Grim details and unanswered questions: The Bayesian superyacht sinking investigated

[@Willbingham1]

Investigators have been working tirelessly to keep the blame away from the Italian 🇮🇹 builders and designers and onto the foreign crew.

[@jonathanpasch6604]

A captain should be able to tell if his vessel is seaworthy or not. The buck stops there. Too often though the money is too good so risks are made.

[@Baerchenization]

As they should - did you not listen? The retractable keel was up, where it should have been 10 meters down. This has been kniown from early in to the investigation.

[@billbogg3857]

@@BaerchenizationSo what would happen if the keel was raised to anchor in shallow waters ( which is the whole reason for it) and they faced similar conditions ?

[@gha9543]

@@billbogg3857 definitely the yacht will keel over if the bow is not facing the wind. The wind hitting the tall mast and boom at right angle will force the vessel to tilt .

[@billbogg3857]

@@gha9543 True but any sailing yacht capable of crossing oceans should be able to go to around 90 degrees with the keel up in case of a broach. You would want to raise the keel if not required to reduce resistance. I believe it had some thirty tons of extra ballast to counteract the effect of the tall mast. All the sister ships were ketches. This would have made her lower in the water which may be significant

[@tomsmith6882]

Linking this accident to climate (“the sea was hotter than it should be”) is peak woke + vaguely insulting to the dead

[@BambinoAmericano]

Yes you shouldn’t. He literally said “it is not uncommon in this region”. The summer has been hot, hence the water was warmer than usual.

[@peggypasson8794]

The mast had to have something to do with it catching the wind . it's a freak act of nature no severe weather warnings .... just very sad . It really is tragic but blame mother nature it's no one fault I mean ......they had no warning just so very sad 😭 some say it was a beautiful boat yacht or whatever but this is just so bizarre it's shocking an seems unreal . 😢 Prayers for all 😢

[@phil1517]

The storm was not a "freak of nature." It was a common microburst evdnt that should have been seen in advance by the crew. The crew was negligent and incompetent.

[@heyheynowinga9972]

very very insulting and all they showed qwas 9 boats getting rainesd on i saw no sinking all bull shiiiters

[@mgphoto84]

Anytime someone says a vessel is unsinkable, it will doom that vessel. Not from superstition, but from arrogance and ignorance from mariners and manufacturers. A licensed, professional mariner would never say that. It's a very amateur and immature thing to say by those who did about this incident. Also, the manufacturing owner automatically blamed the crew without any other details except for the vessel sank. That was almost the first day after the incident. That right there tells you everything you need to know about the manufacturer in this incident.

[@gha9543]

Suppose the captain raised the sail to allow the yacht some buoyancy and prevent the yacht sinking to the bottom ? Is this possible ?

[@blueocean2510]

In the event it was a planned scuttling that did not work out , the Italian shipyard and Government have a right to speak. The fact there may be sensitive data on board, that could affect the security of Italy, then it becomes more serious.

[@blueocean2510]

​@@gha9543The use of both anchors with sufficient chain or warp with all vents closed to secure vessel to weather storm. The vessel would have been ok, similar to other vessel nearby.

[@kwatl777]

They built a vessel that could handle 99.9999% of weather. But, they were hit with the 0.0001% event. It is possible that it was a well-designed yacht with a proper crew but they were hit with something powerful and unexpected. In other words, it may have been simply an extreme event.

[@phil1517]

Wrong. The weather event that caused this is actually a very common weather event but the crew was not trained properly to recognize it and react accordingly.

[@markjennings2315]

The flooding angle of only 45degree is ridiculous

[@gha9543]

Keel down and sail up will provide buoyancy. Keel up and sail down means flooding at 45 angle is possible with no stability other than the engine being on auto drive? and hydraulic pumps is switched on?

[@dkjens0705]

Boat designers can make as many provisions as they want when dealing with expected harsh conditions. A freak sinking like this is extremely hard to avoid while designing a yacht that appeals to the aestethics of very rich people while making the yacht safe. The fact that the designer is si quick to place blame on the crew is a sure sign that he knows it was a design problem. Had the HVAC, engine, generator vents been placed in unaesteticly positions raised over the deck, this likely wouldn't have happened. It's all a balance and in this case aestetics lost.

[@kirbywaite1586]

The sea will kill you whether you're on its surface or three miles beneath.

[@jonathanpasch6604]

No matter how big your boat or your balls, the sea has a way of humbling you real quick. If you safely passed, no matter how good a captain, there was luck involved.

[@jeankorff3286]

And so we realize that nothing is forever....not even a floating "palace"

[@SwampMyster]

Why don't you just ask the survivors what happened

[@Fighterforjustice-l6y]

They refused to talk.

[@OMG_No_Way]

@@Fighterforjustice-l6y…without their lawyers present. Which is smart.

[@navajojohn9448]

Very interesting seeing sailboats at anchor surviving a Cat 4/5 hurricanes with damage and possibly beached but not sunk yet this state of the art sunk in a flash.

