SLIP TEST - Volkswagen Tiguan I vs VW Tiguan II - 4Motion -

[@Giacon2001]

Fake !

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Any arguments?

[@Giacon2001]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers for example: did you use the same tires and the same sizes on the two cars? Was the road surface identical in comparisons? The tests must be done under the same conditions, otherwise they are not reliable.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Giacon2001 Do you see any lack of grip here? Do you see any slippage of wheels which are on road surface? No? So how do the tyres influence the test huh? This test is about power distribution, not about grip. When it comes to sizes - both cars are on their original, homologated wheels so what do you expect, using some non-homologated ones and then the test would be reliable?

[@Giacon2001]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It does not matter what the standard equipment is, the conditions of the comparison must be identical (if we want to make a comparison of scientific value). the difference in grip exists, as demonstrated by the passenger seated in the back who made the difference.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Giacon2001 Unfortunately you have no idea what grip is. Car was not missing a grip, no matter where the passenger was. Standard equipment is crucial cause this is how you use the car, this is how you get to car when you buy it. You want to modify the cars - then it would be not fair.

[@BenTG7]

I still own the 2012 version. Bought it since the release day, still a beast after >10 years old. Doesn't look outdated at all

[@adonisdelacampa7057]

Got a 17 last year of second gen great car! Yea doesn’t look obsolete

[@fd2824]

Tiguan 1 still looks better than many of today's SUVs

[@jpch8814]

My Tiguan is the same as the one 2012 in the video, what an amazing little crossover, I drove 6 winters now, it is never disappointing, i rarely realized how 4Motion was working,I drove past Infiniti fx35,Toyota Rav4,Honda CRV,Lexus, Kia Sportage all stuck in snow while going to work, the Tiguan drives like nothing, people always thought I was a good driver (I am not lol, I am noob) 4Motion is awesome. One of the safest things to buy for your family if you have snow/bad roads, it is comfortable, a bit sporty, and upscale, best option if you don't want to pay for premium cars.

[@normt5463]

Better than the Tig ll AWD.

[@adriance3124]

I’ want one

[@brenttaylordotus]

I had a 2010. If you think 4motion is good put some snow tires on it and it'll blow your mind.

[@2004cyrus]

MrThePrivateer is that the previous body style ?

[@zakariahilal6120]

I really love tiguan even i cant buy it

[@SKORPION198631]

Классный тест давно его ждал. Канал занимается отличным делом так и продолжайте!!!!!!!!

[@charleydumas5514]

Surprised by that last test. The Tiguan II always did better but on that last test it literally just failed...

[@ВашеВеличество-г2у]

Сегодня купил Тиги 2.0 170л/с. Уверен,что сделал правильный выбор.

[@lazardenic4152]

2 mesi fa, sono diventato orgoglioso proprietario di una Tiguan 2012 sport and Style, 140cv 4mot, sono davvero soddisfatto dalle capacità della macchina, compresi gli consumi. Ottima in autostrada e comoda nelle strade urbane. Mi sento un Dio quando la guido, giuro 🤣🤣

[@denismurati567]

Quanto consuma? Io dovrei compararla a beve

[@jpch8814]

Gen 4 Haldex vs Gen 5 haldex with 4Motion active control

[@MrJordanwain]

Great video - I would have liked to have seen the 4Motion set to snow/ice and eat difference that made as that’s what the rollers are simulating.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Thanks. Other modes are here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGrJcqOVi6ZkerM

[@danzlv9120]

Thanks. Super!!!

[@mendimpehlivani5466]

Tiguan 1 winner💪 wir haben auch so einen

[@furulevi]

2:18 Oops! Old Tiguan is better!?

[@muhammadmd2148]

TDI vs TSI. Old Tiguan is a TDI. TDI has more torque per engine capacity and it comes early in the rev range.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@muhammadmd2148 Both have 320 Nm from 2.0 engine. In TSI it available from 1500 rpm, in TDI from 1750 rpm. It doesn't matter cause only small part of that is used in a test.

