Slackware Package Management With Serge

This video is a follow-up to the first video I did with Serge ( / @serge5046 ) on Slackware: • Slackware Current With...
In this video, Serge walks me through some of the package management tools available in Slackware. We install some of my favorite programs: leafpad, ranger, deadbeef, xfe and clementine.
Building a package the "traditional way":
www.slackwiki.com/Building_A_...
Variables for installation directories:
www.gnu.org/prep/standards/ht...
SlackBuilds
www.slackbuilds.org
Sbopkg:
sbopkg.org/index.php
Sbotools:
pink-mist.github.io/sbotools/
To fix the errors with sbotools:
github.com/pink-mist/sbotools...
github.com/yukiisbored/sbotoo...
Donate to Slackware developer Patrick Volkerding:
www.paypal.me/volkerdi
ERRATUM:
In the video, Serge mentions that sbopkg cannot solve dependencies which is correct but incomplete. In recent versions, they have added a tool called sqg ( sbopkg.org/queues.php )
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[@BadWolfPlays66]

Great video. Now you learned how I did when I went to Slackware back in 1996. That was a hard learn for me back then. You have to remember I had just left Win95 and all of that was new to me. But, if I can learn it, anyone can. lol

[@serge5046]

We'll do a live stream on Slackware current part II this Friday at 8:30 PM French time here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXTdkpycftB8oK8 Cheers

[@dennishallman3713]

@@serge5046 Hi Mr. Serge, I heard you mention that obarun was maybe your find of 2019. That interested me and I have installed it. Beautiful desktop. I have ran into a problem installing Gnome-disk and gnome sys monitor. Says it cannot meet it's dependencies. I have searched to no avail for an answer. I am curious about what is your take on it? Thank you and my apologies to Derek for using your channel to communicate with someone else. Love your channel!

[@serge5046]

@@dennishallman3713 This is normal the package gnome-disk-utility from arch has systemd-libs in its dependencies. To get it installed on Obarun you need to edit the PKGBUILD and remove that dependency from the line depends and replace it with elogind. But you need first to install that package from the AUR and compile it. Then you can compile the gnome-disk-utility. For gnome-system-monitor it has systemd in its dependencies so it is the same procedure you need to edit the PKGBUILD and remove the systemd from the line depends and compile it. You might have to execute other actions if you encounter any issue(s). It would be better for you to try to install Gentoo Gnome 3 without systemd by following Dantrell's guide on the Gentoo forums. You would get gnome-disk-utility and gnome-system-monitor through portage. Cheers

[@Hierrussalimsky]

я сам такой же. Использую Слакварь с 2006 года - всё нравится. (но иногда резко не хватает какой-то мелочи... и тогда AntiX выручает)

[@peumofran2278]

You caring about Slackware and showing it makes me happy. I started living in Slackware last year, and I gotta say. Configuring it is so pleasantly simple. That helps me understand and manage my system better. As I went learning about packages, I made myself tagfiles which select my desired packages when making new installations or installing new package sets. People freak out about the lack of automatic dependency resolution; but when you learn about the packages that you need, the system becomes much more clear to you, and you can think of ways to compile your packages to choose your preferred dependencies. Because of that, Slackware is a good passage to Gentoo. As I used Slack more and more, Gentoo began making a lot of sense. But what I like about Slackware is that you don't have to compile everything to get security updates; and that making your own Slackware packages to install and uninstall is hands-on, beautiful and dead simple. Slack is in that sweet spot between binaries and compiling. Good video, DT. Great channel!

[@DistroTube]

Thanks, peumo fan. Slackware has been a real joy to play around in.

[@andrewpalm2103]

Very interesting to see how things were done in "ancient" times. So happy to have package managers now! Thanks, Derek.

