SLIP TEST - HALDEX 4 vs HALDEX 5 - Volvo XC60 D4 D5 AWD -

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4x4 / AWD slip tests on rollers channel

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@leetshots
@leetshots 3 жыл бұрын
It seems the biggest difference between various on demand AWD systems seems to be the software controlling them. Which seems to change not only with each manufacturer but also on each model and generation.
@jpch8814
@jpch8814 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome AWD system and very underrated ! It is used by Volvo,Volkswagen,Skoda,Seat and some Audi.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Ford, Opel, Land Rover, Saab, Buick, Cadillac, Lamborghini, Bugatti.
@jpch8814
@jpch8814 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I know V.A.G uses it but I had no idea that Ford,Opel,Cadillac,Buick did as well. Thanks for the info
@connorPiper0
@connorPiper0 4 жыл бұрын
@@jpch8814 Ford/Lincoln use the Volvo P3 platform branded as CD4. GM owned Saab, and many GM products are based on Saab models.
@andretrujillo
@andretrujillo 5 ай бұрын
Land Rover also uses haldex? Which land Rover models?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 5 ай бұрын
@@andretrujillo Discovery Sport, Freelander, Evoque, Velar.
@swine_tech8014
@swine_tech8014 4 жыл бұрын
The performance of the AWD system is practically the same, the newer X60 performs probably slightly "softer" than the previous model. I think the most differences are in the SW of the ESP module and not the Haldex, which possibly got only minor improvements.
@hidemichiXT
@hidemichiXT 4 жыл бұрын
Few weeks ago I was searching for a comparesment video like this. Thanks a lot :-)
@karolzabielski
@karolzabielski 4 жыл бұрын
Mam powody do świętowania 👍 Obie generacje poradziły sobie bardzo dobrze jednak gen5 trochę lepiej. Dzięki za porównanie i idę po kolejnego szampana😂 Pozdro dla Ciebie i innych użytkowników XC60
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Pozdrawiam!
@TheGustlik1
@TheGustlik1 4 жыл бұрын
Fajny test, pozdrawiam serdecznie użytkowników xc60
@alliao
@alliao 4 жыл бұрын
Very cool haldex 5 simplified the pump so there’s no longer a filter great how they got away with more hardware by improving the electronics
@TsLeng
@TsLeng 4 жыл бұрын
Still need to clean the internal mesh otherwise high risk of failure. All things equal, it is almost certainly going to fail earlier if not cleaned vs cleaned
@jerryl6634
@jerryl6634 4 жыл бұрын
No big difference. Actually I don't see any.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Final result is the same. The only difference I see is that gen 5 is more open in off-throttle position.
@saiiiiiii1
@saiiiiiii1 4 жыл бұрын
According to Haldex version 5 is lighter and easier to integrate.
@RTI_MD
@RTI_MD 4 жыл бұрын
@@saiiiiiii1 Means cheaper and less reliable, also has no filter there...
@jed2i
@jed2i 4 жыл бұрын
​@@RTI_MD it requiers that you change the oil more often. Then there is no difference in reliability
@nb-europe-life
@nb-europe-life 3 жыл бұрын
Great job, thank you for this video! I saw no difference between the two gen.... but I understood that I must turn off ESP in case I'm stuck somewhere, lolololol
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Gen 4th seems to engaded right from the start, gen 5th seems to be engaged on-throttle.
@myslecinaczej8674
@myslecinaczej8674 4 жыл бұрын
The software can do magic. Search this channel and see that Gen 5 as implemented on different Volvos behaved differently. The V60 CC (gen 1) was just better. And the V60 CC recent gen. id really excellent (that one I seen somewhere else). On the other hand the eAWD from Volvo, installed on most expensive T8 versions, plug-in hybrid, is a week system.
@bart166
@bart166 4 жыл бұрын
Fajne testy robicie. Oby więcej
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Dzięki, zapraszamy wszystkich chętnych!
@PiereNiere
@PiereNiere 4 жыл бұрын
Great work this video with awd haldex system, I have 4 also on xc60 , I want to test it sometime with esp off
@saiiiiiii1
@saiiiiiii1 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty interesting that it works better with ESP off while other AWD systems work better with ESP on.
@connorPiper0
@connorPiper0 4 жыл бұрын
Volvo cars have "spin control" toggle, the DSTC system cannot be disabled in any P3 car. But you can allow the car to disable the low-speed traction control and prevent the throttle from cutting out wheel the wheels are slipping.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@connorPiper0 You can disable DSTC (ESP) but traction control (brake intervention on slipping wheels) remains active, only engine torque ain't cut like with DSTC on.
