Small Bookshelf Speaker Shoot Out: Vintage Vs. Modern

I decided to compare four pairs of my bookshelf speakers head-to-head, to see which ones I like best. I had some surprises.
Vintage:
Paradigm Mini Monitors
Dynaco A25
Modern:
MartinLogan Motion 35XT
KEF Q150
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[@adampoll4977]

I gotta say, visually, those Dynacos are stunning.

[@alm5693]

I can't stop noticing that they're built differently. I'm wondering if the pair come from different model years?

[@DelCorbin]

The Dynaco A-25's are from earlier than 1975 and the capicators in the crossover network should be updated. There is no crossover for the woofer, it's natural roll off at higher frequencies is designed in. Also the Dynaco speakers are not both of the same age. Great review. A friend of mine once owned 16 of the A-25's. Thanks.

[@cpta03]

Just found your channel and subscribed. You made excellent points on smaller speakers in small rooms. I’ve owned my Dynaco A25’s since 1974 and they are still my main speakers. Other speakers have come and gone, but the Dynaco’s are still my favorite.

[@DSG-br5lk]

I have a pair of Dynaco A25s I bought from my brother in 1980 for $50 (big investment at the time for a kid washing dishes). I've kept them through the years, and love their neutral character and presentation; haven't needed recapping yet. I have only recently updated the rest of the system to include a new Pioneer Elite AV receiver, a pair Polk Rti28s for rear channel speakers, and a Yamaha 10" sub. The Polk's are a revelation (to me) and have a great rich sound, and surprisingly good bass, and the Yamaha sub helps augment the Dynaco's bass shortcomings. After scoring a vintage Thorens td147 turntable with a B&O cartridge, I am in love with my vinyl again. The totality of the tonal spectrum of the speakers is finally where I want it, and they all complement each other with a nice balance.

[@naturalverities]

Great review! Dynaco A25s were my first speakers as a teenager in 1973, and I loved them. I acquired another pair decades later for $5 at a garage sale, and I used them to good effect as a subwoofer for a 5.1 HT system, where they were nearly flat down to 32Hz! I also own the big brothers of your Quartets, the Forte 1s, which are great but pale in comparison to my DIY system compiled from two different brands of superb quality pro (Altec/JBL-ish) drivers from the 70's/80's, triamplified, and supplemented by a pro cinema sub; their rich tonality, lifelike dynamics and beguiling imaging are the best I've ever encountered, let alone owned. Multiamping with DSP is a game changer!

[@MODAC]

I’ve owned a couple pairs of A25s. I sold these a few months ago due to space constraints. I also sold the Quartets. I’m currently on a Ohm and Celestion speaker kick. Thanks.

[@highrantdistrict]

That was interesting to watch, Dave - thanks for sharing. I've got a pair of Dynamo A25s that I've enjoyed with a harman kardon 730 for around 4 years and have enjoyed them. I recently switched out the HK 730 for a Schiit Aegir and Saga S and they sound even better now. It was nice to see they fared well in your shootout. Well done video! Cheers, Tom

[@MODAC]

I need more Schiit gear. I just have a Modi 3 and a Magni 2 Uber. I’m comparing old receivers next. Dave.

[@J-Dogg-wt1hp]

Dynaco A25's are the best in my opinion. They are rich in sound and classic as you can get .They put on a sound that new speakers today cannot have for that size group . FOREVER DYNACO 😎👍

[@skdegraw]

Just came across your videos. Love them! I have gone back and forth on a bunch of bookshelf speakers, but still can not find anything I love as much as my Dynaco A25s. Paired with either my Marantz 2230, or my new to me Fisher 800C - they just shine. And I really don't find them lacking in bass actually. They do get appreciably bassier when you get up close to them, but I frequently am surprised by what they put out when listening to bass-heavy tracks.

[@punkhillbilly3869]

Because of your video I'm pulling the trigger on the Kef q150. Thanks!

[@MODAC]

You want to buy mine?

[@punkhillbilly3869]

@@MODAC How can I contact you?

[@MODAC]

[e-mail]

[@12chevalier]

I got some dynaco a 20 in good condition, i can say they are playing beatiful, better then bowers, wharfedale and other modern speakers i had listen , mostly in jazz , blues and rock records, vocal music, opera, piano, magical melow sound . Cant stop listening to them.

