Slavoj Žižek meets Owen Jones: Could COVID destroy capitalism?

[@OwenJonesTalks]

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[@wachowski9525]

@@1j9hd97 And not a source to be found

[@halfpotatohalfunicorn9009]

Will you talk on right wing media or about it?

[@AmazingMegaMan]

You hearted your own comment?

[@vincentshepard9304]

InstaBlaster...

[@TubularAnde]

This man had my respect when he absolutely inhaled two hotdogs walking down the street, and now he has my attention

[@TheParadiseInc]

I wish that had been my introduction

[@fyviane]

Just finished listening to Slavoj's 9 hour long lecture video. No that's not enough Slavoj for today yet.

[@jonathanbailey1597]

Keep doing what you are doing Owen. It is massively appreciated.

[@1j9hd97]

Corona virus is a bio weapon released by the CCP from their Wuhan lab. (not a man made virus or genetically engineered). China had already discovered a vaccine for it. That's how they got it under perfect control, their aim is to cripple western economies which they have successfully done. The WHO are corrupted by Chinese officials and funding. Their "investigation" relies entirly on info and samples provided by CCP officials

[@nicksnowbuildings]

ZIZEK IS ON OWEN JONES I REPEAT ZIZEK IS ON OWEN JONES ALL HANDS ON DECK THIS IS THE EVENT OF THE YEAR

[@shanky1751]

And Noam Chomsky

[@shanky1751]

Owen you are a legend

[@stephenhardy312]

@@shanky1751 Owen Jones is a first class political commentator; must start getting the Guardian again, after many years.

[@AlexandraofUnusualIdeas]

It's nice to hear someone knows😊

[@AlexandraofUnusualIdeas]

@@stephenhardy312 nice☺️👏🏽👏🏽. What are all our ages? I'm going to have the dreaded number that has a 4 with a 0 after it pretty soon😬

[@maxcounter5351]

That was excellent. Thank you both for that discussion there are not enough people with such passion for their subject!

[@1j9hd97]

Corona virus is a bio weapon released by the CCP from their Wuhan lab. (not a man made virus or genetically engineered). China had already discovered a vaccine for it. That's how they got it under perfect control, their aim is to cripple western economies which they have successfully done. The WHO are corrupted by Chinese officials and funding. Their "investigation" relies entirly on info and samples provided by CCP officials

[@maxcounter5351]

That's an interesting theory. What's your source of information?

[@TheMagicofJava]

Žižek 'Capitalism is moving from profit to rent.' Brilliant, explains so much and leaves so many questions.

[@beadmecreative9485]

This is because of Technology. Companies make robots which help with everyday life or to produce other things, they hold the keys to technology and therefore charge the rest of us a rent for its usage. This is why people are rallying not to let this techno-aristocracy rise because it is going to create a profoundly unequal world, the likes of which the world has never seen.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

Yes, and this is truly frightening.

[@fabioblackgatto]

So true in every sector. Just think about our medical situation. We have cures but government pushes for vaccinations every 8 month. Subscription like renting and long term hiring gives permanent instead of occasional profit

[@dadedraak]

Zizek seemed very relaxed, very few ticks. Thanks Owen, for the discussion!

[@maxb88888]

Owen asked 3 questions in a 1 hour conversation 😂

[@OwenJonesTalks]

🤣

[@valq10]

Yet got 300 replies!

[@1j9hd97]

Corona virus is a bio weapon released by the CCP from their Wuhan lab. (not a man made virus or genetically engineered). China had already discovered a vaccine for it. That's how they got it under perfect control, their aim is to cripple western economies which they have successfully done. The WHO are corrupted by Chinese officials and funding. Their "investigation" relies entirly on info and samples provided by CCP officials

[@inghell]

@@1j9hd97 Man you've been taking some mad drugs. Would make for a great film though.

[@davideastman928]

Michael Parkinson had more luck with Billy Connolly

[@Terrodar12]

Brilliant vid Owen, Slavoj is a legend

[@stephenhardy312]

Zizek is brilliant.

[@rickparkinmoto]

Superb! Can't believe that was an hour! Top stuff!

[@clairestark9024]

Seeing owen and slavoj together is interesting, they represent different aspects of the left quite well.

[@chrish12345]

sorry what different aspects?