@connorPiper0
@connorPiper0 4 жыл бұрын
​@@4x4.tests.on.rollers In Volvo's own words, "The spin control function is designed to help prevent the drive wheels from spinning while the vehicle is accelerating" "[Traction Control] is designed to help reduce wheel spin by transferring power from a drive wheel that begins to lose traction to the wheel on the opposite side of the vehicle. This is one of DSTC's permanent functions and cannot be switched off" So what most automakers call traction control, Volvo calls it spin control. Traction control is a function of the AWD system. The high speed traction control is called AYC. You absolutely cannot disable DSTC in any P3 Volvo car without the help of VIDA DiCE and even then it's not easy. The gauge cluster even makes sure to tell you DSTC is on still. I own several P3 cars currently.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@connorPiper0 The definition of Traction Control which you quoted is actually the most popular. Spin Control used to be called ASR by many manufacturers. When it comes to DSTC - screen in the car says it is off. For sure it is not entirely off, just backed up a little, that's standard behaviour in many cars nowadays. DSTC includes SC, TC and AYC. The last one in Volvo is actually a ESP system (braking wheels to correct lateral slides).
@connorPiper0
@connorPiper0 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers At least in the NA market traction control and stability control were separate options on many vehicles, stability control would prevent over-correction leading to rollover which was a popular option on many SUVs and trucks. Basically there are two ways to control the vehicle, with brakes or throttle. Spin control is throttle related, and the only system you can disable. Every other function of DSTC uses the brakes, and cannot be disabled. Volvo calls most of these systems part of traction control, same with Toyota and A-Trac. German automakers might call all this ESP. To correct understeer the Volvo system and a majority of American cars use the throttle, or the traction control system. While to correct oversteer they would use the brakes, or the stability control/ABS system.
@the_dovla
@the_dovla 11 ай бұрын
I swiped my OEM speedometer on my 2010 XC60 for newer TFT and after that I haven't option do disable DSTC. Am I fucked up on the ice and snow now?
@steelbuddy4595
@steelbuddy4595 4 жыл бұрын
Is the Haldex System the same like in VAG cars? By the way: Your Channel is really interesting!
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, haldex is the same. Control software is different. Thank you!
@jovandjukic5923
@jovandjukic5923 4 жыл бұрын
I think H5 has little bit more spining then H4? Are we see same? What do you think?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
I see H5 is open in off-throttle position, H4 is at least partly locked.
@Vamanos46
@Vamanos46 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ...Can you think of any small advantage / disadvantage in any specific scenario in which the partial locking at off throttle would make a difference ? Nothing?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@Vamanos46 It is all about response time. I don't know the numbers but imagine that during start computer sends request for 60/40 split. Haldex 4 needs for example 300 miliseconds to switch from open to 60/40, Haldex 5 needs for example 100 miliseconds to switch from open to 60/40. However, if you keep initial (off throttle) split on for example 80/20 level then Haldex 4 may also reach 60/40 in 100 miliseconds.
@lakshmandalpadado9066
@lakshmandalpadado9066 3 жыл бұрын
Actually the H4 is better than H5. The H5 lacks the oil filter, and as a result , oil residue gums up the oil pump.
@avangard_33
@avangard_33 4 жыл бұрын
Показатели эффективности у боих муфт одинаковые можно сказать.
@rado78231
@rado78231 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the great chanel! I was wondering if it would be possible to see how a Skoda Kodiaq fares against the rivals like Kia Sorento, Huynday Santa Fe, Nissan Xtrail?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Sorento and Santa Fe are on my channel, still waiting for volunteers with Kodiaq and X-Trail...
@rado78231
@rado78231 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I can volunteer the Kodiaq but I'm in Bulgaria. :-)
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
@@rado78231 Take a trip to south Poland :)
@rado78231
@rado78231 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers with pleasure! Let's wait a bit to have the COVID measures lowered and I'll be there.
@godgirlsguitars
@godgirlsguitars 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I feel the reason why they made it off the three rollers wasn't because the rear wheel got enough torque but because the front wheels went forward just enough to catch the front lip of the roller and launched it off. What do you think it felt like when you were driving these cars and what does it look like in the video to you?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
If front wheels went forward - it means that car was moving forward. Furthermore - wheel can touch front lip of the roller only when car is already going down. Up to that point car must climb up only on rolling cylinders (to be precise - on one cylinder per wheel).
@Castelele
@Castelele 4 жыл бұрын
Nice and interesting! And hopefully both cars have the 5 cylindre!