[@margix1172]

The best looking and sounding of the group are BY FAR the Dynaco.

[@MODAC]

Look good for sure.

[@user-du1yk7uk9v]

Dynaco BY FAR the best looking of the bunch (and probably the best sounding as well)

[@mikecampbell5856]

I'm so glad you mentioned Judas Priest "Sad Wings of Destiny", it is one of my all time favorite albums! So is "Not Fragile". I have been a Hi Fi nut since 1975 and my favorite small bookshelf speaker were the Klipsch RSX 4. One of them died a week ago and I almost cried.

[@MODAC]

The ability of a speaker to rock is very important to me. Sorry for your loss. Dave

[@graemeferguson4946]

Priest, Priest, Priest!!!

[@SuperMcgenius]

Good review, yes to matching a speaker to your room. Upgraded cross overs always sound better, I would redo the A 25 due to there age. I have found huge improvements . 😀

[@SuperAudionut]

Been on a search for great 2-way speaker. Currently happy with Kef 103/2. They have been amazing for my small home office. I am keeping an eye for Proac Resolution 2 (from the 1990s) to get more dynamics especially with classical rock.

[@ronnie9153]

Interesting video. I have Dynaco a25s on stands in the bedroom. Both have Seas 10 inch woofers and 1.5 inch Seas tweeters. These speakers do not have a lower midrange peak to falsely sound like they reproduce a punchy bass like many other bookshelf speakers do. They may sound a bit shy on the bass, but when you feed them good low bass they will surprise you. I think you didn't feed them recordings that had good low bass. In fact, most people find the a25 put out too much bass when fed a quality recording especially when placed in a corner or on the floor. If the bass isn't in the recording, you won't hear it. Nice job with the video.

[@toddhupp]

the Martins are great with tubes.def need a sub.the ml 800 works well,very reveling on bad recordings. vocals are amazing

[@MichelLinschoten]

Never cared much for bookshelf speakers. But a very good video for sure

[@MODAC]

I own a few floorstanders as well. Thanks for your comment. Dave.

[@adaboy4z]

I owned the Kef's and Paradigm Titan V6 speakers. The kef's truly had deep bass. The Paradigm's on a vintage Yamaha amp just out shined the Kef's so I sold them.

[@nonametofame]

Really cool to see this kind of comparison, and yes, I did find it very surprising. I've compared the ML Motion 15s to the KEF 150s, and vastly preferred the former. The KEFs had bloated midrange and bass I had to tame, and ultimately ended up using the foam ports. I tried the KEFs on 3 separate amps, with and without a sub, and in 2 different rooms. With the ports, bass was anemic, and without it, bloated and unnatural. It had a very budget sound to them. I had to upgrade to the LS50s to get that refinement and balance I was looking for. I agree that the MLs also have anemic bass as they are designed for HT to be used with a sub as you said. But I never got that midrange coloration since I pair them with an REL sub.

[@MODAC]

Your comments are appreciated. I really like the Q150s and don’t experience what you describe. They are currently connected to a 125wpc Acurus amp in a desk configuration with a Schiit DAC and preamp. The ML are doing duty in my HT and sound great there. Please subscribe. Regards, Dave

[@davidharkins8880]

Look forward to your videos ‘dropping ‘ . My favourite to date has been the interesting story of your involvement with “the beautiful south” Currently using a pair of Auna floor standing speakers(

[@graemeferguson4946]

I've just subscribed. I'm so glad I did because when I watching this video I was amazed when you mentioned Victim of Changes by Judas Priest. I've been a Priest fan for 40 years or so. I'm now 55. Sad Wings of Destiny is a great album. I'm so looking forward to hearing their follow up to 2018's Firepower. I love hi fi and have some fairly decent modern gear and some older stuff, although I've just sold my old Revolver turntable and Denon amp to a fellow enthusiast who needed a stop gap set us as his was being serviced. Hello from Scotland and I hope to speak to you again, particularly about Judas Priest.

[@zulumax1]

One of my favorite songs for rockin' out is "You've Got Another Thing Comin'." Blew out the woofers in the car stereo I had at the time when the drums do that Bip, Bam, Boom part. It went Bip, Bam, CRUNCH, crunch, crunch, buzz, buzz. Was just listening to The Best of Judas Priest Living after Midnight just the other day. Was at the local stereo shop here in town a couple of years ago listening to some soft jazz and classical music when a fellow walked in. He said he wanted to listen to something, but that I wouldn't like his music. I said, oh yeah? as I pulled out my limited edition White Zombie album and Black Sabbath's first album. Everyone thinks audiophiles only listen to soft jazz and vocals for some reason, not true.

