Small Sensor - Low Light: Go Big or Go Home? Shedding Light on Some Common Misconceptions

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Thomas Eisl

Thomas Eisl

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@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
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@TITAOSTEIN
@TITAOSTEIN Жыл бұрын
I'm a professional photographer and videographer since the last century :) And I completely agree with you! I've worked with all possible formats and currently the M43 is my favorite in 90% of the scenarios. The new OM-1 is sensational. Like you, I currently work mainly with Nikon and OM System. For videos I also use Panasonic. Interesting age we live in when professionals use smaller sensors, and hear from amateurs and beginners that “only FF has enough iQ”. Your videos are excellent!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Could not agree more - great statement, right on point! Thank you very much for sharing that and bringing your experience to the table, this means a lot!
@gregm6894
@gregm6894 Жыл бұрын
What's funny, is that when I got into wedding and portrait photography back around 1990, everyone was saying "Only medium format is high enough quality for professional work. 35mm is an 'amateur' format -- good for vacation photos, etc." I used to pitch my use of Medium Format cameras as a selling point! Ha, ha, now it's, "Only 35mm FF format is high enough quality for professional work. m4/3's is an amateur format, fine for vacation and internet, etc." 🙂
@TITAOSTEIN
@TITAOSTEIN Жыл бұрын
@@gregm6894 Exactly. Cameras are tools. You need the right tool for the job. Right now many people believes that only Sony FF is “capable enough” and should be used in all situations.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Agreed 💯 - also love how people who have never used a DSLR know that mirrorless focuses better in every situation (which is absolutely not the case).
@ElementaryWatson-123
@ElementaryWatson-123 Жыл бұрын
@@gregm6894 don't you think 30+ years of technological development had any impact? Both statements about medium format back in 1990 and full frame today are true.
@nellatrab
@nellatrab 9 ай бұрын
Just discovered your channel due to purchasing my second OM, an OM-5...I am totally WOW-ed by your information and teaching. Thank you!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 9 ай бұрын
Thank you very much, that means a lot! Welcome to the channel and congratulations on your new second OM-5. It is an awesome camera 📸
@azjoe_6310
@azjoe_6310 Жыл бұрын
You are one of the most practical photographers on KZbin. People need to look at what they shoot before demanding certain performance from a camera in low light. 99% of my photos are travel photography. I don’t shoot hockey games or indoor soccer matches so I don’t need high shutter speeds in low light. I shot full frame in 2019 during 3 weeks in Europe (1 in your beloved Vienna). A year later, I switched to micro 4/3 and spent 3 weeks traveling Poland this past Sept and didn’t find one situation where I missed the full frame.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, I very much appreciate that you think so. I can only state that our experiences match a 100% - once you try smaller, you find out you can get the shot as well. All sensors have their place, it is mostly about what is most fun to use at a given moment, not really about the "need", right? Next time in Vienna, we gonna share a coffee, hopefully!
@david_allen1
@david_allen1 Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Thanks for the wonderful in-depth study of ISO and low light photography. I am one of those photographers that has gotten nervous when recently I had to shoot an event with my new OM-1 in a cellar! Light was not great and I used diffused flash to capture people, although I prefer not to use flash. Aside from thanking you, I also wrote to say I think you touched on a really important aspect of photography, at least for non-professional photographers, and that is having fun shooting! If I don't have fun shooting, it doesn't matter what gear I have, I will eventually stop shooting. So having fun is key to me (in addition to getting the shot!).
@mjb1954
@mjb1954 Жыл бұрын
I think full frame sensors have some physical advantages that are impossible to argue against, but the question is, do these physical advantages translate into better images for the average, low-demand shooter. I've shot FF, APS-C, and now M4/3 and my experience mirrors yours - I'm not missing the larger cameras and lenses. I find that M4/3 generally offers excellent low-light performance and gives me good dynamic range - the compact form factor and excellent IBIS is icing on the cake, really. I think the problem is that people are not honest with themselves when assessing their needs, and they fall for the marketing spiel that convinces them they "need" every nth of performance in all situations.
@david_allen1
@david_allen1 Жыл бұрын
@@mjb1954 I think there's a lot of truth in that. And manufacturers exploit the "more is better" mentality that is prevalent within the photographic community for their financial gain -- there is no incentive for them to stop pushing higher numbers in a shrinking market, and some KZbin influencers help perpetuate the mentality. So it's really up to the individual use case -- what is enough resolution for the intended use of the images.
@MartinMichiels
@MartinMichiels Жыл бұрын
​@@mjb1954 yes they are not honest with themselves when it comes to needs because they want the best and like to spend money... and also, people do not realize that we can take pictures that were just impossible to take in the film era and sometimes it brothers me because it is the quality of light that makes the photo not the fact that you can get a shot in pure darkness... So all in all, new sensors allow us more photographic opportunities but some people are judging cameras on photos that sometimes should not have been taken in the first place, lol !
@Centauri27
@Centauri27 Жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation of low light with smaller sensors Thomas! Should be required watching for all Micro Four Thirds shooters (and FF fans too). Your concert footage with the LX100 is simply amazing.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! That's a very kind and much appreciated feedback ☺️
@vytautasslenderis2702
@vytautasslenderis2702 9 ай бұрын
A friend of mine, a wedding photographer, said she most often stops down her Canon full frame lenses to f2.4 or f2.8 to have a better keeper rate as to sharpness. In similar lighting conditions, I use my 17 1.2 and 45 1.2 lenses wide open. Depth of field is enough and ISO can be set two stops lower, in which case the advantage of full frame sensor basically vanishes. I confidently use my lenses wide open. With full frame, that is more challenging. Thanks for good video.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 8 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for your very valuable contribution. I completely agree, this is exactly the point!
@gregsullivan7408
@gregsullivan7408 8 ай бұрын
Exactly - take identical photos with two different cameras - this will result in the total light *quantity* used by both being equal (due to equivalency), and if the sensor tech is similar between the two, the noise will be equal. This is something Tony Northrup taught us many years ago, in fact.