[@muhammadmd2148]

4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel I stand corrected.

[@Earth-k2h]

Yeah

[@awptic]

The white Tiguan looks badass

[@cipriandorneanu4661]

Best comparsion👍

[@francescocucchiara4613]

Beautiful vw premium tiguan 2

[@An.Individual]

it's interesting to see how many SUV struggle when grip is limited to one rear wheel. I would have expected some kind of rear diff lock to be standard but obviously not.

[@subazealand9158]

Most of the AWD out there, are not capable to send enough torque to the rear wheels, many SUVS has the "overheating light" to tell you when is switching off the AWD to prevent problems. Subaru is one the few brands out there that can really transfer power to the rear wheels without having problems.

[@sveagle]

@@subazealand9158 Das Problem sind die Bremsen, sie überhitzen zu schnell und dann schaltet das System die Traktionskontrolle ab.

[@raphi25895]

just press the brake a little bit and the SUV move again

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@raphi25895 It doesn't work in many modern cars cause there is brake priority over acceleration pedal.

[@00SuperGav]

Tiquan 2 was sending torque to the rear wheel but its suspension was so stiff it didn't have grip. Only when the passenger moved to put more weight on that wheel did the car drive off the rollers.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It had a lot of grip, there was no wheelspin on the pavement.

[@00SuperGav]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers looking at the view from the other side you are right. So what changed when the passenger moved position?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@00SuperGav That was big guy (~120 kg), imho moving to the back caused easier nose-up movement for the car.

[@karoalex671610]

Zdaje się że Tiguan I ma ciut lepszy napęd od Tiga II ;)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

pretor Ciężko powiedzieć, na dwóch rolkach Tig II reaguje znacznie szybciej niż I.

[@savageaxis7721]

W zasadzie nowszy Tiguan jakby nieco szybciej radził sobie z każdym poślizgiem, ale końcówka rozwaliła system :) trochę jestem zaskoczony że nie sprostał...Wiem że suwy to nie terenówki stricte, ale szkoda trochę że producenci nie wyposażali w standard takich samochodów w pełne blokady...z drugiej strony myślę sobie że sporo użytkowników nie miałoby pojęcia jak wykorzystać taki potencjał, więc co drugi dyfer byłby załatwiony przez Kowalskiego na cacy....

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@savageaxis7721 Wszystko się zgadza. Optymalna byłaby auto-blokada tylnego dyfra w haldexie.

[@savageaxis7721]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers albo torsen, bo słyszałem że z natury swojej ma zdolnośc do samo-blokowania koła które ma najlepsza przyczepnosc, więc działa jak gdyby jako pół blokada, choć nie wiem czy o tym samym mówimy i czy typ haldex "auto-blokada" jest w tym momencie bardziej skutecznym hm...

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@savageaxis7721 Torsen nigdy się nie blokuje 🙂 Tiguan ma haldexa, który napędza tylny dyfer. Istniał kiedyś "podwójny" haldex, czyli jedno sprzęgło napędzało tylny dyfer, a drugie (też elektronicznie sterowane) działało jako lsd, z możliwością całkowitego zablokowania tylnego dyfra.

[@savageaxis7721]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ok dzieki za info...byłem przekonany że własnie torsen ma skłonnośc do samo blokowania, ale może nie zrozumieliśmy się , bo chodziło mi bardziej o to ze na torsenie przekazywana jest moc na jedno koło które jest obciązone i które nie traci przyczepności - taka ala pół blokada, wiadomo że nie chodzi mi o lsd, Ostatnio własnie testowałem lsd i muszę przyznac że rozwiązanie rewelacja - idą dwa koła przy dostawieniu do oporu, więc świetna rzecz, choć raczej w suwach niespotykana rzecz, ale mogę sie mylić..Gdybym znalazł suwa z lsd, to bajka...musze doczytać czy są takowe w ogóle na rynku...Czyli gwoli ścisłości - ten auto haldex działa jak lsd?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@savageaxis7721 Torsen może przekazywać na koło o lepszej przyczepności wielokrotność (TBR) momentu koła o słabszej przyczepności. W skrajnej sytuacji kręci tylko jednym kołem. Tak to działa: kzbin.info/www/bejne/i53ReHpqm9eNbJo kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6OlgaN-nbqXirs Co do haldexa - tak, była wersja z lsd, sterowanym elektronicznie (przykład Saaba, choć tam świrował software): kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIDaiHmIopWljqM

