SLIP TEST - Honda CR-V e: HEV AWD vs Toyota Rav4 PHEV AWD-i -

[@Sir.Black.]

I've never thought the CRV would do better than the RAV4, very interesting test!

[@Cammyy2k]

The crv is Awesome

[@bogdancm81]

What a huge disappointment the RAV4 is on this matter, and also what a nice surprise the new CR-V is. Thank you for this test, I am considering buying the new CR-V in about a year and I need decent 4WD performance, but I heard that Honda didn't quite excel at this on their previous models. Good to know it does now!

[@bjelinski1]

well, tesla and suzuki vitara perform better, they pull with every single wheel. I mean they break the other wheels.

[@scott8919]

My mind is still blown away by a previous video where a FWD Suzuki beat the AWD Yaris Cross Hybrid on rollers. You have to be downright inept to have an AWD system programmed so poorly.

[@DT-yt2zh]

Amazing the engineers can't make this work. Every wheel has a sensor, so the computer knows which ones are spinning and which are not. What a fail. On the other hand, it's just amazing that nearly every manufacturer allows the wheels to spin dozens of times before even trying to add power to the wheel that has not been spinning. I don't understand this. They could engage after just two revolutions, but are there any that actually do? Anyhow, thanks for testing. Good stuff.

[@SOMEONE-ME]

You think it' so easy and all manufactures do so badly purposely :) Keep thinking that.

[@pablomoreno1999]

To be honest i didn't expect the rav4 to do too well. But seeing that particular one and having in mind that in 2021 toyota reprogrammed the awd and esp there must be a problem with that car. I think however, and i have seen this on other videos. That under full throttle and trail mode for some reason. The rear axle disconnects and it becomes fwd or even it only works for starts... I don't know but something weird happens that it just kills the rear

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It kills the front to, check the last few seconds of the video below: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqaUmGRpj8uppLssi=nVeglyBq5o1MCt1O

[@pablomoreno1999]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers hadn't seen that. it's incredibly odd and it goes beyond a traction control issue. Besides it must be a glitch, because i don't understand how or why you would include such feature in the coding

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@pablomoreno1999I don't get it to, TRAIL mode should rather do the opposite thing... There must be some issue, as you mentioned, Toyota changed software but it doesn't look any better now....

[@m80116]

We did give you a TRAIL mode... let me laugh! It was a JOKE. At this point all it seems down to electronic tuning. And they both seem fine but Toyota played a very bad joke on their customers and possibly one that can leave you stranded in the middle of trail if you don't know any better. Software update, anyone?

[@Softroader]

As is often the case with the Awd-i Toyota, the results and reactions are beyond comprehension. With its more traditional transmission, the CR-V does very well, but as is so often the case with only one grippy rear wheel. Paradoxically, while the dual-engine architecture with no linkage offers all the possibilities, since on the Rav 4 there is no problem of engine power on the rear axle, the result is, in my opinion, disappointing. Especially as other vehicles with a similar architecture (such as the 3004 hybrid 4) do much better. I'm not even talking about 100% electric cars...

[@HaydenWagner-p1s]

That model CRV which is the 23 and up has an electric motor on the rear axle with the standard connection to the engine vs the pure electric rear axle on the rav 4. the 2022 CRV hybrids only have an electric motor on the front axle with the standard connection to the engine which made slightly more power than the 2023 CRV hybrid.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@HaydenWagner-p1sThere's no electric motor on rear axle, it's powered by a driveshaft and clutch pack.

[@HaydenWagner-p1s]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Lemme restate that. The new CRV actually does have an electric motor on the rear axle because the clutch is hydraulically operated by an electric motor. The Front has the dual motor system which are side by side which is interesting to me. I did read somewhere that there was a motor on the rear axle but is stated the wrong reason.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@HaydenWagner-p1sElectric motor, responsible for hydraulic pressure on the clutch pack is there since gen 4. It's just an electro-hydraulic coupling, like Haldex or Dynamax, nothing unusual.

[@Trades46]

Honda's e:HEV AWD is mechanical in nature no? I think Honda uses the same or similar driveshaft which pulls power from the front mounted electric motor spline to the front axle.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yes, mechanical with a driveshaft and multiplate clutch pack.