[@clairestark9024]

@@chrish12345 slavoj emphases class war and upheaval whereas Owen's passions are more towards intersectional social reform.

[@therealignotus7549]

@@chrish12345 The woke decadent left and the based hegelian left

[@n1nj4sp4rt4n]

@@clairestark9024 have u read any slavoj books? lmao the 'left' really is dead forever huh

[@clairestark9024]

@@n1nj4sp4rt4n who said the left is dead forever? Nevermind me reading his books, did you read my post?

[@arsenalrocka16]

zizek needs his own podcast lmao

[@reubennb2859]

We need to make co-operative business models and economic democracy the absolute priority of the left, it's quite literally the definition of leftism. It's imperative we make it a major priority in our discourse and advocacy

[@AlexAHeisok]

Couldn’t agree more

[@tulmulzjakmumlj]

If businesses are competing its still capitalism. You need centar planing for this to work.

[@reubennb2859]

@@tulmulzjakmumlj nope, co-ops already exist and function. Socialism isn't central planning, it's just when workers democratically control the economy. Market socialism is real, and the new standard model. Pretty much every modern socialist economist wants a market.

[@reubennb2859]

@@edencastillo4417 It's a significantly better model, and would provide a platform far more conducive to further marxist ambitions like decommodifying the majority of basic human needs. We've seen state-capitalism happen as an attempt at economic democracy and transition further left, but it has just replaced unaccountable capitalists with equally unaccountable government officials. The idea of having another go at USSR-style central planning doesn't appeal to me or pretty much anybody else. Ultra-long-term, as automation takes over, perhaps central planning will be necessary, but it will literally kill the left's chances of doing anything if we puritanically reject market socialism now when it's so needed.

[@atomiccritter6492]

@@tulmulzjakmumlj no its not. as you are confusing markets with ownership

[@froopzoop5739]

Yes, slavoj!

[@Widmowiec]

Even when you thank this man, he immediately disagrees with you: "No, I'm really grateful to you". A true spirit of contradiction! : )

[@David-zx8hi]

By watching Owen Jones, Jimmy Dore, Kyle Kulinski, *and so on and so on*, I've practically stopped consuming mainstream media. Thank you!

[@mechasartre3694]

Dore is brain poison.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@mechasartre3694 Like hell he is. He has been laying down one gem of an analysis after another for months now. Ignore his outbursts, of course, but listen to the substance.

[@mechasartre3694]

As much substance as a hermetically sealed vacuum.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@mechasartre3694 That's funny. Richard Wolff was just on his show. So was Chris Hedges, a short time later. Even Cornel West has come on within the last month or so. "Hermetically sealed," huh?

[@videogames956]

Great interview, really interesting.

[@SarahH0g4n]

Love you longtime Owen and Zizek, and all the great geusts. From Australia.

[@johnminto9935]

Great interview. And well done, Owen, for getting a word in.

[@michaelrandall4624]

Privatisation of the commons is the logical outcome of rent seeking - he is 100% right

[@theelectricant98]

Finally someone who just lets zizek talk

[@martycrow]

Žižek has a tendency to depart on whimsical trajectories - perhaps that's his 'brand'. But on this, apart from a dominatrix diversion, he stayed on a discernable path. Lot's to think about and worth a second watch. Thanks and well done Owen.

[@Fmakegeo6]

Zizek is a global treasure. One of the best educators in the world

[@josefinajofre4247]

Thanks so much! Finally quality, I learned so much! Is great to see you both from different generations, county s and context talking and respecting each other

[@stewlee2019]

"No" Video ends.

[@rawalshadab3812]

Owen, you're doing some amazing work. Chomsky, Zizek, Frankie Boyle. All gold. If you can, get Adam Curtis on. That would make my year!

[@HoodooDot]

seconded!

[@AmazingMegaMan]

Adam Curtis is a must!

[@Bigplatts]

@Kevin Armstrong How?

[@theelectricant98]

Adam curtis would be amazing

[@1o1s1s1i1e]

Biden knows he will be lucky to get through two years so this is it for him politically, he has a real chance, if he takes it, to be a modern FDR. Progressives need to push him! Terrific discussion Owen!

