, SMH!

[@proaudioTVsoccer]

I think thats asian airlines in general, but the wall was a stupid thing as well

[@Psycandy]

there's no reason for failure to deploy gear. the right reverser was activated so the pilots were flying the plane. no gear down gets a warning so... will be curious to know what actually happened

[@JimmieBrown-sg8fq]

@ Studies done audio stimuli one of the first sensory inputs we lose in times of stress, plus multiple alarms going off they probably never heard no landing gear. I suspect one pilot wanted go around and other was planning to land break down in CRM, investigation will be interesting to say the least!

[@nomenclature9373]

Asiana crash at SFO was a cultural issue of not speaking up when a superior is in the wrong.

[@kwangilchoi9878]

The pilot requested to land the opposite way of the runway after a failed first attempt in landing, since they had no time to fly back up(for reasons not given out yet). So basically they had no time and the belly flop was a last resort...

[@arsenalroo]

No gear? No flaps? Why the hell are they going that fast? Why no GA? Fishy

[@geoffreynoonan4334]

My guess, the pilots panicked and shut down the engines loosing power to the aircraft hydraulics / flaps.

[@mertc8050]

This looks like a gigantic pilot error. No landing gear, no flaps, no speed break, right engine reverser is deployed left one isnt but we have seen from another video the right engine was producing fireballs dont know if its double engien failure or lethal mistake of accidental shutdown of working engine instead, there have been incidents where this occured killing lots of people.

[@SDM496]

Why they don't have those nets at the end of runway which they have on aircraft carriers?

[@Lonsome1223]

​@@mertc8050Certainly very strange the gear should free fall and the flaps should work as normal unless all 3 hydraulic systems were taken out. No bird strike has ever done that.

[@Fomites]

​@@SDM496Because runways not on carriers (i.e. at airports) are used in both directions whereas the one and only carrier runway is manoeuvred to be into wind and therefore this is a one way runway. But this is not a bad idea. The runway overruns are constructed of materials to arrest overrunning aircraft.

[@IsabelleSt.Pierre-q2n]

Has this news anchor been just recruited yesterday? Can she utter one sentence in a clear manner? What a horrible interview.

[@Marilyn-s4d]

Budget cuts in force! CEO's have to get their bonus!😅

[@steveazyb2595]

DEI.

[@LoCoAde87]

Teleprompter brain

[@malacca1951]

"Er, I mean, um, er, could the, erm, I mean, um, bird-strike....erm...." Sounds like a 4 year old learning to read.

[@davidgalea6113]

Diversity...

[@kojakcountrylifestyle3580]

My condolences from Jamaica 🇯🇲 to all those that were affected.

[@Piecenotwar]

I fail to believe a pilot would forget or to or not put the landing gear down, isn’t there warnings or confirmation lights in the cockpit clearly displaying the position of the landing gear?.

[@alial.7408]

Someone in the comments section had a theory: a suicide mission of one of the pilots...

[@aadee777]

Aural warnings are the first to be ignored under stress, and the landing gear configuration warning is a long horn sound.

[@soumen08]

Yes, there is a "Too Low, Gear" alert from the EGPWS system.

[@Piecenotwar]

@aadee777 Yes I can understand that, I have audio processing problems and I can switch off listening to noises very easily. However surely if it’s just a engine out the pilot would acknowledge that problem and if it’s possible which it seems isn’t a problem just carry on as normal landing, unless there’s more problems going on than just a engine out of action.

[@clivethereddevil3178]

@@alial.7408 I thought the same thing but it is a selfish way to do it.

[@craigastor8182]

No flaps/slats, no gear.

[@chrissmith7669]

One reverser deployed. Very strange

[@Kathikas1]

@@chrissmith7669and on the so called failure side …

[@The_CrackedPot_Christian]

​@@Kathikas1they could have shut down the wrong engine, it's happened before..

[@Kathikas1]

@ Hmmm - I guess investigators will consider that scenario and the possibility the crew then just completely lost the plot and headed for the/any runway …

[@brianwebb191]

All the Gear no Idea lol

[@scanspeak00]

This is speculation at this stage but everything is pointing to pilot incompetence.

[@lonyo5377]

Except it's a Boeing so who knows

[@wsteele5864]

@@scanspeak00 Agree, although building a concrete wall at the end of the runway to mount a localizer antenna is pretty incompetent as well.

