In Defence Of Alya

[@isaiahthomas7577]

I don't think Alya is a bad friend maybe just a bit dumb, but her boyfriend, Nino is definitely horrible at keeping secrets and a bad boyfriend for revealing his and hers identity without her permission.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Nino feels like a poor friend for Adrien and I feel like Alya should be a better reporter; Nino just seems to represent the freedom Adrien wants without Nino really trying to immerse himself in Adrien's interests (as far as I've seen), and Alya takes her role as an aspiring reporter in a bit of a brash way. I'd think she'd leave to be sneakier and subtle about what she does--including being anonymous with her blog and trying to discover Ladybug's identity privately.

[@hdnallstars4471]

Nino le contagió su ignorancia

[@swymaj02]

Him revealing it was a response to her nearly getting killed. So I would not hold him up for that specifically.

[@fluffypanda9274]

@@swymaj02 no i think their talking about when he told adrien him and alya's super hero identities

[@stefaniarusso]

Yeah I know

[@mariogordon9212]

She makes mistakes and yet she believes Lila’s lies without a second thought. Alya is a very better person with a superhero persona than Lila. And she has always been there for Marinette since season one. Alya and Marinette are like the creamy Peanut butter and grape jelly sandwich. They go well together as best friends forever. 3:56

[@voidwolf7142]

My answer to the thumbnail:no adrienette does though

[@joeleboeuf]

Does Alya deserve the hate? The short answer: No.

[@bancetheyorkshireterrier2003]

honestly i don't blame alya i blame the writing im just going braindead with each episode that comes out it going nowhere for me and the relationships are just going more downhill as well with the characters (mostly the characters) none of them make any sense anymore.

[@Harumi27282]

True

[@MrQuinnzard]

14:26 that *"ueugh~"* made that ten times worse. thanks for that. good video otherwise

[@reubenmanzo2054]

For a while now, my sister has been pointing out that one of the first things Lila claimed was that she's close friends with Ladybug and now that Alya knows who Ladybug is, the falsehood should've been made extremely obvious.

[@savidalu193]

That’s what I thought from the get go as soon as Marinette revealed her identity to Alya

[@Dred0n]

Exactly she should have ask Mari why she hates Lyla and let Mari explains everything boom she would've known that Lyla was a liar.

[@Millie-Million]

yeah, I blame the writers for that. A seriously missed opportunity for a funny scene. But imma be honest, I think the writers just completely forgot that Lila said anything about being friends with Ladybug, and so by association, Alya forgets as well.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

@@Millie-Million Despite the fact that that's what started the whole Marinette/Lila rivalry in the first place.

[@DemonicRemption]

@@reubenmanzo2054 I've been saying for a while that this show tends to try and treat its audience like idiots. Props to your sister for not putting up with that B.S. though. Because she's not wrong. While I haven't seen seasons 4 and 5, if Alya knows who Ladybug is at some point, then she'd know Lila's full of it when saying that her and Ladybug are close friends. Hell I'll do you one better, Alya should've known that from the jump because she had been blogging about Ladybug from day one. But since that wasn't the case something is wrong here.

[@45darkrai]

Regarding Alya, you’d think someone working to become a “reporter” could try verifying sources to ensure Lila is telling the truth rather than wholeheartedly believing her lies since day one.

[@Pollares_ice]

It's a good point 🥸

[@Doomzdeh]

You’re asking the Miraculous Writers for a lot here. I mean, writing logical storylines that don’t take the easy way out and have no holes in them? Do you know how difficult that is for such uncreative, uninspired people?

[@MeemahSN]

@@Doomzdeh that’s a skill issue.

[@Harumi27282]

U don't need to creative to write a average story, I mean now mlb is really bad. Can't call that average anymore

[@Ruben99677]

@@Harumi27282 its not bad

[@daughterofchatblanc]

There are 2 things I could criticize about her as a friend: 1. I know they cut the scene where she apologized for believing lila over marinette, but that does just mean that canonically alya never really apologized (yeah the production team screwed up there). 2. When Marinette was temporarily in love with Chat Noir, even though she did come back around on loving Adrien, Alya should not have insisted so hard that Marinette was being foolish and should just be with Adrien because he finally noticed her. She should've first tried to understand how much Marinette must have been through emotionally and mentally to decide to give up on dating adrien after making so many plans and attempts that finally appeared to have paid off.

[@etetgg1364]

The problem is that we as fans are supposed to believe this DIDN'T happen. I personally take this as cannon (as it once was), but it is not intended.