[@scottlowell493]

I've spoken to Nelson Pass. Nakamichi licensed his stasis 1 topology and made products themselves based on that zero global feedback design. Incidentally, it wasn't a thermally stable design and was prone to oscillate under certain conditions. Modern speaker magnets and voice coils are immensely faster and more powerful than vintage.

[@think2023]

Love to see similar including Advent, celestion ditton15, some of those 8"3way philips kits, first gen psb etc

[@pedrofernandez8729]

For decades I listened to my Marantz 2030 using Marantz Imperial 5 which were purchased at the same time. Recently I got a pair of Emotiva speakers and the difference was remarkable, no more booming bass, instead I got clear mids and highs and added a small sub to handle those really low notes.

[@1LifeAdvs]

Which emotiva speakers did you get?

[@pedrofernandez8729]

@@1LifeAdvs B1 it's fine for a small room

[@1LifeAdvs]

@@pedrofernandez8729 thank you, I'm just getting into stereo speakers. I currently have Polk s15s but some older vintage sounds clearer. I'm still researching which vintage speaker brands I should try for sale around me. There's so many!

[@trog69]

I found the Dynaco a-25's to sound really good on a desktop in near-field. But, lacking bass, the Elac B6's were better up here. Then, I found a pair of ADS L810's and I was hooked for life! Incredibly accurate and with the perfect match between dome tweeters and mids. I still have them on the desktop, as they easily won the bookshelf shootout I performed. Finally, I found my holy grails; the L910's. The same mids/tweets as the L810's, but they sound bigger as they're in larger cabinets. And, the dual 10" bass drivers, built into their own separate bass cabinets really seal the deal. For me, they're the end-game loudspeakers I've always craved. Both the L810 and L910's are in the 93-94db efficiency range, so I'm presently looking for a Dynaco tube amp to power them, though they do love high current and the Adcom 555's bring that juice by the bucketload.

[@MODAC]

Thanks for the info. I've not owned any ADS yet, but if I come across a good deal I will get a pair. Regards, Dave

[@trog69]

@@MODAC I should add that the L810's are really much too large for a desktop. They're made to be placed on stands that lift them about 10" off the ground. They weigh 60lbs/each. The L910's are truly floorstanders though they also have large stands that lift them about 10" off the ground, though I haven't been able to get the original stands for the L810's, the L910's came with them, though I haven't gotten them up on the stands, yet. The L910's are about 100lbs/each. The ADS L-series is known for truly remarkable accuracy throughout the freq. spectrum. Sealed cabs provide exceptional bass response, though of course with less output than many ported speakers. Both the L810's and the L910's bass drivers, dual-8" on the 810's, and dual-10" on the L910's, are built in their own bass cabinets, which explains why they're so heavy and have such great bass.

[@silkhead44]

Since i got a pair of Q150's in December...my listening time has tripled

[@joesugarman1355]

Appreciated the video -- as well as your eclectic musical taste. I wonder where your AR 2ax speakers would place in this competition.

[@MODAC]

Good question. I actually sold them a few weeks ago. They are considerably larger 3-way boxes. I always felt their upper midrange was a little hit & miss, depending on the recording, they could get a bit shouty. I think I'm sensitive to overly pronounced mids. Thanks, Dave

[@bbokdoong]

Interesting. I tested both Martin Logan 35xti and Kef Q150, but I overwhelmingly preferred 35xti. Q150 sounded decent and smooth, but the vocal sounded like the vocalist was singing behind the band. Sounds of guitar, violin and cello was smooth and fascinating. In contrast, 35xti was much more detailed, realistic and airy. The vocal sounded like the vocalist was singing slightly in front of the band.

[@MODAC]

I have reassessed my opinion. This is an old video. The ML are very good with a better amplifier. Thanks.

[@bdhaliwal24]

Great video Dave. It's surprising the number of speaker manufacturers that used to make speakers in Canada. I think the last one left now is Fluance:(

[@nathanalexander9490]

Paradigm still makes their high end stuff in Canada

[@mauriceflight2767]

I'm a huge fan of the made in canada energy's...I recently found a pair of veritas 2.3i and a pair of connoisseur c-3 bookshelves...hooked up to my pair of quad 303 amps I'm in music heaven !

