Slide Inn Podcast ep. 7: Johnnie McClure pt. 2

[@johnshaw4196]

Loved to hear the stories of the huge trout from Kelly and Johnnie and would love to hear more. Look forward to the next episode.

[@justinledge]

Hell yes, Johnnie! As a full timer here I spend 3 weeks totally dedicated to “the hatch” and I’m with Johnnie 1,000%. It’s like Christmas morning for a kid for 3 to 4 weeks straight and I ain’t doing anything else if you’re in my boat. No mental weakness allowed. Hunt don’t hope. Cast closer. Again. And again. And again. Insanity. But optimistic insanity. I love Johnnie’s enthusiasm and I share it. I listened to it twice and literally said out loud let’s f*cking go! Man I can’t wait to row my arms off for this bug! Also, remember Kelly, don’t text and drive…

[@mattstout856]

I love hearing about the business side of things. This is so great. I would encourage the podcast to dive into this more!

[@hmm-wu4qd]

Audio issue around 1:17:40? Echo from kellys mic. Also curious if kelly has done much appalachian brook trout fishing, from swva here

[@gregoneal1]

Another awesome podcast! Keep ‘em coming guys, and make Johnnie a full-timer!

[@JC-rf9px]

damn guys, i love listening to the shop talk about the beginnings. really great. i moved out here (missoula) in '99, from Michigan, and i have so much i'd love to talk about with you all. but not on here. i'll have to make the trek down... keep up the good work! and i'm all of sudden excited for salmonflies.

[@henrygries8919]

Always giving Walt props! He got me on my first steelhead years ago on the PM. World class guy. Good to hear about Michigans “OG” guides. Still see him on the river quite often. Show name idea maybe Talkin Trout with Kelly Gallop

[@JimmyCain-j4n]

Hey guys, thank you doing these podcasts, I look forward to them every week! Living in big sky for 12 years there has been a lot of change and more people in area than ever! Skiing and fly fishing. It is hard to always be in the mindset that we need the tourism, we need these people here. I always commit and get a few on the “big bug”. nothing better than watching those eats happen! But I have found myself the last few seasons during “the hatch” up on Hebgan staring at my Better Bobber in flip flops, Kelly told me one day at the Krikwood boat ramp to “be careful this lake fishing will ruin you”. I don’t think I’m ruined yet and feel spoiled to live and fish here, but any wise words or advice on how to keep the stoke high during the best times of the season when every boat put in is packed, and the wade sections are lined with fishermen every 30 yards both sides of the river? P.S. Kelly thank you for preaching the “jerk strip” and “vertical jig” it has completely changed the streamer game for me. See you guys soon!

[@JC-rf9px]

12 years, eh? And you're complaining about newbies...

[@robpatuto8783]

It's funny you mentioned the handwritten notes on the receipt. I just received I just received a reel from you guys, and I was surprised to see someone took the time to say they hope I enjoyed it! Now I have some line coming from you guys with high expectations 😂

[@loganbloedel3798]

Love watching these, got into fly fishing this past year and probably spend too much time doing it. Question I have is what are some good books or literature you recommend to read about fly fishing, trout, bugs ect.

[@ianflyfishmontana]

I was tent camping at the Slide Inn in August and one evening I was talking to somebody when Braeden came off the water and said "Rusty Spinners" to a guy I was talking to and he explained to me what you guys were up to watching the hatches in the evening and taking bets on what was going to pop. I thought that was pretty cool...

[@lowcountrytobackcountryins3049]

You Guys are awesome! I live and fish at the coast well oner 2200 mikes from you. I love hearing about all the shenanigans and hearing about the individuals that work there. It isn't all the internet fake bullshit that everybody else is putting out there. There's already a podcast call the Reel Guys but something like that would be fitting for your show title. I can tell you this for sure. If I can buy something from you for what I do out here I'll order it from you out of appreciation. We don't throw many dries for rising Redfish but I do tie big streamers and use deer hair, etc. Thanks guys!

[@johnnylightning1491]

Well Johnnie finally has a face, actually he had one last week, but I digress. It was interesting listening to you guys talk about the Internet. I owned what was one of the first 2 or 3 Internet Service Providers in Detroit. Interesting times but unfortunately I didn't get rich. Funny story from my dad. He and a friend were fishing in Pershing State Park in Missouri (just outside of Chillicothe) and his friend hooked a bluegill. As he was reeling it in a 5 lb. Largemouth ate the bluegill. He got both fish. Keep the good stuff coming guys.

[@paulmills7212]

Love listening to you guys . I'm a big dry fly guy , back pack or ride horse in fish alot of high mountain lakes and streams . Does that make me a technical guy ? Some great fishing northern Idaho panhandle and northeast Washington. Kelly i bought one of the Traverse rods and love it .

[@ruebdogg1]

You guys need to fight over this! It would be a legendary rumble in the fly fishing community over a hatch. HARDCORE!!!