[@robertwinslade3104]

Really cool to see Zizek here

[@1j9hd97]

Corona virus is a bio weapon released by the CCP from their Wuhan lab. (not a man made virus or genetically engineered). China had already discovered a vaccine for it. That's how they got it under perfect control, their aim is to cripple western economies which they have successfully done. The WHO are corrupted by Chinese officials and funding. Their "investigation" relies entirly on info and samples provided by CCP officials

[@Patrick-jj5nh]

thanks slavoj, if for nothing but the picture of owen whipping you dressed in latex... :D

[@OwenJonesTalks]

🤣

[@GrantTregellas]

Use a high-pass filter on the audio of your guests before you upload. Will clean up the sound massively.

[@IzmirWayne]

Don't you mean low-pass?

[@GrantTregellas]

@@IzmirWayne No, high-pass. To get rid of all the muddy room sound.

[@archvaldor]

@@GrantTregellas Would you be kind enough to explain what that does scientifically, and how we might go about applying a filter practically Grant? Or alternatively make a video about it and monetize since a lot of technically clueless youtubers would watch it?

[@GrantTregellas]

@@archvaldor It just means roll off the low end (bass) frequencies. A high pass filter lets the high frequencies pass through while cutting the frequencies below it (hence the name high pass). Im sure most video editing programs have this ability. You dont need to know anything technical to do it.

[@MRK24567]

Better yet sidechain zizek’s mic to Owen’s! 😂

[@ujean56]

I love Zizek. Great talk! Thanks

[@zetajolyne3689]

Zizek a perfect Ancient Greek-temperament scholar lol

[@LennySugiono]

The ultimate crossover

[@dovic86]

I can't believe he actually gave the middle finger at the webcam! Žižek and the internet make an explosive combination, but despite the memes he always has something interesting to say.

[@lastruebeliever]

Not sure I’d have an opinion if I didn’t read Slavoj’s tomes.

[@wojocole]

No clue who either of these ppl are, but apparently this is quite the occurence! Very insightful convo so far!

[@davidmacaart953]

Absolutely stellar interview, you covered everything that has been on my mind for a very long time ie capitalist realism, post modern relativism etc. As depressing as the subject is, it's a relief to hear these topic being discussed at long last. Thanks Owen.

[@1j9hd97]

Corona virus is a bio weapon released by the CCP from their Wuhan lab. (not a man made virus or genetically engineered). China had already discovered a vaccine for it. That's how they got it under perfect control, their aim is to cripple western economies which they have successfully done. The WHO are corrupted by Chinese officials and funding. Their "investigation" relies entirly on info and samples provided by CCP officials

[@inco9943]

Intellectual heavyweight Slavoj Zizek !!

[@TheYopogo]

Never clicked on a video so fast!

[@bweb6]

Couldn't click fast enough.

[@orwellsgoatatemyradishes4358]

"Could covid destroy capitalism?" We live in hope-we live in hope.

[@twot]

It's already destroyed. It's more now we see it.

[@1j9hd97]

Corona virus is a bio weapon released by the CCP from their Wuhan lab. (not a man made virus or genetically engineered). China had already discovered a vaccine for it. That's how they got it under perfect control, their aim is to cripple western economies which they have successfully done. The WHO are corrupted by Chinese officials and funding. Their "investigation" relies entirly on info and samples provided by CCP officials

[@brengganmanurung3568]

@@1j9hd97 100% true.

[@brengganmanurung3568]

@@1j9hd97 CCP want to cripple not only western but the rest of the world economies. For the sake of Chinese supremacy.

[@atomiccritter6492]

@@1j9hd97 nonsense

[@refrencetofire]

loved this interview Owen, your one person I hope to work with one day

[@jonathanbailey1597]

16:56 and finally a recognition of the core issue. Financialisation and economic rent as the hegemonic idea (and an extremely dangerous one at that)

[@l.w.paradis2108]

EXACTLY. I am hardly well-versed in economics (by "PhD" standards anyway), and I thought this was obvious. How do people think these astronomical fortunes sprang up over night? What do people imagine happened?

[@l.w.paradis2108]

And it is truly dangerous, you're so right.

[@BYNAMEOF]

Yes. Thank you. Chomsky at the end too :-)

[@egeyldrm7619]

thx to interwiew owen

[@wheredidugo6739]

Zizek is able to articulate his position like no one else can ;-)

[@fracturededits6778]

PURE IDEOLOGY! SO ON AND SO ON! YOU KNOW?