@akeluify
@akeluify Жыл бұрын
This video and your channel brought around a complete renaissance of my photography. I sold my em-1 and gear about 7 years ago unfortunately due to life but recently got back into it with om-1 and your videos have been excellent for me to fill in the gaps of my self-taught knowledge succinctly in a way that is easy to take onboard and really grasp. My photography has gone up several levels in quality basically overnight. Combine that with the fresh mindset/lack of muscle memory and the olympus 25 1.2 pro for low light and i am just completely gob smacked in every which way with the results i am now getting. I can clearly see how much improvement is from what ive learnt from you, and how much is from the new gear, but all together its made me realise just how happy and glad i am that i bought back into olympus m43. It very much fits my needs and god is it so fun and capable!!. Thank you thank you thank you. I will be watching all your stuff moving forward. For anyone wondering, last time i was using only primes, but this time i decided to try my luck learning zooms, so i went 12-40 2.8 and 40-150 2.8, and for low light the 25 1.2. I think these three lens should have me covered for a long time, and that this is the push i needed to really have the confidence in myself to do this as more then just a hobby for myself.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Dear Matt! It is stories like yours that make me get up and produce videos. I am so happy about this, and it is so great to hear that you were not only inspired to create once more, but that you have been able to realize the full potential of the OM-1 as a high end tool for your work as an artist. I am convinced that the lenses will serve you very well for all jobs, these optics are outstanding, the sky is the limit. I hope to not only read from you again but also to see your work. Thanks for this inspiring comment, it is absolutely fantastic that you share your Vision as a photographer once more with the world. 📸 All the best, Thomas
@tombroski5640
@tombroski5640 10 ай бұрын
Super Video, ausgezeichnet erklärt von einem Profi!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 10 ай бұрын
Vielen Dank!
@pjay3028
@pjay3028 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely fascinating. This is yet another example of your brilliant, well thought through advice. I really appreciate getting advice that comes from someone who really understands what they're talking about. Unfortunately it's so rare! Thank you so much.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this exceptional comment. I very much appreciate your kind words, made my day!
@pjay3028
@pjay3028 Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I'm looking forward to your next video already 👍👍
@FernandoG_
@FernandoG_ Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for a great video, Thomas! this is why many people with cropped-sensor cameras still produce great low-light photos. Technology can be easily purchased upfront, but the expertise and judgement to make best use of that technology can only be gained over time. In 2.5 years of using Fuji X, I had to overcome mental blocks of always using larger apertures at the expense of sharpness, or underexposing in low-light for not using high-ISOs, at the expense of noise. After I removed those mental blocks... and improved my post-processing skills... and started to look for best light available in every scene, I felt like I had purchased a new camera.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Fernando, could not agree more! Great statement - smaller sensors are absolutely not preventing you from geting the shot. Thanks for your thoughtful contribution!
@JohnChubbSr
@JohnChubbSr 7 ай бұрын
Such a great analysis of low-light photography! Absolutely fantastic, thank you! This gives me a better understanding of these conditions, very much appreciated!!!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@malcolmwright6948
@malcolmwright6948 Жыл бұрын
Extremely well put, I must congratulate you on clarifying a much debated topic.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@JezdziecBezNicka
@JezdziecBezNicka Жыл бұрын
Your point on correct exposure is very important. I've noticed I am getting pretty good results on OM-1 on ISO 12800, provided that I make sure not to underexpose.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Agreed! I am often having a hard time to set a high ISO number, but it is all in my head - what ruins the image is not the ISO number, but trying to fix it in post. Thanks!
@rasmus_mattsson
@rasmus_mattsson Жыл бұрын
Very nice video and conclusions. It's nice to hear someone other than my self finally mentioning the actual benefits of more depth of field rather than always whining about the slightly more difficulty in using shorter depth of field. Other situations where this comes in handy is street and documentary photography for example, the old saying "F8 and be there" is with m43 (given the same field of view) F4 and be there, that alone gains you two stops of ISO or shutter speed depending on what you want. Macro is another huge benefit where people struggle with too shallow depth of field. I'm saying this as a user of the L-mount (Lumix S1R) who shot m43 for 7 years and now realize I should have stayed with that. It's easy to look to the other side and different systems but the cameras are not limiting factors, we are. Picking up my old E-M5 to go out and shoot is such a huge relief, small, compact and light I don't notice it on my shoulder and the image quality is superb even now 11 years later. Ps. With software like DXO Photolab now my old E-M5 files looks like a new sensor a few generations newer, that software is magic and brings out the best of what old and new cameras are actually capable of.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for this comment and for sharing your valuable experiences. We've got quite some things in common - once you realize that M43 is more than good enough, it is just a very compelling system. You can get the job done and enjoy off time with light, capable gear. Again, completely agree and thanks for the comment!
@ted5017
@ted5017 5 ай бұрын
Vielen Dank for taking the time to compare these three camera formats. A great video with valuable information indeed!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much, that means a lot to me. Best, Thomas 📸
@billb8262
@billb8262 2 ай бұрын
So starving a sensor of light is the cause of so much color noise. I shot a landscape in San Diego and had tons of noise at ISO 100. I had a Nikon D750, which is amazing in low light. I could not figure out what went wrong, but it makes sense now. I needed to allow the ISO to increase for that sunset shot but I refused, wanting to"best image quality" when in reality I ruined it. Much appreciated. This confirms my suspicions.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 2 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing that!
@LarryFasnacht
@LarryFasnacht Жыл бұрын
So now, of course, you need to have a video explaining how you properly expose with the smaller sensor to take advantage of the ISO. I think that you sort of, addressed this in a previous video. I’ll have to check. But I’ll love to see something specific to this issue.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Noted! I have on video up about DR and Exp Metering with the OM-1, but I will expand on that in the future! Thank you Larry!
@frankwu2699
@frankwu2699 Жыл бұрын
Took me quite a few years and quite a few different cameras to realise what you concluded. Very true and thank you for sharing such rare true information!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much - for the kind comment and for confirming my findings!
@stephenelderphoto
@stephenelderphoto Жыл бұрын
Practical and top quality information once again Thomas. I really appreciate these comparisons with other formats rather than looking at M43 in a vacuum. I'm looking forward to see what your next video brings. Thanks!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you very much for your kind words and see next time 😉
@georgebowden6748
@georgebowden6748 Жыл бұрын
Thankyou for a very honest & detailed explanation. This has been valuable information for me as I'm considering changing to a lighter system at the moment & I think you've persuaded me to do just that. Thanks again.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Great to hear - honestly, I think you will be happy. I've got everything from digital medium format to 35mm cameras, and I'm practically only using MFT. It is a bit more challenging when it is darker, but that's about it. Feel free to get in touch if you want to know more.
