Slavery, Capitalism and the Making of the Modern World

Guest speakers Jennifer Morgan, Seth Rockman, and Anthony Bogues will speak on slavery, capitalism, and the making of the modern world.
Jennifer Morgan is Chair and Professor of History in the department of Social and Cultural Analysis at New York University
Seth Rockman is the Associate Professor of History at the Center for the Study of Slavery and Justice (CSSJ).
Anthony Bogues is the Asa Messer Professor of Humanities and Critical Theory, Profesor of Africana Studies, and Director of the Center for the Study of Slavery and Justice (CSSJ).
Sponsored by the Center for Latin American and Caribbean Studies
Co-sponsored with the Center for the Study of Slavery and Justice

[@roycerhett178]

Professor Morgan changed my life with her African Diaspora course while I was a student at NYU. I'm forever grateful for the enlightening information that I learned from her.

[@2phonesnelson]

Begins at 6:45

[@kimwaldron2606]

Thank you

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

they didn't "follow in the footsteps of Gujarat weavers" because as Noam Chomsky points out in "Year 501: The Conquest Continues" - the British Empire was based on "forced markets" that first had to DESTROY the thriving textile industry in India.

[@elainehiggins713]

We have so much leisure time we don’t know what to do with ourselves except be resentful.

[@DrCruel]

This isn't pointless. It's how socialists justify their version of racist feudal slavery today. The people involved in this program expect to get paid handsomely for their shenanigans, and most usually are.

[@EzraMerr]

The youth are too idiotic to understand your comment lol

[@DrCruel]

@@EzraMerr No they are not. They know exactly what sort of scam is going on, and they want in. Unscrupulous little shits. Don't get me started on Brown students.

[@TomTomorrow25]

+t⁰

[@SusanBrittonSeyler]

Hi NJ

[@ahagamama]

Paid labor is also a kind of slavery! Especially when the laborer has no say in the rate of pay, especially when the wage is so small that it is impossible to live any kind of decent life. Slavery is still alive.

[@34uzz78]

Are laborers being raped by their bosses, stripped of their heritage, not being paid and lynched ?

[@GR3YS0RG4N1CS]

It's called wage slavery

[@ericocccams5865]

and the only reason being paid is necessary is because of the existence of price and more importantly how society has indoctrinated into thinking price is a necessity.

[@xrxs1020]

The smarter ''slaves'' start their own business. But then they have to relinquish their precious victim label.

[@Hello.Sailor]

You have every say over your rate of pay; the choice of what to pursue and whether to accept any given contract is entirely up to you. If you want to opt out that is also viable, join a commune, a church, an outreach program, there are any number of viable alterantives. Of course there is little compensation initially but you can still have a decent and comfortable life even if you lack any real ambition or ability. If we're being honest though we're not really worried about that are we? I suspect behind this mentality lurks a very specific strain of avarice embraced by those who wish to harvest all the fruits of this system but resents investing any labor toward the cultivation of the crop. The truth is there have always been any number of individuals wishing to get by on the effort of others -Slaveholders and certain intellectuals share some commonality in that regard

[@dottiebaker6623]

Not sure why the premise of many of these folks' ideas is so revolutionary. It's always been self evident to me that slavery and capitalism are part and parcel of the same oppressive and greedy imperialist system. Could you really have a successful capitalist system without slavery? And what would be the purpose of slavery unless it was to provide free labor for those who want to produce and trade goods? When you are so deep into it, it hard to see it clearly., especially when it comes to the moral deficit that's required at such a deep level.

[@user-od1yi5iq1k]

No mention of the Arab Slave Trade, the longest lasting and most extensive slave trade in history - and the most brutal too.

[@voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885]

Anthony Bogues is the best by far. thanks

[@alloomis1635]

always remember: democracy is possible, and likely to lead to a better human society. it just needs people who want a better world, and are willing to fight for it. 'fight' scares people, who are eating regularly. so change doesn't begin in seminars.

[@XxxcloackndaggerxxX]

What do you mean a better world?

[@Obnyr]

@@XxxcloackndaggerxxX Apparently one where people don't eat regularly.

[@celinecabana5255]

@@Obnyr at least, they would be scare for a good reason........

[@99gypsies]

I think change DOES begin in seminars -- I haven't watched this yet, but all revolutions and actions of any kinds, begin with a thought and an idea . . . which is then expressed in words, and those words become actions. (Hopefully.) And yes, I agree, when people are relatively well-fed and satisfied, it is hard to motivate them to demand change -- for the better -- and we sure as heck need people to do that now -- or at least put their full force behind the change agents and people who are trying to make a better world -- and by "better world" I don't know about you, but I mean a country (and hopefully a world) that, once and for all, honors the laws and spirit of our amazing Constitution.

[@87stevan]

WTF is democracy?