[@DistroTube]

>So happy to have package managers now! Does make you appreciate things like apt and pacman a bit more. :D

[@serge5046]

Hello Andrew! It is a question of habit. I'll take an analogy with the road marking. Let us suppose there were no stops, no lights and so on.... At each crossroads you would need to pay attention (the Slackware way). With all the road markings, people drive as if nothing could happen because the lights are green for instance (the distributions with a package manager). At some stage you get an update and in Arch it breaks your system, in Debian it tells you it will not install a library because it is in conflict with another but the library to be installed after the update is required by yet another package (so apparently impossible to solve). In Slackware that scenario never happens: you are the only one to decide! PS: This video is self explanatory kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6HPgaKkZ7xpp8k Enjoy it!

[@andrewpalm2103]

Thanks for the reply, Serge! I understand The Slackware Way and have great respect for it. I did my first mainframe Fortran II compiling in the mid-1960's and still compile C programs for microcontrollers as a hobby in retirement. But I am a latecomer to Linux and am quite ignorant when it comes to PCs and OSs. But your excellent videos with Derek have me thinking about trying a Slackware installation. Cheers.

[@serge5046]

@Andrew Then you could have a look at these playlists to help you: kzbin.infoplaylists kzbin.info/aero/PLnxWfoLB3vcpjDffNaQ-tJw2ERp5dpsqo Cheers

[@serge5046]

@bulletfreak Indeed, Slackware has the simplest package management with the highest efficiency. To solve the dependencies it is up to you. When you launch the application/program you'll get the message(s) anyway. And you can always look after the output of ldd $(which ) replacing by its real name without the or do the same for a library. This will tell you a lot! Best regards.

[@redrobbosworkshop]

Very informative. Serge is fantastic - a living Linux encyclopedia.

[@serge5046]

We'll do a live stream on Slackware current part II this Friday at 8:30 PM French time here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXTdkpycftB8oK8 Cheers

[@Picasanta]

I love this Sir Serge; what a correct person! I've made my first slackware package installation! Great!

[@4clive]

Serge certainly knows his Slackware onions.

[@kc2bez]

Serge is an oracle. Wonderful video, thanks to both of you.

[@Nerdamania]

Well, with Slackware you really are in control of your system.

[@tubelarasa]

I really like your collaborations, high quality informative content!

[@DistroTube]

Thanks, tubela!

[@serge5046]

Hello tubelarasa! You'll be glad to hear that we have some pleasant surprise for users like you! :)

[@tubelarasa]

Glad indeed! And curious !! :D

[@miyolinux]

Serge never ceases to amaze...what a great guy! Serge, if you see this, thank you for all that you do to help people! To all others...Serge isn't only a Linux guru. He's proficient in MANY areas. :)

[@serge5046]

Hello ML! Today (Wednesday the 29th of August) on EB's channel at 6 PM English time you'll have the possibility to watch the third part aof live stream installation of Gentoo in VBox with the participation of Adrien, the French dev of Calculate. The subject of this third part will be the installation of a DE. English Bob has given his preference: XFCE This will be more interesting than just watching lines of compilation flying before your eyes! And Adrien has shown how to install Gentoo on bare metal and how to cope with a kernel upgrade on real hardware: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3zWqXSvjLB8jK8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqmne4yQrtWVm80 EB's channel (now called PunchBag!!!): kzbin.info/door/jLSKO00DqkEPHn6lr6tpFQ Cheers

[@miyolinux]

@@serge5046 I wish I were able to watch it live. Perhaps I can see it later! Thank you Serge!

[@serge5046]

@@miyolinux We'll do a live stream on Slackware current part II this Friday at 8:30 PM French time here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXTdkpycftB8oK8 Cheers

[@miyolinux]

@@serge5046 What amazing timing! I just wiped ArchBang from my computer...and I am deeply considering taking the Slackware plunge! I hope to catch it live. If not, I hope it will be available afterwards! Thank you Serge! :)

[@serge5046]

@@miyolinux Then before installing it on your hardware watch the live stream or the replay: I'll give plenty of useful tips and tricks!

[@danke5356]

The camera angle is dope :D Keep it like this!

[@HeiderJeffer]

God damn DT. I love watching you work :)

[@mjtullio]

Great video guys! I've just installed Slackware current and I'm using the sboui application to manage packages built from SlackBuilds, it comes with a neat forward and inverse dependency resolution, very recommended! Also slapt-get and gslapt for package management. I recommend adding the Alien Bob's 'Alien' repository too.