[@Arek771y]

Honda świetna. Szkoda tylko że w Europie mają ceny z kosmosu. No i przede wszystkim brak AWD w HRV i ZRV (w USA mają) . Nie każdy potrzebuje aż tak dużego auta.

[@jasonstathoom5142]

Thanks for the test! Didn't expect that with Rav. I'm currently considering to buy a Rav4 fwd vs awd. Not sure if the last one makes a difference in daily use in a city/highway. The price diff is 2.5k approx.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It depends if you're driving mainly on dry tarmac or maybe some snow...

[@jasonstathoom5142]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers so I guess this AWDi system mostly helps with dangerous situations (e. g. s-form road), providing some torque to the rear. Does it require to change oil and service like in other mechanically connected axes?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@jasonstathoom5142On snowy roads the system will do really fine. Unfortunately I have no information about service 🙁

[@jasonstathoom5142]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks for the info!

[@4G12]

What happens when Honda finally allocates a decent budget for AWD system tuning. Toyota obviously spent next to nothing on calibration and called it a day.

[@AlbertAuto]

Honda SH-AWD

[@alexmobil7463]

WOW!!! Toyota complete failure!!!

[@m80116]

definitely failed to name or tune the trail mode correctly. But the car, the mechanics and electronics parts have no faults of their own I am pretty sure.

[@alexmobil7463]

@@m80116 i dont believe that something was wrong with the condition of this Rav4 but i m certain that this allwheel drive system it isnt even worth to be called 4x4. My Toyota Rav4 1st gen would and could go every hurdle because it is real 4x4 system and i m disappointed that these new systems ar absolutely worthless.

[@m80116]

The tests show there's apparently nothing wrong with the Rav4 mechanics and electronics. It seems a tuning problem of the specific mode "TRAIL" or a wrong calibaration of the system be that either model dependent or this very car alone. I am sure the Rav4 is a capable SUV.

[@fcex558]

Wow test done by Honda, that didn’t engage awd on purpose. Wow how dumb you are to fall for it 😂

[@samin2173]

Old Land Cruisers and turning in their rusty graves

[@meki___6881]

Indeed they only need to do the 3 wheel on roller test everything else is just normal driving

[@mitchellavalos3]

Can you please do a test of the Toyota urban cruiser awd system?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Which generation of Urban Cruiser do you mean? Generally it's not available on our market but maybe there is some other Toyota with the same awd system.

[@mitchellavalos3]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers the first generation from 2008-2014. xp110 platform

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@mitchellavalos3 I'll see what I can do 👍

[@mitchellavalos3]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you thank you

[@davcrov5155]

I would like too see Ford Transit AWD Vs Mercedes Sprinter AWD

[@sarracino5]

Could you text Nissan Juke 1.6 190cv or nismo? Has torque vectoring, would be interesting to see what is capable of

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We wish but we can't find this car :(

[@FerdinandFake]

The more i watch these videos the more i am impressed with my 80s benz wagon and its awd with proper locking diffs

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Bring it for the test, great car! 🙂

[@FerdinandFake]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers might just do that someday, it's not too far from where I am in Germany and Poland is always nice to visit. It's a w124 4matic from '87.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@FerdinandFake Amazing 🙂 If you ever come to Poland, let us know! And where are you in Germany?

[@FerdinandFake]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Nürnberg Region, I think I drove through your town once many years ago on my way to Ukraine.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@FerdinandFake Yes, if you were going to Ukraine then you had to drive trough my city, especially that years ago there was no highway out of the city 🙂

[@Mamo878]

"Trail" Fail Why can't these multi-billion dollar vehicle manufacturers design a system that can pass these simple tests?

[@meki___6881]

Not only that but the trail is worse than normal drive Version

[@thomastirol]

Verstehe ich nicht; habe den Toyota seit 1 Jahr und bin viel in den Bergen am Weg … bis jetzt immer ans Ziel gekommen Allrad Tipp Topp auch bei 1m Schnee !! Beste Grüße aus Austria

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Was it hybrid? Best regards from Poland!

