Comparing the Cessna 182 to a 206

[@dymphnacatford8613]

Too much “geek” is never enough Mark. In fact, that’s why we like watching you. Appreciate the mention. The time we spent staying at your AirB&B, was a highlight of our time in North America. And for the record, Adelaide not Perth. Keep up the excellent content.

[@v1rotait23]

"Aussie, Aussie, Aussie"!😎

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Bill and Dymphna. Glad you saw this. Thank you for the gifts.

[@richardkimrey]

As usual, your cessna product knowledge is awesome. Most people don't realize it took years of experience to be able to cover that much info without notes. My hat is off to you !

[@n2091m]

Field trained knowledge 👍

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yes it was. Thanks.

[@aorton7829]

I wish Mark would write a book!

[@andrewstombaugh9318]

Thank you so much for making this video. I absolutely loved the excellent footage you take of these cars (the 90's had some very cool ones in my opinion) and the escort made me smile. I had friends who drove escorts while I drove a 4-door acclaim. I was always jealous of the sporty handling and looks of their cars, but would smile when it came time to pile people in because the acclaim had way more room. Good video! More from this era, please!!!!

[@blakechinn5792]

I really enjoyed this video with the details Mark . Your channel is KZbin gold

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I wish 1,000,000 other people thought so too.

[@livefreeandfly]

Your egress from the cargo door with the flaps down was priceless, I bought an early 206 recently and thought I only had one door to egress. Your videos are extremely rewarding and enjoyable!!!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

It's a great word . Egress

[@livefreeandfly]

An even better word when you need it.🪂

[@av8bvma513]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 Apollo Space Program nomenclature.

[@markbryan9989]

Always informative! Get as geeky as you want. It is interesting! Thanks Mark.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I appreciate that, glad you enjoyed it!

[@kevinmurphy3464]

Two cool videos back to back with one on aircraft and the other on the coolest jet powered mower/tug ever. Big thanks to Mark and Don.

[@jlmmag72]

Great content as always! Keep the shows coming.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks. I will.

[@officialbritishtaxpayer5609]

Don't worry about the geekiness Mark! Those model year differences are useful to know! This video covers two of my favourite Cessnas - I always adored the 182: my late uncle Al was a US Marines test pilot and summed up the 182 as "A fine airplane". Coming from him, that was a real compliment. I am lucky enough these days to act as talking ballast in a 1966 182J with STOL wingtips and it's a gorgeous aircraft to fly in.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Are you in England?

[@officialbritishtaxpayer5609]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 Hello there, yes I am.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

@@officialbritishtaxpayer5609 Having a 182 in England must be expensive to run. How much is a gallon of Avgas over there now.

[@officialbritishtaxpayer5609]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 Good question! After our upcoming budget on Thursday it'll be even worse! Over here it's sold in litres and is around £2.40 per litre which is where it's been for the last couple of years.where we are based but does vary a bit. Our (should I say my friend's) aircraft is a 1966 model 182J and has just shy of 5700 hours with a new interior and paint in 2019. She's had just 3 owners since new, the current owner since 1994. Being a J of that age she has the spring steel undercarriage and bladder fuel tanks which have had to be repaired in the last decade or so. Basically she is reliable, comfortable and trouble-free. A 3 blade prop replaced the original 2 blade about 6 years ago which gives a few inches more ground clearance and she is used on business as well as for touring the country - she can get into short and unimproved strips.

[@mikemc330]

Great video, Mark!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

[@ronstowe8898]

Love these videos. Very informative. Can’t get enough of all the ‘geek’ technical info.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Kind of went over the top on that one.

[@Kiwi0Six]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 Not in my view! 😊

[@desertshooter007]

Great video Mark! I just took N182LJ back to Best Aviation for my first annual and they said to say hello. Take care up there my friend.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thank you.

[@mwitimoss1974]

Good,I have learnt a lot about Cessnas from you.Keep up

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Glad to help.

[@louisboshoff9142]

Mark, I absolutely love your comparison videos. Please carry on with the geeky stuff, I am an ex aircraft tech and a pilot. You can't give me too much info!😅 plus, I am a Cessna fan.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Oh boy. The pressure.

[@davefost]

And that is why this channel is called 'Skywagon UNIVERSITY'. I love it!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks.

[@jeepjeffy04]

Perfect timing for this video! In looking at both now. Can’t figure out how the 2 can be so similar but the 206 is 3x the price!🤣

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Rarity and supply and demand.

[@jasongates5576]

A guy on our field has an experimental 185 that they put 206 wings on, very cool set up. The flaps took some working, but they kept the Johnson bar

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

That would be interesting to see.