[@navajojohn9448]

Questions - why did it sink and why did most passengers survive while some didn't?

[@VitZ9]

Oh my God. Extreme weather caused it to sink, and you could ask the same of any transport disaster. 😆

[@stevemathews9535]

@@VitZ9 She would have been able to survive any extreme weather if all openings had been closed in accordance with good seaman ship practice. Bad weather had been forecast but no action was taken to secure the vessel.

[@VitZ9]

@@stevemathews9535 I understand what you're trying to say, but that's simply not true. Theoretically yes, she _should_ be able to survive any weather condition, just as every cargo ship _should_ be able to survive rouge waves. But reality isn't that black and white, things happen, and there is a limit to what humans can comprehend from nature to design in preparation against. For example, once upon a time we couldn't conceive of rouge waves, so we didn't build ships with surviving one in mind. Of course now we know surviving one is basically going to be just luck, despite huge advancements in ship building the last 150 years. This yacht _should_ have been able to survive a storm, but it didn't. End of story. As for "good seamanship", we don't even know if anything was even left open. Most likely everything was closed up in preparation for the storm, because water ingress from an unsecured door/hatch would take a long time for the yacht to sink. But it sank almost instantly, and there wasn't time to evacuate. It's unfortunate, but happens. There's no mystery to solve.

[@fabriziodidomenico2198]

Condolences to all families 🙏🏽♥️ 😔

[@navajojohn9448]

Previous captain said there are air vents for the generators and air conditioning that will take on water if healed a over a certain amount.

[@BTCxyz369]

Better get them closed in a storm then

[@yvonnelessick9880]

Your on a yacht watching. What is the real need for airconditioning anyway. If hot hot hot. Like all the complaints are. Jump into the sea to cool off. The Mediterrean is surprise to be one of the nicest best oceans in the whole world. Must have very little sharks. There as well what's the problem. Bayesian is built in luxury. Anyway. Doesn't seem to cut it

[@shannonwilson1416]

Come on they won a legal case against the top 3 shareholders in the world. 2 accidents to to the 2 guys who won. GTFOOH

[@susettemclachlan8765]

@@shannonwilson1416 Just ask yourself: who wanted the owner dead? That’s the ONLY relevant question in this case. All other discussion is a distraction!

[@susettemclachlan8765]

To go down in 60 seconds is unnatural was the Hull sabotaged? Why are there no clear explanations coming forth ? It is totally suspicious and certainly not due to a bad weather event

[@25mclarke]

I think they were all sabotaged after he was let off of federal persecution... obviously some people were very angry. I know my opinion won't gain favor

[@susettemclachlan8765]

@@25mclarke Just ask yourself: who wanted the owner dead? That’s the ONLY relevant question in this case. All other discussion is a distraction!

[@25mclarke]

@@susettemclachlan8765 HP did

[@SashaCoCo]

​@@25mclarkePlus Steve Chamberlain was pronounced dead a few hours before in London. Foul play in London and in the Mediterranean Sea. Steve Chamberlain, Mike Lynch, their attorney, and their witness all died within a few hours of each other in London and on the Bayesian yacht just off the coast of Sicily when no other boats around the Bayesian sank or suffered significant damage.

[@newforestpixie5297]

Aren’t Black Boxes there to help avert similar occurrences ? Why is Simon so immediately dismissive about them ? It’s odd how all contentious high profile deaths & their circumstances are always labelled ‘ coincidences ‘ - too many coincidences can’t be a coincidence ! Some have to stink.

[@I_Am_Monad]

There's no doubt at all that it was a poorly designed vessel. Instead of having the superstructure as a series of rising nests, all the surfaces stepped down. At the center was the lowest surface, where a defective glass door pair would allow water to fall through stairwells into the lower levels in huge volumes that would make escaping through the stairways impossible. Water could come over the gunwales even while simply sailing, and this doesn't take into account the lower vents for the air conditioning. It sat so low in the water compared to her sisters, that the shell door could never be left down but only used promptly and on a flat sea. The extended keel knocked so loudly that it wasn't feasible to leave it down during sleeping hours. The keel ballast was barely enough to counter the sail and wasn't enough to right the vessel if it went beyond a very modest righting angle. Water ingress starts as early as 35 degrees and would pour in unimpeded at 60 degrees. The longer the vessel stays over at 60 degrees or beyond, the less liking it is that the vessel will be able to overcome the increasing weight of incoming water. [LATER EDIT: After listening to testimony and watching the event on other CCTV footage, it appears that 45 degrees for two minutes was enough erase her righting moment.] Many sailing vessels will right themselves even at 100 degrees and some at 150 degrees, but the Bayesian would not be able to pop up again past about 70 or 75 degrees, and this is without reckoning with the flooding. Why would the vessel even need to worry about being knocked down below 75 degrees? The single aluminum (not carbon fiber) mast and (with the boom) its huge profile. To make a dick that tall for the owner, the builders made many, many changes that added to its unique luxuriousness and bragging rights, but also stripped the vessel of all its extra margins for stability and safety. Add to the structural issues too few knowledgeable crew, no lifesaving drill or even demonstration, and you have put your life in the hands of Luck. Winds and waves don't believe in Luck. About 10 or 12 minutes was all it took (heeled over) to sink the vessel. All this mundane information will come out soon. It doesn't make a satisfying story to modern hearers, does it? But the ancient Greeks would have loved this story of hubris. Good sailing to ye.