[@justingiersch7632]

None of you can tell a story without a script. 😅

[@Petrhrabal]

And there is literally zero sense or a deep thought in every single sentence packed with filler words. "Ehm...like... sort of... well... mmm... you know what I mean" :D:D

[@ambiguism]

numeracy is a Godsend. I've had a sneaking suspicion about the calculability/metrics that inhere within reason/logic/finance/scientific racism, and was very excited to hear that it wasnt just me

[@aaronsmyth7943]

You're not the only idiot.

[@teeastarr5704]

What a great discussion on this panel. I’m here now, 2022

[@chavdarnaidenov2661]

If everything is slavery, what is not?

[@shiningstar3312]

@Chavdar Naidenov....Jesus = Self Sacrificing Love. Both the Old and New Testament provides clear principles of liberty/freedom as opposed to bondage/slavery.

[@Brianbeesandbikes]

@@shiningstar3312 Fighting the system by every means possible, which in the modern era gave rise to the notion that Jesus was a socialist/ communist.

[@erikhesjedal3569]

You Americans really need to get your head out of your backsides. Time did not start in 1492 .

[@erpthompsonqueen9130]

Thank you.

[@alst4817]

I read and think about political science and other social sciences every day. I didn’t understand almost anything said, because I don’t work in a “critical” school tradition. This is a problem: if you are only able to explain yourself to others from the same academic background, you are working in a bubble.

[@dlxinfinite7098]

its not for you. it went waaay over your head.

[@heathers.7975]

Jennifer Morgan: "Both numeracy and race thinking shaped and were shaped by the social and cultural processes that attended their use. Neither are fixed or static tools but together the forged rationalized meaning through the interplay of the supposed logic of calculus and the alchemy of race-making.

[@ericrobinson7184]

This is twice in a year I've had to refer back to this excellent discussion!

[@landynjunior799]

instablaster...

[@daviddestin1990]

as I have been saying for years - "The bastards just want their slaves back. Is that asking so much? We can make it equal-opportunity slavery, like ancient Rome."

[@baldeagle1171]

Maybe get some merit

[@nobodyisprfct]

Thomas Sowell is awesome! Interesting how socialism, fascism , and communism enslaves. We see it in China yet so many people still invest in China. Great to see how much damage socialism has done to American society.

[@bernardzsikla5640]

I would love to see/listen to a panel discussion on how African Americans in the Americas can become more self actualized as a society and in the larger context of society, instead of discussing the nuisances of victimization. Every society in the patchwork of human societies can find reasons to feel oppressed. Resentment as with anger, is a basal and fundamental emotion of human emotions. Transcending the mentality and becoming self aware is truly all of our purpose in life. Sadly, this topic, (although interesting) does nothing to achieve that goal.

[@dlxinfinite7098]

Its not for you. The topic is waaay over your head.

[@PorkChop_0]

Some excellent thought works here. However academics should stop trying to outdo each other with intellectual masturbation exercises and actually make themselves understandable to the lay person. Thats the point at which important information enters the public discourse.

[@tenmanX]

I feel your pain, but they're talking amongst themselves, aren't they? The lay public is just incidental because the internet...

[@gemthomas]

@48:00 corporation credited money to plantation owners to startup plantation and then they bought the products of the plantation... Ami understanding that correct? My question is why does he lol?

[@nobodyisprfct]

provided through socialist subsidy policies! It is socialist policies that have encouraged slavery. The socialists find great value in taxation and the controlling of people. There isn't a law passed by socialists that doesn't involve the control of the people and the choices they make. Corporations are not capitalism. Corporations value a more socialist system of control. Federal government is given power by the socialist which in turn gives power to the Corporations which then encourages slavery of some type.

[@sebastienloyer9471]

The New slavery is taxation. And inflation. The next market for slavery is ESG market and regulations Couple with digital ID prison system.

[@CBT5777]

Inflation is definitely the whip used to make people work harder. Were all slaves.

[@34uzz78]

Reparations are owed.

[@ianburns6218]

to and from whom

[@jaybee9269]

I want reparations for my ancestors displaced and robbed by Vikings! **Viking Reparations Now!**

[@ashrafalam6075]

I am watching this video on October 31, 2023. Physical Slavery has its limits. Now Slavery is increasing and in every sphere of life. 1) Mental Slavery. 2) Qualified Regulated Slavery 3)Forced Immigration Slavery. No one is ready to accept/ discuss these issues. When Philosophical/ Critical Thinking is stopped, outcome will be horrible for humanity not for individuals or regions.

[@JoseFernandez-qt8hm]

northern abolitionists lived off Slavery as much as southern planters. northern bankers made loans, northern insurance companies underwrote activities, northern textile mills bought slave cotton, northerners ate slave sugar and smoked slave Tabacco and before 1808, slave ships built and crewed by northerners transported slaves into the United States. Maybe the war happened because the guilty feeling of northern abolitionists and indignation of southern slavers at the hypocrisy of the abolitionists. And, what's crazy is that most people today are decedents of post-bellum immigrants who had nothing to do with slavery and just want to get on with life.