[@LoCoAde87]

​@wsteele5864 tbf at that speed, there is no way stopping without hitting the houses in the background anyway, even with no wall.

[@wsteele5864]

@ the speed is a problem. They hit the concrete wall at 150kts. A target would have been 130kts over the threshold. They touched down half way down the runway!

[@ianlewis2813]

The concrete wall at the end of the runway was crazy.

[@robbedontuesday]

It was at the "end of the runway" because the plane was landing in the opposite direction.

[@TropicalLatitude]

The pilot crash landed correctly. The wall at the end of a runway is nuts.

[@Derekmorgan-s2j]

it was an earth mound not concrete

[@LollipopLop]

@@robbedontuesdaytrue but than again who the hell put a wall? that’s such a dumb thing to do I’ll be honest if I was a designer I would not put a goddamn wall

[@robbedontuesday]

@LollipopLop maybe winds make that end of the runway the beginning of the runway... and the plane landed in the wrong direction.

[@RalphBrooker-gn9iv]

Expert: ‘Bird strike couldn’t affect landing gear’ Then Sky journo: ‘Could bird strike affect the landing gear?’

[@jeffreysuharto747]

Prob she was too nervous

[@mamatboy84]

@@jeffreysuharto747 Or she is just reading the prepared / scripted questions, or reading the teleprompter.

[@Kevin-yt9or]

@@mamatboy84 She pivoted to ask about wither the reported bird strike could have contributed to the failure of the landing gear. I think the sequel of questions were normal. First ask about the gear, then ask wither the bird strike can affect the gear.

[@user-xn9mu7op7h]

​@@Kevin-yt9oris she your girlfriend?

[@Loawercs31]

Terrible day for too many people. God bless all those who have passed and their families.

[@tomahadel]

God blessed no one

[@wsteele5864]

The pilots clearly were not using checklists.

[@acasualviewer5861]

it doesn't look like there was a single omission here. Rather it looks like something unexpected beyond the engine happened. For example, trying to go around but accidentally shutting off the wrong engine (and thereby finding yourself on the ground rather than climbing)

[@EatingMachine23]

@@acasualviewer5861 but it still doesn’t explain why they had no flaps or landing gear

[@brianwebb191]

Maybe Brain lol

[@wsteele5864]

@@acasualviewer5861 My point on the checklists is it would have taken a lot longer for things to unfold if they had been using checklists. They clearly made a decision they needed to be on the ground stat. No time to debug anything.

[@acasualviewer5861]

@@wsteele5864 yeah.. that's why the best theory is that they accidentally shut off the wrong engine. The landing video seems to support that theory.

[@audif1502]

The landing gear system has mechanical back-ups, where were the spoilers? the flaps?, the thrust reversers? why touch down so far down the runway? why attempt to land with so much speed? why land on a runway with a wall at the end? why not divert to a longer runway? There's so many questions. there's something is very very strange and out of place with this crash landing. There is much more to this and from my point of view at the moment it looks like major piloting error. but we will see when the investigation take place and the final report is issued.

[@TuSoKa67]

Monday morning quarterback

[@brianwebb191]

The Pilot had a bird brain by the looks of things lol.

[@Anurania]

Major piloting error is a possibility because many pilots in Asia fake their exams and are dangerously unqualified. I'm not sure about this specific country.

[@johnair1]

Could have been even a suicidal move by the Pilot! Cańt be sadly ruled out completely! A very good pilot probably would have landed it safely unless it can be proven that everything failed at the same time which i doubt happened. Maybe an unexperienced co pilot that panicked and hit the wrong button? A pilot with a lot of sleep deprivation and mentally stresses and not focused on the job? It has to be investigated!

[@SimonPeters]

Silly sky woman asking about the landing gear TEN SECONDS after he had just explained the bird strike would NOT affect the landing gear. She needs a change of career.

[@rightchoice9675]

Why some airports do not have sandpits after runways to stop overshooting aircraft’s?

[@andrewmacdonald4833]

I thought that too...we have them on steep roads for heavy Goods vehicles..

[@EatingMachine23]

Sometimes they have a soft material at the end that the planes dig into a bit. Usually if there is infrastructure not long after the end of the runway

[@nomenclature9373]

EMAS basicly collapses from an airplane's weight then relies on landing gear to bite into the material. Would not have worked in this instance.