@tonyalford528
@tonyalford528 Жыл бұрын
Another great and informative presentation
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@jimcausey1674
@jimcausey1674 8 күн бұрын
Your presentation of technical content is exemplary - superior to others specializing in FF cameras. Your speaking style is very effective for conveying concepts. I have been thrilled by working with slow shutter speeds using the OM-1 without a tripod. Beach scenes and static cityscapes at night would otherwise require a tripod. The relatively small sensor is then advantageous.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 3 күн бұрын
Thank you very much, Jim. Your extraordinarily kind words mean a lot to me. All in all, I'd say that a smaller camera system brings many advantages in practice. Even though I still own my other equipment, I practically never use it.
@jackmatthews9390
@jackmatthews9390 Жыл бұрын
Actually very good information!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@frankaltobelli
@frankaltobelli 6 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 6 ай бұрын
Thank you very much!
@DaveHaynie
@DaveHaynie Жыл бұрын
I noticed years back, shooting with my OM-D E-M5 Mark II and then Pen-F, that I really did have to keep dynamic range in mind when shooting in challenging lighting, maybe taking brackets when in doubt. When I did, I got the results I was after. Having occasionally written about these things, it seems apparent that today's FF and MF cameras are so good, many photographers simply don't pay attention to DR. Which works... until it doesn't. It's always important to fully understand the tool you're using.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Completely agree Dave! Even cameras with more dynamic range benefit from a precise, controlled workflow. Nothing beats "getting it right in camera".
@richardlandor7130
@richardlandor7130 Жыл бұрын
Simple, very informative video again. Thanks!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you Richard!
@BrentODell
@BrentODell Жыл бұрын
I recently went from Canon FF(R6 and R5) to a Panasonic Lumix G9. I previously used a G9 and an Olympus E-M1 mk ii, and sold them to chase sensor size and megapixels. I've realized that I'd rather have a compact, weather resistant kit and work a little harder the nail exposure than to have a larger, more expensive kit and have more ability to fix it in post.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Many thanks for sharing that. It is a very relatable "journey", one that many photographers can relate to, including myself. The G9 is an amazing camera, and the price is just incredible. I'm sure this was the right call for your and you will get the results you are looking for. Best wishes!
@otm646
@otm646 Жыл бұрын
The quality of your content is definitely getting picked up in the algorithm, your depth of professionalism really comes through.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your incredibly kind words. I very much appreciate that and I will try my best to live up to your assessment!
@phsb66
@phsb66 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your support!
@nevvanclarke9225
@nevvanclarke9225 Жыл бұрын
I have been using the Fuji XT5 now for about five weeks and this thing is incredible in lowlight and given that it's a crop centre camera and 40 megapixels it absolutely validates this video from Thomas. There is also a lot of other techniques you can use to minimise noise as well. And editing plays a part and you can use different grads as well
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@nevvanclarke9225
@nevvanclarke9225 Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I love your videos...I'm semi professional photographer and it's great. I also teach photography and many if the videos you've done I've shared
@SchatzFamilyHF
@SchatzFamilyHF Жыл бұрын
Another video that explains everything beautifully. I find it helpful to remember that the sensor gets less light at high ISOs, so the dynamic range is necessarily reduced. Still enough Dr for many purposes, though. Raising the ISO doesn't make the sensor more sensitive. Another excellent video.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Great to read - many thanks for your kind words! Yes, you cannot really make a sensor more sensitive to light.
@nixl3518
@nixl3518 Жыл бұрын
What a brilliant and memorable conclusion!! 😂 Your meticulous explanations are exceedingly helpful to those of us that are far behind you in sophistication in the realm of digital cameras! Thank you very much!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Many thanks! Great to hear!
@fungiformenow
@fungiformenow 7 ай бұрын
Brilliant tie!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 7 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@hrvojekant9415
@hrvojekant9415 Жыл бұрын
Excelent presentation. Thank You
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@pokeypop99
@pokeypop99 10 ай бұрын
First off, Thank you! Your videos are extremely helpful! Question: Could you please clarify a bit what you mean by treating digital sensors like slide film? I'm guessing it may be that slide film doesn't allow you to "push" ISO or negative development, plus there's no opportunity for exposure adjustment like we had with in print development. Therefore, slides must be exposed right in the camera. With slides, it's a one shot chance.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 10 ай бұрын
Thank you! That is exactly what I meant - get it right in camera. Technically, you can pull a digital image without penalties (given that no information was clipped during recording) but that is a corner case. So my recommendation is to expose correctly, just like exposing slide film. Best, Thomas 📸
@chrispatmore8944
@chrispatmore8944 Жыл бұрын
Another good one. For the past decade or so I've been primarily a live music photographer, so low light is my world, especially as I mainly shoot in small venues (i.e. pubs). I first shot some bands back in the late '70s and early '80s, on slide film. In fact, almost everything I shot was on slide film. Not much room for error there. My first DSLR was an Olympus Four Thirds, because I always shot with Olympus film cameras. It wasn't very good in low light, so I went to APS-C, then 35mm sensors. I switched back to Olympus M4/3 in the middle of 2021, expecting the low light performance to be a lot worse than my Canon "full frame" DSLR. I was really surprised at how little difference there actually was in noise levels, even when pixel peeping. On social media and my website, no one has even noticed that I switched camera systems. If anything, the photos have been getting more compliments. What I did notice was that the Olympus was actually getting more shots in focus, and the exposure was better, because I could see it through the eyepiece, rather than having to double check it on the back of the screen like I did with the DSLR. The biggest problem I have been encountering lately is the lighting. There seems to be a trend to much dimmer stage lights and increased use of the LED RGB primaries, so that the sensor is being blasted with red, green or blue, which makes getting accurate exposure difficult. As such, I now mostly shoot in B&W with a B&W preview. Basically, monochromatic lighting, monochrome photos. And B&W also helps reduce the noise. I print the photos full page in my 20 x 20 cm zine and there's no discernible noise. Although I mainly shoot digital, I still shoot some (B&W) film at the gigs. That's on HP5 pushed two stops. The grain on that it is a lot more visible than the noise on the M4/3 shots at 3200 or higher. But that film has a lot more latitude/dynamic range to play with, especially if it is under or over exposed. Having shot film for decades, I just treat my M4/3 camera like my film camera, but with an almost never-ending roll of film. I just set the same limitations. I don't push the camera's ISO beyond a certain limit, so if it's too dark, I don't have to shoot because I'm mostly not being paid. And if I am, I ask for the lights to be turned up because I'm working for the band. Another thing I have noticed is a certain snobbery amongst music photographers. If you're not shooting "full frame" then you aren't part of the club and can't be serious about it because FF is the only real format for the job. I'll admit, I was guilty of that attitude for a while when I started shooting FF. Switching to M4/3 was actually a bit of a humbling experience, because I realised that I can still get great shots without breaking the bank or my back. And as Groucho said, "I wouldn't want to belong to a club that would have me as a member".
