Small Flat Rides and the Chick Corea Cymbal

Here is a video all about the small flat rides I use to play quiet gigs. Included in this group is the famous Chick Corea Cymbal that was given to him by Roy Haynes. This is the cymbal that was used on the Chick recordings, Now He Sings Now He Sobs, Light as a Feather and other Circle and Origin recordings.
The kit I am using is a Gretsch Catalina Elite set from the early 1990's. I use this as my portable practice kit.
The sizes are:
16" BD, 12" and 14" toms and a Slingerland Brass 12" x 6.5 " snare.
The cymbals are a Paiste 16" Sound Creation Dark Flat Ride, a Paiste 18" 602 from the late 1960's (in the video I mistakenly call it a 16") and a Paiste Traditional Flat ride from the early 2000's.
The Hi Hats are Sabian HH 13"
I am using 2 Sennheiser MKH 80 Microphones for overheads and a AKG D112 on the Bass Drum

[@crazy8sdrums]

'Now he sings, now he sobs' was the first 'jazz' album I ever bought. Picked totally randomly from the shelf at the record store. I didn't understand it as it was completely different than what I was expecting, even though I had no idea what to expect. I had to listen to it for a while before I started to understand it...but it sure grew on me quickly...as quickly as Roy kissed that beautiful flat ride with his graceful stick work. My favorite drummer and favorite album, period!

[@Jath2112]

I had a teacher lend me an amazing flat ride of his when I was first taking up Jazz. It was very motivating to be able to cut my teeth on such a forgiving cymbal, it helped me through the growing pains quite a bit. Helped me to really learn to play music on the ride, and it helped me survive being terrible...heh. I think I got through my Jazz infancy on the back of that flat ride. I think it was a brilliant move on my teacher to let my teenage self take that home for a couple of months and figure things out.

[@DanielBaeder]

You are a great player man!!!love your drumming!!!!

[@davidsherley2652]

I’ve recently happened upon your channel Rick - really enjoy your approach. The 602 really shines when you play it in the Roy Haynes style. I also really like the lack of wash that I hear in all the flat rides. The fan cymbal adds such a wonderful sonic texture.

[@Mikas_Emil]

Poor Roy Haynes imitation? Damn you ceiling is up there 😊 thar sounded amazing man.

[@jonathanhill3810]

Totally agree with you on Roy being the greatest jazz drummer ever. Got an 18" 602 flat from the 60's and it blows my mind every time I play it. Great vid and greetings from Wilmington, NC!

[@ilovemapledrumsspaun4083]

You sound incredible Rick. Very inspirational, thanks alot

[@erichanson3356]

So glad I found your channel, love your content, keep it coming! I got one of those paiste traditional flat rides probably in 2009 or 2010, it's simply one of the best flat rides I've ever heard in my life and it's one of my favorite jazz cymbals that I own. As you say, it really blends nicely with the group for more contemporary smaller combo playing.

[@CharlesTPrimm]

Thank you so much for this wonderful video!! I'm partial to small flats and have a beautiful contemporary 18" 2002 flat that just sings with clarity and beauty! Agains thanks for this. Cheers.

[@hitstx1141]

@CharlesTPrimm I've been looking at getting this flat ride. Would you recommend it?

[@musicalmotors]

You are an awesome drummer. Really glad I found your channel. I recently bought a used Stagg 20” flat ride for about $50. I was just curious, but I really love it. Looking forward to learning more about these cymbals.

[@timpaxton6707]

I used to own an 18" 602 flat like that. I'm still kicking myself for selling it. I recently got my hands on a beautiful sounding Sabian 21" Limited Edition Weckl Serenity Flat Ride. I'm loving it. It's thinner and slightly larger than any flat ride I've ever owned, and it has an interesting and somewhat trashy crash to it. Bass players love it.

[@markdavid3076]

Wonderful drumming

[@darnell828]

Hey thanks for the clarification about the Airto Light as a feather ride sound. I’ve spent decades wondering about that.

[@davidhazlett5809]

Love it!

[@frankciccone8559]

Nice drumming. Nice cymbals, especially the 18 trad.I've a 20" 602 flattie, first Paiste I ever bought.

[@johnanning]

I saw Roy at Yoshi's in Oakland CA. He was feeling uncomfortable on the house kit (he sounded great) He had obvious brought his own cymbals. He apologized for not sounding like himself - he tapped the drums, then the flat ride and said "this isn't haynes, THIS is haynes"

[@rickdior]

Love that

[@thenel2162]

dark flat is my favorite!

[@drumtuningworkshops5751]

Magic ❤️😊

[@farshimelt]

I've owned a 60's Paiste 18" flat ride, a Bosphorus 22" flat ride, and a Saluda 20" flat ride. I've loved them all. The Saluda is the darkest sounding.

[@mrski4945]

George Neidorf: Which Saluda line is your ride?

[@plasticgodzilla1]

I've played a couple of flats including 602s, 2002s or Istanbuls. The one I liked the most was a 18" Sabian Ed Thigpen Crystal ride. A guy I play with owns one. He used to bring it to rehearsals, wanting me to play it. After I told him the story about Chick Corea doing the exact same thing, my friend stopped bringing his. I guess he felt like copying Chick.. :D If you ever come across one of these rides, grab it! Those are really special!

[@rickdior]

Hi Malte I have one that Ed gave me when I did a recording session with him. www.acousticbarn.com/rickspercussionsite/drumphotos/edthigpenLRG.jpg I will do a video on it at some point. Great cymbal and different than anything out there.