[@PRCOM]

R.I.P those who sadly lost their lives. There's far too many things that don't add up in this crash I think it's gonna end up with a substantial amount going down to pilot error

[@Fastvoice]

The holes in the "Swiss cheese model" lined up here IMHO: Bird strike, loss of one engine and part of the hydraulics, poor maintenance and pilot training, stressed crew, a significant amount of fuel on board and a concrete wall at the wrong place. BTW: According to the METARs the weather conditions could *not* be a contributing factor.

[@syahmiyusop]

When there is accident, the Swiss cheese hole definitely lined up.

[@Fastvoice]

@@syahmiyusop Of course. That's just to clarify that it's most likely not only *one* reason (bird strike) - as some of the media people suggest.

[@blackvader334]

​@@AaaaNinja Uh no? its not smart at all, that is such a dumb idea. It wouldve been smarter to not build an airport in a congested area, it wouldve been smarter to not build such a thick concrete wall just to house a few plastic antenna and its cables, and to boot from the direction the plane lands there was barely any building in its way.

[@Bk-lo4bs]

We literally dont know anything yet. Just wait for the actual facts rather than going to stupid theories only after a few hours of it happening...people are mental.

[@lievenjoziasse2685]

So many mistakes were made.. why the giant concrete barrier just after the end of the runway? Why did it land halfway down the runway? How tf does a pilot decide to land on a short runway when the landing gear isn't working, the spoilers (clearly not extended), and reverse thrust is unavailable.

[@NewmNetwork]

The concrete barrier is there to protect the houses that in the path of the runway in situations like this.

[@aadee777]

@@NewmNetwork Well that breaks several ICAO rules, constructions near the runway are designed to be frangible.

[@t5ruxlee210]

The GCB looks like a surplus jet engines blast deflector foundation that someone decided to repurpose as an ILS antenna platform. A very bad choice as a way to save a bit of money.

[@kuma-bw1we]

Misinfo... behind concrete wall is just open grass fields....

[@chandumudunuru]

@@NewmNetwork Just check end of the Muan airport runway 19 landing towards cheongun-ro in maps, there are no houses in the vicinity even if the plane overshoots. Also, why would the pilot land the plane in middle of the runway, it doesn't make any sense really.

[@basilcjose122]

Landing gear wasn’t deployed which can be done under gravity Can’t see any signs of flaps or see air brakes Can’t hear any action of reverse thrusters Havnt seen any of these And also that runway looks too short for such a landing without using any stopping measures

[@kenjigonzales6929]

LOOK CLOSELY. REVERSE THRUST IS ENGAGE

[@NinetyTres]

reversers were clearly deployed, not going to do much though as the brakes handle the majority of deceleration

[@ZPatTV]

ENG2 reverse was deployed (question is if any rev. thrust was generated), ENG1 looks closed

[@basilcjose122]

@ yep That’s the thing Remembers me of the crash of a plane in Brazil Where one reverser was working and other wasn’t, runway was wet and they crashed

[@carleddison7479]

The aircraft did not appear to be configured for landing. Reverse thrusters were engaged but, of course, only one would have been operational.

[@Sckih]

Rip my South Korean brothers and sisters…From india

[@FloridaIndependent]

Did already announce the list of passengers? There could be Thai nationals.

[@ornellangairangbam1083]

​​@@FloridaIndependentThere were 2 thai who passed away I just saw it in other news

[@antichicmusic]

first thing I noticed is that the plane looked like it was accelerating after ground contact, almost as though thrust had been applied or maybe ground effect had set in. The nose goes up slightly, I mean that has got to be close to take off speed they were doing. What a nightmare.

[@dannychan90192]

Yes, it seems to go around but failed

[@steveazyb2595]

Trying to take off again maybe? Seems like so many bad choices already occurred.

[@p.channel.2023]

Definitely seemed like they didn't intend to land at all but something suddenly came up that forced them to land quickly. I don't think the pilots would simply forget to put the gears down & other landing procedures

[@dannychan90192]

@ very good point

[@cloudvoid0]

This anchor should be temporarily suspended. It’s extremely disrespectful on her part to not pay any heed to the words being spoken by the other side.

[@ZainalAbidin-d8q]

Certainly not qualified for the job .

[@LD-dx1cw]

She's a DEI hire.