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing your extensive experiences - that was very valuable! I could not agree more - and while every format and medium has its own advantages and disadvantages, in the hands of a capable photographer they are all sufficient. It is quite interesting that you mention the Autofocus of M43 - I also found it to be very good, especially in the OM-1! Thanks again and best wishes! 📸
@johnyutzey6504
@johnyutzey6504 6 ай бұрын
Both interesting and helpful, and thanks for making this video. I shoot M43 about 80% of the time (as well as APS-C, 1" P&S, and 35mm film). As an old film shooter, I frequently preach the importance of good shooting technique regardless of what format you are shooting or how technologically advanced your camera(s) might be. As good as current digital cameras are (and how much latitude/forgiveness they might afford you), they won't save you from sloppy technique in every shooting situation you might encounter. Low light is certainly one of those situations. This just gives me one more reason to preach. Great video!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 6 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing your valuable experiences, I could not agree more! Preaching is definitely in order when it comes to shooting technique, it is a pity how often it is overlooked! Best, Thomas 📸
@paolopicchel653
@paolopicchel653 Жыл бұрын
Excellent technical discussion, truly unique! I also find that there is currently a certain obsession with high iso, in my opinion the real disadvantage compared to full frame is a certain loss of three-dimensionality. Thank you.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Agreed - the look is completely different and either you like it or not. But high ISO is not an issue! Thanks for contributing!
@torb-no
@torb-no Жыл бұрын
While I use crop myself (APS-C), I certainly think *the look* is the best reason for basis of choosing format. Because the way the focus falls off really is very different depending on format!
@mikafoxx2717
@mikafoxx2717 Жыл бұрын
​@@torb-noit's mostly down to practical lens designs, making an f1 on crop is a lot harder to do as well as an f1.8 on full frame, or such.
@BenFeldmanBass
@BenFeldmanBass Жыл бұрын
Those concert photos were incredible! Really inspiring stuff
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@phsb66
@phsb66 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. A lot of people look down on MFT systems, because they have heard one thing about it, such as they are poor for low light shots and then refuse to even consider they might be unfairly prejudiced without looking at any evidence that shows they are wrong. The first time I used an MFT camera (Panasonic GX9) was at an outdoor concert at night. I hadn't yet heard about it being a poor camera for low light photos, but I managed to take some spectacular pictures. Sure they weren't the sharpest but I was pretty pleased with the results, nonetheless. I'm going to direct some of my acquaintances to this video, as I'm tired of being told that I've wasted my money investing in MFT. A cup of coffee is on its way to you. Thanks again.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Paul! It is like you've said - I really dislike when people look down on other's camera decisions, to add insult to injury, those remarks are mostly based on misconceptions, misunderstanding and a lack of practical experience. Thank you very much for your kind comment and your support! Thanks also for sharing your experiences! You have to stay tuned for the next video, I think you will like it ☺️
@jeffreysmith8633
@jeffreysmith8633 Жыл бұрын
Yet another amazing presentation! Love your methodical and articulate style. Perfect.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much, Jeffrey! This means a lot!
@ottomellar6774
@ottomellar6774 Жыл бұрын
I just explained this to a friend, will be sending this to him. I am an Olympus user, and had been considering moving up sensor size, but will look at using ISO more. Likely going to OM-1 is now likely. And I am a super fan of the Lumix LX100, over 180,000 exposures.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Uh, 180.000 - that is a lot! You will be very happy with the OM-1 - a great camera & futureproof platform.
@cineffect
@cineffect Жыл бұрын
Erstklassige, ausführliche Präsentation mit wichtigen Informationen. Danke! Great and thorough presentation with essential information. Thank you, I am subscribing!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Vielen herzlichen Dank - thank you very much and welcome to the channel!
@joerghummerjohann4854
@joerghummerjohann4854 Жыл бұрын
Great content, dear Thomas! Coming from Peter Forsgårds community, watching you for the first time. I was laughing about your conclusion: It's us, the photographers , messing up the situation! So true! So let's go out, having fun during shootings and work on our skills. All the modern cams are so good, that we think we get 100% performance without working on our skills - and then complaining if we reach "only" 99.9% (I'm happy with Olympus since many years and OM-1 was really again a game changer) Greetings from Switzerland and have a great day
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Hello Joerg! Thank you very much for this awesome contribution and great to have you here. The OM-1 is really a game changer, I completely agree. It is such an incredible tool, it never ceases to amaze me! Thanks again and best wishes to Switzerland, have a wonderful day as well!
@joerghummerjohann4854
@joerghummerjohann4854 Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography 😀
@klackon1
@klackon1 Жыл бұрын
Another really interesting and informative presentation. Thank you.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
So nice of you, thanks!
@garoldcarlisle5637
@garoldcarlisle5637 Жыл бұрын
Well presented. Useful information.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@harrisueng
@harrisueng Жыл бұрын
This. This video. It SO well summarizes so many considerations in both how to get the most of your gear, as well as understanding how to think about shooting when the lighting is more challenging. I've taught others similar ideas, but I have been nowhere as lucid, crisp, and succinct as what you did in this video, Thomas. Also, the way you put together these concepts and articulate them, it helped me crystallize the concepts so I can better apply them in my own work. Thank you so much! 🙏🍻🙌
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this exceptionally kind and encouraging comment! I'm really glad that you think so and that it helped! Thank you!
@roopinpatel5147
@roopinpatel5147 2 ай бұрын
Really love your videos. The OM/Olympus lens comparison really helped me nail my decision to buy a lens that suits my needs without breaking my bank. I shoot mostly birds during daytime, many of them small, and the OM1 + 150-600 combo is what I am going to buy upgrading from the Sony Superzoom Rx 10iii so you can imagine the jump. I wish you made a video of what customs settings to use for bird photography that would work best (and more importantly fastest) with OM 1 + 150-600.
@cochetnicolas4118
@cochetnicolas4118 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this analysis very much and we return to the fundamentals of good photographic exposure. Cheer ! / J’ai beaucoup apprécié cette analyse et nous revenons aux fondamentaux de la bonne exposition photographique. Bravo !