[@jaybee9269]

Well, you’re not wrong. That the abolitionists were disgusted by slavery is to their credit, though.

[@bts845]

People don’t know how to use their free time constructively here in America… most seem to pivot towards mindless activities rather constructive activities.

[@Brianbeesandbikes]

Not a matter of not knowing, but that thru generations the parasite class domination of education, media, law and the economy they have build narratives teaching that anyone who critiques the parasite's system is fired, deported, socially shunned or killed. Taxpayers foot the bill for this thru FBI / CIA as well. “Under a tyranny, most friends are a liability. One quarter of them turn “reasonable” and become your enemies, one quarter are afraid to speak, and one quarter are killed and you die with them. But the blessed final quarter keeps you alive.” Sinclair Lewis “The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” Frederick Douglass

[@dlxinfinite7098]

...like posting obnoxious, vague insults on social pages? You mean that type of ''constructive activity?''

[@frogspawn_johnson37]

outstanding discussion.

[@KCavan]

Slavery is an African story. It's interesting that American's assume it's all about them, when they were just a chapter in a much longer history. Narcissism & guilt, a potent mix.

[@keithwielkiewicz7721]

When will someone talk about the white slavery on endentured servants who were worked.to death.

[@geraldom3887]

CAPITALIST Watson institute!

[@johntorrance7448]

No Sound!

[@chrismakoundoul1827]

This was very good!👏🏾 The initial question, how come racism as part of the slavetrade became a part of the development of the global capitalist system and the prerequisite for industrialization? Very interesting 🤔

[@generalking9029]

Is that not obvious. Europe led the way. Rest of the world where still living in huts.

[@chrismakoundoul1827]

@@generalking9029 No, that is not true. There were other great civilisations at the time which were competing with the Europeans on many fronts. The biggest difference between the europeans/Christians and others was that europeans degraded other people to the status of animals or half-animals to motivate the slavery. This because Christianity is a slavereligion at its essence. The christians could only defend slavery if it was done to half-humans, so the Europeans made the rest of the world half-humans. Racism was born...

[@portiaparker1669]

@@chrismakoundoul1827 Blacks were classified only as three- fifths human/of a person despite doing 100% of the physical labor building this USA 🇺🇸 only to be hated, segregated, discriminated against, and hung due to being melanated @General King

[@user-od1yi5iq1k]

LOL! Like White people invented slavery. The Arab Slave Trade preceded the transatlantic Slave Trade by 900 years, lasted until the 1950s and was far more extensive and brutal. Yet, no one talks about it, and no one is asking the Arabs for reparations or feelings of guilt.

[@chrismakoundoul1827]

@@user-od1yi5iq1k It is, of course, easier to argue about something you make up yourself.

[@littleninjawarrior6458]

Did anyone mention white slavery? Or the melenated population that was here? Seminole s and other tribes, moors and??? Free melenated plantation owners? Excellent views and information thxq very much🙂

[@MariamArt_]

This is why I’m a socialist-leaning centrist conservative.. Socialism: *making sure economic equality and left-leaning policies are in ways accounted to distributing equal opportunities to the working class* in terms of growth and welfare programs. Socialism isn’t Communism and most Left-Leaning Socialists like Bernie have enacted a lobbying campaign to promote socialist economic deals and minimum wage recovery’s on increasing the national median wage for America by 15% which is $38 per hour for physical, domestic, annual and technical labor. He is socialist-leaning left-conservative which is why I Stan him and defend his tax policies on making sure the wealthy do not take 50% of the share of profit and domestic taxes from their corporations, companies and small businesses. That makes such we distribute income equality by a share of 50% and 50% I’m not sure if American Government is ever going to promote socialist welfare policies and socialist median wages for the low-income and middle-income and impoverished lower class families and lower working class families who are taking lower white collar jobs such as factory working, construction labor, clerk, stock supply laborer and all those applied to these public sectors-

[@MariamArt_]

what i learned about America is how slavery is the reason why the civil war ended because of the industrial period of modernizing the economy system and without institutional chattel slavery based on the mercantilism and colonial capitalist practices we would have no America and pretty sure America would a 3rd world nation with limited resources and supply offers to foreign countries 😐😐

[@AnonosaurusRex1]

21% of the labor force cannot be responsible for 100% of GDP

[@plezful]

They all should have gone fishing

[@peterthompson1462]

I wonder these intellectuals think of the great West African Empires and their role I the trans Atlantic slave trade??????

[@jish55]

Capitalism still relies heavily on slavery, just now, it's in the form of wage slavery instead of outright slavery. Instead of owning people, the capitalists now own people's time, forcing them to work for a meager means that is not of true value while making it impossible for many to value their precious time. Some slave owners are so terrible that they'll own your time by forcing you to continue working at home, making you do what they desire without letting you have any actual time to yourself, and all so you don't get fired. This is why capitalism is a terrible system, WHY we as a species can no longer allow for something like capitalism to exist.