[@vanshikaspappy]

For a non-aviator, i too noticed the ac flying like abnormally fast for an emergency landing especially given a landing gear failure. Should have slowed down way earlier to glide on the runway with fire engines having sprayed fire retardents in anticipation of danger. Too many questions

[@acasualviewer5861]

looks like a failed go-around.. like they were trying to climb away but found themselves on the ground.

[@AaaaNinja]

@@acasualviewer5861 The gear still would've been down.

[@acasualviewer5861]

@@AaaaNinja this one is confusing.. I guess only the black box will tell

[@iamreallyright]

The anchor appears awefully ill-suited to report or discuss an aircrash. Not sure what she s good at, but abviously she is good enough to sit in front of a Sky camera.

[@proaudioTVsoccer]

This was caused by a lack of training sadly due to a carefree approach from east asian airlines

[@KumarKumar-fc2gc]

One pilot saved the lives of half of the passengers even after a missile hit..with holes in the plane everywhere ..... this pilot, on the other hand, could not deal with a bird hit..in just one of the engines...two extreme cases .

[@lonyo5377]

Height. This happened low down and that means minimal time to respond

[@elijah7616]

​​​​​​@@lonyo5377 but it seems like they were not even doing the basic landing protocols landing gear , no flaps, overshot the runway landing spot , landing gear doors closed , plane nose does not seems like it wants to land . My take miscommunication between pilots and panic striked and they decided to go around at the end moment and they misjudged whether to go around take off or land . Panic took a toll on pilots it seems like they were not trained to handle critical emergencies. Unfortunate major pilot error along with pathetic airport runway end design .

[@EatingMachine23]

@@elijah7616yeah, although that still doesn’t explain the lack of flaps etc

[@elijah7616]

@@EatingMachine23 its a bizarre case

[@Kilo1992]

The other crash didn’t hit a concrete wall while this one does. But this is mostlikely a pilot error

[@ImionsaeXwb77]

No Flaps, No landing gear, No reverse trust, no break flaps, NOTHING... pilot @ fault 110% and it looks like they landed half way down the runway

[@Nikitateagurl_77]

And poor airport planning

[@heyv1ral]

Reverse thrust on the right side engine looks to be operating from the video

[@nomnommoon1001]

Could reverse thrust be deployed by the friction with runway? Afaik reverse thrust can only be deployed only when weight is detected on the gear

[@ky7299]

Or maybe they lost both engines, all hydraulics, reverser deployed with residual pressure in the circuit but nothing else. Perhaps they chose to not lower the landing gear because the extra drag would make them lose speed and stall.

[@rakeera]

Based on the witness and official preliminary briefing, it seems like the pilot had to make a sudden decision to land after calling a Mayday.

[@lackaywadedo4630]

The flight should have diverted to Incheon, multiple LONG runways, no wall to slam into

[@madhunisha3636]

One of their engine was already hitted and the fuel needs to be there too, if the engine was good then they could have try landing in incheon or gimpo with safety measure already available there….RIP to those who passed away.

[@Nikitateagurl_77]

Or ditch on the water

[@rasslinp]

Agreed, if it was possible they should have sent it to incheon

[@tommyrjensen]

From where they were they should maybe go to Gimhae instead. They were possibly way too much in a hurry to get down on the ground asap. But it is interesting to know whether they were aware of this unusual wall. It might be part of the landing preparation normally, except they were clearly planning to land on runway 1 instead of 19. EDIT: come to think of it, if they indeed had enough time even for a diversion, why would they suddenly go for RW1 instead of trying RW19 again? It sounds like some kind of urgency.

[@jango71]

Why can’t she understand his replies?

[@CrazyMazapan]

DEI hire

[@nazrisaat78]

Genius airport architecture, Build wall at the end of the runway

[@watchgoose]

that has happened at drag racing strips as well. very sad.

[@zachlee9923]

The pilot had more than 6,000 hours on small commercial planes. Now I know a lot of people are assuming that the pilot forgot to drop the landing gear or didn't follow protocol, but until the results are out, let's try not to blame someone who just passed away.

[@SamiKrasniqi]

But we can from what we see , it is extremely poor decision making on part of the pilots .

[@SDM496]

I am surprised they are not blaming Russia yet.