[@AmericanConstellation]

Of all the videos I watch on KZbin about speakers....for years and years. No one ever makes a comment about me mentioning my JSE infinte Slope Model 2's. Never. I think they missed out.

[@MODAC]

That brand does ring a bell with me. I don’t believe I have ever seen or heard a pair. Just know from reading magazines back in the day. Very high quality I can see. My guess is they didn’t sell in high volumes. Very complex crossovers. Thx

[@AmericanConstellation]

@@MODAC Look em up. Very nice speakers. I love them! I have them in my man cave...I was going to sell them and the wife said, HELL NO!!! When I run them...she gets to dancing...

[@johntrunk367]

love the comparison and would love to hear the Dynacos, I would be curios where the monitor audio silver 100s would land amongst the choices

[@MODAC]

I can only evaluate what I own. I may do this again when I acquire new ones in the future. Thanks, Dave

[@polkiju7]

That 6” woofer on the Martin Logans might have been “Beaming” in a critical bracket of the upper midrange. The ribbon tweeter might possibly have a high crossover point causing the woofer to over extend.

[@cnhhnc]

Nice review! I've heard the KEF, though, and did not think they had much bass? Whereas the Dynacos on a vintage Harman Kardon 430 do quite well in the lower registers, so I was, a little surprised there. The volume alone dwarfs the KEF bookies. Perhaps it's synergy with the Stasis gear?

[@MODAC]

The KEFs bass is surprisingly good. Not best in a big room though. I have them currently in a near field, home office setup using an Acurus 125wpc amp and they are fantastic for the $300 sale price paid. Very happy. Check out my video review of them. Thx, Dave

[@CandidUploads]

Really enjoyed your review. I recently purchased the Martin Logan Motion 35xti and also echo your opinion. I found the upper mids harsh and brittle to the point of being unlistenable on some recordings. Mine are fairly new and I hope the 70hr run in that is recommended will change that. How long have you had yours? Did their character and your opinion of them change over time? Would you recommend them overall? Like you I do think there are some good qualities about them. I found eq-ing the mids out helped a lot and now they sound quite good.

[@MODAC]

Mine are currently in my home theater system. I believe they are designed primarily for that purpose. They look and sound good in that role. Not good in a two channel set up. Thanks.

[@AllboroLCD]

I got to see Grimes back in her humble beginnings 2010 I believe, still have the lineup list from the venue!

[@MODAC]

She’s great. No longer very humble I think.

[@AllboroLCD]

@@MODAC Not when your having billionaire babies on mars, thats true...

[@sirrealism5806]

I watched your kef video. I have a feeling they needed to be broke in before putting out maximum bass. Just my thoughts. Great vid

[@adampoll4977]

Interesting. I have the old Q300s and the same thing applies.

[@rickc661]

good review. > as my first stereo included new Dyna 25's & a 12 w /ch Pioneer rec., currently KEF Q 350's & a 100 w. Cambridge. I sometimes wonder, IF I could buy a brand new original stereo, would it be OK ? I expect so, except perhaps loudness / bass. but if Ya say inflation is say 7 x that '1971 system would cost $2200. today. the KEFS & Cambridge 1200. $ ....

[@JukeboxAlley]

Good video, i tried to love the dynacos and famous ads L710, i wasnt a big fan of either, i liked the ads l570 and l630 much better, the dynacos cabinets seem too thin and bass is shallow for a 10 inch, nearfield ok but just wasnt for me. Kef ls50 pound for pound has been my favorite small speaker other than the ads L570, those stand out to me.

[@MODAC]

I have some new small speakers...Looking to make a follow-up vid.

[@kencohagen4967]

I haven’t been impressed by anything Martin Logan I’ve heard. Now I wonder if the seas tweeters in the dynamos would pair well with my Peerless Dome midranges I hade in my first speaker build.

[@stanfordziets2449]

I once owned the Dynaco's back in 1975. I tried really hard to like them but to no avail. Maybe it was because my other speakers were Original Large Advent's which I dare say is NOT a fair comparison since the Advent's were an incredible value for the money. The Advent's definitely do not need a sub woofer as they go down deep in the bass. They were made to deliver much of the same performance as the once highly regarded AR3a at a fraction of the price. There is nothing made today that can deliver that degree of bass performance at such a low cost. I should add that I also once owned the Smaller Advent which I greatly preferred over the Dynaco's. I guess I'm just a fan of all things Henry Kloss.