[@benjaminselimi6594]

Ich habe auch Tiguan2 2013 Ich bin zu Frieden 💪

[@SotRib90]

Hello guys. I need your help. I want to buy a Tiguan 1 awd as a second hand. How about it's space? Its ok for a family with one kid and the camping gear or i need something bigger? Also its reliable? Thanks

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Hello. Unfortunately our knowledge is focused on awd systems, we are not able to answer your questions 🙁

[@Benne175]

Wierd..why doesn’t the electronic diff kick in on the new version? Why make the traction control worse, I don’t understand..

[@namiheineko]

I want to see SUBARU Forester be tested by this.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There are tests of Forester on my channel, check it out :)

[@namiheineko]

Thank you very much :)

[@ast5515]

Might sound weird but could you please test the new 4x4 Suzuki Swift and/or Ignis? It's unusual for a car in those categories to offer an awd system and I'm wondering if they cheaped out or not.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@ast5515 Swift 4x4 is not available in my country, but here is Ignis: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKfVk5SjiMeGZqc

[@eagletalonpl]

I'm pretty sure at some point the Tiguan 1 also got Haldex gen 5, 2015 or 2015

[@sveagle]

Was bei den Test´s hier fehlt ist die Innenansicht auf das Amaturenbrett um zu sehen wann das ESP (Traktionskontrolle) arbeitet.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

It is working all the time except the first test.

[@roby_5259]

To have the Best....would be enough to put a manual difflock on the rear axle (as for vwT5/T6) with mechanical locking instead elechtronic locking based on EDB. I have a Tiguan 2 with Haldex V gen and i've to say it is amazing on snow and wet grass.

[@raphi25895]

just press the brake a little bit and the car move again

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@raphi25895 It doesn't work in many modern cars cause there is brake priority over acceleration pedal.

[@petrKiril]

tiguan 1st generation has haldex 5 too. And tiguan 2nd has the same unit. What do you compare?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Tiguan I has haldex 4. Besides it doesn't matter cause control software is completely different.

[@robertbalkovec4087]

Software Petr Software is important part…

[@noahmcdaniel4920]

So in other words, the 2017 is worse?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No, roller test, especially on three rollers isn't an oracle over awd system.

[@aldituuri662]

Mein Wunsch war es, mir zu sagen, dass ich mich jetzt für ein Auto entschieden habe, aber ich frage mich, ob der Mazda oder der tiguan gut sind welcher auto ist seher gut mazda oder tiguani bitte helf mich

[@38112bs]

Würde mich für Mazda CX-5 entscheiden 🚘

[@alexpilot79]

Nice vídeo. Any expect about subaru forester 2018?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Alexandre Monteiro Thanks. Do you mean current generation or new one for 2019?

[@alexpilot79]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers current generation, or new one, I think there is no any great changes, between them.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@alexpilot79 Here is Forester: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iWLHaqqDgdRgisk kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZeUhq1uiNahsKs

[@juanr.rodriguez3109]

Wow. Good review. Uphill probably would be more different. 👍👍

[@MrKeelan74]

Do you need to rev the car, to get the rear wheels to engage, I say because I have a 2010 Tiguan Escape and had an issue today. I got 2 wheels on the passenger side of the car in deep mud but the other side on tarmac and just trying to tease the car out with low revs didn't seem to work, even engaging the off road mode at low rpm didn't get the car out, it's only when I increased rpm that the car got unstuck ,(still in off road mode) disappointed in the car as I'm sure my Suzuki grand Vitara gen 2 wouldn't have not even flinched without engaging diff lock. Just ordered some general grabber at3,s for the car but not much good if the 4x4 doesn't work, any ideas or experience would be appreciated, is there a way to test the 4 motion without getting stuck somewhere?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

That's normal. If two wheels of the one side didn't have grip then there must be brake intervention. And that usually requires higher rpm.