[@harveysmith100]

Pilot's, plural. It takes two pilots to operate this type of plane

[@mertc8050]

@@zachlee9923 im free to blame whoever i want according to what i see because im not their judge but This looks like a gigantic pilot error. No landing gear, no flaps, no speed break, right engine reverser is deployed left one isnt but we have seen from another video the right engine was producing fireballs dont know if its double engine failure (definetly not they did a go around twice accirding to reports) or lethal mistake of accidental shutdown of working engine instead, there have been incidents where this occured killing lots of people.

[@lamarw7757]

@@harveysmith100 It's not impossible for one pilot to fly that plane.

[@matjebonklumen147]

pilot panic and could not think straight

[@Life_Is_A...]

If only it had landed from the south like it did the day before instead of the north. That wall wouldn't have been in the way.

[@HakanOvgu]

Qarddin Token will go 100x after launch on Binance

[@Fomites]

Good interview subject. He knows his stuff.

[@parkerholden7140]

The concrete wall was a poorly designed ILS attena mounting

[@CrazyMazapan]

Agreed. And his answers were clear, short and concise. The reporter, on the other hand, was pathetic.

[@alial.7408]

This could've been avoided.

[@suminshizzles6951]

This is proof positive, that positive descrimination can result in unqualified persons being in charge of interviews. What is this person doing? Seriously.

[@barking_mad6649]

Eh?

[@you463]

Unqualified captain at the controls too !

[@tabularasa7775]

Wouldn't hire or have a women given . They are fake friends with extras at the best and most and many arn't even any good at the extras.

[@martynjames5963]

Looks like a failed go-around.

[@MrOnex80]

it seems the pilot trying to cancel the landing but its too low and too late.

[@LoCoAde87]

​@MrOnex80 Yup, and they already did one go-around successfully before by the sounds of it, too.

[@acasualviewer5861]

yeah that seems to be the best theory.. probably compounded by some error, like shutting off the wrong engine

[@EatingMachine23]

But a failed go around with no flaps or landing gear?

[@MrOnex80]

@@EatingMachine23 .no flaps and landing gear means they still want to take off but its too late

[@Poco-me5eq]

She should have asked him clearly whether bird strike could have affected the engine and the landing gear.

[@AaaaNinja]

The answer is that neither bird strikes nor engine failure affect the landing gear. they can be lowered manually.

[@pawelartymowicz1617]

to me as a pilot, it's obvious: not just one, but a long string of grave pilot errors.

[@writerconsidered]

I think this is going to be a big shakeup after this. A lot went wrong. We'll see what happened.

[@suzieq9245]

I would also question why he came into land so fast ? Not even time to use the landing gear.

[@acasualviewer5861]

yeah.. more questions than answers..

[@yemimahkim]

That's why many Koreans are suspecting that it was planned. The same reason why Sewol Ferry sunk in 2014.

[@barneymagee3285]

“ he”…………..

[@petemitchell3067]

Wheels up landing 737/800 in The Netherlands yesterday, happily no concrete wall in the way.

[@BaranRefaettin]

Leaks coming out about Trump working together with shareholders involved with Qarddin Token

[@FocusProj]

Beyond any technical issues, ultimately, if the pilots panic and they don't use the training and skills to do their best to land the plane, the safe landing is doomed.

[@brotherclint7101]

Unfortunately at this stage we are all speculating 😮 one fact remains the innocent loss of life rip to those on board 😢

[@mistermoptser]

In another video of the plane flying overhead just before the bird strike, shouldn't the flaps have already been extended and gear lowered at this point? There were no flaps or gear lowered even prior to the bird strike.

[@maryasaad6979]

Pilots could have used longer airport to land without landing gear

[@shinji1264]

That would require too much brain power

[@NewmNetwork]

yes, considering there was so much time between the first landing attempt when the apparent bird strike happened and the second attempt when they crashed.

[@Nikitateagurl_77]

Or ditch on the water

[@itsme-vw5yo]

​@@shinji1264 well a lot of pilot has done it! The plane can fly with one engine

[@ZPatTV]

@@Nikitateagurl_77 that would have been the worst option though

[@matthendricks9666]

Reporters must understand this simple fact once and for all: An engine-failure is NOT a serious issue by itself. It is quite an easy abnormal to handle. It is only an emergency because now the plane depends on only one remaining engine. Loss of redundancy. But the plane flies perfectly fine.