[@MODAC]

That's funny, I owned a pair of those Advents and I prefer the Dynaco's. Thanks, Dave

[@stanfordziets2449]

What makes speakers so fascinating to me is how each one is so different from each other and for that reason I believe that the speakers have more to do with the sound of a given stereo system than any other component. If we can't agree which flavor of ice cream is best why would the choice of speakers be any different? There might be 28 flavors of ice cream & even more than 28 flavors of speakers & doesn't that mean there's a speaker for every taste?

[@paulflannery2353]

I have two pair of large Advents one is an early version, the other is the later one with the rounded edges on the front of the cabinets. I also have AR-5's, Cizek model 1's, Avid 103's and Dynaco A-25's as well as others. (I admit I am a big AR and Dynaco fan) All of witch have equal or superior base than the advents. In the late 70's I was using the Large advents with a Dynaco Pat- 4 and ST-120. During this time a friend was pushing Cizek speakers on me and asked me to take them home and just try them. After comparing them to my Advents I bought the Cizeks and did not use the Advents for years. The Cizeks were that much better.

[@jimgardner5129]

Hey. Nice to see Paradigm mini monitors! I've got a pair in my bedroom - the same "version" as yours. And it's nice to see BTO's Not Fragile. What a great album. I recently purchased the 40th anniversary remaster on CD. Paradigm and BTO. I'd be tempted to say you're a Canuck. :)

[@thomasnew8606]

Great review! About how much did you pay to get the receiver mentioned here recapped? I have a few similar age Denon units that I like a lot but would like to get them cleaned up a bit.

[@MODAC]

Just a partial recap to get it working. Around $130.

[@markks2321]

Smoke another one and rock on!

[@gino3286]

Hi someone has used sheets of toilet paper on a little harsh tweeters You can try with the Martin Logan Thank you and kind regards Gino

[@rogeriosacramento6493]

Nice David! You like Judas Priest Sad Wings of Destiny!!

[@swinde]

Is this pair of Dynaco A-25s the standard build? It appears that the port is on the top of the left speaker and the bottom of the right speaker and it is NOT because one of them might be inverted.

[@MODAC]

I was waiting for someone to notice. If you look it up, the ones w/ the top vent were called A25X models. They weren't sold as pairs back then, so I guess they are a random match. They have identical drivers, and I can't detect any difference in the their sound. Look better w/ grills on anyway. Thanks, Dave

[@naturalverities]

The A25s had many permutations of baffle layout and drivers. SEAS and Scan Speak woofers were used at different times, presumably manufactured to similar specifications. For many, including myself, they were an introduction to true hi-fi sound. Dynaco's electronics components were also outstanding.

[@len9518]

How about foam rot? Old speakers with foam surrounds, invariably exhibit this problem. Off the top of my head, I don't know which of your vintage models, have/had this issue. Refoaming kits are readily available, at low cost, and the job is easy for anyone, who is handy.

[@MODAC]

None of those speakers had an issue with their surrounds. I have refoamed speakers in the past. Thanks

[@antonioramirez694]

How far away from the front wall are you placing them? My situation is I need to place them literally against the wall. I am considering the KEF Q150 and the Martin Logan Motion 15. Based on your video, it would appear that the KEF would be the better choice. My question is, how well will they work at about 3 to 6 inches from the wall? Nice video and thank you!

[@MODAC]

thanks. They were about a foot from the wall. I moved them to another room and they are about 18” now. They are rear ported so 3-6” may give you different results.

[@antonioramirez694]

My Own Devices thank you!

[@armanddimeo6575]

I recently discovered your channel and like it because you are not a professional reviewer and because you review real world equipment under real world conditions. It was interesting to me that the Dynaco A-25s, a 1968 design, came in second and surpassed two much more recent designs. I think this was because of their smooth balance and natural tone. Paradigms are decent but I never cared for their woolly and overly warm bass. I agree with you about the upper midrange issues with the Martin-Logans. If the A25s were available today, I may well prefer them over many newer designs.

[@MODAC]

Very nice of you to say. Gonna pick up a Luxman amp this weekend.