[@serge5046]

We'll do a live stream on Slackware current part II this Friday at 8:30 PM French time here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXTdkpycftB8oK8 Cheers

[@Iskall91]

This channel is great. Keep it up, dude. Subbed.

[@geraldcragg9313]

Good video, thanks to you both...!!!

[@DistroTube]

Thanks, gerald.

[@marinosavraam]

Slackware Linux. I tried this distribution. It's a puzzler. Very stable operation. Very good and difficult distribution for those who know the command line secrets.

[@ericblair9253]

Thanks guys! Loving the MySpace angle here dt haha

[@dadogh]

Very informative video. Thanks!

[@gregzeng]

Good to actually see and hear the haters of GUI operating systems. Lovers of alphanumeric tedium would also love Gentoo even more IMHO.

[@guilherme5094]

Great video.

[@dickindynamo]

Damn, Slackware sure has changed since I last used it as a daily driver. Just might start doing that again...

[@CrustyAbsconder]

To anybody curious about this week's Tumbleweed update, Tumbleweed version is now "20180820." Kernel is only 4.18.0 ( meaning, it is about 2 weeks behind the latest stable version ). Mesa 1.18.6-205, Xorg 1.20.1, systemd 237-11.2, KDE Apps 18.04.3, glibc 2.27.6-1, Qt 5.11.1-3, rpm-4.14.1-9.1, dbus-1-1.12.6-1.4, etc. About 600 packages updated, most of which appeared to be dependencies. LIbreOffice is now 6.1.0.3-1.3. Firefox is 6.0.2-1.1. Grub2 has been lightly tweeked to 2.02-31.2. In summary, it has later versions of components than what you would see on Linux Mint, or even OpenSuSE Leap 15, or even Mageia 6. ( Mageia is allegedly working on an iso called "6.1." ) As far as I can tell, this new tiny update to Tumbleweed is functional or nominal. However, my icons on the lower panel are not opening. And there were numerous error messages during the upgrade process. One wayland package asked to be downloaded ?? Wayland 1.15.0-1, is using kwin as the wayland compositor ( with kwayland 5.48.0-1 ). Feel free to correct me on any of the above. I still feel like I am a Tumbleweed novice. I think from now on, I am going to update all my distros without logging in ( meaning via tty as root before login ). Meaning, I no longer need to use the graphical menus, or even be in the desktop environment. I think that comfortablity puts me beyond the stage of a Linux desktop novice.

[@skiwarz]

Which DE are you using? I've never seen that rainbow colored bar at the top, but it looks pretty cool

[@CrustyAbsconder]

Hey Distrohuggers, My Siduction install is running kernel 4.18.5, and it seems to be fine. I am still not yet sure if I am updating properly. Is the only way to do it is to logout and use the the tty as root and use "apt-get dist-upgrade" ??

[@MsDuketown]

that was a great question discussed at debconf 2014, 14 august. RMS Ignatius had a speech and since then industry proceeded with products regarding package management.

[@dragonek_gnu_linux_pl]

is so excited to know how to use these distros like slackware or gentoo bcuse arch is not so extremly hard than building pkgs at slackware or gentoo

[@torspedia]

From watching that, don’t think that I will be running Slackware anytime soon. Just seemed a far too complicated and drawn out process.

[@DistroTube]

This distro is certainly not for everyone. Package management is the big hurdle for most people so that is why we focused so much on that aspect in this video and the previous one.

[@themroc8231]

though sbo tools in the end seemed really convenient, almost pacman-level convenient I'd say.

[@ethanavior_sd4488]

@@themroc8231 sboui is better IMO it tracks the deps and orders the install automaticlly

[@NewmanOnGaming]

Slackware isn’t like it was in the 90s. It’s a lot easier now.