[@sebastienholmes548]

Labor those not determine value.

[@smhsophie]

yes, all forms of exploitation are related to slavery, and domination

[@johnarnold908]

And what would offer as a substitute for capitalism...

[@Skousen77]

Well I sell my labor/time/effort in a free transaction. Only the state steal 50% of my money/time without my consent.

[@nobodyisprfct]

Thomas Sowell is a genius!

[@thomasjamison2050]

The problem is not in capitalism, the problem is in human beings, and they will be present in any type of system.The southern slave master who sat at his ample dinner table while his slaves starved is really no different from the young academic student of today who wastes his time at a lecture like this by texting on his or her i-phone.

[@joeanthony7759]

We can still do better than capitalism, which is not a rational economic model for this day and age.

[@dlxinfinite7098]

That's a really bad and ridiculous analogy and false equivalence

[@thomasjamison2050]

@@dlxinfinite7098 Spoken like a truly ungrateful beneficiary of slavery

[@dlxinfinite7098]

@@thomasjamison2050 Spoken like a man who cant defend his truly awkward statement.

[@thomasjamison2050]

@@dlxinfinite7098 Perfect self description there from you. Spoken by a man who depends on the stolen profits of the labors of others.

[@lluisboschpascual4869]

This debate is derailed from its conception. It pretends to derive universal and fundamental constants from a historical and economic phenomenon that is essentially an American experience. At the same time, however, it ignores the fact that slavery and slave trade was a universal reality throughout history, until the United Kingdom sought to ban it in all the world

[@juliennef1698]

👍👏👏👏👏

[@wallyreyes2035]

It's a bunch of fools,imbeciles hell bent on the death of a nation. Got to give them credit they are doing a hell of a job on destroying this great nation.

[@dlxinfinite7098]

BS. What about the aftermath? Blacks in the UK were still beaten, robbed, etc. even after they denounced slavery. It just doesnt stop. sad you cant see that the stain of inequality still exists.

[@nobodyisprfct]

Thomas Sowell is so amazing.

[@velvetchackel5808]

Having a discussion about slavery without the people it affected most what's that? It's their opinion that counts not no historian.

[@christophervaughan2637]

Velvet Chackel the slaves are dead. Oh many plantations they had a life expectancy of 7 years. These intellectuals are arguing that slaves are the people who created the world we live in and are campaigning for the recognition of the real existence of slaves.

[@velvetchackel5808]

@@christophervaughan2637 what's the point

[@velvetchackel5808]

@@christophervaughan2637 so what is the point you trying to make?

[@velvetchackel5808]

Only when it comes to us we must look the other way why?

[@velvetchackel5808]

I may misunderstood the point but we need to be in the conversation, they might try to disqualify us from being a slave oh you was never a slave still we're the descendant of enslaved people the remnants of the dark past still clinging to the memory, the pain, and the hurt, they talk about us like we're not there. Like they've to give a summery of our presence in history we know the true basis of ourstory and we'll never get it watered down. Kepasa!

[@sebastienloyer9471]

3 years less than 300 comments

[@SneakyBadness]

So ironic

[@dovets]

Just the uneducated, unscholarly and pathetic allusion to a norm back in a past being something which should have been apparent to the contemporary population, as alluded to in the guys' pre-talk, imagined, diatribe at around the 20minute mark made me ill. He seems to state his interest was based around the projection of slavery from the American Revolution and the Civil War, and guides us to the fact that the whole presentation is not a serious study of slaves and slave trading, but a predetermined attack on the US slavery situation in itself. The whole tone of language seems to be undermining of the UK and America, for something, unscholarly unreported, misrepresenting slavery as purely a Colonial and US-centric occurrence. No mention of that slavery is a sad account of every known recorded era of human existence. No mention that the worst possible examples of slavery were committed by black Africans upon other black Africans! There is also no mention of the fact that the 'colonial' entity, the UK was the first to ban and actually fight to ban slavery. Nor the fact he civil war was, in one way or more, about ending the hideous trade. No mention, at least early on, that slavery is still a blight in Africa, parts of Europe and China to this day. I gave up watching this waste of educations because it was just panning out to be the modern, typical anti western culture diatribe of being the bad we need to escape! In short, it is 'modern bashing' for the sins of a limited window in the past!

[@wallyreyes2035]

Why is it all this atheist Marxist college professors ,all seem to be this foolishly stupid? They all can't be this stupid ,can they? The stupidly on display from all this atheist Marxist democratic college professors is just heart breaking,just a sad,sad display of what is about to destroy what used to be the greatest country on GOD'S green earth.

[@jaybee9269]

@@angh18>> He refers to the Royal Navy enforcement of the ban on transatlantic slavery.

[@krytonsbeast]

Do people really think Slavery started and ended in USA? Do you really think nobody lives in Slavery today? If so, then for intelligent people, you're quite nieve.