[@emelylassiter3523]

Yeah alya's pushiness on Marinette and Adrian's love story is what's really making me hate her this season and the same thing goes to the rest of her classmates in ms bustia's class and Marc on addition to their punishment I also punish Marc and nathiel for insisting Marinette to dress up like a butler man and yeah drawing a butler disguise on their cullge on Marinette dressed as a knight first of all it's ugly I would rip it if I were one of the people there 2.knights never wear disguises just to enter something if you're going to make Marinette a knight in some way then make her do knight things and also for making a comic book with Marinette dressed like a butler yeah get punished for that and also if Marinette is being called out by the Fandom for hating Lila when she just met her just because she's with adrien why isn't kagmi being called out for it? And yeah there was no excuse for Marinette to use ladybug to get into the argreste machtion to deliver the bereat she made for adrien but I am totally blaming her "friends" because they were pushing and threatening Marinette no more girls day outs which they don't even show in the show anyway and yeah really her "friends" need to be punished

[@caitlinsparkle7717]

@@emelylassiter3523 I agree. If I was Marinette, I would yell at them to stay out of her and Adrien's love issues. It is not their concern.

[@OpticalSorcerer]

It was really disturbing how Alya and Marinette's other friends encouraged her infatuation with Adrien. And I always find it weird that rarely anyone mentions how in "Ladybug," Alya, Sabrina, and Chloe are the only characters in the locker room not to be akumatized. I always thought the writers were going to do something special there.

[@daughterofchatblanc]

@@OpticalSorcerer now that you mention it, I'm also just realizing that all her other friends, except for alya, should've found Marinette's transition from shy & awkward to obsessive stalker extremely concerning because according to Derision, it only developed after she met Adrien...Derision really was the "Simpleman" of this season, it's better forgotten😖

[@Naruwitchfan945]

No offense, but I think you missed something about Alya. She has also actively pushed Marinette into pursuing Adrien even when she says she wants to give up. Like Frozer, Marinette was ultimately chill letting Adrien go ice skating with Kagami and being his wingwoman, but Alya and the girl squad were trying to convince her not to, last I remember. So, Alya’s not completely innocent in that department when she was actually somewhat encouraging Marinette’s stalker-like behavior.

[@IsmaelCiulla]

Which is why I hate Alya and Marinette both of them were forcing Adrien into a relationship with Marinette which prior to season 5 he didn’t want.

[@yazminyari]

Same thing with the NY special where she and Nino were actively trying to hook up Marinette and Adrian even though at this point they were in relationships with other people, trying to move on from their unhealthy obsession for Ladybug and Adrian respectively

[@IsmaelCiulla]

@@yazminyari yeah I really wish that the show had dropped the whole Adrienette thing a long time ago it’s not a healthy relationship

[@nicolas._.2294]

​@@yazminyari fr, like in The NY special Marinette was in a relationship with luka and alya was trying to make Marinette and adrien being toghter, and Marinette didn't have any problem and like run after adrien even tho she was in an relationship with somebody else

[@IsmaelCiulla]

@@nicolas._.2294 which Luka should never have tried to date Marinette at all due to her still being obsessed with Adrien

[@tonythunder6048]

My main and only complaint about Alya is how she believes Lyla when she says that she’s best friends with Ladybug even though Marinette has told her and clearly shown she trusts Alya way more than anyone else enough to tell her, her identity and trust her with the most powerful Kwami, yet somehow they’re not best friends. This is just proving my crack pot theory that Lyla used the cat and Lady bug to rewrite the universe for everyone to believe her bull. So unless Marinette and Adrian are canceling the effects since they have the miraculous or everyone is just stupid and Marinette needs to go to a different school with smarter people

[@Rayne-ih5yf]

It's ridiculous cuz even characters like max whose made to be the "Smarty pants" pun intended is dumbed down hard

[@emelylassiter3523]

Yeah I hate to take advice from Lila but she had a point why would Marinette be friends with people who don't believe her even for the most responsible reasons to believe her? The only times Marinette has decided to turn on her "friends" were the evilstratter were she's all like I'd rather have no friends and yelled at them in gang of secrets

[@ѕнєу-е9ы]

oh my gosh I kind of love that theory LOL, it's so chaotic I absolutely would enjoy seeing that

[@Anthyrion]

It's either that, or the people in this Universe are simple stupid. After Alya had come to know, that Mari is Ladybug, Mari must've told her, that she as Ladybug and Lyla aren't best buddies. And didn't Alya wanted to become a journalist or even a investigative journalist? If she really wants to be that, she really has to be more questioning about some things, that were told her. The Problem is, that Fans of the show think of possible story hooks, or remember even some small details, that were said, or thinking of giving the characters more deep, while the showrunner don't even think so far

[@fretfreak]

I love ur fluffyboy pfp

[@pagodrink]

I can understand why some people are annoyed by Alya's behavior, but in the context of the show, she is honestly one of the more reasonable characters while still having character flaws. She easily could have just been the "sassy black friend" trope, and while she still slips into that sometimes, her Lois lane type reporter side makes her more 3 dimensional and It makes sense she is so invested in Marinette's love life. I also feel like we've established early on that she is willing to make logical and moral choices when she stops trying to reveal Ladybugs Identity in season 1, unlike some characters... (Looking at you, Gabriel)

[@90lancaster]

Alya feels like an actual person to me, and sometimes I can't say I think that about Adrien so she succeeds in that respect. I still remember how cool and fun she used to be, so I guess I cut her a lot of slack out of Nostalgia for episodes like Sapotis or Storm Weather.