[@thomastirol]

@sts.on.rollers it#s the Plug In "PHEV"- old Version with the ClockCockpit

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

​@@thomastirolWhat do you mean by old, what production year? Besides - as long as all wheels have similar grip, system works fine.

[@ikusha84]

Kudos to Honda

[@ФаридБехбудов-ж7б]

Can you make slip test with honda cr-v 1.5 turbo petrol?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Yes, it's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sH7QeoeXmaeXeZI

[@HuiloPu]

Please skoda yeti!!

[@brad7537]

Potwierdzam, że Cr-Vka świetnie radzi sobie w dużym śniegu. Mam dobre porównanie, bo jeździłem kilka lat Audi A6 Quattro i Subaru AWD i faktycznie napęd w Hondzie jest zaskakująco dobry.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Mowa o najnowszej generacji?

[@brad7537]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers jak mawiał klasyk, tym pytaniem obraził Pan i mnie i kilka moich pokoleń wstecz😅. A tak powaznie to oczywiście, że piszę o najnowszej generacji 🙂

[@Rich_123]

The rear motor on the Rav4 seems completely uncoordinated with the front, applying very little power, and seemingly at random.

[@shizzydeep6867]

What is it about the last test that caused them both to fail?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There are different reasons for both....

[@shizzydeep6867]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers oh thanks, that really answers my question.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@shizzydeep6867 The reason for Rav4 is unknown. There's electric motor powering rear axle but it looks like TC is not doing its job well. When it comes to CR-V - rear axle is powered via clutch pack, system must power the axle and brake the spinning wheel at the same time, it's too much for the system.

[@АвторСмерти-и8л]

Mitsubishi Montero Sport please test

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

If we only find it...

[@KingKong-]

Rav4 hybrid is a complete failure cos of that useless rear 50hp electric motor😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 while crv hybrid uses mechanical awd coupling & no rear electric motor👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@nazmussakibakash4110]

Actually a rear electric motor could do better if it was programmed in the right way. Toyota programmers are just that bad.

[@KingKong-]

@@nazmussakibakash4110 weak motor.......Toyota makes money selling these junks ....some of their SUV have no boot space after 3rd row🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@drlial]

Nissan xtrail e4force ?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

If we only find it...

[@Volta24]

Interesting. Very interesting😮😮😮

[@Mateo_Svk]

And PHEV Rav4 vs HEV Rav4?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It's here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqaUmGRpj8uppLs

[@AgentSmith911]

If I recall correctly, the Rav 4 Plug-in hybrid has 306 hp combined, with 188 hp from the 2.5 liter gasoline engine, 154 hp in the rear electric motor and 54 hp in the front electric motor. Not very impressive performance from Toyota, I wonder if their software can improve the results.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

54 hp is in the rear.

[@AgentSmith911]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Ok, so is it front wheel drive biased? And do you know if the petrol engine is involved in the traction or does it charge the battery?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@AgentSmith911 Yes, it is FWD biased and petrol engine is powering the wheels, it's not working as a charger only.

[@KingKong-]

​@@4x4.tests.on.rollers......yeah Toyota hides specs.....but it is only 50hp rear motor😂😂😂😂😂

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@KingKong- If you compare it with Yaris Cross, it is really power motor. That one has 5 hp...

[@MMJotPe]

Faktycznie to awd-i ma słaby soft. Bo mechanicznie nie ma powodu by był znacznie gorszy od tego elektrycznego subaru czy nawet tesli. Ale musi być jakoś bardzo nietypowo zaprogramowany ten napęd bo niedawno na polskim kanale toyoty porownywali przyspieszenie takiego rav4 i bz4x i tam widac ze ta ravka lekko tyłem zamiotła. To znaczy że ludzie z toyoty zaprogramowali go do jakichs konkretnych warunkow. Ale trzeba przyznac, ze zwlaszcza przy braku przyczepnosci tylko na jednym przednim kole to smiesznie sobie radzi. A tak nawiasem… jesli jakis samochod wyjezdza z rolek przy wylaczonej kontroli trakcji to oznacza tylko ze ten wylacznik nie dziala, moze co najwyzej przelacza kontrole trakcji w inny „tryb”. Ewentualnie moze jeszcze miec lsd ale to inna bajka.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Różnie producenci konfigurują wyłącznik ESP/TC. Z reguły jest tak, że wyłączeniu ulega ESP oraz engine traction control, natomiast brake traction control pozostaje aktywne.