[@The27thPilot]

No landing gear, no flaps, and a massive concrete plinth supporting the antenna-this raises a critical question: who, in their right mind, would authorize the construction of such a structure at the end of a runway? Especially when all it supports is a collection of lightweight plastic antennas

[@gabrielp5544]

I don't think they had an hydraulic failure since they did use reverse thrust which means hydraulic system was working. Even without hydraulics the landing gear can still be lowered using gravity and flaps can be extended electrically. It looks like they may have got overhelmed and simply forgot. The black box will tell. RIP.

[@adambraunstein3283]

Not a good week for one who's afraid of flying. 😬

[@drtk722]

I don't want to listen to the flight recorder. There must have been two completely overwhelmed confused idiots in the cockpit fighting each other, or at least one unstoppable one...

[@Fomites]

Quite possibly.

[@Pboy7272]

She said "that's what struck me...".

[@carleddison7479]

She needs more training. Particularly on sensitivity and listening.

[@kriskalpa]

yes, extremely insensitive.

[@khj5582]

What's wrong with saying that?

[@PlanesandTrains]

audible warnings etc regarding lack of gear deployment. Impossible to miss that!

[@Guitar387]

He just described how it shouldn’t effect the landing gear in detail and she asked him the question again. Dreadful journalism. She’s reading a script not using any common sense whatsoever.

[@2011Rick]

Can't they abort the landing after an engine failure and get things sorted out? There is something else going on.

[@kriskalpa]

poor job by the reporter. the voice recorder is separate, as he stated.

[@carltauber2939]

I don't understand his comment about excessive speed on the ground. If the aircraft was unable to deploy the flaps, it would not have been able to slow to normal landing speed. It would have been forced to land at the minimum speed required to fly in "clean" configuration.

[@ram2706]

*Even the Flaps has not been deployed*

[@ImionsaeXwb77]

and brake flaps, seems like the pilot was dumbfounded

[@justcrap3703]

Welcome to the world of DEI.

[@1aatlas]

Hydraulic failure?

[@dazt5831]

@@1aatlas 3 seperate hydraulic systems, landing gear can be lowered by gravity on these aircraft, hydraulic failure would have also made it very hard to get the plane on the ground but thats not what any of the videos seem to show

[@sabinhong0307]

@@dazt5831 if it was a dual engine failure, would the third back up hydraulic system supply trailing edge flaps and gears? and also manual gear extension takes time, so maybe the pilots didn't have time?

[@AlbertRobinson-v3y]

He didn't mention pilot(s) task saturation except at the end.. An engine failure to a SE go-around is pretty straight forward but if there was bird impact damage to the windshield or blocking or damaging the pitot or AOA indicators (explains excess speed) that could really complicate the situation.. Prayers to the family's of the pax and crew..

[@goochygoochoutdoors.1913]

I was confused about the speed it came in.

[@RichmondDebug]

Watch the video.. Look how perfect the pilots were leveling the plane just seconds before touching the runway. That was noble, such an outstanding performance by the crew.. But the plane seemed to have a mind of its own once it touched the runway....

[@SomchaiSpeaks]

It is reported that this aircraft declared an emergency the day before on a flight to Beijing. It circled for some time before landing in Seoul INC. Speculation is not appropriate but this aircraft may have been unfit to fly. And yes there appears to be a huge question over the pilot's actions and the state of the aircraft systems on landing. RIP to all involved in this tragedy. We await a full report in due course.

[@MISSLALA-y1j]

No, Its not this plane going to beijing

[@Lynn12037]

No it's not. They already made a statement regarding that.

[@networkg]

What caused the emergency landing is not yet known, but what caused the fatal crash is known. It was the decision to put a reinforced concrete wall with antennas at the end of the runway. This is criminal. A concrete block wall would have slowed the aircraft and would have given way without the catastrophic result brought on by steel reinforcement.

[@lamargriffin7055]

I've been on a 6 seater plane with an engine failure and we landed safely . An engine failure doesnt cause this kind of problem.

[@josereycampued5262]

What kind of ATC do they have.they did not suggest anything to the pilots to use the alternative landing gear.

[@Stardust_Vivi]

Terrible tragedy. Go Thailand to spend the year end and come home to die. Too sad 😭

[@ManuelRomero-h7b]

I vote that They were behind the aircraft and forgot to lower the gear. As for speed ... WTF?