[@fate7418]

Exactly! She is an ACTUAL PERSON. Who makes ACTUAL MISTAKES. Yes she has her flaws but what normal person doesn’t? And she makes up for them in a lot of good ways! And she is genuinely a good friend, yes pushy but you could see it as smart. She was trying to push Marinette in the right direction when she liked Cat Noir, Alya knew that Marinette was only running from her Adrien problem, but still didn’t fully understand that Marinette actually liked Cat Noir. And DUH Alya wouldn’t know that! Marinette hardly ever opened up about it! She just said “liking Adrien is getting tiring because of secrets, I like Cat Noir now!” But that wasn’t the only reason! There was SO much more going on in Season 5 that made Marinette fall for him that she just didn’t mention, and that’s only one instance

[@OpticalSorcerer]

Given how headstrong Alya is, I could definitely see her digging up dirt on someone (ie Audrey and Gabriel abusing their kids) only to learn that there's boundaries she shouldn't cross, and that helping can sometimes lead to situations getting worse. It'd make her become a lot more subtle with her investigations and use more discretion in the future.

[@lulystalgianature2968]

Alya was never a bad character... except when Lila was around. It's almost as if she was struck with a dumb serum whenever she was around. What I hate is the fact that they (spoilers ahead) cut the scene where Alya apologized to Marinette when Lila was finally exposed. Why the heck would they do that!?! It would've been a great addition to her character arc 🙄

[@dspace4514]

Something that irks me is that after Marinette revealed her identity to Alya, NOT ONCE did she mention Lila, and not to mention still believe in her lies. I'm sorry, but I would have suspected Lila after that and been on Marinette's side, especially after Adrien stood on her side and not be stupid and say 'Oh look how cute they are.'

[@emelylassiter3523]

Yeah and that's not the only reason I don't like that sence she's finally found out the identity of her idol which is her best friend and she's not even like oh my gosh my idol is my best friend? Yeah she's not even fangirling over ladybug anymore like yeah I get that you're "best friend" would feel uncomfortable being treated like an idol and yeah I see that ever since she became the gurdien of the miraculouses she's become very bossy and distant and yeah rocketear is the best example of it but come on just because you're idol is one of your closest friends doesn't mean you should lose your idolism on her yeah I miss ladybug being an idol to alya that's one of the reasons why I wish Marinette didn't tell alya she's ladybug

[@PlutoPlanetoid]

I honestly blame the writers. Even when she started off, Alya was a pretty brilliant person. Lila driven stories effectively makes everyone dumb just by her being in the narrative alone. I saw potential in that Alya was almost a counterbalance to Lila. To catch a fox, use a fox. It was a brilliant. Even though she wasn't completely on Marinette's side, she still was aware there was foul play afoot. Would've made it especially interesting because Alya was more perceptive than most (which I can buy others being so gullible compared to her)so much so Lila as a result would have to grow into being a better liar as opposed to just a pathological plot protected one. Gives Alya more to do, and more growth for herself. Besides, two key characters having a fox based ally on their side and using them to the best of their abilities would've made the tension so much more fascinating. Heck, instead of the idea that Marinette being the intended victim all the time, tension between Alya and Lila would've been way more engaging. With Marinette it's just anger, and eagerness to prove Lila is fake. With Lila and Alya as the rival set, if Alya had been given the fox miraculous, it could've been that Lila set Alya up for taking her "Family heirloom" thus netting the miraculous, forcing Alya needing to rely on her skills to get it back. Alya like many characters actually hold a lot of potential and aren't even that bad, extremes considered. It just feels the writers are both either restricted to villain of the week/always LB & Cat focused narratives or just don't know what to do with anyone and copy pastes them into a madlib. TLDR, I don't think she deserves all the hate. I'd sooner blame the writing before I'd blame the characters as otherwise they're just blank parchment. Edit:adlib to madlib

[@annabellthedoll9953]

What is madlib and adlib exactly?

[@liaheben]

In Pharaon Alya found Ladybug/Marinette's textbook with her name written in it, and she forgot to open the book. Another plothole.

[@semolinalibra]

12:00 you know what, that makes sense. Marinette literally had schemes to humiliate Kagami to get to Adrien so I see why she would think she’s doing the same with Lila. But bad writing comes in when Marinette didn’t tell anyone about Lila’s lies because that’s something only Ladybug would know. But Alya knows that Marinette is Ladybug but the writers made it so Marinette didn’t tell Alya about what happened in Volpina. Thomas’s brain is so smooth

[@shanenanigans27]

It is true, in the storyboard leaks, Alya says to Marinette that she's sorry for being so gullible right after Mrs. Bustier apologizes to Marinette. A LOT got cut from this episode though, probably because it had to fit the time frame. But they shouldn't have cut such a key moment in their friendship.