[@tylerhelmond7690]

Curious to hear Kelly’s opinions on fashion. There is some content on technical pieces but not much on button downs and so forth.

[@zachpinnell1498]

I’d like to hear more about that nearly 5ft brown on the White!! Do they really get that big? Any brown trout recorded at that size?

[@Bleda412]

14:52 Holy shit! I commented a few weeks ago rebutting Kelly's statement about how fish "never miss". Now, he's talking about how trout missed live bait 13 times in a row.

[@wayway872]

I caught that too 😅

[@jasonhauser748]

Liked and loved. Thanks all of you for your time. Ill rewatch on Friday when no one is around to interrupt.

[@fredkirk6967]

I’d like to hear you guys talk about becoming a fly fishing guide. For instance how you got into guiding and then how guys and gals today are entering this industry. Are there any guide schools you like? Asking for a friend…

[@jasongray9411]

Agree. Kelly talked about standards for shop staff, aside from being fishy, what makes for a good guide for the long haul? How are they "trained up"?

[@BridgerBell-k1c]

I’m originally from Montana but currently live in Utah and will be fishing the Green this spring. Do you guys attack high fish density rivers/stretches any differently while streamer fishing? Would it be better to cover more ground or fish each stretch harder than I would normally?

[@ChryslerChrome]

Keep em coming

[@rootedrotor525]

Love the back and forth and different perspectives. I shade more towards Kelly on the lifecycle and targeting one fish - sometimes maybe for a month - during the mid summer Caddis/Eperous/PMD/Rust Spinner events. It's much more predictable. And those emergences bring up plenty of BIG fish. Not Salmon Fly BIG - but up to 18-20" easily. Matching "wits" with that fish or a handful of them for a series of days/nights is intoxicating for me personally. That said, do I fish the BIG BUG??....you're damn right I do! It CAN be electric WHEN it happens and even when it doesn't - the anticipation is always great ala streamer fishing. It's just super unpredictable if you're not a Pro like Johnny, Kelly etc. - Knowing where the head of the hatch is, if it's fishing in front of it or behind it, if and where they're gorged, what time of day the guide push is going to be that day so you can avoid it, etc. etc. But hey, those differences are what makes all of it SO MUCH FUN! Eric

[@johnperusek4]

Kelly, Did you ever order fly tying materials from Herters?

[@JoeyNix]

Johnnie is the man!

[@stevevaughn9093]

Cut my fly fishing teeth on western NY streams and you hit the nail on the head about the Hendrickson hatch. Wait all winter to get after them and you end up watching one Hendrickson after another float out of sight totally unharmed.

[@scottc3875]

Scott Cary,,,luv your podcast....what do you think about the gamechanger streamer?,,ever fish it?,,,pretty popular pattern in PA currently,

[@dankochanek8056]

Is the Ant-Acid ant part of a hatch?

[@HarleyJetSled]

1:03:16 where’s my spy camera lady?!

[@BridgerBell-k1c]

Some tips for streamer fishing in each of the seasons would be great. How do you attack spring vs summer vs fall vs winter differently

[@shepherd8203]

I started watching 2020 with the fly tying competition was so many impressive flys. I wish you do that for the winter. Kelly would say Johnnie this or that, I thought he was a fictional character until one video they when fishing together.

[@cjgambill]

thank you!

[@LittleElkTV]

I got a question for Kelly! Have you ever fished the Rio Grande in Northern New Mexico before?

[@johnstaley7114]

I am not familiar with salmon flies. Has Kelly made a video tying a salmon fly?

[@milehigh_onthefly]

Podcast title suggestion. "The Mad Cat Cast" Mad for Madison and I haven't heard "That Cat can fish" or "he's a fishy Cat" in a long time and enjoy it! Cast for obvious reasons. Thanks!

[@larrytestmi5976]

Did Kelly fish the Iso's back in the day?

[@OscarOverlanding]

Thanks guys.

[@academicmailbox7798]