[@plasticgodzilla1]

Hello Rick, Owning one of these and being given it by the master himself must be something special! It’s even difficult to say what exacly makes that ride so distinct. Trying to, I’d say it’s its fine complexity in conjunction with clarity. I’m exited to see what you have to say about it! Thanks for your videos and all the best!

[@ampdrum1]

I have the new 602 Medium Flat ride 20”. I don’t play jazz. I can’t swing a bat. But I can funk and play with acoustic piano and sax when I can. It’s just unreal. I’m an old basher that wanted to play soft and Masters and 602 are so nice.

[@hommerecorder7003]

a have a flat ride medium 20 paiste 602. from the 70 s. very good.

[@batouttahell454]

A heavy flat ride sounds even better. Flat rides also make a great sizzle cymbal if you add rivets.

[@rickdior]

You can see lots of flat rides with rivets if you watch my original flat ride video videokzbin.info/www/bejne/eYPVfX6qm5eGidU

[@Sera69FI]

Nice.

[@m.charron]

I love my flat - a 22" Agop Signature, so polar opposite from any of these. I'd still like to find a 20" (or 19) that's more of a traditional style, with a couple of rivets... don't get me started on the Constantinople that I missed out on.

[@bbfoto7248]

@rickdior Rick, those are some sweet flat pies you have there. :) Legendary. And you play them well. Hmmm...by chance did you ever gig during the mid-'80s at the Catalina Club in L.A.? I use to go see Dizzie and heaps of other cats there up until its doors closed. Nice, small, intimate club. Sad day. :( Anyway...thanks for the upload. Will have to check your other flats video. Cheers.

[@dogmart]

What do you think of the K Custom Flat Top Ride? I saw Roy Haynes use it at Duke in 2004, and went and picked one of those out.

[@rickdior]

Hi I have played a few and they each sounded very different. I would recommend getting the thinnest one you can find.

[@Anton_Nikolaus_Mangweth]

Rick like always awesome 👏… thanks! What sticks do you play here? Thanks toni

[@rickdior]

Hi Toni That's a stick that Vic Firth makes for me. They are not available to the general public bit I am working on that and hope to do a video about it soon. Thanks Rick

[@Anton_Nikolaus_Mangweth]

@@rickdior hi Rick ! Interesting because your sound on the cymbals is amazing (loud and soft you sound incredible)… what Dimension has it??

[@oplongfaceman]

where can you get those heads

[@yonickyg9719]

ROY ... ...HAYNES also, what sticks? VF bolero? (looks to long...) I love them for great cymbal sound...

[@rickdior]

Those are sticks that Vic Firth makes for me. Quasi Bolero tip with an SD9 shaft

[@yonickyg9719]

@@rickdior wow you must be special ... ; ^) so maple then as well...? looks nice! great channel ! thanks!! i enjoy my Paiste trad 18" flat light ride...

[@yonickyg9719]

i unloaded an 18 2002 from the mid 70's for the trad light

[@daviewavie112]

What about zildjian flat rides?

[@farshimelt]

Rick, what drum heads are you playing on this beautifully tuned kit?

[@rickdior]

Hi George Those are just regular old Remo Ambassadors

[@n8w8rem22]

Why is this paiste 602 flat ride 16" no longer for sale!?. And what kind of drum sticks do you need to get the sound on these cymbals.

[@rickdior]

Hi I don't work for Paiste so I could not tell you. The sticks I use are my Vic Firth Signature stick. They are available from me at [e-mail] Thanks

[@n8w8rem22]

@@rickdior okey thx for your answer, for the time being I have enough drumstick, I use this jazz-hullyürrid nylon special R drumstick (I can't find any information about this brand, although I don't know if I spell it correctly, the letters are difficult to read).

[@wojtekbukowski7133]

Rick, love your channel! What Gretsch kit is that? As for the rides... I consider myself a flat ride junkie!! I can't get enough of them. Love the ones you got.

[@rickdior]

Hi A Catalina Elite from the 90's

[@bbfoto7248]

@WojtekBukowski Also, just for future reference, Rick usually lists the kit and sizes he's playing along with the cymbals in the video's description. ;) Thanks for that, Rick.

[@huberbert]

Has your 18" 602 a serial number or is it pre-serial?

[@rickdior]

Hi No serial #

[@najnacisi]

Hello, what is the exact name of this Paiste Traditional 18"? is this a Paiste 18" Signature Traditionals Light Flat Ride or something else? Just to clarify. Thanks

[@rickdior]

This is a Paiste med thin 602 flat ride. An original one.

[@najnacisi]

I was asking about the third cymbal you have (the far right one), not the second one. And BTW - 602 med thin does NOT exist. There are only two versions: MEDIUM flat ride and THIN flat ride (weight is less than 1500g). cheers.@@rickdior

[@rickdior]

I call it a medium thin because this particular one is lighter than my medium but heavier than my thin version. If you read the video description under "more" all the information you are asking about should be there.

[@badtriad9684]

in listing REASONS WHY bandleaders insist on usage of partic cymbal, you left out IMPORTANT one: C O N T R O L ! (& as drummer w/signature sound -owing much to technique & GEAR, don't think i'd cotton to...)

[@GordoSTI]

Great video thanks. I have one of the "Sound Set 7" 18" Flat Rides. Love it, had it 30 yrs now, got it from Joe Hunt.