[@broaikings9527]

all Pilots can land and take off plane safely but a good pilot is one who comes down in time of crises and not panicking, knows exactly what to do at every given point in time to me is the one i always called a Pilot

[@robertleewhitt6241]

This pilot gave a very accurate understanding of how the landing gear free falls out of a 737 < he is 100% correct > < The aircraft had way too much speed > and it appears from the video that the pilots touch down way down the runway .

[@FUL0H8]

Secondary backup systems should have allowed for some control, APU, gear blowdown, or gravdrop. Seems like the situation escalated so quickly, human error allowed for this to happen the way it did.

[@kevinyancey958]

Understand that these planes have redundant systems, 3 in all, to run hydraulics for critical flight controls. The systems are powered separately by each engine and either an APU or a RAT. In the event that both engines fail, the RAT will drop automatically and provide power to flight controls and critical electronics. A bird strike has never affected the landing gear operation, since it is all hidden inside the fuselage. Landing gear on the 737 has cable release pulls that use gravity to deploy and lock the gear into place. All twin/ multiple engine planes are designed to fly with one or more engines not providing power. Pilots are trained for these scenarios and tested. These type ratings assure that pilots are well familiar with critical systems and locations by memory. Flight radar shows a direct flight from Bankok, with no deviations, missed approaches, or go-arounds. I could not tell from the video if the flaps and slats were extended.

[@PneumaNoose]

I feel like the pilots thought the landing gear was down because some kind of sensor was telling them so. That looked nothing like an emergency belly landing

[@aileronhelicopters]

What about flap?

[@Silverfish-qv8ig]

This is why people should be recruited based on talent, AND NO OTHER REASON.

[@554466551]

All the procedures were wrong which makes me think they felt they had to get down in a hurry. Giving the crew the benefit of the doubt, is it possible the cockpit was drawing smoke from the scrapped engine and they couldn't see? That would explain why the craft wasn't in any way rigged for landing.

[@oneeyedchihuahua]

The reporter is rather dense

[@tmp1111]

Understatement

[@CrazyMazapan]

Overly, more like

[@bertoldriesenteil1430]

The repeated "engine shutdown" mentioned here isn't relevant because the engines were not shut down on landing. Quite the opposite. They seem to be on full thrust, although one of the first procedures during and after landing is to reduce thrust. There was a similar incident in Brazil a few years back. The reverse thrust had been out of operatiin for somextime but they flew anyway. The runway was very wet. Was the runway wet here too. One reverse thrust doesn't seem to have actuated. "A bird strike could only have been a contributing factor". Yes. Particularly if one considers the fact that the angle of attack on landing was perfect.

[@jona826]

Does seem like pilot error to me.

[@MrSuzuki1187]

I can hear the engines under full power as they slid down the runway on the airplane's belly, plus the airplane is not slowing down in spite of the huge amount of friction. This could be because these idiots were trying to take off again after landing gear up. Just a thought from a retired airline pilot.

[@markjoseph196]

Water landing i reckon would be less disastrous…

[@gauravvij67]

No fire anyway that's a plus

[@davidgalea6113]

Something worth mentioning...In this case the engines grinding on the ground help keep the aircraft level. On water its much harder to keep the aircraft level because if one of the wings dips into the water before the other, the entire aircraft pivots, causing the wing to "dig" deeper likely breaking the aircraft apart.

[@agnesw4189]

The crash looked shockingly bizarre.💔

[@DoonRugby]

The only reasonable explanation is the pilot was still pissed.

[@brianwebb191]

Spot on LOL.

[@christ84opher]

As soon as the plane started to land the pilots realized they forgot to put the landing gear down so they speed up to try and take off again but it was too late due to the drag of the plane dragging on the ground.

[@robbedontuesday]

That is totally ridiculous. The 737 had one engine power, no flaps/slats, and they ought to know beforehand the landing gear was up.

[@fidelcatsro6948]

Poor bird gets the blame

[@JohnDoe-hs3ns]

The pilot may have realized there was a wall at the end of the runway and instead of braking he tried to take off but couldnt because by that time the plane was dragging on the ground

[@mark-shane]

Korean budget airline. That has history of problems

[@angelalalley7593]

This guy makes the only sensible comments about this that I’ve heard!