@trainslife5638
@trainslife5638 4 жыл бұрын
Only the d5 has got an 5 cil ik think
@Castelele
@Castelele 4 жыл бұрын
@@trainslife5638 This D4 is a detuned version of the d5. Same engine, different software. The fwd D4 is a 4 cylinder of the new generation called VEA. But awd diesel have remained with the previous generation 5 cylinder until model year 2017 (included).
@РадионКарпиш
@РадионКарпиш 4 жыл бұрын
Вольво класс.....муфти Халдекс як 4го так і 5го покоління прекрасно справляються з роботою
@ConBeefdator
@ConBeefdator 4 жыл бұрын
Is there coming a test with the BMW M135i F40 ( F1H ) ?? Cause its a FWD based Xdrive from BMW
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
So far no volunteers...
@koike28
@koike28 4 жыл бұрын
Czy ktoś ogarnia różnice w sofcie pomiędzy vag a innymi producentami stosującymi haldex?
@DirtdragonRS
@DirtdragonRS 3 жыл бұрын
Have you had the chance to do a test of the Saab 93 xwd? It's got the same Haldex 4 system but with an eLSD on the rear and I was wondering if that fixes the problem that these Volvos have with the one rear wheel refusing to recieve power.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
No, I didn't test Saab but you can find on my channel Opel Insignia which has the same awd as Saab.
@DevineDigital
@DevineDigital 3 жыл бұрын
Can I ask you what those wheel rollers where? It would be great when testing out my car. Thank you
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
Custom made. What car would you like to test?
@scottysvensson
@scottysvensson 4 жыл бұрын
Is there any news about haldex/BW gen 6? Gen5 getting old 😀
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Nope, recently there was only a change of electric motor.
@andretrujillo
@andretrujillo 5 ай бұрын
Hello, so far what are the improvements for Haldex/BW Gen 6? I saw that the Jetour traveller uses it
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 5 ай бұрын
@@andretrujillo www.borgwarner.com/docs/default-source/default-document-library/next-generation-awd-actuators.pdf
@laavoi5
@laavoi5 4 жыл бұрын
you should do a test with the Volvo T8 drivetrain
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
No volunteer so far...
@volvomies1971
@volvomies1971 4 жыл бұрын
I didn´t see actually no any difference? Is there? Maybe in snow in real condicions? What about if there is a software "offroad" option as nowadays in many Volvo AWD systems?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Difficult question, we don't know what software differences are there. According to tech spec - gen 5 is more responsive.
@ozcantr
@ozcantr 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent improvement, only name changed Haldex 4 to 5. Torsen is the best!!!
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Torsen ain't doing better in such cases. When it comes to improvments - that's 2700 Nm vs 3500 Nm, less weight, more precise control.
@RealAutoReviews
@RealAutoReviews 6 ай бұрын
Can you explain why Torsen won't be better here (and everywhere else in an offroad scenario)? ​@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 6 ай бұрын
​@@RealAutoReviews It won't be better cause it doesn't have the ability to lock the axles together. Haldex can do it but only temporarily so in long offroading it would overheat but in single situation it's effective.
@RealAutoReviews
@RealAutoReviews 6 ай бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Haldex can lock axles? How???
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 6 ай бұрын
@@RealAutoReviews If clutch pack is locked then front axle is locked with rear, both axles spin at the same speed.
@nik0las1
@nik0las1 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like haldex 4 is accting much better than haldex 5!
@HuiloPu
@HuiloPu 4 жыл бұрын
what is the 2019 suzuki vitara coupling?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Electromagnetic.
@TOMEKTOMEK
@TOMEKTOMEK Жыл бұрын
Ten test to raczej westia przychamowania kola przez abs niz haldex.Naped jest swietnie przenoszony przez oba systemy
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers Жыл бұрын
Zgadza się, ale żeby koło mogło być przyhamowane, to najpierw musi być napędzone.
@ratibor3000
@ratibor3000 3 жыл бұрын
5 is better. If programming settings is ok. Settings of haldex 5 of new Volvo- is not ok. Haldex 5 CAN drive with one rear wheel on the ground.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
It is not the matter of haldex itself but traction control on the rear axle.
@wrusss
@wrusss 4 жыл бұрын
Same functionality.
@RTI_MD
@RTI_MD 4 жыл бұрын
So basically, 5th gen is a cheaper, less reliable version of 4th - also there's no filter for the diff oil...
@TsLeng
@TsLeng 4 жыл бұрын
The filer is internal on the pump itself. It gets clogged eventually so cleaning is recommended. Only problem is, that isn't part of the official maintenance scope if done by dealers Pretty shameful really like you said, for most it will be more unreliable
@kri100off7
@kri100off7 4 жыл бұрын
Jak można wyłączyć esp w xc60?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
DSTC off, gdzieś w menu.