[@lulystalgianature2968]

I understand cutting some scenes to stick with the time frame... but they cut the worst possible ones. They could've cut... almost any other one.

[@jimbatter5246]

Alya telling Nino about her still being Rena Rouge is undeniably a bad move on her part but can we just agree that the writing for every character only gets worse and worse ? Natalie decided out of nowhere that she's a good person They are so desperate to double down on assassinating Chloe's growth that they are slandering Kim. Max isn't even in the show anymore . So on and so forth .

[@RandomDragonBoi]

The cut out apology scene is real. Unfinished storyboard versions of season 5 episodes got leaked (including Confrontation) and there was a scene where Alya apologizes to Marinette (happened between Marinette´s explanation of her plan and Damocles trying to expel Chloe and Lila).

[@emelylassiter3523]

Yeah the way alya was acting in believing that lying bitch was so frustrating especially in revatiltion were she and nino think that adrien was only defending Marinette because he's in love with her now and choosed Lila over her "best friend" that episode revealed that her "friends" are worshipping Lila dang if you're a Christian watching that episode you would be like oh yeah lila's not only a munplator she's also a false idol like yeah I get that they can't worship God sense their not Christians they don't know about God but seriously just because someone is the "most amazing girl in the world" donsen't mean you should worship her wether you're a Christian or not yeah I think that's the reason why the apology sence was cut out they didn't want to see Marinette's "friends" apologize because they were worshipping Lila

[@qt_slush6092]

i feel like that scene was really necessary. The whole Alya believing lila over marionette it really feels out of character and the writers just doing it for plot convenience. This goes double for the later seasons post-reveal. The needed to do at least a little damage control but they didn’t. I hope we see a similar scene eventually.

[@JesseGolo]

I feel your defense goes out the window when Lila frames Marinette for exam malpractice, pushing her down the stairs, bullying her and then gets her expelled. Like, Alya tries to play a "Maybe you're both mistaken" type of mindset, but no; the way the episode plays out, one of them has to be lying. And then Lila admits she was lying.

[@ajstudios9210]

I think Alya's choice to not believe Marinette is valid given how loony Marinette is. She’s a crazy jealous girl when it comes to Adrien. The only time it seemed annoying is after the Ladybug reveal.

[@MaxMallard]

Even regarding the Lila stuff, I remember early on Ayla being more neutral towards certain situations. When Marinette got expelled she fully believed that Marinette was framed, but had the sense to keep an open mind about the identity of the culprit. Even spelled it out towards Marinette as to why her behaviour was suspicious. It felt more to me that she was playing smart by staying on Lila's good side, even while helping her friend. The issue I did have with a lot of these episodes was often in the shots of everyone looking accusingly at Mari, Alya included even though the rest of her behaviour didn't line up with that reaction. Very much felt like she just got lumped in with the rest of the cast in those shots.

[@emelylassiter3523]

Yeah apart from believing Lila over her "best friend" and won't stop bugging Marinette on her relationship with Adrian there are alot of things that alya annoys me with 1.never gives Marinette advice on what to say around adrien such as not giving her ideas on what to say to him just mocking about what she expects to say to him in stormy wether the only time she did so was trying to convince Marinette to be herself be Marinette in pschomedien 2.in simion says she's revealed to have told on Marinette her "best friend" that she's been skipping class(just because of ladybug) 3.tried to expose ladybug's identity 4.in the new York special she and nino cut off Marinette and adrien bumping into each other and she also insisted Marinette to go confess her feelings to adrien on her bike which caused her to fall down in pain and no one can help her and yeah just like how I can't believe that people still enjoy chole and want her to come back in season 6 reformed when she has become a murder the same thing with scarbella ladybug has been called out by so many people for throwing cat noir into the trash but not scarbella smacking him like what the fuck? That makes her a total abuser he could have gotten a concession and yeah he'll definitely need to go to the hospital there that takes me out of the madness I have with ladybug throwing him into the trash it is his own fault she did so and he was only 5% needed to end up in the hospital dame hack San proved that alya's a murder

[@kou7191]

There's also that one time in the train where she stopped Lila from waking Marinette up and ruin her moment with Adrien. She had a judgy vibe in that clip and makes me think at least one writer wanted to make it seem Alya was slowly realizing Lila was full of 💩 but in the end it went nowhere.

[@joeljohansson3615]

The scene of Alya apologize in confrontation is in the unfinished episode. She does apologize. But it was cut out.