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Merci beaucoup monsieur - les fondamentaux sont très important, et normalement, un flux de travail bâclé est le problème. Merci et cordialement, Thomas 📸
@tonypaulprince
@tonypaulprince Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your no bullshit presentations. Quite useful.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much - and I appreciate your kind feedback! Thanks!
@m.scottgordon3475
@m.scottgordon3475 7 ай бұрын
Another very helpful video!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 7 ай бұрын
Glad you think so!
@neerajjaswal5991
@neerajjaswal5991 Жыл бұрын
Very detaily explained the low light point and the sensor relation, thank you Thomas 🙏❤️.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@neerajjaswal5991
@neerajjaswal5991 Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography 🙏
@theosolberg
@theosolberg Жыл бұрын
I ran into this same discussion again at a ballet performance recently. Four photographers, 3 full frame shooters and me with my Olympus M43 gear. Two of them with the "standard opinion": "M43 sensors are not good enough in low light situations." I did not want to get into a long discussion so I just said that they might be surprised. I have let the resulting shots do the rest of the talking.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that - I think the reason this is coming up every once in a while is that there is a lack of understanding of the impact of the interplay between noise, dynamic range and print size in digital photography. Many thanks for the comment!
@brucegraner5901
@brucegraner5901 Жыл бұрын
As somebody currently shooting the MFT format I found this video very interesting and informative.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Great to read!
@jamdontaylor
@jamdontaylor Жыл бұрын
Thomas, thanks for another enlightening presentation. I love the chrome analogy….gotta get it as right as possibly in camera.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Glas you think so
@jonerikrolf2029
@jonerikrolf2029 Жыл бұрын
Excellent discussion re how to make high ISO images as usable as possible whether photographing still, action or wildlife subjects. I photograph wildlife in difficult low light environments. My OM-1 gives me the depth of field I need even when shooting at 800mm f/4.5 (with the 150-400mm lens). I generally keep both a sufficiently high enough shutter speed and f-stop set manually with auto-ISO on. I use center-weighted exposure metering on birds to enable better continuous exposure on the moving subjects. Even so, it is still easy to exit the safe dynamic range of the sensor if one doesn’t carefully watch the movements of the histogram and make slight +/- EV adjustments. Yes, there is a need to pay more attention to exposure required for the photographer when in low light using a pro m43 sensor camera than a FF sensor. But that is a slight penalty to pay for a wildlife photographer when getting more portability, better kinesthetic ergonomics, weather sealing etc. with O-1/Olympus gear.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree - thank you very much for taking the time to share your invaluable experiences! Thank you again!
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 Жыл бұрын
Well on a larger sensors you can always stop down to get depth of field.
@jonerikrolf2029
@jonerikrolf2029 Жыл бұрын
Yes, one can close down the aperture on a FF camera to match the DOF of a m43 camera, but it will require about 1.5 f/stops or a little more to do so. With wildlife photography one is working in the relatively dim morning and late afternoon light where one still needs to have relatively high shutter speeds (at least 1/1250 to 1/3200 of a second) to avoid motion blur. As you stop down the aperture, the ISO needs to increase a lot (approximately double per f/stop increase). It is the dark out of focus areas that show the most noise, and the double DOF of the m43 sensor vs the FF sensor helps level the playing field in producing publishable wildlife images created in low light with high shutter speeds.
@dominiclester3232
@dominiclester3232 Жыл бұрын
Nice discussion, thanks! One other relevant technical tool you should mention is stabilisation. The IBIS on the OM is much better than full frame mirrorless cameras, let alone your D800 without IBIS. This results in much lower available shutter speeds for when the subjects are not moving too quickly. I’m also a Nikon and Olympus user and have compared my cameras in low light tests.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Good point! I agree, the IBIS is absolutely spectacular, especially if you use the handheld assist, that is game changing. As long as stuff does not move, as you've said, the sky is the limit with the OM-1. Thanks for the comment!
@akeluify
@akeluify Жыл бұрын
Just recently full frame ibis broke olympus record. For example the new Sony A7RV has 8 stops ibis.
@evgenipoptoshev4112
@evgenipoptoshev4112 Жыл бұрын
Completely agree with you on this one as well. Correct exposure is the most important factor, in order to get the most out of any photographic medium. Realizing this, Ansel Adams developed the zone system for large format cameras.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! It seems that the "digital revolution" made many people forget about those things.
@richardlandor7130
@richardlandor7130 Жыл бұрын
Thank You!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your contribution!
@davyboyo
@davyboyo Жыл бұрын
The point you made about treating digital sensors more like slide film definitely mirrors my own experience recently when moving from negative film to digital. Cheers
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Ah, great to hear - it really is a thing, even with new sensors! Thanks for sharing your experiences
@davyboyo
@davyboyo Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography thank you for sharing yours!
@hachimitsu3351
@hachimitsu3351 7 ай бұрын
As somebody who has never used slide film, can you elaborate on that?
@davyboyo
@davyboyo 7 ай бұрын
@@hachimitsu3351 well I am speaking in reference to negative film, which handles over-exposure very well. If a scene has excessive dynamic range it's sort of possible to expose for the shadows and the film will just begin to compress the highlights at a certain point, so they don't really truly blow out the way that digital sensors will if you reach their exposure limits. Slide film is similar to digital in that regard. Basically what I'm saying is that with digital, much like slide I feel like I'm always hovering around the edges of my exposure latitude and it's so easy to get a poor image just with slight under or over exposure. I'm always having to decide whether I prioritise my highlights or shadows with digital but with negative film I never really had to worry about it because I never found a scene that the film couldn't capture.
@hachimitsu3351
@hachimitsu3351 7 ай бұрын
​@@davyboyothis makes a lot of sense, thank you for taking the time to reply
@tkarlmann
@tkarlmann Жыл бұрын
Great video, however, you failed to define what "correct exposure" should be from m4/3. Is it ETTR? Is it what the camera's 'whole frame' meter setting says? Are you spot metering of something specific? Please define this; thanks!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Indeed, this is a teaser for a future video that I am working on - exposure metering for digital photography 📸 Stay tuned 🙂
@b.s.4478
@b.s.4478 Жыл бұрын
Really like your explanations (and tips) with all the details. More important, it's from actual own experience and not from charts...Also, it's not about the latest and greatest tech. This channel is a breeze of fresh air. Thanks you and please keep up with the great work. This is one of the best photography channels on youtube and i hope it gets the subscribers it deserves. P.S: Loved your photos from the concert. There's also another Austrian photographer that i enjoy watching...Wolf Amri. Cheers from Portugal!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your exceptionally kind words. This means a lot, I'm truly honored! It is just super funny that through you I learned about Wolf Amri haha 😆 Did not know him before! Hope to read from you soon, and best wishes to most beautiful Portugal! One of my all time fav places to be, TBH!