[@ottob.884]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yeah that sounds wild

[@davidnelson4707]

thank you for the explanation on the cessna 206P . We had 5 of these when I was teenager and remember climbing in the rear small door on the rear of the fuselage. A number of people have told me i was wrong about the door configuration. I was certain about the rear small door and the right hand door also. We found if it fitted in a cessna 206 it would lift it . I can remember a 44 gallon drum of AVGAS and a couple of 5 gallon drums of oil and boxes of beer for resupplying and other supplies and the cessna 206 lifted off “OK”. Plus the OAT was around 95deg.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Those were P206's

[@rlsmith6904]

I love it. I will be watching this one twice. Thank you, Mark.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

You bet! Twice is just the start!

[@av8bvma513]

Haha! Mark! The transcript for your astonishingly detailed and fascinating presentation runs Two Hundred Six Pages! (206!)

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

H aha ha thanks

[@michaelrice500]

Very good! Another 206 thing I've seen often is a dent in the bottom of the right flap from doing pre-flights while someone left the rear door open. 206 is my lotto dream airplane. Fantastic airplanes.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yes, they can hit but there is a button there that de-activates the flaps if the rear doors are open. The 64 206 does not have this. One that is not adjusted properly and does not deactivate the flaps will hit the door and it will crush it. That old Ford wiper motor in there that drives the flaps has a lot of power through it's gearbox.

[@loddude5706]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 C206 parachute aircraft (flown with cargo doors off) usually have the door switch 'bridged', & so yes, most do have the 'wrinkles of despair' on that door's top : )

[@moonmullins8227]

My favorite Cessna to fly the 206 and I have been to Perth, AU. Great video.

[@Kiwi0Six]

Thanks for another awesome video!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I am glad you liked it.

[@owenmiller9906]

Interesting tidbit on the 182P (and probably other Cessna models). In the 1976 model year, they switched from MPH to knots on the airspeed. I fly a 1975 182P that was built in late November of 1975, but the airspeed is in knots. I found the POH addendum from Cessna for August 1975 showing the change.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Very true. Thanks.

[@innovativeintelligence4172]

Great tutorial Mark, both beautiful airplanes...

[@oliverhonger7110]

another exceptional video! thanks so much for sharing these details. very interesting.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@technomentis]

Thank you! Another great video.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@ThomasHornblow]

Love watching your videos mark and regurgitating any info when I see 180s or 185s at our local aero club in NZ

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Excellent. I like the thought of that. You pointing out if a plane has a float kit or not in NZ. Thank you.

[@davidpearn5925]

Absolutely love revisiting 60s - 70s Moorabbin Australia - and almost the same old cargo aircraft we used 6 days/52 weeks - carting newspapers throughout Victoria......all weather. Amazing that lawyers stopped advancement in the basics ...... seemingly til this day.

[@jeffhale5569]

Good video Mark!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks!

[@mrnelson928]

Love your videos Great evaluation….. & great Aviator

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks for the kind words.

[@ronrandall9215]

Would love to see you describe and fly an 85 HP globe Swift. Many hours with my dad in ours as a teenager. I'm not sure if there are any left flying. Most have been converted to larger engine. Just a wish. Lol. You would enjoy the experience.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I'd love to try one out!

[@SuperGolfguy]

Love these videos ❤

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks!

[@davidspeyers]

3 holes on the 206 would let air into the nose gear "wheel well" area for cooling. This was a common place to remote mount avionics equipment. The turbo induction air inlet is on the right hand (copilot) side of the cowling. The left side is just closed and looks similar for aesthetics of the nose bowl cowling. Non-turbo 206 (and 210) have the air inlet at the left rear of the baffling behind the #2 cylinder... as you probably know. Now we need a 206 vs 210 video. Is the 182 rear square window the same size at the 210 rear square window?

[@SkylaneGuy]

Actually, the pilot side air inlet on the turbo 206 is used for cabin heat. It’s not blocked off.

[@davidspeyers]

@@SkylaneGuy I stand corrected. The model I am familiar with is a ‘80 and the nose cowling is different. The heater inlet is lower, on the front baffling near the prop governor and not visible from the front view outside.

[@cameronscarlett4025]

Always fly with 60 lbs in the rear baggage of my P210 to stay within cg limits when it's just the wife and I. Always impressed with the encyclopedic knowledge of year and model specifics!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

It's a good idea in the early planes.

[@5xls]

A wealth of knowledge!