[@calebwhite6323]

Alya deadass knows the ONE thing Marinette CANNOT TELL ANYBODY, yet still chooses to not believe her about Lila 😐 that’s what pisses me off

[@jedemu]

I agree with you that Alya isn't a perfect, but I don't think she's supposed to be. She is still a teenager, just like the rest of the class. I feel like the problem with believing Lila is more a problem with Lilas characterisation then Alyas (or Nino or the rest of the class). If Lila made better lies that aren't easily verifiable, the writing team didn't have to dumb down the class that much. On the other hand, having seen "Derision", I feel like Alya is an MVP character for the story. The episode made it very clear that nobody in the class could give Marinette the confidence to stand up for herself. Not Rose, Juleka or Mylene, not Kim or Max, not even Soqueline. If you look at the origins episode, you can clearly see that Alya is the one that encourages Marinette to stand up for herself. It's not Tikki that encourages Marinette to put the Ladybug Miraculous back on after she messed up her first mission, it's Alya telling Marinette that she believes that Ladybug can handle it. I feel like Alya is underapreciated if you think about it

[@daughterofchatblanc]

Even if we take Marinette's aversion to her out of the equation, Alya should have had enough braincells to know Lila was fluent in bullshit simply based on how insanely and unrealistically perfect and famous Lila pretended to be. If the daughter of the mayor (who is basically god in this show) has not done half the things lila apparently has, why would you believe Lila's life is that perfect? If someone showed up at a real highschool and claimed to know a ton of celebrities and travelled the world...etc, either no one would care or everyone would be like "sure you have..."😐

[@empirestate8791]

They shouldn't have cut the scene where Alya apologizes for not believing Marinette about Lila. That simple line would have provided character growth for Alya!

[@KittMouri]

I'm fine with Alya. I think she genuinely loves Marinette and has her back. The biggest question I had was why did Marinette just tell her about the threats Lila made to her? Why did she only just say that she didn't like her, trust her, etc? It was FAIR to assume that Ayla would think Marinette's dislike of her was due to jealousy. I mean...Marinette is a CERTIFIED stalker, so this...makes...sense!! Moreover, Alya is just a teenager, she's going to make mistakes. She doesn't have the wisdom of an adult AND she doesn't have the benefit of omnipotence that we, the VIEWER have by being able to see EVERYTHING that's happening to EVERY character during the show.

[@phylesenavidad5714]

THIS 🧡🧡

[@RonnieSoakers]

My head cannon is that Lila has an innate unrefined superpower to control/influence people which Mari and Adrian can resist due to the miraculous. Mari being the first person to ever call Lila out would explain her instant and extreme loathing of her, and it's the only way I can accept the other classmates reactions. Still bad writing since even if it was true it should have been stated earlier by Fu or Gabe as a possibility.

[@KayterinMaimay]

2:34 I CAN’T I RELATE TO THIS BIT SO MUCH IT SPEAKS ON ME ON A SPIRITUAL LEVEL 😭💀

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

Alya is my favorite miraculous character but that being said I absolutely love Alya salt

[@ALLINE835]

yes

[@maverickhanecak1682]

She ain’t my fave. ‘Cause she makes Marinette angry and she’s an annoying ginger who doubts and disbelieves a lot! But Rose is a MORE ANNOYING loser than Alya!

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisTRF]

That's an interesting take on it. Not judging though. 😅😁

[@maverickhanecak1682]

Alya NEEDS to STOP FINDING PEOPLES’ WEAKNESSES, @@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisTRF !!!

[@cacaumassipanoficial6203]

Alya's only problem is in relation to the latest events, I know things had to happen that way for the story, but Alya didn't have to completely believe Lila, she could have doubts out of concern but even after hearing Adrien also say that Lila is not what she seems she doesn't even question it, Alya doesn't even know Lila enough but she knows Marinete better and is her best friend, after everything that happened with them she should support Marinete.

[@tinyamateur5300]

I would like to add two things. Even when Alya knew Marinette was Ladybug, it still didn't effect how she saw Lila. In fact. It got worse. And two, Alya is wannabe reporter. She even said it herself that 'a good reporter always checks her sources'. And yet, those words seemed to have vanished into thin air when it comes to Lila. And the writing for her is so bad, that apparently, her world famous blog is not being seen by people who knew the subject Lila is lying about it. Lila saying that Jaggered Stone has a cat on a blog that is supoosed to be reliable, is more then enough for Alya to bleed more then enough followers for her to question who she's inteviewing.

[@catm1484]

I don't think Alya is a bad friend for believing Lila-- if that is the case, every single classmate except Adrien is a bad friend which nobody says. I think the only way she is not a good friend is by egging Marinette on after Adrien and just laughing off some of the worse things she does, and I think that we can write it off honestly; she was not there for the worst things Marinette has done and she is a teenage girl as well. Moreover, she is a teenage girl whose relationship kind of fell into her lap. She didn't have the longstanding crush and the craziness that teens can get, so some of this might seem sensible to her because she hasn't been in Marinette's shoes. Don't get me wrong, its a flimsy theory, but still a theory lol.