[@sergbormant8404]

> You have mail on login is another intresting thing. This is a good idea to read mail, doesn't it? # mail There are two letters. First about Linux Counter. And other about Slackware itself. Do you read it? Press on "? " prompt 2 Enter Use Enter to scroll (h Enter for more actions). Have fun ^)

[@tokajileo5928]

i have some virtual netware 6 system and I needed the slack to mount those volumes, ncp. ncpmount needed to be installed on 14.2. It was a nightmare, it worked on olde versions but could not install to 14.2. I needed to ask a friend who is expert and he did it but it was a struggle. Finally it works. I am more or less experienced in linux but still there are things that makes you suffer when you want to isntall it. I hate win and am fan of linux, do not get me wrong but it is still not a user friendly system no wonder most people use win.

[@sergbormant8404]

Slackware setup doesn't create regular user. It is recommended to add it after the first login: # adduser As for me, using system as root isn't good idea at all.

[@serge5046]

Hello Serg! We covered this in the previous video and we did create a regular user in that previous video. Cheers

[@themroc8231]

The default software selection is really weird. I get two chess games but no archive manager (maybe you have ark in kde but I only installled xfce)? I get seamonkey but no torrent client? I fail to see the logic in those decisions. Otherwise so far so good.

[@serge5046]

Hello themroc! Don't forget that in the past people using Slackware did prefer the CLI whenever possible. For Ark they used tar, instead of a torrent client in the past they were using ftp from the CLI. There are nowadays plenty of CLI torrent clients: rtorrent, deluge-console, transmission-cli, aria2, ctorrent, webtorrent, and so on... And as you have seen it once you've repeated the installation of a package via one method or another it isn't that difficult. So you can always add the packages that are missing for you: Linux is freedom and choice. In Slackware you are the only master on board! :) Cheers

[@themroc8231]

Yes that makes sense. I guess we are spoiled nowadays. I need to improve my cli kung-fu.

[@themroc8231]

BTW are you in France? I was born there, lived there until i was 26 years old, I was fron Bourg-la-Reine, a small suburban town at the south of Paris. I live in Buenos Aires now.

[@serge5046]

@themroc No I live in Belgium in the south of the country. I've been in Paris but mainly in the known and famous parts of it like most of the tourists.

[@themroc8231]

Same here, I only have been to the most touristy parts of Belgium when I was a kid (Bruxelles, Gand and Bruges) Two other questions and I promise I will stop bothering you: is there an option I can add to # slackpkg remove [package name] to make it detect and remove unused dependencies? And if I blacklist a program that has dependencies and run # slackpkg clean-system will it break it's dependencies? (I keep writing in English in case these questions and answers are useful to others)

[@sergbormant8404]

Some notes: 1) SBo have READMEs on every package with list of dependencies, 2) sbopkg can show README, so no need to try build to know about deps, 3) sbopkg supports nice command line options, so to see README and install xfe is good enough: # sbopkg -R -i fox-toolkit -i xfe 4) sbopkg package supplys sqg -- slackbuild query generator, so for xfe is good enough: # sqg -p xfe ## generate quefile # sbopkfg -i xfe.sqf ## download, build and install

[@serge5046]

Hello Serg! 1) and 2) Yes but the README of clementine doesn't tell what you need: Clementine is a modern music player and library organiser. Clementine is a port of Amarok 1.4, with some features rewritten to take advantage of Qt4. Features: * Search and play your local music library * Listen to internet radio from Last.fm and SomaFM * Edit tags on MP3 and OGG files, organise your music * Cross-platform - works on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux * Native desktop notifications on Linux (libnotify) and Mac OS X (Growl) Optional dependencies: gst-plugins-bad (for http support) gst-plugins-ugly (for mp3 support) gst-libav (for m4a support) gst0-ffmpeg (for various decoding support) sparsehash (for various online services) libspotify and libqca (for Spotify support) (not on SBo) vlc But reading the "This requires" for clementine and for each package mentioned and its dependencies is possible what sbotools does. 3) As sbopkg was the only tool from the three which has a kind of graphical illustration (the ncurses window) Derek did ask me not to confine ourselves to the CLI only (some viewers don't like it, see my previous answer to your comment about the script) :P :) 4) The queue generated by sqg is mentioned in the ERRATUM above the comments but below the video and I told Derek in an email about it giving the full path of the queuefile. :P :) Cheers

[@sergbormant8404]