[@jonny-n2l]

AVS 44 degrees !!!!!!!!!!!!!! that is the problem Generator and Airc inlets open and flooding , Gen 24/7 blackout ,dead ship

[@muenchk]

Totally right. Very clear and simple explanation to the tragedy. Not much of a mystery at all.

[@muenchk]

@@jonny-n2lI think the downflooding angle is 44, the avs 70. But your point is taken. Ridiculous design.

[@I_Am_Monad]

@@muenchk You may have spec information for the downflooding angle and the avs. But I supplement this quote from former captain of Bayesian, Stephen Edwards (who does emphasize that he is speaking from memory only): "The Angle of Vanishing Stability...would be about 90 degrees with the moveable keel lowered and around 75 degrees with it raised...The Downflooding Angle was around 40-45 degrees, much less than the AVS. So, unless the vent dampers are closed (which, with HVAC systems and generator running they would NOT as they needed to be open for that), the vessel would start to flood rapidly if heeled more than the downflooding angle." It was Captain Edwards' opinion that "the majority of the righting moment of the vessel comes from the main ballast...the moveable keel acting more as a centerboard to reduce side slip under sail." From this statement, I wonder whether captains of the Bayesian may have concluded from their accumulating and individual store of experience that the dropped keep was not necessary to retain acceptable--much less minimum--safety margins for the vessel. Unfortunately, Captain Edwards does not inform us of his personal experience tacking, and whether he used the keel to help the vessel recover from heeling on the threshold of the downflooding angle. He doesn't say whether he took especial care not to allow the vessel to heel to the degree that sailboats normally do, or whether he closed all vents under certain circumstances out of routine procedure or intuitive caution. Hopefully his experience and practice will be recorded in an official proceeding at some point. I share my thoughts with you because, as with the Titan Submersible loss, every bad design also has operators who accommodate themselves to the design. Even after they understand its limitations and flaws, the operators attempt to develop workarounds in their practice, and excuses in their minds, for the potentially lethal issues, which they would not tolerate if they had the power to change them. I don't know whether this also applies to the designers. But the billionaires, who know least about safety and seaworthiness, seem to be driving the production of the vessels. It will be very interesting to compare the results of official proceedings concerning the Titan, which I do believe will result in improved industry-wide standards and third-party surveying, and the official proceedings concerning the Bayesian, which I doubt will have any effect on the design standards and certifications for the superyacht industry. Happy sailing (metaphorically) to you.

[@muenchk]

@@I_Am_Monadgood points. I do remember reading that the keel does not have to be lowered unless they were offshore (according to some safety book that comes with the boat). If I had to guess, the crew did nothing that violated the written procedures.

[@jonathanarmasmcglinn1747]

The Baysian WAS very unusual: she had 6 passengers HP shareholders had a contract on, who were in the same place at one time... so they were all killed. Now we just need to know who, and how. We all know why.

[@SashaCoCo]

Plus Steve Chamberlain of Autonomy was pronounced dead a few hours before in London after being hit by a car while jogging. Steve Chamberlain, Mike Lynch, their attorney, and their witness died within a few hours of each other in London and in the Mediterranean Sea. Foul play.

[@deniseschonowski1607]

Ask the wife

[@peggypasson8794]

No matter how much money you have or status you cannot order up a squall or a spout ........no matter who you are ....mother nature is to blame ..... bizarre it is but .....

[@AmericaFirstFLL]

I had $30 million and was surrounded by criminals. I had no idea. Most were lawyers. My life became The American Horror Story. My 5 children were victimized in the violent crimes. Two billionaires who were celebrating a multi billion dollar victory are now dead. There is a multi billion dollar motive.

[@25mclarke]

Exactly they were unalived

[@phil1517]

Shut up. Everyone eventually dies from something. This was caused by a common weather event. Witnesses confirm that as does other evidence.

[@stevemathews9535]

Water spouts and sudden downpours do not sink ships if they are secured for sea - Bayesian obviously was not. What action was taken by the crew when the vessel was dragging her anchor. It was said in the video that she dragged it a long way. Gathering the crew and passengers in life jackets on deck in a storm is not a good idea and unnecessary if the vessel is closed down. The keel should have been lowered, main propulsion started and the vessel driven towards the anchor that could be recovered or slipped and the Bayesian put to sea. I cannot accept that bad weather warning had not been monitored on board.

[@blueocean2510]

With both anchors and sufficient chain or warp, all vents closed the vessel should have been secure to weather storm, the propulsion system on standby and used if necessary to ensure both anchors hold. It is possible people who go to sea, are not aware of the procedure of using both anchors in Northern hemisphere or Southern hemisphere. In the Northern hemisphere the Port anchor is secured first and then Starboard anchor this prevents the chain or warp crossing, in Southern hemisphere the Starboard anchor is used first and then Port.