[@jaybee9269]

*naive. But yes.

[@ahagamama]

You said it: material exploitation! That's slavery! Wake up and stop tripping over words!

[@JustT0m752]

This 1st lady spoke no stop for what seemed like hours without saying anything.

[@jdursoesq]

Do any of these people deal with the actual development of "capitalism" in the US and the spectacular growth of the US economy in the period following the Civil War?? They, like most Marxists including Marx himself, muddle British colonialism with actual industrial development, as advocated by Alecander Hamilton, and his proteges such Friedrich List, and later Henry C Carey. Such development, having its roots back to the Massachusetts Bay colony, hampered as it was by the backward slave economy of the South, was a product of the Hamiltonian policies of national banking, directed credit and fostering technological advance. From the very start of the United States , such policies were diametrically opposed by the slave system of the South, championed by Jefferson, which was simply an arm of British colonialism. The superiority of the Hamiltonian system was finally and definitely proven by the decisive Union victory over the British puppet Confederacy in the misnamed "Civil War."

[@anewglobaladministration8877]

A new global administration is absolutely essential because ever since the time our history was first recorded, life has been very tough and stressful for us, the ordinary people of the world.

[@shiningstar3312]

It is only going to get worse sweetheart.. Feudalism thru the "New World Order" will be reintroduced with the Papacy and elites in charge once again (them owning everything and you "owning NOTHING" ...by 2030 - according to their plan, they intend to return to the "dark ages"). Wakey wakey, only Jesus priciples of liberty/freedom works). The currency of heaven is faith, not money.

[@jaybee9269]

When has there ever been a “global administration”? Such a thing doesn’t fit human beings.

[@davidwilkie9551]

A bit more realistic review of humanity, just getting started.. Psychologists, Ecologists and Anthropologists could reiterate the totally integrated interdependence of a human being and Holographic Principle environment, in which every possible relationship is only detectable in terms of probabilities and cause-effect consequences. (It ain't even slightly simple). It's classifications of vertically integrated parallel coexistence Quantum Chemistry, one individual being's character in interconnected characteristics Totality.

[@gujono.eiriksson8553]

Nice.

[@bernardzsikla5640]

David, you have a valid point but concise, simpler terminology would reach a far wider audience. True genius would be an explanation that laymen and intellectual could equally understand and appreciate your thoughts. Just sayin.....

[@ParadoxPerspective]

What an eloquent delivery of a whole and complete spectrum of various forms of tripe.

[@nobodyisprfct]

Ya i never knew socialism equaled slavery until watching this clip.

[@ParadoxPerspective]

@@nobodyisprfct Human beings are a social species. We accomplish survival in groups. Since survival always has harsh aspects to it, this necessitates that every social structure has, at some point, the impressment of certain people to deal with the harsh ends of survival. "Slavery"-- or more accurately "Having to make some people do the crap that just sucks" is a problem that any economic or governance system will have to confront sooner or later.

[@nobodyisprfct]

@@ParadoxPerspective First of all thanks for your reply allowing me to think deeper about the subjects involved in an absolutely unrelated subject to your comment. I doubt any of this response will be read and am just glad i am able to write my thoughts and think outload online. None of which i written should be taken personally. They are simply thoughts and opinions with possibly minimal facts. I have questions and they don't matter and do not need to be answered in my opinion. Take care ParadoxPerspective thanks again for the opportunity to think deeply about the subject as well as another subject. Of course, my replies obviously had nothing really to do with tripe and may have been a cell phone blooper on my end. I like tripe with my Phu. So only humans are social species? because people socially communicate this to you equals socialism? I notice loins do not use slavery as well as other land animals (except for possibly chimpanzee's). How would you apply an economic system to other species that socialize? Is slavery a good thing as long as socialism is applied? How do you explain the homestead act of 1862 where people lived alone on 160 acres of land (would it be the family group)? Don't families require independence? The best economic system is capitalism, all others have been explored isn't that correct? Control over large groups of people has occurred in many ways in history. Today we have sex slave trade of males and females (having to make people do this form work is crap for sure). In the United States we are forced to work (for corporations or own our own business) due to taxes. My understanding of your explanation is that slavery = making (having) people do the crap that sucks? Or am I understanding your explanation wrong? I wonder who has the authority to force a group of people to do things against their will? Socialism is the only economic system that seems to encourage slavery or in most cases forced labor. I don't agree with your explanation of survival. It may be because it is a very watered-down explanation. Survival of a tribe or society requires individual cooperation. Survival can still be accomplished on an individual or family group basis. Do you disagree? I mean i do not need a tribe or society to feed me and give me water or grow food for me, do I? This discussion maybe about protection in large numbers? I do not understand how any economic system has any effect on people in such a way where people are forced to do things against their will. I do, however, see how certain economic systems require certain forms of government. For instance, a capitalist economy couldn't exist in a communist government. Maybe the world would be better off with governments with a pure Laissez-faire economic system vs Laissez-faire Socialism, Laissez-faire Capitalism, Markey Economy, Socialism, I wonder if Intellectual property rights existed before the industrial revolution. I wonder if the Industrial revolution was more of a feudal economic system where banking presidents, politicians, and Hollywood type Stars is being treated as royalty to control the economic system. 1 thing I know for a fact is forcing people to do things against their will has negative repercussions. Freedom feels much better than incarceration. Happiness seems to follow freedom more than anything else as far as i can see. Equality and freedom cannot coexist. Socialism doesn't supply equality and is in opposition to happiness. Lastly liberty and or civil liberty cannot exist with socialism or in a fascist, communist government. Its all just sad as now the world is so very unhappy as a whole. Nothing but complaining, desire for power, coveting, greed, hate, division, desire to control other humans, and so many more negatives. It seems to be so difficult to pinpoint exactly what can fix the problem of the lack of human emotional control.