@Adam-eb7tf
@Adam-eb7tf 4 жыл бұрын
MYCAR ->Ustawienia->systemy wspom.->DSTC
@sanders2strong
@sanders2strong 3 жыл бұрын
if they used proper torsen helical difs it would be barely noticable
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
What would be barely noticeable?
@ozeltzex1
@ozeltzex1 4 жыл бұрын
What is it so complicated for all companies to copy Subaru's system to all AWD SUVs? They know how to do it well, so why all other struggle so much?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Many AWD systems are already on Subaru level. Copying ain't legal right?
@Loewenherz6183
@Loewenherz6183 4 жыл бұрын
Subaru is also thirsty. A subaru needs more gas than a car with haldex. That‘s the reason. But subarus awd is great.
@TsLeng
@TsLeng 4 жыл бұрын
Mostly because it's more efficient and is sufficient for the majority of people. Subaru type AWD is overkill for cars used to go shopping
@nikkarit85
@nikkarit85 3 жыл бұрын
Silloin kun kolme pyörää on rullilla ja takana ainoa vetävä pyörä niin haldex tarvii kaasua reippaasti niin lähtee kyllä irti. Tässä videossa kierrokset jäi liian alas joten auto ei lähtenyt liikkeelle kun vasta lopussa.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 3 жыл бұрын
During slippage throttle is controlled by the system. Here's another Volvo, no problems at low throttle in offroad mode: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJ3HZmqEbreUo9k
@cygmen7636
@cygmen7636 4 жыл бұрын
Ja tam nie widzę większej różnicy Jedynie by to sprawdził w zimę Na identycznych porządnych zimowych oponach
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Rezultat końcowy jest taki sam, aczkolwiek w teście widać, że Haldex 5 jest bardziej otwarty w pozycji off-throttle.
@АльбертШ-э8щ
@АльбертШ-э8щ Жыл бұрын
Особой разницы нет для водителя.
@lukasluc3019
@lukasluc3019 4 жыл бұрын
Nie widać różnicy pomiędzy gen 4 a5 !
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
W wyniku nie, ale w zachowaniu jest drobna różnica, generacja 5 wygląda na otwartą w pozycji off-throttle 🙂
@nicom6748
@nicom6748 4 жыл бұрын
Hey duszaniespokojna! I had a thought - if you can help me build rollers, I would happily send you video footage as closely modeled after yours for my cars! I have an Acura TLX SH-AWD, and Mercedes ML430, free to use if you are interested!
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks but I don't see any remote possibility of help in rollers building. Too many small things and details...
@nicom6748
@nicom6748 4 жыл бұрын
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Makes sense, that is too bad! If anything changes please mention in your videos and I will comment again :) Thanks for the awesome channel!
@Eu_geny
@Eu_geny 4 жыл бұрын
Ну и какой вывод? О чём это видео говорит?
@ParadigmaCherry
@ParadigmaCherry 3 жыл бұрын
kkosya__ __ - видишь разницу? - нет - а она есть
@socialcatalyst2608
@socialcatalyst2608 3 жыл бұрын
Обрати внимание, что по звуку мотора на 2014 года муфте нужно было больше газа. Так же можно сделать вывод, что если не можешь куда то забраться в гору, то надо ехать задним ходом, так на передние колеса "мощнее".
@akinerdem00
@akinerdem00 4 жыл бұрын
Cant see any difference...
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
Final result is the same. The only difference I see is that gen 5 is more open in off-throttle position.
@unexplainedwearenotalone3537
@unexplainedwearenotalone3537 4 жыл бұрын
Haldex 5 top
@celloman78
@celloman78 4 жыл бұрын
This whole test was a complete waste if your time. No one buys a Volvo to take it off-roading.
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 4 жыл бұрын
This test is much more about slippery conditions like black ice than any offroad.
@FreeBeerMonkey
@FreeBeerMonkey 4 жыл бұрын
It is always funny in wintertime to launch from traffic lights like it was summer. Since Haldex is front biased, and the nose is slightly heavier I always win against four wheel drive mercs and bmws.
@bluemtsexpose5984
@bluemtsexpose5984 3 жыл бұрын
I do idiot.I have atr tyres on my Xc90 and it drives all over Australian deserts.
@celloman78
@celloman78 3 жыл бұрын
@@bluemtsexpose5984 You are the idiot for driving an SUV that is not made for off roading, off the fucking road.
@mw0062
@mw0062 2 жыл бұрын
I heard that the 2022xc60 is equipped with haldex 6 is that real ?
@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@4x4.tests.on.rollers 2 жыл бұрын
There's probably no other in use. But it's not something entirely new, it's upgraded 5th.
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