[@brianleabo6295]

I be in belief that the back doors were open and so was the machine room. Due to the warm air and possibly the breeze coming off of the ocean. The anchor got dragged. So I would say without being an expert in seeing the plans. That if it went through, those doors it would push and drag it. That would tilt it up. Having it take on water and sink, but would be relatively fast. And would also not give people a whole Lotta chance. If the water came from the rear. Could also be involved with that as an experience with the ship. It is great to have a ship that is state of the art. But if no one but the designer knows the ship. Then you have the ability of that shit to happen.

[@davejob630]

My money is on the glass doors.

[@IPMI_pascal_fanti]

It's been lightening for over 3 hours before the accident and all weather forecast available were giving a warning. Despite this, the captain did not prepare the boat, the crew and the passengers. He abandonned the ship and did not try to save anybody.

[@nicoladelglyn8835]

That is not correct - the intelligence that has been put forward by the Italian Military was that the weather reports provided by the authorities were for storms with NO visibility issues. The storm should've been well within the capacity of the yacht, which had withstood much worse. However their intelligence provided showed a huge deluge right over it - I suggest you check out eSysman for actual reporting! This guff on Sky TV is annoyingly inaccurate and just shows complete ignorance of yachts, SOP's and what it's like for.crew members. I would also.draw your attention to the fact that the captain actually went to the rescue of the woman & the baby & they attempted to get back on the ship which capsized & they all got thrown off! The facts are out there yet its not reported probably because the reputation of a huge ship design/builder is much more lucrative than the reputation, life & prospects of the crew! Drives me mad when people are quick to make crass comments without actually having any true information!

[@LovelyBreeder]

Hi pascal, good morning! 🥰 I hope my comment didn’t come across as intrusive. Your words reflect the kindness and beauty of your heart, which moved me to respond. I don’t usually comment, but I believe you truly deserve this compliment. If you’re open to it, I’d love to be friends. Thanks, and God bless you! 🌺🌺🌺

[@muenchk]

Pascal, this is completely incorrect and irresponsible. The storm was a normal storm and the preparations he did were correct. It is impossible to predict a downdraft and when hit when one, you’re screwed if you have a downflooding angle of 45. It’s ridiculous. No sailing yacht should sink at that angle. You will see that the captain and crew are held blameless. I’m sure they wish they’d done everything differently, but they were not negligent.

[@xy2842]

That's basic seamanship to not have your keel up and your doors open when a storm hits. And it was known long before that the weather was about to change. 40 km/h means 20 knots, that is absolutely manageable for a sailing vessel and laughable for a vessel like Bayesian, especially without huge waves.

[@BTCxyz369]

The writing is on the Wall

[@xy2842]

@@BTCxyz369 Tbh I've never heard that saying before. Can you explain what you mean?

[@nicoladelglyn8835]

SOP for that yacht was keel up sails down - the little manual given to the Captain by the manufacturers - no matter the weather

[@billbogg3857]

Oh ffs he blames it on hot water what awful rubbish academics spout.

[@Alex000113]

Perhaps the freak localized weather exposed Bayesians design flaws, leading to disaster. An oversized mast made it easier to knock the boat over. As the mast approaches the water, because the limit of positive stability was so low, it would continue to roll over rather than right itself (Most sailboats have twice the righting capability). Having vents on the side of the boat and a cockpit that easily allows water to enter the interior means it will flood and sink quickly (and maybe defeat the function of the watertight bulkhead doors). Hope there are some lessons learned for future designs.

[@LovelyBreeder]

Hi Alex , good morning! 🥰 I hope my comment didn’t come across as intrusive. Your words reflect the kindness and beauty of your heart, which moved me to respond. I don’t usually comment, but I believe you truly deserve this compliment. If you’re open to it, I’d love to be friends. Thanks, and God bless you! 🌺🌺🌺

[@andylifer5302]

Or…an assassin snuck onboard, smothered them all with pillows then sank the ship to cover up his or her misdeeds. You’d expect more security in such a luxurious vessel and why were the primary guests ignored and left to die if that’s what actually happened? Shouldn’t they have been the first off the boat? This whole thing smacks of foul play.

[@simonjelovcan58]

It is a conspiracy theory, but in reality it was a mistake by the crew to left many entrance in the main deck to be open (there are two in main saloon/control room, a one near the mast and one on the bow).

[@andylifer5302]

@@simonjelovcan58 then sounds like someone should be held criminally responsible, it was their job to keep people safe and they got people killed.