[@ianolennon5845]

Mark great comparison my Dad used to fly a 182Q in Ireland and just loved it. Another good comparison video would be the Super Decathlon and Citabria. But you got to do one on the Decathlon anyway and fly it

[@flyer5769]

First time I flew in Alaska was in 1984. Flying 206's but mostly 207's out of Bethel Alaska. Back then the 207 was insured for 7 adult seats! That was really fascinating. At least for me. I have little time in the 207's and sixes that had the wing that the ailerons that would drupe the first 10° of flap extension. Any information on that would be greatly appreciated if it ever comes up.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

That is a Robertson STOL Kit and works very well on 206's and 207's and on float-planes for reasons that I will go into in a STOL video.

[@ph5915]

What a wealth of details to keep straight between the models there!!!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Went a bit crazy on that one.

[@ph5915]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 haha, no, it was fine and interesting. I'm just amazed keeping all those details together! Way to go!

[@peterschnaubelt1903]

Excellent comparison! Thank you my friend!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

You are welcome!

[@jrs9144]

Great video again, Mister Aircraft Knowledge,. Could you do a video on a Pilatus PC-6?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Good Lord, Do I know anything about one. I could interview an owner of one if anyone has one.

[@mts592]

Love the information 👍

[@bernardanderson3758]

I’ve hauled freight with all the seats out back years ago and love how the Normal aspirated operate Mark

[@JSBIRD69]

I hauled jumpers in 182's and 206/207's for a long time. Got over 2000 hrs in one TP206A alone. Great birds all.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Nice. TP206A. Was it a 1966? Turbo and passenger.

[@JSBIRD69]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yes, it was a 1966. The pax door made it easy to haul and launch staticline and short delay students, but could still accommodate a tight 6 way or tandem exit. Unfortunately, N4635F was destroyed by a careless pilot.

[@FINSuojeluskunta]

I had to install new fuel bladders in a 182P, learned a lot lol there really is no guide for doing that nightmare of a job

[@anthonycyr9657]

Fun fact is when you compare the new 182 to the new 206, the 182 is actually longer, 29ft vs 28'3ft for the 206, great video 2nd ride ever was in a 206.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I've noticed that they look longer. The new 182's

[@jeffwatson8862]

That was always the case. So what?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

@@jeffwatson8862 It is an just an observation.

[@anthonycyr9657]

@@jeffwatson8862 run along..

[@jimanderson1355]

Your depth of Cessna trivia is in-rivaled in my experience. Impressive! I delivered a new turbo U206 in ‘78, spec’s out with leather seating, carpeted floor and autopilot. I think it sold in the mid-30’s.

[@gmonnig]

Hahahaha, that phone ring. Wouldn’t be a complete video without it!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Sorry. It's not planned.

[@gmonnig]

@@skywagonuniversity5023hopefully it means business is good!

[@bernardanderson3758]

Both high performance aircraft are my favorites and the hours that was spent in the aircraft industry have changed on the new ones and prices

[@David-vf9de]

The U 206 is my favorite Cessna. I've flown 120, 140, 150, 152, 180, 182, 185, 206, 210. One major difference is the stability in the 206 in turbulence vs 182. I have about 1500 hrs in a U206 and about 400 in 182's. The U206 is not really fast, climb rate isn't anything to write home about, but capacity and ability to handle turbulence is pretty amazing for it's size. The U 206 is amazingly easy to land as long as you understand it requires about 1700 to land. Land with power, not power off.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

That is true. Coming out of Mammoth once in a 206 I was in an updraft at 1500 FPM and it rode it round and round like a glider until I had the height to cross the Sierras. Great planes. Very stable.

[@stubryant9145]

So the early 210's which shared the same wings then have wing struts? Never noticed or had forgotten that. I imagine those were similar years that had the trap door wheel wells, right? Spoke with the owner of a 205 years ago out on the flight line at FAT. Interesting transition model.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yes, exactly. 64, 65 and 66 210's are 206 retractables in effect. Only turbo version of those is a 1966, so if you see a strutted 210 with a turbo, It is a 1966.

[@livnrluvsng]

Don't forget the other two beautiful variations of the 182; 182RG and TR182 which is my aircraft.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I have done many videos on the TR 182 RG. Look through my channel.

[@livnrluvsng]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yes thanks I've looked at a few after seeing this one.

[@AndyRRR0791]

Can you compare the DH82a and the C182A next...?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I'd have to have both here.

[@AndyRRR0791]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 You didn't buy a Moth a little while back...?

[@gendaminoru3195]

Leslie G. Frise (1895-1979), a British engineer, provided an aero balanced to improve hinge moment and require less control force input.. Douglas twinjets through MD-90's have them but are not the largest airplanes to have them. You can see them on Convair B-36's and Boeing 377's. Spruce Goose?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks. Interesting. British.

[@av8bvma513]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 "...Britannia Rules the Waves..."

[@tomedgar4375]

Not a Cessna guy but enjoyed the geekyness

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Excellent.