[@1j9hd97]

Corona virus is a bio weapon released by the CCP from their Wuhan lab. (not a man made virus or genetically engineered). China had already discovered a vaccine for it. That's how they got it under perfect control, their aim is to cripple western economies which they have successfully done. The WHO are corrupted by Chinese officials and funding. Their "investigation" relies entirly on info and samples provided by CCP officials

[@louisenewton4446]

Loved this man, so intelligent! Thank you Owen

[@lordbrit4630]

Drink every time Žižek says 'so on'

[@AcerbusCastus]

I've been watching for 44:20. What it means to go for the impossible: that which is totally possible but falls outside the predominant narrative.

[@VorosMedve]

Slavoj and Owen...and so on.

[@crewster]

Owen, you should interview the philosopher Byung Chul Han!

[@memeking8734]

How the hell has Owen been able to interview so many big names?

[@1j9hd97]

Corona virus is a bio weapon released by the CCP from their Wuhan lab. (not a man made virus or genetically engineered). China had already discovered a vaccine for it. That's how they got it under perfect control, their aim is to cripple western economies which they have successfully done. The WHO are corrupted by Chinese officials and funding. Their "investigation" relies entirly on info and samples provided by CCP officials

[@olive7831]

Very pog

[@l.w.paradis2108]

"People secretly enjoy panic." "We want a different end to the world." -- Chile John Berger quoted similar things from the pre-Civil War Spanish anarchists in his book on Picasso. Tout cela me donne des frissons.

[@petrosstefanidis6396]

More power to you Owen.

[@owencuskelly7254]

Transitioning to a Noam Chomsky plug after watching Zizek for an hour was far too jarring an experience for my weary brain to handle lol! Great video :)

[@tenajyebba]

Chomsky now has not kept up and gets very yesterday after Zizek

[@JD-td8kl]

Subbed after this.

[@benjammin4840]

I remember listening to the interview 3 years ago when it came out. It does feel like a long time ago.

[@adventuresofbugshunter4099]

Fun outro given the little feud Chomsky and Zizek have

[@inghell]

What's their feud about?

[@ltrskltr]

@@inghell Chomsky criticizes Zizek for being an obscurantist. A lot of jargon without real world application. Zizek criticized Chomsky for being an empiricist without a theory

[@inghell]

@@ltrskltr Sounds like a battle of semantics and egos, which is a real shame.

[@mechasartre3694]

Love Owen, hate his comments section.

[@robertwinslade3104]

KZbin comment sections are in general a bit of a cesspit. Almost as bad as Twitter

[@civilitermortus]

probably u re the best at the moment,music t 2 my ear.... just was missing troling thank u 4 existing

[@chrisdunderdale]

Absolutely spot on

[@VorosMedve]

I would have liked to have heard his vision for V for Vendetta pt 2

[@stevendouglas3860]

Listen without prejudice

[@damnboy1235]

His answer ending at 36:04 is really amazing. The reason I always click on these kinds of videos.

[@jameskulevich8907]

[@jackreynolds43]

There are quite a lot of privately owned firms in Cuba???

[@InacioInvita]

Streamyard final audio mixdown is rubbish. When both speak at the same time, like in any conversation, no one is heard.

[@ArtAristocracy]

Please Žižek, can you get a decent microphone

[@petrosstefanidis6396]

Great interview! I notice that a lot of philosophers and politicians, when asked to comment on current affairs, kind of repeat the same things and not in a random order, but in a very well structured way with even the same jokes and examples that lead to a conclusion. It looks like their speach follows a narrative they have constructed and use as a base. Does anybody know if this method/way of evaluating and talking about current afairs has a specific scientific name? Is it some kind of process jurnalists or philosophers follow or just a random thing I noticed?

[@wajdatabassum8490]

interesting and insightful

[@vukasinvasic8924]

WHAT ELSE ONE CAN SAY BUT PERFECT, AS EXPECTED

[@marcadams440]

Ask Slavoj what he thinks of political correctness.

[@mechasartre3694]

Pretty sure that’s been covered extensively in other platforms.

[@marcadams440]

@@mechasartre3694 It has. Just wondering what Owen would say in response to it.