[@25mclarke]

It sure sure does especially givenvthe situation

[@shakennotstirred3607]

@@simonjelovcan58 Billionaire Autonomy cofounder Mike Lynch's and Stephen Chamberlain's careers were intertwined for years in a fraud trial. Then they died on the same day miles apart. Stephen Chamberlain, who was fatally struck by a car in the U.K. this month.Aug 27, 2024

[@shakennotstirred3607]

Billionaire Autonomy cofounder Mike Lynch's and Stephen Chamberlain's careers were intertwined for years in a fraud trial. Then they died on the same day miles apart. Stephen Chamberlain, who was fatally struck by a car in the U.K. this month.Aug 27, 2024

[@sailnattie]

This must be a old article missing a lot of facts

[@Whiskermarks]

Batten down the hatches is supposed to be the captain’s famous last words..

[@spickspan5718]

The lounge was covered by a canvas roof..if there was a down burst, it could have ripped it to shreds, allowing the water to enter.

[@TheSilmarillian]

Water tight doors are supposed to be closed especially at night when the crew is at a minimum enough said. Why would the doors be left open on a fully airconditioned ship .Hope they do recover it there are many salvage teams especially in Europe that can raise it .May the victims rest in peace .

[@sidczinkota5580]

Blame the captain. Blame the crew. Blame the builder. Blame the designer. Why is no one pointing a finger at the owner? Before you buy a sailboat, you should know something about sailing.

[@janeebbitt7081]

That's what his crew are for. !! The Bayesian is basically a motoryacht with a huge mast. Superyacht owners care more about the interior spaces than the seaworthiness of the vessel :o(

[@SashaCoCo]

The owner was Mike Lynch's wife. Don't ignore that Steve Chamberlain was pronounced dead in London a few hours before Mike Lynch, their attorney, and their witness all died a few hours later. Those four men were involved in litigation in opposition to the US government and Hewlett Packard.

[@EditaHarmonia]

Heartbreaking 💔

[@b_altmann]

The yacht will be raised, paid for by the owner. - It was not required by class to have a black box installed. Bigger vessels have one.

[@stronzer59]

Knobb Schiener here, so no other craft sank?? Not even the tender tied to the jetty??

[@malinimenike2540]

My condolences all. Family '.

[@justinarsenault1926]

Just as a house has fire extinguisher yachts should hav air tanks for emergency sinking and very portable ones not full scuba gear

[@I_Am_Monad]

They would have to be air tanks with bright lamps. And possibly the air and the light would help IF the passengers had participated in drills which included 1) how to access the equipment, 2) all the ways that they might egress their cabin area, and 3) a sense of urgency to act very quickly at the first sign of trouble. The passengers had none of these advantages.

[@positivepawpaw7564]

research Lynch's background .. this "tragedy" is SUS

[@yvonnelessick9880]

My late husband worked in South African Merchant Navy he told me once that one NEVER drops anchor in the Middle of sea he was 😮😮 emphatic about. Must be good reason why he was emphatically about that here the Bayesian did just the opposite. What was the outcome ??? Plus this story of the keel

[@patciava3398]

I believe that the coincidences and circumstances uncovered by the ongoing investigations and autopsies are more than strange. They not only reveal a series of highly unlikely mistakes by the captain and crew but also contain baffling details. The crew said they were putting away the cushions when the storm hit and they fell in the water. Sailors who don't know basic safety rules (like tie themselves down with a rough sea) are not sailors. Does it seem plausible to you that during a storm, the crew would put away cushions instead of ensuring the passengers' safety? The yacht drifted for 16 minutes, as shown by the AIS track, without control. What was the captain doing? Why didn't he turn on the engines like the captain of the other boat nearby? There was plenty of time to warn the guests and bring them on deck. The yacht was equipped with a very powerful audible siren; it would have been enough to sound it to alert all the guests and bring them onto the deck. That's basic seamanship to not have your keel up and your doors open when a storm hits. And it was known long before that the weather was about to change. 40 km/h means 20 knots, that is absolutely manageable for a sailing vessel and laughable for a vessel like Bayesian, especially without huge waves. All the victims (except Lynch’s daughter) were found in the same cabin, which was different from the one they were originally assigned. The autopsies revealed that they died of suffocation, and no water was found in their lungs. How can this be explained? Imagine passengers gathering in a single cabin below deck while the boat is filling with water and sinking, instead of trying to escape. Unlikely. Why did they suffocate and not drown? Even if they had run out of oxygen in an air pocket, they would have eventually swallowed water. But, of course, you have to be alive to inhale water. Only if they were already dead would they have avoided ingesting water. Everyone involved in the multibillion trial has died-including Chamberlain, who was hit by a car in England the day before-while the entire crew survived. How can you defend a captain who abandons his ship without ensuring the safety of his passengers? In this specific case, there is little debate about responsibility: a captain who abandons the passengers to save himself and his crew is unquestionably committing a grave crime, regardless of external circumstances. This reflection points to a series of unexplained anomalies and raises serious questions about the events surrounding the incident. The choices and outcomes seem too improbable to be attributed to mere accident, leading to suspicions of foul play or deeper, hidden causes.

[@simonjelovcan58]

Your comment is extraordinary. Both main entrance in passengier rooms and crew rooms must have been left open to fill the underdeck in two minutes - 3-6 m3/second. It means aprox 300-400 m3. The sailboat was doomed.