[@ethantay4630]

they are all bad friends like these lies are so outlandish to begin with , and they just ate it up

[@emelylassiter3523]

Yeah that's why soclince is better than alya because unlike alya who's so desperate to get Marinette into a love story soclince told Marinette how she can't fall in love so easily she needs time to get to know him before she's really crazy about him

[@ethantay4630]

@@emelylassiter3523 wait…wasn’t that girl essentially marinettes meat shield? Like, if we think of that, that’s even worse?

[@snooker7107]

People are blowing this out of proportion. Did they forget what Alya did for Marinette? She helped her with every little thing. Its kinda unfair.

[@storygirl747watts4]

Yes...but what bothers us is that her friendship towards Marinette is backwards. Like think of it in the context you gave. Alya has been friends with her before she knew she was Ladybug and now after. She has helped cover for her, and been her wing woman. She deadass knows that while Marinette is flawed, that she is a good person and doesn't act without reason. And yet she doesn't believe her or Adrien when they say that Lila is lying. What kind of friend does that? Especially knowing that there are secrets that she can not divulge for the safety of everyone in town?

[@snooker7107]

@@storygirl747watts4 Thats true, but straight up hating her is kinda too much. I also think her not believing Marinette is out of character and just a result of poor writing. Its sad how everyone becomes stupid when lila is around.

[@luiserodriguezserrano4287]

I think she's a good friend personally. Specially with her actions in Season 4.

[@Birimonsuta]

Yes i see where you are coming from❤❤

[@johnmckinney5931]

Yes she has flaws, but she is one of the most reasonable characters in the show. That doesn’t say much though

[@icecreamhero2375]

But I love Anya she is the heart of the show. I love how she uses her telekinesis to help save the day. Opps wrong show.

[@maellesaliou5871]

I could understand Alya being skeptical of Marinette's claims about Lila in season 2 and season 3, and the fact that Lila does good good with others to pretend that she's so nice and perfect is also an understandable reason for Alya to not beleive Marinette right away that Lila is a liar and a manipulator (friends can disagree and have different opinions about people) But the moment Marinette told Alya her secret about being Ladybug, she should have acknowledged that Marinette was at least right about Lila being a liar. At this point the only thing Alya could have still been skeptical about is wether Lila's lying was malicious or not (lying to make yourself look good is not necessarilly evil). Also the fact that Adrien backed up Marinette's claims about Lila in season 5 should have make Alya rethink her judgement. To brush of Adrien's opinion and concern like that over the pretext that he's gonna agree with Marinette out of boyfriend duties and loyalty was very rude and disrespectfull. Also if Adrien who was able to give Chloé a chance of all of people is saying that Lila is a dangerous liar and manipulator, and that he regrets je haven't said anything sooner, shouldn't Alya take him more seriously ? Also at this point in season 5 Marinette matured enough to show that she wasn't letting jealousy cloud her judgement and making her do crazy things out of jealousy anymore (in the same episode all of Paris beleive that Adrien and Kagami are a couple, and it doesn't bother Marinette, yet Alya still thinks Marinette dislikes Lila out of jealousy) Also in Revelation just because Lila says that Marinette called her an idiot, even though no one else heard Marinette say that and Marinette herself Denies it, Alya automatically believed Lila over her best friend. Even in season 4 Alya totally ignored Marinette's concerns when she stated that she wanted to save Adrien not form Lila but from his father, jealousy was out of the question this time. Also while Lila was literally calling Marinette a civilian Monarch who would ruin her friends future just because of what happened in the previous episode, Alya said nothing to defend Marinette. "We ALL understand that it's Marinette's fault" was a pretty schoking thing for Lila to say about Alya's own best friend, yet she said nothing. That may may be how a friend or even a buddy behave, but not a best friend. Zoé had proved to be more helpfull and understanding toward Marinette during this whole seaosn so far than Alya did. Alya may be a good ally and friend, but she is not a good best friend

[@pandagoddess2774]

I love alya, but my biggest issue with her is the fact that she’s Rena rouge so she holds the fox miraculous yet earlier in the seasons when Lila claim to be the holder of the fox miraculous ladybug quite literally proved that was false,(and calls Lila a liar) so I’m just very confused as to why alya would believe Lila over Marinette AND ladybug (who at the time she didn’t know was Marinette) but I can’t remember if Lila came up with an excuse in the actual episode for that as well. Reminds me of that one episode of ANT farm where Cyna was like “this girl is trying to copy me and steal my life” and no one believed her

[@Moon_Person]

Alya is my favorite character :D

[@yazminyari]

The Nino thing is even worst when you remember Alya nearly lost a mirculous because she decided to let Nino use the turtle without letting Marinette know, after being entrusted with the secret, only to give it to fake sentimonster Nino. Man the in canon timeline within the show really messes the perception of dynamics because as you said, at best it was a few months those two have been dating! If it had been like a year I could maybe understand but nope less time than that.