[@MrKeelan74]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks so much for your swift reply, I'm glad to know that I haven't got an issue, can't wait to get the grabbers on the car, best regards from me in Devon UK.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@MrKeelan74 Greetings from Poland!

[@kaanco35]

👍

[@daniel27560]

You never put in in snow mode or the other one why not?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

We did it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGrJcqOVi6ZkerM

[@zettfield]

Haldex 4 is better than haldex 5? Why?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Robert It doesn't matter if it is 4 or 5, this test is more about traction control.

[@south9563]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers which os exactly what off roading is. Controlling traction. Haldex 4 did better.

[@Giacon2001]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers The truth is, you faked the test.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@Giacon2001 Don't be ridiculous.

[@elzbietajakub3608]

dobrze że Tiguan II miał drugiego pasażera bo testy by wypadły inaczej ( dodatkowe około 95 kilo docisku robi dużą różnicę w testach )

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Tam było dobrze ponad 100 kg 🙂

[@Simkick666]

TDI!!! 💯💥💥👍

[@imadbenaouina4621]

تيجوان موديل قديم افضل في طرقات واعرة انا املك واحدة 2012

[@ahmedmsadi404]

كيف مخك ؟؟؟؟؟؟

[@velkilmer4622]

Тигуан1 👍проходимей Тигуан2.

[@kleisgjata5644]

Tiguan won !

[@ABen-ot6my]

The both are tiguan

[@elbowstancenow1519]

Haha

[@Igor_Engineer]

Как называются эти подставки под колеса ?

[@trev0074]

Mk2 looks a lot more balanced

[@ArTurKem-wk7ib]

Wygląda na to, że albo Haldex 5-gen. w Tiguanie II, nie jest aż tak skuteczny jak ten z Tiguana I FL albo ABS/ESP jest inaczej skonfigurowany i stąd kłopoty z 1-kołem na twardym. W każdym bądź razie, w tym teście, wygląda to na sromotną porażkę nowszej techniki. Mam Tiguana I 2.0 TDI 4Motion z Haldexem 4-gen. i jestem ciekaw testu porównawczego: Tiguan I Haldex 4-gen.VS Tiguan I Haldex 5-gen.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Niestety nie pamiętam, czy testowany Tiguan I miał haldexa 4 czy 5.

[@ArTurKem-wk7ib]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Tiguany I FL mają już Haldxa 5-gen.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ArTurKem-wk7ib Zapraszam zatem na test 🙂

[@ArTurKem-wk7ib]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers wiesz gdzie mieszkam, jęśli nie będę miał za daleko, to możemy się spotkać nawet tej soboty czy niedzieli ;)

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ArTurKem-wk7ib Nie bardzo rozumiem, skąd mam wiedzieć, gdzie mieszkasz? Co do testów - wszystko zależy od pogody, póki co nie ma warunków 😐

[@ПабликЭнеми-ф9к]

Hello! please skoda Octavia a7 combi 4x4 2015 in movie

[@MegaJURISTE]

Can someone tell me what the purpose of this test?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

This guy explains it very well: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6PceKF7g7mmpas

[@МудрыйЛис-е8с]

Тигуан II легче на 50 кг. чем Тигуан I.

[@kresimirferic1758]

Why, whole time in Tiguan two people 2017?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

There's only driver.