[@courtneysquill8843]

If it was doomed how did the engineer start the generators for the hydraulic propellers. Clearly he was moving the boat. Clearly he caused the power outage. Water was already in the engine room. Boat sank 16 minutes after power outage. So what occurred before to cause this. Electricity and water.

[@phil1517]

LOL. A downburst hit the vessel, causing it to roll. Open salon door caused rapid downflooding. It sank. People died. Your analysis is incredibly off-point and full of irrelevant pontifications.

[@courtneysquill8843]

@@phil1517 There must have been more than the salon door open to cause the roll. And if it was just the downburst which caused the roll. What do you think caused the power outage at 03.53 before the roll. Perhaps the stern hatch or garage door being open as well as the engine room door. That's why the electricity cut as they tried to start generators to engage hydraulic propellers. What do you think caused the boat to bounce. An ingress of water in stern perhaps. In any event the Wake demonstrates struggling to open those doors as the squall occurred. So they weren't open. I agree that a downburst contributed but I believe things were already awry and water was already in the engine area. Otherwise how else did the boat drift 1000m and why the power outage if electrics are protected.

[@phil1517]

@courtneysquill8843 ----- you misunderstood my comment. The downburst CAUSED the vessel to roll. Once it was on its side (or past its flooding list angle), water immediately gushed in through the open salon doors. Rapid downflooding ensued. People trying to escape opened hatches and flood-tight doors, causing more down-flooding into rooms that might have otherwise been protected to maintain the vessel's bouyancy. I see a lot of people engaging in all sorts of bizarre pontifications about how such rapid sinking was "impossible unless..." No, it wasn't impossible at all. It happened.

[@thefashiongoddesschannel8099]

There's severe volcanic activity now in that area, and earthquakes.

[@I_Am_Monad]

Also Krakens are known to pull ships down to the bottom of the sea.

[@reccerecce1]

How much did the anchor add to this tragedy?

[@lindsayjenions2795]

Didn't find this video of any use.

[@shakennotstirred3607]

Billionaire Autonomy cofounder Mike Lynch's and Stephen Chamberlain's careers were intertwined for years in a fraud trial. Then they died on the same day miles apart. Stephen Chamberlain, who was fatally struck by a car in the U.K. this month.Aug 27, 2024

[@SashaCoCo]

Steve Chamberlain was hit by a car while jogging on August 17 or 18 and pronounced dead a few hours before the Bayesian yacht sank on August 19th.

[@susettemclachlan8765]

Just ask yourself: who wanted the owner dead? That’s the ONLY relevant question in this case. All other discussion is a distraction!!!

[@tracelee7332]

You could say it was everyone who suffered from the 2008 Global Financial Crisis...🤔✌️

[@jorgeborrell81]

The keel was up because it was compulsory to have it up at anchor. Keel down at ankor was more risky. Both yachts drag at the same time in same direction. If there is other guilty instead the nature forzes its the designer and shipyard, no doubt.

[@jorgeborrell81]

Guest in bad weather conditions should be inside the boat, no on deck at the rain etc..

[@pauljandersen1759]

HUMANS DESERVE AT VERY LEAST DIGNITY AS TO FACTS AS WELL ☑️🙏🏻

[@IPMI_pascal_fanti]

Not really. The sinking lastet 16 minutes. Once full of water, it took one minute to sink.

[@jeffcee9457]

Too many unanswered questions and too many mistakeswas made

[@panos61gk]

At the start (!!!) "...80 meters long..."! Stopped watching...

[@offroadoffshore153]

That guy is clueless in the assessment department. It is vessel with a low righting moment and a low down flooding angle. To suggest it involves crew negligence is totally unwarranted.

[@courtneysquill8843]

It has to involve crew negligence. The captain woke all,told them if his serious concerns but did not assemble them with life vests. The Watch wasnt watching. He tidied cushions after going out the saloon. The engineer started the generators for the hydraulic props. This is what caused the power outage. Why. Water was in the engine room. The crew all ended up in the sea and all reboarded on the listing side. The water accumulated to that side. It sank. Complete and utter amateurs.

[@offroadoffshore153]

@@courtneysquill8843 Nonsense. You have no timeline. . It was blowing 20 -30Kts as forecast. if you got up passengers everytime that happened and whacked them in PFD's you wouldn't have a job. There is always someone on anchor watch 24/7. There was a sudden and savage downdraft, boat healed to below down flooding angle which is ridiculously small and quickly sank It's critical angles are those attached to power not offshore sailing vessels. Deck deck/hostess crew up first weren't trapped. Those still below aft deck level flooding would have been presented with Niagara falls couldn't escape and also couldn't be rescued. Direct drive hydraulic pumps run off engine power and electrics incl any electric hydraulic pumps off generator(s) with storage. Name one thing crew could have done to avert this with the above in mind or make them solely responsible?