[@marcadams440]

"The worst kind of authoritarianism" is what I recall him saying

[@mechasartre3694]

It’s important not to only take the part of his arguments that you like.

[@marcadams440]

@@mechasartre3694 Very true. I wish that others did that consistently.

[@CloudyMcCloud00]

Now I know where the inspiration for Rowley Birkin QC comes from.

[@Dan-hm6ix]

Does anyone have recommendations for reading Zizek for someone who hasn't read anything of his?

[@dylanvanwyk5135]

1) First As Tragedy, Then As Farce 2) Like a Thief in Broad Daylight,

[@Dan-hm6ix]

@@dylanvanwyk5135 Thanks!

[@kforest2745]

“Could covid destroy capitalism” I certainly hope so time and space no longer monopolized people will be free to build their own lives the people have been used and made dependent it’s pathetic.

[@hoogmonster]

Slavoj "wipe nose, pull t-shirt" Zizek is in effect! Nice...

[@baraka99]

How do you spell the sound he makes. Shhrrshsh?

[@andrewatkins6689]

Are you going to get Douglas Murray on? Wouldn’t that be interesting

[@samkelly1234]

when u have to Zoom ur grandad because he's going loopy in lockdown

[@debora831000]

Legend!!

[@DeadWhiteButterflies]

Partly related, but I want everyone to know there's a cool band called You Thant, who sampled Slavoj on their single "Freedom Hurts" they put out last year, and I encourage everyone to go listen to it :D

[@martinendersby5330]

Audibly gasped at this

[@stephenhardy312]

0:15 The plural of 'dominatrix' is 'dominatrices'. (Latin 3rd Decl. dominatrix, -tricis; feminine. of 'dominator', from 'domus', lord, master).

[@damnboy1235]

Damn, Gandalf Chomsky hit me out of nowhere btw

[@JakMarshall]

Video chaptering Slavoj Zizek challenge

[@joshparrott8841]

Trump (Drumpf) is the first postmodern American president. "The postmodern epoch has consumed the American Right" - Matt McManus on postmodern conservatism

[@mikegarison8049]

Why is Owen Jones interviewing his cleaner

[@Tristan_again]

I must be listening to a different interview to everybody else because the audio quality for me was unlistenable.

[@cabpmn312]

You're just not used to listening to Jijek, you'll get there eventually :) Though I'd wish there were subtitles to his videos.

[@scintillate3492]

Zizek is based

[@floku8950]

Slavoj has the leftistest of leftist sound quality right on brand

[@l.w.paradis2108]

56:26 YES (just under one minute) The new right poses the ONLY real threat of violence. They have already overstepped legal bounds.

[@nightoftheworld]

Chomsky supporting Zizek now?

[@lja8187]

Enjoyed it, please get Michael Moore on 🤞

[@OwenJonesTalks]

trying!

[@lja8187]

@@OwenJonesTalks glad to hear!

[@richardcrook2112]

6:35 He wasn't meant to be a Viking! I believe he was actually a Buffalo Shaman. Lol. It is actually Classical Liberals who are cynical and ironic, right wingers don't like these things. Why does he consider the debate with Peterson unfortunate? He came off better there, than here.

[@dovic86]

all the other guests' intros: it's important that we act together to face this important threat and eventually succeed to... Žižek: I want to be dominated by big woman with black (sniff) leather and (sniff sniff) whip, and so on and so on

[@jackjordan5833]

Owen can you interview Russel T Davies?

[@melisb548]

Zizek suggests us to hold on to our radical leftism to overcome the radical right. I was hoping him to be more radical than this. Zizek seems to lose his edge and his imagination. I would like to remind him his own words : “Utopia is not kind of a free imagination. Utopia is a matter of inner most urgency, you are forced to imagine it, it is the only way out, and this is what we need today.”

[@camalali245]

Slavoj Zizek whom I like his ideas and analysis is still cannot conceptualize the outcome of the pandemic in a Hegelian methodology of dialectics. Yes we have no proper language to express the actual reality in its wholeness. But, we can chose the term Democratic Modernity "that describes the internal and external categories of society in dialectic with Capitalist Modernity and its ideology" as a paradigm of actual global society "with its legacy and potentiality of freedom". Absolute Knowing is to reconciliate this contradiction and conceptualize it in a Hegelian sense.