[@DigiDestined13]

I mean, these characters are only as smart as the plot demands them to be, so there's that. But really, for me, Alya's reaction to the Marinette and Lyla situation is completely understandable... or at least, it would be if it wasn't for the fact that Lyla literally told the entire world on the LadyBlog that she and Ladybug were BFFs. Because, see, up until early Season 4, only Marinette could prove that wasn't the case. But once Alya discovered the big secret, she should have realized what Lyla said was, in fact, a lie. But, of course, the writers conveniently forgot about this plot point, so nothing ever came of it.

[@RandomPerson-th1pu]

this more feels like a moment of being extremely out of character to force conflict instead of alya actually being a bad friend. she believed marinette, supported her and even encouraged her through all her creepy stalker nonsense and sabotaging all other girls who had feelings for adrien-- but suddenly shes skeptical now? its weird.

[@TaiSwift05]

Alya is a good friend it's just when it came to Lila she didn't believe Marinette because she's like to jump the gun and she was jealous before that's why and when it came to Adrien Marinette kept using Ladybug as an excuse and Alya knows that Adrien is Marinette's weakness but she wants to be there for Marinette

[@Star-ef6dr]

Sounds like a dumb kids show with inconsistant bad writing with fans many years older than the target audience taking it too seriously.

[@DarkLordDumbledore]

"I should be Monarch. I would win." - Smarty Pants 6:52

[@Harumi27282]

😅

[@Cosmic_Espeon]

I swear Lila needs to get the Oscar for best performance because Jesus H is she a character. The fact people swallow her crap is astounding.

[@shilpaambadipudi8129]

I'm an Alya stan and I adore her, and I don't think she's a bad friend. In fact, I think she's a great friend. But a lot of the Lila thing does bother me. I can understand her not being on Marinette's side at the beginning. Marinette accuses Lila of being a liar before even getting to know her, all because she was cozying up to Adrien. But it bothers me that when Adrien, kind-hearted, good, Prince Charming-esque Adrien, straight up calls Lila a liar, she chalks it up to him being a good boyfriend, even though the Adrien we know would stand up for the people he believes in, even against his friends. And it really bothers me that Ms. Bustier is the only one who apologizes to Marinette for not believing her. For someone who understands superpowers so well, and most likely understood why Marinette kept her identity a secret, she can dumb sometimes! When she began experimenting with different costumes, she actually suggested she would post all the different options on the Ladyblog to have fans vote, even after Marinette repeatedly told her she has to keep it a secret that she still has this Miraculous. And then telling Nino was massively stupid too. I will always love Alya, but I do sort of understand some of the hate she gets.

[@masonlowder3353]

I will say one, yes. Alya should have taken Marinette's side expressly considering she is a journalist who didn't check up on Lila's stories. Also. Did Alya just figure out Lila's a fake Now? And not when Marinette confessed to being Ladybug?

[@CreekSong.warriors]

I loved alya at first she was my favorite character i tried to just brush off that alya believed lie la over Marinette but oh I hated her because even when she knew Mari was ladybug she STILL believed liela over her best friend! And even told adrien that “he doesn’t need to defend Marinette since lie la is obviously correct” and that is when all my respect for her vanished. She was so dumb to believe liela I mean how can the wannabe reporter not even check the facts when talking to liela while Marinette is shoving proof in her face and honestly I think Marinette should of taken her miraculous earlier because that girl is a bad friend

[@zachmakesstuff9866]

People saying alya is bad for losing the ladybug in s5 don’t realise nobody told them to take the alliance off, and nobody could have as nobody knew it would track them

[@haliehope7067]

alya is as good as a friend as the series is gonna write. i mean think about it. everyone gets hit with the stupid stick with lila or whatever her name is. the show has great characters when they aren't all sheep. then again i don't care for alya, not because she can be dense and such, but more because it was a push back against the idea that alya is a better partner for superheroism than chat noir, which she played a different role and had different powers so it shouldn't be a comparison. alya is blinded by love and a bit foolish. nino is the character that should get hated on for being a bad friend for the reasons people say alya is a bad friend. the only thing i am annoyed about is them never addressing oh i was a stupid jerk from alya's side. like she knew who ladybug really was and never said "oh, sorry about the whole lila thing" since she would know that ladybug and lila wouldn't be friends when she found out marnette was ladybug and she knows that marnette loathes lila. so her interactions with lila should have changed with that because that is a clear lie that she could figure out even if she was hit with the stupid stick.

[@ALLINE835]

3rd

[@kou7191]

The only time I can say I got genuinely annoyed was when Adrien confirmed Marinette was right about Lila all along and both Alya and Nino brushed it off as "aww so cute you lie to defend your girlfriend" but as you said, the actual problem is Lila and the way everyone *has* to be an idiot around her.