[@courtneysquill8843]

@@offroadoffshore153 We do have a confirmed time of the power outage at 03.53am. We also have reports captain told The Watch to wake everyone. We have a report the boat was bouncing by a survivor. That is called porpoising and occurs when the stern is too heavy and the bow comes out of water. We know the mast didn't tilt but shot back as crew were thrown in water. They climbed back on same side as boat began to tilt again. That wouldn't help tilt. We know the engineer started the generators to the hydraulic. Propellers because he said so. So he must have been moving the boat. Otherwise why else would you turn on generators to the hydraulic propellers. We know that water must have ingressed because of the power outage. The boat sank stern down bow up. Water had clearly entered the engine area. Clearly hatches were open. It was confirmed engine room door was opened. You can't turn on generators after a power outage so what occurred before power outage. They tried quickly to start engines to turn to shore. The boat listed the way the prop turned, the weight of the water shifted, the crew were standing on the listed side, all passengers aboard would be thrown to that side, it is called gravitational pull. It is definitely crew error. There needed to be two Watches. Hatches at night needed to vle closed with air con hatches. The captain alerted the passengers to the danger. Did he hope to balance the boat by keeping 5.adults at the front and port side in one room. He should have assembled them on deck and given them life vests. The Watch woke him at 2am. That is 2 hours before the sinking . The Watch opened the saloon doors in an upright manner demonstrating he wasn't on the bridge but boat was upright. He chose to putaway cushions. Keel can be deployed in a harbour which has 40 to 50 metres depth. It is only 9.72m. no one knows when a storm will hit. That's why you deploy a keel for greater stability. Sorry to disappoint. Most definitely crew error coupled with Mother Nature and poor vessel design with no escape hatches near cabins. Noone had a life vest!!! Why???

[@courtneysquill8843]

@@offroadoffshore153 There should have been 2 Watches. One fore and one aft the vessel. When the first squall occurred and the Captain was awoken at 20 knots, circa 2am all hatches, doors and Aircon hatches should have been closed and the keel should have been fully deployed to 9.72m and the boat moved into safe harbour until the weather abated. We know there was an attempt to move the boat prior to 03.53 because the engineer said 'I turned on the generators to the hydraulic propellers'. You would only do that if you wanted to move the boat. There was a power outage. What caused this? It must have been caused by water accumulating in the engine room. Notice the boat is turned away from the other boat with the CCTV. Notice the boat lists to starboard side which is the side the boat would turn to reach the harbour. If the boat was turning to face the wind, it would have turned portside. The passengers who survived reported the boat bouncing on the water. I believe this was an attempt to get a waterlogged engine or motor running. If the stern or engine room is too heavy at the rear the bow will raise out of the water causing porpoising or bouncing. I believe they were in a rush to get to harbour as the engine room was flooded. They over trimmed right prop so it turned too quickly. Water would flood to right side. The boat would list. The crew fell off when the first tilt shot back. There was still time to safe it as it only listed slowly the second time as they reboarded. In climbing back on they climbed starboard side clearly as they reported walking on walls and forming a human chain. This capitulated the boat to beyond the angle of stability. The should have climbed on one by one at the bow or stern. Why would 5 passengers be in the same room port side nearer to the front. And a 6th be in portside too. To balance the boat. To counteract the water which had already accumulated starboard side and in the rear engine cavity. When the water swirled starboard side that's what blew the electrics. So when you ask what they should have done it this. They should have taken up anchor and lowered keel to full capacity. They should have without involving electric generators manually manoeuvred the boat very carefully using oars in a wide arc towards the safe harbour where they could have bailed the water out. If that keel has been lowered that boat would not have tilted over. Brittania is a nation of sea farers who never used electronic equipment. They sailed rougher seas than that squall. They survived because all the crew knew what they were doing. In a storm it is better to ride it out than try to control a boat even if you do get tossed about a bit. The Captain had already alerted the passengers about his concerns. What he failed to do was safeguard them by giving them life jackets and bringing them up in deck. If he told them to wait in their cabins he was negligent. The Watch is clearly not taking the weather reports seriously because he thinks it's more important to tidy cushions. He was also not on the bridge when he opened the saloon doors which looked as if they were stuck by his gestures. There were 2 Life raft but only one was deployed. Why? Listen to the crew, then work out what was going on and then you will understand it was crew error.

[@mariacarmelitapiroli3873]

L'inglese tecnico nn lo conosco Traducete per favore In ogni caso, lo yacht era perfettamente funzionante, dunque chi doveva farlo non ha saputo, non è stato in grado di gestire la situazione 😢 Le prove sono le fonti dell' esperienza del giudice dal codice di procedura penale!

[@liryan5312]

The same Media, the same performance, Different Puppet.

[@IPMI_pascal_fanti]

Why neither of the two boat indicated strong winds?

[@brianleabo6295]

But I also get off a lot of respect. To the sea, God and mother nature. And I don’t know what’s under the ocean. All things that give me a very healthy respect of the water.

[@_random_dude]

I have heard of Father God but never about " mother nature" ?

[@rray3630]

The engine room door was NOT open . NOT OPEN

[@BTCxyz369]

This all boils down to... "INCOMPETENCY" Choose your Captain and crew wisely folks, as some mums do have them !