[@ParadoxPerspective]

​@@nobodyisprfct ​ @Change Life Thank you for writing the thoughts. I appreciate them. I very much agree with the general sentiments of your last two paragraphs! >Humanity only social species? No, there are of course social structures in other species. Arguably, in almost every species to varying extents, since the act of reproduction is very commonly the result of an interaction between organisms. (some species are almost entirely autonomous) >economic system to other species that socialize? I am not sure. >Homestead act? While I would agree that homesteading is *less* social interaction, it's still a social agreement. This particular homesteading act starts out with a social contract. It is an act of law. Property rights are then communicated and respected in these cases. Within family structures there are social alignments, family politics, etc. But I get the sentiment about "What about a guy in the woods doing solo Minecraft IRL?"-- while this may happen in some cases, it can't be offered up as a coherent alternative to organized social structures. It can, for a time, be theoretically possible for individuals. Even if someone does everything from scratch ala PrimitiveSkills; they still have to have a mother and a father, and they have to have been raised by other humans before restarting their own micro-civilization alone. So, you can't escape needing others in some capacity to do survival. >All other economic systems explored. While I agree that Capitalism seems to be the most successful social structure so far, I would hesitate to commit to the statement that all other economic systems have been explored. I would also hesitate to equate success in this instant in history to being the 'best'-- perhaps other social structures were more suited to handling life on the scales that it was at during their respective times in history. >Forcing people to do the crap that sucks. This is a bit off from what I said, or at least meant to say. "Forcing" certainly is an option (and one too often taken imo), but *getting* people to do the crap that sucks is a necessity for survival. You can think of like a sewer worker being paid pretty well, under Capitalism filling the requirement of "We gotta get someone to do the crap that sucks!" >Socialism tends to encourage slavery. Perhaps. Starry-eyed socialists would vehemently disagree with you. But I think I understand where you're coming from. The approach to deal with the crap that sucks from the socialist standpoint is "From each according to his ability, to each according to their needs."-- so the strongest and most able people are the ones that do the crap that sucks. And then the people who "need" are the ones that don't do the crap that sucks. So, there's usually a lot of legalized fraud and Machiavellian power-grabs built in to socialist systems. Either people would rather just be taken care of, so they fraudulently understate their ability to work and thus their obligation to do so, or they would rather tell the working people what to do or how to do it, so they participate in the quintessential scramble for power. >Capitalist economy in a communist government. Black markets. It's really hard to stop transactions between willing participants in any governmental system that seeks to prevent certain markets or transactions as a third party. >Last sections I'd recommend The Distributist, and Curtis Yarvin, Primitive Skills, and Ted Kaczenski's manifesto for some critiques on modernity. Basically modernity and post-modernity is the social equivalent of entropy and people want a blank slate of sorts.

[@nobodyisprfct]