@icedragon769
@icedragon769 9 ай бұрын
Do you know what your ISO was on those panasonic concert shots?
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 9 ай бұрын
3.200 to 6.400
@artisans8521
@artisans8521 8 ай бұрын
Everything you said, I always said. My GH5 goes up to 6400 nicely. And with a manual focus lens by Nikon being a 50 1.4.....no problemo. As an analog photographer, I used to shoot Kodachrome 64 and 25 for my Nikon F, F2, F3 and F4. And Velvia 50 for my GX680 system and my GF960 "compact" camera by Fuji. And yes these are haevy beasts especially with a 50 in your kitty. Shooting landscape and stills low light never was a problem. And when I had to shoot in low light I used porta 400 or 800. Now people are yelping about 25.600 noise, what a luxury indeed.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the excellent contribution - completely agree!
@androidgameplays4every13
@androidgameplays4every13 Жыл бұрын
And now I want to watch an exposure tutorial!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
I bridge the gap with this one - it is specifically about the OM-1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIq1kmywgbSajtU&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE
@jakedooom
@jakedooom Жыл бұрын
Well said. I do a lot of low light work in theatre, on stage and at night outside with micro four-thirds cameras. I completely agree that the pictures I find unacceptable are always where I have screwed-up the exposure, so I need to keep attention on exposure and consequent dynamic range in the range: low-mids to highlights. As for the blacks, they become about shape, silhouette, and composition… and I need to pay attention to this as I work. I also agree with you about colour noise, and so my signature style is monochrome, using colour only for images with exposures that allow it, and that benefit from colour artistically.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your extensive comment and sharing of your experiences! That is very valuable. With bright lenses, MFT is very capable in low light - if the exposure is right as we both found out. Thank you!
@mxyptlk
@mxyptlk Жыл бұрын
Very well presented Thomas.... Makes perfect sense and you have a 'nack' (ability) to explain so clearly... I look forward to your presentations...! Regards...
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Many thanks! So great to read, I appreciate your continued support, Gerry!
@iphone4duc
@iphone4duc Жыл бұрын
Super Video! Da werden einige Mythen aufgeklärt......Gut Licht! Helmut
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Vielen Dank!
@paulisraelsonisraelsonlaw654
@paulisraelsonisraelsonlaw654 Жыл бұрын
Thomas: As always, very instructive and informative. The detail you provide is most helpful. Thank you. PJI
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thanks again!
@benmcconnell6008
@benmcconnell6008 Жыл бұрын
Indeed, I find that correct exposure is where I tend to have messed up. Maybe a bracketed exposure of shots might be a fall back position when the situation permits.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Bracketing is q viable option!
@TheoMolenaar
@TheoMolenaar 5 ай бұрын
Just discovered your channel. Good explanations. Great stuff. I bought a OM1 MII recently, owned a OLY OMD-1 MII for some years. Having shot concerts the past few months I found out that the OLY does well enough at ISO 6400, much to my surprise. I find it lacking a bit in dynamic range though. Should be a bit better with the OM. Bút one of my main considerations in not going back to FF (thought about that, having owned a D800 once) wat the new Denoise in Lightroom. With that you really do not need full frame for concert photo's anymore. I also shot concerts with an LX100 in the past. Went back to those and did the denoise. Great results. Wish Panasonic made a new one with modern sensor...
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 5 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing that, great contribution. And of course: Welcome to the channel!
@PerEng2405
@PerEng2405 2 ай бұрын
I highly appreciate your thorough and in-depth videos. Thank you al lot(!) Thomas. Btw I am expanding my Nikon D800 ecosystem with Olympia MFT 🙂 Unfortunately not OM-1 Mark II. At least not yet. Have to aquire pro glass first. Shout out from Per (Denmark).
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 2 ай бұрын
Your journey sounds oddly familiar to mine, haha. Thanks for your kind comment and welcome on board!
@Stephen.Bingham
@Stephen.Bingham Жыл бұрын
I think it’s very important to clearly define “low light performance” in such discussions. For me the only way to compare cameras with different sensor sizes is when they are taking the same image - with the same depth of field and motion blur (shutter speed). In such a comparison m43 cameras operate at two stops lower iso than full frame, for example. For sensors of the same technology generation image noise in such a comparison is largely independent of sensor size. From a Physics/engineering perspective this makes perfect sense - for a fixed depth of field and shutter speed the amount of light used to create the image is also a constant (independent of sensor size).
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
I agree that the definition of low light has to be included - that is why I was specifically referring to a 3 EV scenario for this purpose. It might be difficult to achieve perfect comparability, because the practical situation in LL dictates certain exposure parameters and there is often no way of matching them in practice, only in theory. In around 3 EV scenarios when you need 1/500, your camera has to be set to around 12.800 and f/1.4. Regardless of which sensor size. The litmus test is whether you find the result pleasing at these settings or not. Every other situation - as stated in the video - allows the use of the big equalizer, better known as tripod. Then you can pick everything you want in terms of exp settings Thanks for contributing!
@Stephen.Bingham
@Stephen.Bingham Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography I think we need to bear in mind that larger sensor cameras have a larger maximum iso than smaller sensor cameras - full frame cameras typically have a two stop higher maximum than m43 cameras, for example (assuming sensors of the same type and vintage). So I don’t really see why one is forced to choose a particular iso when making such a comparison, as you seem to be suggesting. Perhaps the most important aspect of your point is the question of what is the best choice when one doesn’t care about depth of field? Astrophotography is an example of this. In this case one chooses the camera with the largest entrance aperture (the physical size of the hole, not the f-stop). Sensor size is unimportant from a noise performance point of view. However, in practice it is usually easier and cheaper to construct large aperture lenses for cameras that have large sensors (because aberrations are difficult to control in lenses with small f-stops, especially for wide fields of view). Thus in practice one will often choose a large sensor camera for cost reasons. A set of f/1.8 primes for a full frame camera is likely to be cheaper than a set of f/0.9 primes for m43 camera of similar image quality, for example. F/1.4 primes may be available for a full frame camera but f/0.7 primes for a m43 camera would be an enormous technical challenge to construct. I think it comes down to this - is it misleading to say “large sensor cameras have better low light performance”, or would the more accurate statement “it’s cheaper to obtain shallow depths of field with larger sensor cameras (and by the way you get better low light performance for such shallow depth of field shots)” be clearer?