Even the Tennesse River valley system, like Missouri, another huge branch off Mississippi system. Even 'bass' get caught up in falls of Green Drake on TVA lakes to the present day. The salmon fly is closer to being 'a drop' or 'a fall', as opposed to being 'a hatch' (Blue Winged Olive is a hatch). A hatch simply put, is something that's reliable, constant, it's almost bread and butter. Midges, blue winged olives. Things like crane flies (daddy's), grass hoppers, etc, even Caddis at night is a fall. A good way to assess it from a practical angling point of view, is fish populations are more likely to disperse during hatches (fish spaced at more regular intervals along a river, as the hatch sort of happens everywhere). While drops and falls can become feeding frenzy's, in which fish populations can become concentrated (one hundred yard stretch of river might be productive and miles of river not). That has practical implications (if you presented that maths to a Las Vegas gambler, who studied games, they'd view it in terms of probability math). Nymph angling for example has to be viewed as a by-product of the fact that hatches exist (and we all know how productive nymph angling can be). So we have to rate nymphing as viable, and maybe the most viable strategy to pursue. Over and above, things like salmon fly drops. Hatches are things we rely on all the time, all year round (kind of like lottery scratch cards, you don't even need a casino, just a news agent, the shop on the corner). And that's the problem, it's too mundane. A lot of 'hatch' fly angler experts therefore have disdain for drop's and fall's. Similar to how Las Vegas visitors prefer certain tables or casino's to others. The advantage of hatch angling is you move position, and you've a clean slate (when fish are concentrated, you can really get skunked if you're not on the right bait, and in right place). Like slot machine folks try different machines, walking around with a bucket of coins (that's the hatch angler's territory). While caddis drop, or grass hopper fall specialists, wouldn't even bother with hatches (a hatch angler could be like the slot machines guy, the drop or fall angler like the crap shooting table specialist). Go big or go home. Scratch card lottery players, they often travel to shops that have a reputation for selling more winning tickets. That's how desperate an existence that scratch card gambling can become. And nymph or hatch fly fishing can become desperate (it's why Kelly invented streamers, it's the longer odds with the bigger pay day). Like a Kentucky derby flutter or something. Some strange combination wager, where stars could align. If the midge hatch is the 'prevailing pattern' at a time on a river, what it means is that the angler may position themselves on different fishing locations. Versus where one would do in BWO etc. That's the practical implication of all of this (and the gear anglers who fish patterns, or attempt to fish patterns, have done a better job of explanation of what the practical implications are, of giving observation to 'biomass' as a broad category, under which exists falls, hatches, runs of minnows, juveniles, egg laying of spawning fish, and terrestrial presence). It's all a pattern, or it's all biomass (the term 'pattern' indicates an angler's change of position, casting angle, depth, cadence etc). Crawfish for example, gear anglers who call that 'match the hatch', if they threw a crankbait shallow where cray fish inhabit. On the counter aspect to that (and Johnny underlined it), there are certain things that have the capability to move the big fish, and certain things that don't. Generally speaking, the Green Drake and such excluded, a hatch won't move a big fish. That can suit certain angling styles, fish dispersal instead of concentration. The guy with 'the coin bucket'. A fall of caddis laying eggs, mating, crane flies etc. Will typically move big fish (and from the angler's petspective, the falls or fly drops, . . even caterpillars dropping off branches on to water, is a fall that will move fish, . . it implies, with drops or falls, that 'the angler' has to 'find which table is hot' in the casino, as a lot of tables will be stone cold). The ultimate example, of a drop compared to a hatch, are Mayflies in bushes on Tennessee river lakes. John Cox, pro bass angler realized that bass had moved from main Tennessee river channel, and John filled his entire five bass limit under one tree on Pickwick. And bass don't even feed on May Flies, unless it's a bush, May Flies are mating and falling on water under a tree. Every single other angler on that competition 'did not' notice it. John Cox almost won that Pickwick event 'in a tree'. The Green Drake thing at times, when weak resembles a hatch (angler adopts one position and one cast angle). Green Drake at other times more resembles a fall, a totally different cast, casting angle and casting position.

[@gregoneal1]

Longest KZbin comment ever. 😂

[@shepherd8203]

I like for you all to speak on rod size. I have a 5 weight but the shops here Fernie BC tell me to go up to 8, after asking about streamers size.

[@TheSlideinn]

7 wt is the best all around rod weight for streamers In medium to large rivers and lakes. I only use 8 wts for 300-350 grain sinking lines and streamers 6” and bigger

[@shepherd8203]

@@TheSlideinn thank you

[@brianpapiez1719]

It's interesting to listen how you all started. I came from a family that went steelhead fishing on the Olympic Peninsula in Washington throwing cured eggs and spoons...I hated fishing as I never caught fish and would end up being cold and wet. In High School, I watched the movie "River Runs Through It" in the theater and loved the scenery, the excitement of hooking a fish on a dry fly, and the message the story told which made me want to learn. After college, one of my college friends taught me how to cast and that is where my love of Fly Fishing began. I went fishing 3 days per week and after 6 months I thought I was ready to start tying flies to save money. LOL That was all back in 2002-2003 and I have been flyfishing since that time. Last summer I visited your shop by Quake Lake and what an amazing experience. I think what made the most impression on me was that all your staff fish, they knew what they were talking about, I was greeted when I walked in and helped immediately. These pod casts are a weekly favorite of mine to watch, so keep up the great work. My only suggestion is how do we get Kelly to like Euro Nymphing? LOL

[@robinfraser3079]

You fish big stoneflies like terrestrials.

[@roballen3026]

Annie Shores is awesome..

[@Charactermatters650]

Has anyone thought about the poor bug? Clawing, scratching, wiggling and I am sure, “bug type” “screaming”…..right? Swim johnnie, swim…you can make it? Then the horror as that big MONSTER comes and EATS you 😮😮😮 ahhhhhhh nooooooo

[@zugbug7]

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[@MarkHodson-i7z]

Listen to Johnny….. Kid has some business sense.