[@jswong8200]

Conclusions: - CRV has an excellent AWD system that's quite responsive in almost all situations, but its sole weakness is the loss of traction on both front wheels. The torque split to the rear may be too little to move the entire heft of the car? - RAV4's AWD system is mediocre across the board is Trail Mode is borderline pointless because it looks like AWD works worse in Trail Mode and in some cases, it's almost like it doesn't work at all.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@jswong8200 First conclusion is wrong. Torque sent to the rear is enough to push the car, you can see it in the first attempt. When it comes to Rav4 - in real conditions like snow it is doing fine. It's not the best but not that bad. It may fail in really demanding situations.

[@1wasinAlpha]

I think Honda would’ve passed the 3 roller test on the rear wheel if u pushed it enough in normal mode with traction control off. It was almost about to clear it when you stopped…

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No, it wasn't, we tried more times than we see in the video, up to the awd overheat.

[@diogoflorencio7459]

The kia sportage hev awd seems to work much better than these 2, I myself have already tested it in some off-road conditions where I was surprised by the result, but in this video you can see how Honda managed to improve compared to its previous models, while the Toyota manages to be a Total failure in the hybrid version.

[@echtsilver]

I have CRV 3. 2,4l petrol awd, AT and is really good in bad conditions 👍🏼

[@jacobpetersen5662]

No. The crv is better.

[@jeeperoloco9962]

What did they do? The 2022 CRV hybrid ( previous generation) Does better on rollers and it doesn’t even have snow mode.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@jeeperoloco9962 Previous gen wasn't better, it got slightly worse results.

[@besiburukofficial5810]

the tire pressure is meant everything 😌

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Not in this test. Besides it's correct for each tested car.

[@doktorx2157]

Widać że naped w Toyocie jest bardzo prymitywny i tylko system ESP ratuje co nieco sytuację, zupełnie inaczej wygląda to w Hondzie ewidentnie program odpowiedzialny za działanie napędu 4x4 działa osobno a kontrola trakcji osobno, dlatego wyłączenie ESP nie wpływa znacząco na działanie napędów, Toyota w skrócie dała DxPY.

[@Eugen-E]

Strange is the fact that the rav4 hybrid did ok in 3-roller test with one front wheel with traction. This one did not 🤔

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It didn't do ok, HEV and PHEV failed 3-roller tests.

[@Eugen-E]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers in tests done by others it does ok, even in some real light offroad driving, for example on Driving Sports TV channel, the CR-V wasn't better than the rav4 hybrid.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Eugen-E It could have done better only on flat or high resisting rollers. In real light offroad they may be very similar as 3-roller situation in real conditions is very rare.

[@adamx7877]

looks like CR-V gen 6. is even better than CR-V gen 5.

[@Dawiboom26]

The tires of the honda crv was soft compare to rav4

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Pressure correct for each car.

[@secret5.]

Toyota needs to fix this.

[@horayman]

most toyotas suck on this test

[@Jabardll]

Toyota została skasowana

[@hesham3326]

. 🖤🌑🖤 Rav4 🖤🌑🖤 . 👁️🗿👁️ 🏁 . . 🕳️ ✴️ 🕺🏻 .

[@endlessthunder6161]

there is no way the rav4 performed bad than the crv 1.5 turbo

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Both performed like you see in the video.

[@АлександрМашечко]

Тойота в жо….

[@clintmullins4406]

My mom drove her rav4 hybrid into a ditch. Back tire in the air. Front tire hanging in the ditch. It backed right out. Normal mode no settings no drama. These videos with rollers are just internet drama. And don’t represent the real world.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@clintmullins4406 So the car passed real world diagonal test. Just like it passed roller diagonal test. Where's the drama and no representation of real world?

[@markm1910]

Why you getting mad over a youtube video? No wonder why your mom drove into a ditch.

[@soarliao5843]

This test is just in front of Honda dealer

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@soarliao5843 So?

[@bogdan33336]

Toyota срав 4