@@ParadoxPerspective - Thank you very much for reading my reply. I enjoyed reading your response quenched my thirst for alternative thoughts. Thanks for constructively challenging some of my thoughts. I felt them to be beneficial. I did laugh a bit when you mentioned "stary eyed socialists". I do get into trouble more often than not when talking to those who greatly favor this form of economic system. I have stopped bringing up other types of socialism to those who only see just the one. I even get into trouble when I suggest to the capitalist that the stock market is not necessary for capitalism to work or that property tax (family dwelling vs business buildings) should be eliminated. I think like many I suppose but also I seem to think outside of many sides. I blame it on trying to understand the truth as well as seek the truth. The Distributist and Curtis Yarvin evade my memory so I will take it as something to read up on. Primitive Skills is a book I had if your referring to the book. Theodore John Kaczynski is only known to my understanding as the Unibomber. I remember seeing him get arrested on television and later I was reintroduced to him by a women who was studying to be a forensic scientist she wrote a paper on him and other serial killers. I wasn't aware of any manifesto of his. Something to look into for further understanding of life and possibly provide more human solutions. Entropy reminds me of the movie Jeremiah Johnson. I haven't done any research on modernity. Which now I see is a must. I have had discussions of other unclassified (labeled as far as my understanding) governments with similarities to other forms of government systems. Also other economic systems. My brother had mentioned a while back in his studies about a Potlatch system. Several indigenous tribes of the United States had interesting tribal government systems. Which often causes me to think about moral values and personal beliefs. I can see your point as to the crap that sucks. While some may do such things out of personal enjoyment others may do out of necessity. Me I find great value in freedom and liberty. I enjoy peace, happiness, integrity, loyalty, honesty, charity, humbleness (I see it as one of the best ways to learn), and love (not relating to the destructive lust). The ability to share ideas, without taking ownership. Over the years I have noticed competing with others causes contention which to me is undesirable. Sell improvement so far has been the most difficult and worthwhile form of competition. When I read the Declaration of Independence, George Washington's Farewell Address, The Basic parts of the Constitution, the Federalist papers as well as the anti-federalist papers. I find the place that is described to be a happier place for the most part setting aside the obvious faults. If there was a perfect Theocracy or a true Theocracy I would choose that system based on freedom to choose. I miss these type of conversations. I am older now and forgetful which tends to make such discussion difficult at times. Thank you!

[@dh9030]

I'm only about 30 minutes into this and I'm already very disappointed by the amount of script reading that's happening by these pseudo intellectual "experts." Actual experts should be able to have a discussion about a topic they're fluent in, they shouldn't need to read a script from their tablets. Hopefully this turns around in the next 15-30 minutes or I feel I'm just wasting my own time watching this.

[@joeanthony7759]

Yes not everyone who professes on the subject articulates it well, but there are those who do.

[@td7074]

funny everyone has a british accent

[@jaybee9269]

Nahhh.

[@Charlie-ii5rr]

These people are like mosquitoes. They must have some use, but I can't see what it is.

[@JOHNSMITH-ve3rq]

Gosh, first speaker was a train wreck. Word salad doesn't equal scholarship, lady.

[@T0mpaB]

Do yourself a favor and skip the first 19 minute monotone monologue.

[@vasileios6035]

Tell us about the slavery in communism

[@nobodyisprfct]

That would be to embarrassing for the marxist. They believe that corporatism is the same as capitalism. Yet socialist beliefs are the reason for the growth in corporatism.

[@ranahazim2908]

Iuuiuu

[@franklinblunt69]

Don't indulge & suppress exposing present abuse violations & racial hate crime by bipoc on innocent people perceived as white.

[@jaybee9269]

What’s a bipoc? Is it like a minion?

[@ivanceco8626]

ok, let's get over it, all cultures, ethnicities, social groups in the world and thru out history have had to deal with tremendous situations and some still do, but we haven't dragged them around and made them an excuse for not having been able to succeed. It should not be a group thing but a personal understanding, that we need to grow up and get on with the plan, we are not to impose and worse believe that our way is the way. Now the black American peoples are being lead to believe that they are the other "race" besides the "white" race in the USA, that is also racist in extreme if the current "world order" is to bring down barriers, borders, etc then all people should be treated as people and eliminating political correctness is the way to go as there is no such thing as "Yellow, white, red, brown, black": it just people from different regions such as Africa, middle east, India, northern Europe, South America, who should feel proud of what we are and not be frown upon. if you want to make it easier, use a country. no to re-segregation by any group, yes to participation and merits not based on background...I dare you to get hold of Hollywood, New York, and make them stop inventing new forms of cultural, ethnic, social, economic, political divides...its a program, a movie, not world consciousness, not reality, not what we should be nr follow. reggae, hip hop, rasta, bachata, not African not Latino...peole need information not misinformation...

[@DSTH323]

Socialism in Dreams: “To destroy a people, you must first sever their roots… Modern society is hypnotized by socialism. It is prevented by socialism from seeing the mortal danger it is in. And one of the greatest dangers of all is that you have lost all sense of danger, you cannot even see where it’s coming from or going as it moves swiftly towards you.” - Alexander Solzhenitsyn

[@ivandafoe5451]

Solzhenitsyn was really speaking about his personal experience in Soviet Russia and mistakenly conflating it with socialism.

[@ivandafoe5451]

Solzhenitsyn was really speaking about Soviet Russia...not socialism.

[@DSTH323]

@@ivandafoe5451 Have you read Solzhenitsyn on the very distinction you make between Socialism and the Leninist / Stalinist Soviet Union? You should.

[@psusac]

This is an important and interesting topic that is being handled by people who are a great example of what is wrong with academia. They aren't even talking about the topic, they are just showing off their intellectual tribal identifications. Yuck.