[@kresimirferic1758]

No no no the whole time sind two Tiguan2

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@kresimirferic1758 Oh sorry, my mistake, indeed there were two people in Tiguan II. No reason, it was cold outside.

[@kresimirferic1758]

But than you have better balance in the car my friend!!!!!!!!!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@kresimirferic1758 How do you know it's better? Maybe it's worse?

[@rumendimitrov3534]

Mitsubishi pajero 4 3.2 ????

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

Rumen Dimitrov Probably next year.

[@xboxice2005]

duszaniespokojna or any Pajero 😎

[@kEFEAR1]

N1 у меня 1 тигуан,проблем в регионе зимой вообще нуль!

[@przemek2880]

Proponuję zrobić test pomiędzy AUDI z napędem QUATTRO a Alfa Romeo CROSSWAGON Q4 / 159 Q4

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

jack plack A masz może takie samochody?

[@przemek2880]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers miałem CORSSWAGON'a. Myślę, że na takim forum jak forum.alfaholicy.org znalazłby się posiadacz z Alfa Q4 i by się zgodził zaprezentować swoją maszynę.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@przemek2880 A jesteś może na tym forum? :)

[@przemek2880]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers jestem

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@przemek2880 To rzuć tam taką propozycję jeśli możesz, kontakt z nami przez YT albo przez FB - facebook.com/StacjaKontroliTrakcji Bardzo chętnie przetestujemy każdą Alfę :)

[@ArsenicShooter]

Differencial lock (rear, mid, front) is an option on some car brands/models (including the Tiguan), that means that if you don't know that, you could end up testing a model that has NO differencial lock and it WILL fail. That's the only thing that will make a difference with those tests. Nothing to do with tiguan I or II or anything else. No matter what car, brand, modell, as long as it is AWD WITH 3 differencial locks (rear, middle AND front), it WILL succeed. So this test is useless, because the only thing you need to know is whether there is differencial lock and if yes, is it a rear lock, mid, front, mid + rear, mid + front, rear + mid + front, etc. For this reason, these tests are useless except for entertainment. So I can say it is funny to watch this channel, but for entertainment purpose only. Because we don't even know what options every car has, so these videos don't show/proof anything excepted that no diff lock fails, 3 diff locks win. That's all budy. As soon as you know that, it becomes boring watching those videos because this is a nonsense. A friend of mine has the modell without diff lock and mine does have it. It makes all the difference on rollers. His fails, mine succeeds. That's all folks.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

1. Tiguan doesn't have any diff lock. 2. Tiguan doesn't even have center diff but a clutch-pack. 3. Diff locks are not needed at all to pass these tests. Well tuned traction control is needed. 4. Traction control (and similar systems) is standard in every modern car. But they do not work the same. Especially if cars are equipped with driving modes. That is a thing to test. 5. Apparently you have no idea what are roller tests about - this will help you to understand: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKXbmHmglr1sfq8

[@ArsenicShooter]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers In Switzerland I had to choose the option with diff lock.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ArsenicShooter Which generation of Tig, which diff and what kind of locker?

[@ArsenicShooter]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Tiguan 2.0 TDI 240 R-Line, Gen V multiplate Haldex Clutch System and EDS with XDS extension.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@ArsenicShooter So like I said - no diff lock, not a single one. EDS ain't a locker, that's just a brake traction control system. And that's exactly what is put into the test here. XDS is same brake based system but for cornering performance.

[@DS-sk9wb]

4motion傳動系統多少公里要換油一次？

[@vyunnikov76]

60.000

[@emiliogarofoli1834]

That is the proof that new things cost more but not the quality like always….the smallest obstacle and the 50k € car have problem…

[@MrMadaras]

Give it a break mate. Im a 1st gen Tiguan owner, its good stuff really cool. But the new gen kicks asses.

[@evpil8481]

Одиноково работает трансмисия. Зачем в старом кузову увеличенный звук двигателя? Это работает на подсознание, что ему тяжелея (мое субьективное мнение).