[@aliasif8498]

Just the common sense suggests serious design failure as it sank within 20mins.... Even if the captain or crew made some huge mistake such an expensive yatch shouldn't have sunk so quickly

[@concernedcitizen2076]

What is this Dr. specialized in? "No boats are unsinkable" - well we have come pretty far since the days of Titanic, and we also have state of the art weather reports, big mistakes must have been made by the crew.

[@I_Am_Monad]

What do you call a group of Perini Navi superyachts? A "risk" of yachts.

[@jjsc4396]

Boats at sea sometimes sink. End of story.

[@juliagregory5696]

that yacht at 6.36 is NOT the Bayesian look at the spreaders on the mast

[@alexhayden2303]

Easy enough to bring it up! So?

[@navajojohn9448]

Nothing new.

[@ingeborgswieten3710]

and i never heard so much about sinking boats when refugees are on it.. why? Were they more important? This world is dirty.

[@Wit_Shunter]

It doesn't look 80m by the size of the people on board. Power & Motor Yacht reports 184' which is 55m. kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4uap6yInZeWmdU

[@rolandvencel4256]

Has similarties to Kobe x Helicopter x Thick Fog...

[@gha9543]

Visibility is very important for flying a helicopter or plane.

[@Fighterforjustice-l6y]

Besides Captain and Chief Engineer. All rest of crew very inexperienced and understaffed. The yacht crew are not professional seamen. They are more like amateurs seamen. Definitely with more professional crew this tragedy could have been avoided.

[@gha9543]

Half the crews were2x stewardess , 2x hostess and 1x chef .

[@stephenbonnett164]

How?

[@Fighterforjustice-l6y]

@@stephenbonnett164 What you mean how. Very simple explanation. Half of the crew where not even seamen. On top of that crew very inexperienced and understaffed. On top of that neglect.

[@pauljandersen1759]

NOT 80 METERS

[@dingledav]

Designer over design

[@lightningmcqueen181]

If it was in fact hit with a spout or a Micro burst that yaht was in the wrong place wrong time ..

[@nicoladelglyn8835]

Absolute BS!!! Super Yacht News or eSysman Super Yachts if you want the truth, information from previous captains, engineers, crew, designers - always worth learning from those who actually know their stuff! Not forgetting the Military have issued their weather information & intell showing that the conjecture onhere is wrong

[@heyheynowinga9972]

i see no sinking i see boats and lawn chairs blown about oh and rain yes lots of that

[@GrumpyOldMan9]

The other day a immigrant boat flipped drowning 600 in the same Med. We're waiting for the Sky special "Tragedy off the coast of Lampedusa"

[@ingeborgswieten3710]

'the' great big arc of Noah was 🙂

[@pauljandersen1759]

NOT 60 SECONDS ‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@anthonyxuereb792]

True, it was a safe boat having been built in 2008, that's 16 years of sailing. Incidents involving anglo saxons will always attract more public interest naturally.

[@pedroferreira4695]

Demonic event

[@pauljandersen1759]

BE PROFESSIONAL AS A PROFESSIONAL JOURNALIST 🗝☑️

[@jon50334]

This was set up.

[@yvonnelessick9880]

😢😢😢sorry to be nasty and beasty perhaps would have been better if yacht had been built-in Gdansk Poland. The ship building dockyard also for yachts. Absolutely. No offence to Italian ship building. Or even Italy. Itself. Eastern Bloc country's could have better thing and TECHNOLOGY

[@mahmoudzohrabnia4311]

Long mast strong wind and open hatch plus human error what else you are looking for.probably mj live music in Italy

[@HappyYummmy]

gme relstion

[@BelieverofChrist-d1b]

THIS WAS JUDGMENT FROM GOD. ITS PROPHESIED BY THE MASTERS VOICE PROPHECY BLOG

[@Ross-b8r]

Pointless old content’ pffffttt

[@simonjelovcan58]

The sailboats can sink (also in shallow waters) in is not the main problem in this case. How quick is very problematic. No one of the crew was in control of the main entrance in the soolon or/and main control cookpit. The Capitan is to blame, he was responsible.

[@BluesJames]

There is no impact on the broader community. A few rich people died

[@RosemaryOltarzewski]

Oh brutal 😮

[@eugyero958]

Stop with the bs of global warming then global cooling then hey lets just call ot climate change.

[@IOSALive]

Sky News Australia, You're fantastic! Let's be friends and have fun!

[@VitZ9]

Rich people problems. 🥱 Does this _really_ need to be investigated though? Are the families _really_ desperate for answers? Because it's a pretty simple equation, I can answer their questions right now. The boat sunk because of the storm, and someone left a hatch or door open. That's it. No mystery. People saying "but why did it sink so fast?" probably know everything they know about ships from watching Titanic, which was an abnormally slow sinking, around 2 hours. Most ships go down very quickly, the Lusitania went down in 18 minutes, and the USS Indianapolis sunk in 12 minutes. A comparatively small little yacht like that could easily capsize and sink under 60 seconds, that's really not a mystery at all.