[@christophervaughan2637]

psusac huh? These are all people who have devoted their lives to studying the role of slaves in societies: who are generally completely ignored. It is madness to say these people are not thinking about slavery, thinking about slavery is what they do

[@psusac]

@@christophervaughan2637 They AREN'T talking about slavery, they are talking about "geographical categories" and the fetishization of commodities. Now I quit listening 38 minutes in, so maybe it gets better, but this looked more like intellectual posturing than frank conversation as far as I could tell, which is why I quit 38 minutes in.

[@christophervaughan2637]

@@psusac the title is slavery, capitalism and the modern world, so they are discussing what they told you they were going to discuss. You seem to expect them to talk only about slavery, which is only one of the three topics of the title. Plus you listen to only one quarter of the whole discussion and then accuse them of intellectual posturing. I am sorry but you are the one posturing and if you only want to hear about slavery then choose a lecture which is only about slavery

[@tihanat3324]

Lol how are you gonna say they're not talking about the topic and you only watched a quarter of the video 😆😆

[@christophervaughan2637]

@@dexterkrammer1089 one thing I am not gullible about your inhumane way of thinking.

[@khankrum1]

I am sick and tired of all this yak yak yak and platitudes about slavery! If God did not want them shorn? Then he would not have made them into sheep!

[@philipmaldonado9249]

Ok Eli Wallack.

[@dlxinfinite7098]

Sooooo....your "God" supports slavery? People are born slaves? Oh, thats a really positive and exalted religion.

[@ghostdance56]

Pseudo-intellectual blather. These folks are obsessed.

[@rariri1]

As we talk about slavery and the complexities of slavery as it affected black people and the world, we must try to understand the spiritual foundation of slavery. Slavery did not just happen to black people because they are black. It goes deeper than that. For example, black people were not the first people in the world who were enslaved. God allowed the Israelite to be enslaved in Egypt before Black people were ever enslaved. The true causes of slavery is the disobedience to God through devil worship. It was at the height of devil worship of the people of Israel that God allowed their enemies to capture them for slavery as a punishment from God. So were the black people who have a devil worshiping culture in Africa. So all the other theories that you are dabbling with are just an after thought. The true fundamental understanding of the slave trade is spiritual in nature. Nothing to do with Portugal or Britain. They were just used to carry out God's judgement of the sin of devil worship. God uses different methods to punish a people for devil worship. Slavery is not the only tool God uses to punish. God revealed to me about ten years ago that he will punish America with natural disasters for their devil worship and for their lack of fear of God. You can see all over the country; floods, droughts, drying rivers and and lakes, fires, heat waves and all other forms of natural disaster in the land. God asked me to warn the people of this nation about these disasters which I have done several times. But it seems no one is paying attentions to these warnings. They think it is climate change. God is in full control of the world he created. No severe climate change can happen, such as the heat wave without God's intervention. Can your activities on earth control the heat of the sun?? I am a man of God sent to warn all mankind of the coming End Time. Can you stop that too? Apostle R. A.

[@shiningstar3312]

@Roman Ari.. God does not punish or cause pain/hurt/destruction .. You have the WRONG concept of GOD who is LOVE.. Humanity, b/c they do not follow Gods principles of liberty/freedom/love (10 commandments) cause their own pain/disasters. God does withdraw His Holy Spirit of protection when humanity engages in principles of darkness as light cannot remain in the same space as darkness. Worship and fear of the Creator God may not necessarily prevent disaster (Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego = Book of Daniel 1 and 2) but God has a greater purpose. "As the heaven is higher than the earth, so are His thoughts and ways higher than ours". While the Papcy (Jesuits) and the elites are planning the "New World Order" which will essentially be a return to Feudilism (Papacy/elites owning everything and u and I owning nothing) we are debating debating debating and accomplishing nothing.. Only the Kingdom of God works - self sacrificing Love. Jesus will establish His Kingdom very soon (end of 6th day/6th thousand year is is soon to be upon us. the 7th day/7th millennium will be spent in Heaven (1 Thess 4/Revelation 20 - 22). If u upheld the 4th Commandment, "Remember the Sabbath/7th day/Saturday to keep it Holy", u would know where we are in the stream of time.

[@dlxinfinite7098]

We are not paying attention to you because we dont know you. God told me not to pay attention to bloated, self-promoting Apostles and Pastors like you. Always self-righteous and judgemental, when you have your own flaws. You are not special, you are delusional.

[@meanwhile4308]

Fk it...I give up.

[@carlroberts4963]

Democratic.thinking.is Either..i..or..me..never..we. Cannot.thinkoutsid.the.box

[@pauldailey4477]

Super jew isn´t super at all.

[@sebastienloyer9471]

But you can't say IT. Or you are going to be called....

[@pauldailey4477]

@@sebastienloyer9471 Jey hew, would you like to call me names? Try to be more creative jew...you are a supremacist before all. Defecate again on humanity.

[@sebastienloyer9471]

@@pauldailey4477 sorry ain't no jew, just a Frenchy.

[@omega3693]

What a load!

[@jaybee9269]

It’s pretty bad.