@decay999
@decay999 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate your in depth technical analysis on the these cameras and sensors. I have shot full frame landscape photography for a long time but have recently purchased an EM5 mk 111. I am amazed at the quality of the images it is producing, I think this and your videos are convincing me to switch over fully to micro 4 thirds, thank you.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your kind words! I'm convinced that MFT gets the job done - if you've been happy with what you got so far, I think you can definitely make the switch, especially if you do not want to "maintain" two systems!
@FART-REPELLENT
@FART-REPELLENT Жыл бұрын
EM3 Mark Hundred & eleven?; that's 200 years in the future, the recent one is the Mark 3
@decay999
@decay999 Жыл бұрын
@@FART-REPELLENT haha, you knew what I meant 😀 There's always one, isn't there!
@FART-REPELLENT
@FART-REPELLENT Жыл бұрын
@@decay999 Instead you should have typed it as: EM3 Mark III or 3; I knew what you meant, I just saw an opportunity to make a joke
@misterbrickest
@misterbrickest Жыл бұрын
Dude I didn't know Hitman has a photography KZbin channel!! Just kidding. But I just upgraded to a Canon R5. But I've used long exposures with/or light painting on my APS-C cameras and had beautiful results. APS-C sensors absolutely are capable and I would encourage people to use different sensor sizes as tools to fit specific jobs. With denoise AI programs like Topaz or DXOPure RAW and some skill in Lightroom/Photoshop, noise from high ISO images (assuming it's a properly exposed image) is almost not an issue. I do miss the extra reach of APS-C when using my R5 now but I'll just have to get some longer lenses. My 70-200 2.8 is the best I have now. Gotta keep saving I guess. Love your content! Great video and great topic!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Well, he does! :-) Many thanks for the feedback and sharing your experiences - and the R5 is an excellent camera that will sure serve you well.
@javierrubio1380
@javierrubio1380 Жыл бұрын
Great videos Thomas, that your subscribers numbers are growing at great rate shows your fantastic job. I am recommending them here in Spain in some forums. Please, could you explain what you mean with “being conservative” with ISO numbers? Thank you for your videos, really outstanding. Javier
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Javier! That means a lot and is the best support I could think of, really! With being "too conservative" I mean avoiding to raise the ISO to the appropriate setting. Contrary to popular belief, almost no camera is a 100% ISO invariant. By having to raise the exposure in post production, you can lose significant amounts of IQ, as you are not utilizing the ADC circuitry but just brightening the image. Thank you again Javier, and sorry for the late reply!
@javierrubio1380
@javierrubio1380 Жыл бұрын
Vamos! Thanks a lot Thomas!! Keep on with your great work!!
@DavidFlowerOfficial
@DavidFlowerOfficial Жыл бұрын
Absolutely spot on. Great technical advice again! After recently getting into micro four thirds I can genuinely say that for my use there is nothing that my Olympus can't do that I would see a significant improvement in by using a larger sensor camera. I've had Nikon, Sony and still have Canon FF cameras and while there's a noticable difference at high iso (above 3200) the difference below this is negligible if, as you correctly stated, the exposure is accurate in the camera. Great Video, Thomas🖖
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you David! I very much appreciate you sharing your experience and the kind comment.
@stefanostefani4273
@stefanostefani4273 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Really interesting and very useful to improve in making better images from our sensors. Thank you!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Awesome, great to hear. Thanks for your continued "viewership"!
@stefanostefani4273
@stefanostefani4273 Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography Thank you. If I may one day I'd like to hear your advice on the best exposure with external flash or hot shoe. It often happens to me in dark places and I bring home good results with sensitivity between 1000 and 1600 iso but I'm not sure if I'm doing it right or if some choices can still improve. Thank you
@jf9979
@jf9979 7 күн бұрын
Great photos with the LX100. 👍👏
@canucklehead28
@canucklehead28 Жыл бұрын
Make's sense! Thank you!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@luzbiensuave
@luzbiensuave 8 ай бұрын
I use MFT for concerts. Olympus E-M5 classic at ISO 3200/6400 with vintage glass (mostly at f/3.5) and it looks good enough. I don't print and there's no perceived noise from a smartphone screen, therefore the bands love it!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography 8 ай бұрын
Nice!
@jakesdewet3567
@jakesdewet3567 Жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, thanks for your education. I recently bought into the OM system and do mainly nature and landscapes. I recently had a debate with another professional that apply the following "philosophy" using OM-1 for action and wildlife. Shoot in A priority, ev -1.7 or up to -2.3, f 4 on the 300 f4 lens, ISO 3200 or even 6800 to gain a shutter speed of 1/32000... the purpose of this is ev -1.7 or higher "protect the highlights on white birds but also push up the shutter speed, the high ISO is used to also gain max shutter speed. This is used in good light and mostly birds in flight. Most other bird in fligh photographers use ss of 1/3200 or if light is good 1/6400 and manage to keet ISO around 800 or even less. to protect highlights ev-0.7 is sufficient in 99% of the cases on White feathered birds. Am I missing some logic here?
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Hello Jake! I don't think you are missing anything here - it is important to keep in mind that different RAW software will give you different usable dynamic range. So you really should test your specific workflow. In any case, I think -2.3EV is excessive, considering the dynamic range of the OM-1. Nonetheless, if you want to protect all color channels, it might be feasible - again depending on the software used. Hope this helps!
@flagger2020
@flagger2020 Жыл бұрын
Very sensible and correct analysis.. some of my favorite shots were with the LC-1 a 2/3 sensor.. as the latitude of correct exposure is so limited, we often save small sensors to good/daylight only scenarios where we are more likely to get it right.. so in future I'll try exposure bracketing more.. thanks for the thoughtful video and happy shooting
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the kind comment - and yes, the correct exposure is usually the most important piece of the puzzle! Happy shooting to you as well, thanks for the comment, again!