[@alm5693]

Can I ask where you got your Nakamichi TA-3A rehabbed? I have one too that has had some issues caused by inadequate ventilation (I used to keep a CD changer on top of the receiver in a tight cabinet. I'm somewhat less dumb now.) and also some typical pot and button problems. I don't want to abandon it even though it's been in it's box for almost 20 years. I'm currently using a Vincent SA-500 integrated amp with a tube front end.

[@MODAC]

Nice Find Fixit in St. Augustine FL.

[@alm5693]

@@MODAC Thanks!

[@josebermudez5298]

Hi and best regards from Guadalajara, Mexico! So...what is a small room? My listening room is roughly 170 Sq. Ft. and I just traded my Elac debut 2.0 F6 towers for a pair of Kef’s Q350 (bigger brother of the pair you reviewed). Bottomline...I think I need to go smaller! I have to admit that my listening room has the worst acoustics. Tile floors, cement walls, large windows, but I can’t make major changes in consideration of my wife happines factor. Curious think, in the adjacent roon, I have a pair of Wharfedale Dimond 3 from the mid 80s. So...when I listen to these very small speakers with the effect of the subwoofer coming from my listening room, I get both clarity (these were best selling speakers) and a very deep and exact bass. Anyway, just wandering what do you consider to be a small room. Stay safe. Thank you. Great video.

[@MODAC]

Size is relative. I would say that a small room is generally like an ordinary spare bedroom or office/den. If you can’t add a rug, soft furniture or window treatments and the acoustics are really bad, maybe consider some nice headphones...?? Thanks

[@robertwoodward9231]

What is your opinion on the paradigm reference 20V2s please?

[@Neturist]

Hello there how about your Meridian DSP 5000? Any detailed review in the way?

[@MODAC]

Good idea. Always looking for new topics. Are you subscribed? Thanks, Dave

[@hamzatatta952]

I just came across your channel i am after warm, clean acoustic my choice of music is jazz vocals , was told the celestron 3 and the mission lx1 or 2 , what would you advise listening too or the jamo 8

[@MODAC]

The only speaker from your list that I am personally familiar with are the Celestion 3s. I owned a pair over 30 years ago and I liked them. Very small, limited bass.

[@hamzatatta952]

@@MODAC I hear that they are warm And detailed?

[@davidmorgen4558]

Which one would you choose for male oriented folk music? .

[@crazymetallian]

i have some KEF Q15.2... i think better bass (and front porter which i preffer) and smoother upper range, love the performance... it would be nice to have some vintage polk audio monitors to compare and other vintage speakers like sony's boombox speakers pioneer, etc

[@MODAC]

agreed. I have some wonderful Polk Monitor 10s. A friend made me a good offer and I accepted. Wish I kept them. Comparing some old receivers next. Please subscribe. Thanks, Dave

[@paulflannery2353]

The dynaco A-25's use a 10 inch woofer it is not 8 inch.

[@MODAC]

Correct

[@halhagan3402]

Dynaco A25s have 10" woofers, not 8"

[@oluhamilton2121]

Do you feel that the jitterbug enhances the audio. If so, how please.....

[@MODAC]

Not really.

[@8474Starscream]

Kanto TUK's all day long

[@keithgilliard9191]

What’s your Mini Pins name?

[@MODAC]

Her name is India.

[@paulboomer7109]

Did you say CD or LP or other?

[@MODAC]

I don’t currently own a working CD player. For this I streamed from Tidal. I decided to not use records for this.

[@thomasschafer7268]

Bookshelf speaker with rear reflex tunnel are the greatest joke. 1m in front of the wall. Yes with 100€s steel feet.

[@edwardeason3756]

Look at your A25s with covers off Port and driver placement are not symmetrical

[@junacebedo888]

Different records for different speakers is not ideal auditioning

[@carlosoliveira-rc2xt]

Those Martin Logans didn't get good reviews.

[@alexkay1874]

Your reviews are interesting but the close ups of your face are off putting .Its a 10 inch in the Dynaco .

[@MODAC]

Sorry that I’m so ugly. Thanks. Very nice.

[@alexkay1874]

@@MODAC That's what you took away OK . Your dog is cute

[@waynepollard6879]

I can see the fiberglass belching into the room whenever Neil Young's horrible voice comes out of the Dynacos , although I'd rather breathe fiberglass than listen to him sing anyway !

[@MODAC]

You obviously have horrible taste in music.