About clementine or another package with tree-like deps: # sbopkg -R -i clementine can help if you don't want use sqg. It will show first level of deps: REQUIRES="chromaprint cryptopp libechonest protobuf" Now select Quit and run # sbopkg -R -i chromaprint -i cryptopp -i libechonest -i protobuf -i clementine We can see the second level of deps now. Now select Quit and run # sbopkg -R -i chromaprint -i cryptopp -i libechonest -i pytz -i python-dateutil -i python-gflags -i google-apputils -i protobuf -i clementine We can see the 3rd level of deps now. Now select Quit and run # sbopkg -R -i chromaprint -i cryptopp -i libechonest -i pytz -i six -i python-dateutil -i python-gflags -i google-apputils -i protobuf -i clementine We can see that all required deps are ok now. And we also see all READMEs with optional deps at every step. Now we can process our commandline queue or Quit and add some optional deps from READMEs and repeat until all deps will be met. But more simple: # sqg -p clementine # sbopkg -R -i clementine.sqf -R show READMEs and give a chance to do additional steps, for ex. add optional deps or take in account any individual instructions. Another usable option is -k to don't build already installed packages. Installing from binary 3rd party repos (not building from source) with slackpkg / slackpkg+, slapt-get, gslapt or other PM is another big deal ^)

[@serge5046]

@Serg One could as well type sqg -p "libechonest cryptopp chromaprint six setuptools-scm python-dateutil google-apputils python-gflags pytz protobuf clementine" -o clemqueue && sbopkg -i clemqueue just by reading the pages on the slackbuilds.org web site Of course if you wish to add options this is not the way to go. slackpkg+ and other tools will be shown in the third part. slapt-get, gslapt are used by Salix and Vector Linux mainly. I've shown in the first video how to install a package from pkgs.org (the easiest way for a newbie in the absence of slapt-get/gslapt and sbotools) Salix has a Package Search on his web site and if you put the name of a package when in the Salix Package Search window you can find out about the dependencies of that package Cheers

[@sergbormant8404]

One note about Salix and slapt-get / gslapt. The upstream slapt-get from jaos.org uses default Slackware PM (pkgtools, i.e. installpkg, removepkg commands) as a backend to actual installing and removing packages. Salix starting with 13.37 uses patch to replace pkgtools backend with spkg. Usualy Salix packages can be directly used for Slackware, but slapt-get is one of exeptions at least if you don't like spkg ^) > if you wish to add options this is not the way to go Why not? Simply add needed optional packages to queue file with text editor in build order. Moreover you can add not only packages but quefiles too (with @ prefix) and build flavors. To be sure quefiles are ready you have option to build all quefiles in one sqg command: # sqg -a ^)

[@sergbormant8404]

> how to install a package from pkgs.org As for me this is last resort. Not any source good enough, mixing package sources (especially for dependent packages) may brings not always good surprises.

[@primalpenguin]

FIRST!!

[@serge5046]

Hello LinuxTerminal! Are you the new challenger for Mr GFY? :P Cheers

[@primalpenguin]

Haha, I guess am, thanks!

[@daol03]

is it me or does it seems like Serge is talking to Derek as he had no computer skills at all? i noticed that sometimes under the video

[@serge5046]

Hello Daniel! It is just an impression. Derek has much more years of experience in Linux than I have. He has written several configuration files you could find in the past on GitHub. So I know perfectly well he is skilled. Cheers

[@daol03]

Hi serge! thanks for your answer :) Maybe i took the impression wrong on my end hehe.

[@tubelarasa]

This vid is not only meant to educate DT, so in my opinion it's a good thing also the less difficult parts are treated a bit more extensive, so we might all be able to learn from it.

[@serge5046]

@@tubelarasa We'll do a live stream on Slackware current + UEFI + GPT + i3wm on Eric Adams' channel this Friday at 8:30 PM French time! Cheers

[@popespalace823]

It was my impression he was explaining the easier things for the sake of the audience

[@jasonking1284]

Heh... poor Windows users. This is the deep interactive control they are missing. Double click install and get on with life. Pah simpletons....