@svensiegel1866
@svensiegel1866 Жыл бұрын
In general, full frame cameras seem to have about a 2 stop advantage over MFT in terms of noise. However, since you can also shoot 2 stops or apertures more open for the same depth of field, this advantage balances out again in many situations. Where you can take advantage of the open aperture with full frame, however, larger sensors have a clear advantage, for example in Milky Way photography.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Absolutely - completely agree. According to a recent expert I interviewed, you could definitely make a 0.8 lens for MFT that would be super sharp wide open. It is just that no one did and that such a lens would be expensive and bigger. So it is just relative. Thanks for the comment!
@chrisbrown6432
@chrisbrown6432 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for a thorough lesson on small sensors in low light. The advantages of micro four thirds in low light plus twice the depth of field than full frame are often overlooked by photographers who dismiss micro four thirds. Plus the fact that with the IBIS in Olympus cameras being so good, We can shoot at lower ISOs sometimes than one could shoot with a full frame camera without that fantastic IBIS. So the noise problem might be evened out a bit between micro four thirds and Full frame cameras.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Agreed! As long as it does not move, there is no limit at all to MFT. I am also using MFT for LL, so I am confident to state that you can get the job done w/o any issues.
@dustinhecker3986
@dustinhecker3986 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always and fantastic finishing line.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you hehe! Cheers!
@imatrOlda
@imatrOlda Жыл бұрын
Eine sehr gute Arbeit, Thomas! Danke und Grüße nach Wien aus Finnland.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Vielen herzlichen Dank und beste Grüße nach Finnland!
@andreaabout
@andreaabout Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a really informative video. I agree getting the exposure correct is the most important thing. I use Micro Fourthirds (E-M1 MkII and E-M5 MkII) and have been pleased with the results I get. I have done low light shots with the cameras and as you point out the images exposed correctly give the better results. I use DXO Photolab 6 with DeepPrime to remove any noise and works extremely well. Thank you again.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your workflow and the kind feedback! Also, thanks for sharing your experiences regarding low light - it is great to hear that other photographers like you arrived at the same conlcusions! Thanks and best wishes!
@sergeyzakharov7326
@sergeyzakharov7326 Жыл бұрын
9:22 go to dpreview image comparison and take a look at how om 1 controls iso 25600 in raw files. you can see a significant color shift even at iso 6400 (in shadow areas). also besides color shift the main problem with high iso is detail loss and you can see that om 1 is way worse than any current ff mirrorless body of the same price in that regard
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
IMHO the comparison chart on dpreview is not really helpful, but it is not the time and place to expand on that! You can even go medium format for the price of an OM-1 btw ;-)
@uralrider88
@uralrider88 Жыл бұрын
What about older HD broadcast 2/3 cameras, Sony pmw's Panasonic AJ and JVC GY verses the single sensor photography/ video cameras?
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Very interesting - I have no data unfortunately, but this would be worthwhile exploring! Thanks 👍
@gregm6894
@gregm6894 Жыл бұрын
Great video -- and right on target! It is funny that you mentioned treating digital capture the same as shooting chrome. When I first transitioned from film to digital, that was my exact experience also. You really need to nail the exposure in camera, and not get lazy thinking you can 'fix it' in post processing. Thanks Thomas!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Hey Greg! Thanks for sharing that - I know exactly what you mean by getting lazy. "Oh, it is about right, it will do" - no it won't, at least not when we apply high standards
@Raist3db
@Raist3db Жыл бұрын
Like everything it all depends what you are doing and what tools you need. The difference at high ISO on smaller sensors to bigger sensors is smaller or bigger depending what you are trying to do. I have been shooting m43rds for years. Night portrait of someone with the IBIS- can be done. More of an environment shot? You can do it but I sure see better tones from bigger sensor cameras and richer colors. You can still do the basic photo in m43rds but as you walk towards the edges of performance that's where the bigger sensors separate themselves more and more and this includes APSC. But then a lot of the work I shoot is street night life which is different from someone in a studio with full light control.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing your experiences! Very interesting and I definitely agree.
@lvca.avellino
@lvca.avellino Жыл бұрын
excellent consideration. I use m4/3 and in fact it is necessary to expose well (a non-secret). what do you think about linear profiles?
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Many thanks! Regarding linear profiles: I don't really use them, only for certain scientific/controlled tests. When I edited with linear profiles, the only thing that happened was that I edited the contrast/tone adjustment back in manually. Might as well leave it as it is. I'm an advocate of using (at least for most applications) OEM software, also because you usually get an excellent "look" / adjustments right away, which can be a huge time saver.
@lvca.avellino
@lvca.avellino Жыл бұрын
@@ThomasEisl.Photography ok. I also like ti use software to save time, but sometimes quality is important and linear profile improve the postproduction (see details in the shadows in relation to the noise; contrast development is more natural). Bye
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Bye!
@RichardBO9
@RichardBO9 Жыл бұрын
Great video. "Expose like slide film" is spot-on advice. My photos improved greatly when I started exposing more for the shadows. Make sure the important parts of the shadow area are Zone 3 or better.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! Thanks for sharing that!
@peterjackhandy
@peterjackhandy Жыл бұрын
Right on the button! 😎. I shoot fuji apsc & was starting to realise that noise levels become horribly noticeable when I pull up the shadows a tad exuberantly. Getting the exposure spot-on is my future mission - well, that & putting anything above ~400 iso through Topaz photo ai 😉.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Yes! Great to hear that our experiences match!
@avishmayovitsh5038
@avishmayovitsh5038 Жыл бұрын
very informative, thanks!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@kimamey
@kimamey Жыл бұрын
A very interesting video. One other point to make is how close someone will be to the image when viewing it. If you zoom in, that's not really how an image should be experienced. Look at the image rather than try to find faults. That's how I looked at the pictures of the band. I could see interesting composition and use of light.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Absolutely - could not agree more!
@fahrupitak
@fahrupitak Жыл бұрын
Hello, I understand english not much, but I am enjoyed your explanation..., thx so much...
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for your kind comment! Much appreciated and thanks for watching!
@wwz3320
@wwz3320 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your work! Great video!
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@DaveHaynie
@DaveHaynie Жыл бұрын
You may also be shooting in hybrid AF mode with the OM-1, which can yield more accurate AF than the PDAF-only of the DSLR, even with, as you say, the larger phase-base of the Nikon's dedicated AF sensor. And no lens calibration needed.
@ThomasEisl.Photography
@ThomasEisl.Photography Жыл бұрын
True - in terms of accuracy, nothing can beat contrast detetion. A hybdrid system that can use both is advantagous.
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