[@Дмитрий-п-й2ш]

У первого дизель , а на втором бензин. Дизель на тигуане всегда с таким звуком

[@JanezPregrad]

Allways put a full size matching spare tire in the back... Or maybe just learn that there are limitations of active control in tiguan II. In my opinion Snow mode offers better traction because it upshifts earlier. Off road mode lags behind because it adds manual control of shifting via Tiptronic. In any case, very good example how not to accelerate in this vid. What specs do tested cars have? In my experience 150HP DSG performs better than 190HP DSG because of different DSG boxes. 190HP uses older (sturdier) DSG box from Tuareg that lags behind by quite a margin in tiguan II.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

2.0 TSI - 180 HP, 2.0 TDI - 140 HP. Very good example how not to accelerate? So how should you accelerate?

[@JanezPregrad]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Like a christian, with forgiveness ;)

[@JanezPregrad]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers A thought on my acceleration comment: Offroad mode Turned on disables ESC (ASR and EDL) automatically. There is also button next to mode dial to switch manually (1 second for ASR, 3 seconds for EDL). Sport mode also can switch it off. What I am missing in your vids is what the driver is doing, and what the car. It seems that traction control has not activated and that driver is manually pushing the pedal. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I would expect that traction control should take over the power to the wheels even if driver floored it. EDL should break the spinning wheels and give the power to the wheel on the ground. That is my understanding of how 4motion should work. What I am seeing in your videos is lots of spinning on all wheels. It seems that driver is giving power (not traction control) and at some point 4motion delivers enough power and the vehicle snaps from rollers. Don't make it wrong, your vids are great, only missing is a bit of technical description what is actually happening during and why.

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

@@JanezPregrad EDL/traction control is for sure not turned off, no matter what mode you choose, otherwise car would not get off the rollers. Drivers are informed to keep accelerator pedal on constant level or increase it if nothing is happening. Very often the system is changing the wheel spin and very often it is interpreted as driver input.

[@JanezPregrad]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I agree, but I also assure you that as soon you switch dial to Offroad mode, you get ESC off indication light on dashboard. What that actually mean is not written in owners manual but in service training manual on page 38: "Later intervention of Electronic Stability Control (ESC) and the traction control system (TCS)". Its confusing....

[@mirac7915]

nice car but expensive :((

[@performancefahrschule2985]

Sieg für VW

[@ДмитрийХаар]

Поставь их на небольшую горку и на одном колесе они не выедут

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXOWZIZvn8qAeLs

[@pimobendan]

Did you turn off tiguan ii esp? kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYrdnq1uoKiAjck If you turn off esp of tiguan II like this video, will it come out well?

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

No, Tiguan II has driving modes so everything should be automatic.

[@pimobendan]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thank you!!

[@Hendreh1]

🤣🤣🤣

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

What's so funny?

[@Hendreh1]

@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Its Funny the older VW seems to perform better than the newer.

[@marcuspeters9166]

????? and

[@greatdaneacdc]

Piece of $hit! Oil leaks on plastic water pump ! Coolant leaks $2000. Repair ! Gone are the days VW rules ! Buy Toyota !

[@keramzytowymocarz7104]

HA HA

[@LukaPanik]

Bad luck mate, sorry to hear that. I've got no issues with mine.

[@raphi25895]

and in statistics (J.D. Powers) both brand are nearly same in terms of problems per 100

[@TheUPX]

useless

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

What's useless?

[@oplesser]

Chiter :)

[@dflett1881]

Thanks. I will now buy a BMW. :)

[@auto-data-net]

Just turn off the traction control and floor gas pedal! Easy! And 1:47 rear wheels slips to the left and get traction on the side of the rollers!!!

[@4x4.tests.on.rollers]

TC is always on and it cannot be deactivated. Besides it's necessary to be active as front and rear diffs are open. Wheels didn't slip, there's enough space for tyres.

[@kamjarpourhang079]

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