[@aolson8283]

Am I the only person who looks forward to the phone call in the video???

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

They are literally not staged.

[@paulnieuwenhoven5842]

Which is your favourite Cessna single engine aircraft?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Easy answer. A 1980 or newer 182 Turbo RG for practicality. 185 for fun.

[@paulnieuwenhoven5842]

@@skywagonuniversity5023 like it, I used to fly 182 RG

[@davidpearn5925]

I did about a thousand hours on the 3 blade 206 .....a great workhorse. Some in the prior,, 2 blade 205 .....and unfortunately some in the awful 207 .....a stable slug. 1966-1973

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

You've seen all the differences first hand.

[@PA30Crewchief]

Factory oxygen was an option in the 182. My 1969 182M came with it.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yes, true you could special order it.

[@genxpilot69]

Mark is like the David Attenborough of GA aircraft!😀

[@wayneschenk5512]

Great planes

[@garyowen9044]

Why would there be foam in the elevator? It must do something other than being fertile ground for corrosion.

[@Timoftx1776]

Lightweight structural rigidity

[@wespotter6985]

Why does the 210 vs 206 have no wing struts

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

210's have wing struts until 1967. The 66's, 65's and 64's are all "206 RGs" I'll have to get a later model one in.

[@davidspeyers]

206 vs 210 videos next!

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yes, If I have both here at the same time.

[@FlyingNDriving]

Holy moly, what a nerd out fest.... Phone call, toob talk, bowling joke.... This is skywagon University at it's best!!!! Well done Mark. (Also believe it's a "freeze" type aileron, at least that's how i say it in American)

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks. I'm still getting used to the words over here in the Colonies.

[@Wr-7-t-l8i]

206 in and out of beautiful country coastal Alaska, carries a TON😅

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I used to work in Yakutat before I was a pilot.

[@joe90000000000]

plus the 206 costs an extra quintillion dollars

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

New ones are a bazillion.

[@garyowen9044]

When airplane people are throwing around numbers like that, you know it’s expensive!

[@wespotter6985]

Wet wing vs bladders

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Not a lot to say there other than 1979 and newer are wet wings. Maybe STOL kits and fuel tanks can be a video.

[@aviator657]

⁠@@skywagonuniversity5023I would love to see a video on these topics.

[@keithniemi5834]

Great

[@craigchadwick2504]

your reach is 10 feet?

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Each side is 5 feet. 5 x 2 or I'm a Gorilla.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

With a 10 foot reach, the UFC banned Mark from competition. Such is life. - Don the Camera Guy

[@downwithreactionaries9031]

the lycoming 540 engine for T206H, TBO is 2000 now.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Correct, but we were talking about the Continental powered planes.

[@JimMack-g1d]

How Maahk keeps all this in his head is beyond me.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

I watched Mark walk up to an airplane and within seconds say, "Oh! This airplane has been damaged." How did he know? The RIVETS. There was a line of rivets that were out of place! Blew my mind. - Don the Camera Guy.

[@jag12549]

The 182 must have had some work done by someone who lost TDC when they had the prop off. See how it stops up on the pilot side. It should stop up passenger side so it can be hand propped. A classic sign of less than good workmanship

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Not at all. Mark moved the prop into that position during the video so we could show the air filter better. You can see the prop in the correct position after moving it on Mark's sales site (link below). Not sure why your first instinct would be to criticize someone's work without concrete information, but the plane has been properly maintained. You can view the log books on the sales site as well. www.skywagons.com/airplane-for-sale/1974-cessna-182p-skylane-dollar175000-here-at-placerville-n877cb Don the Camera Guy

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Not only that, a two blade is indexed to go on only two ways. And you can line it up on a mag in the correct position in three places. And it will stop on a higher compression cylinder that might not be the correct position for hand propping. And how often do you hand prop a 182. I'm surprised that after ALL that information, you had to find a fault.

[@bristocamino9376]

Geeky is good.

[@antiGAE1776]

I was watching casusally and not paying super close attention. I had to rewind a couple of times to keep track of which plane you had said you were talking about. Maybe an on screen annotation of what plane it was while you were talking would help or just be nice. Just some thoughts/constructive criticism. Thanks.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Thanks.

[@FlyingNDriving]

2:55 I feel like I'm watching a Japanese dub of my favorite KZbin channel. The lips are moving but the words don't match

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

Yeah ... I can't explain that one. The audio is laid down over the video at the time we shoot. Other videos, I have separate audio and video and have to sync them. This one should have been synced automatically. Good catch. Our next video will be Godzilla vs Mark Pilkington, complete with mismatched video. - Don the Camera Guy.

[@skywagonuniversity5023]

In jolty slow motion