[@paus.8429]

Personally, I find that Alya's problem is that she's mostly underutilised, especially if she doesn't have a miraculous. With the Lila issue, while grating and hypocritical in some ways, from seasons 1-3 it can be excused if she doesn't immediately side with Marinette over Lila and obsess alongside her trying to find ways to expose her. It was frustrating to watch and I hated every second of it, but compared to what was to come, at least I can excuse it now. But from season 4 onwards, arguably the season Alya was at her most efficient and badass, after learning Marinette is Ladybug, she loses that excuse completely. And once season 5 rolls around, the fact that she and Marinette have had several sleepovers that were 90% reduced to talking about Marinette's love life is such a kick in the gut. In season 4, at least it's true Lila didn't do anything to warrant a talk between the two, but in season 5 Lila's been back to being sus as early as episode, what, 3? How is it possible that after Illusion these two never sat down to talk about why Marinette really hates Lila? Especially since her lie about being Ladybug's BFF actually carries so much weight and it actually affects Alya in more ways than one. This all just implies Alya's role as Marinette's confidant isn't worth anything if she doesn't have a miraculous, where she's relegated to being Marinette's wingwoman, and even THAT has had practically no impact on Adrienette's progression throughout the plot. So, basically, it all reads as Alya not being allowed to do anything unless she is Rena Rouge. And speaking of Rena Rouge, or in this case, Rena Furtive, her telling Nino her secret didn't help her any either. Because it wasn't just HER secret, it was Marinette's trust she was breaking and over a guy who, while well-intentioned, simply SUCKS at keeping a secret. And Nino didn't just have trouble with secrets in that season for the sake of drama; in season 2 Carapace was so similar to him Alya immediately figured him out, and in season 3 in, *shudders*, Puppeteer 2 he was having a real hard time trying to follow Alya's plan to get Adrienette together without saying too much. So instead of outright betraying her best friend's trust in a time when it was clear she needed her the most, since Nino was already playing detective, maybe have him find out about Rena Furtive by mistake, have him get akumatised over why Alya wouldn't trust him with that information (after all, Hawk Moth only "learned to read minds" when it was convenient, i.e. when it was time to give Luka the boot), and have him realise whatever the reason, Alya is within her right to have secrets while vowing to look out for her while she looks out for everyone else. ...until Strike Back forced him to blow his cover to everyone, Alya included.

[@paus.8429]

Oh, and more thing. Sorry, I forgot to say this earlier: yes, Alya was intended to apologise, I actually watched the scene when it leaked. But she apologised for being gullible, when from seasons 4-5 her problem wasn't so much that she was gullible, as it was that she stubbornly and repeatedly chose to blatantly ignore Marinette's warnings and concerns regarding Lila. So...the whole thing sorta falls flat to me.

[@zimonzieclown1633]

So we're just ignoring all the ways Alya enables Marinette's pursuit of Adrian? Okay, cool.

[@zapko4415]

4:04 it's true, in storyboards was scene when alya admits that she was naive, everyone gave credits to marinette and adrien said that she's amazing

[@_mehreen]

Second

[@ileilanambingaamtheleader1154]

I am not stupid. I am not inefficient. The Creator Of Galaxies is not stupid. The Creator Of Galaxies is not inefficient.

[@Someguyhere111]

Alya: "We have to find the one who framed you." Marinette: "Lila." Alya: "No, whoever it actually was." This bit really pissed me off. Lila claimed that Marinette pushed her down some stairs, so either she's lying or Marinette did it, there's no room for a third party here!

[@Halfbad-bf1lt]

I wouldn’t say she’s a bad friend just another victim of the dodgy wringing the show has. Her character is written to be loyal, supportive and intelligent unless the story demands this characterisation to be thrown out the window; usually just so they can set up a bit where Marinette feels alone so she can either nearly be akumatised or comforted by Adrian, whichever the writers want for that particular episode. The next episode she’ll be back to her usual supportive self. Her characterisation is ultimately dependant on whether Lila is part of the episode, same with the rest of the class’ faith in Marinette

[@owenjolley351]

2:37 *I guess that means you’re not able to listen to Biz Markie’s “Just A Friend” then.*

[@derekpolischeck9268]

marinette revealed her identity to Alya which means she should have known that ladybug and Lila weren't friends

[@blackneko1781]

I liked Alya so much as a best friend and all, but that was until the whole Lila situation, then she started kinda being colder towards Marinette like you know, not believing her, thinking she's crazy, not supporting her, doubting her, and i really started questioning why is Marinette still friends with her?? Like if you see she started treating you like a weirdo something is clearly not working. I mean a friend especially a best friend should accept you as you are, not try and change you or treat you like you need special help. She's clearly not even trustworthy because as you said she couldn't even keep a life threatening secret from her boyfriend, and about believing Lila's lies, i consider her the most idiot of them all because her lies are not even credible, you'd have to have the IQ of a new born pupy to actually believe her lies, i mean how supid can someone be? And after all she is supposed to be her best friend, and that means that she is supposed to know her better than anyone but yet she still believes Lila? I mean is so obvious that she lied up until forever and i think it was even demonstrated a few times, why does she still believe her crap???

[@eeveefennecfox]

people hate her? *WTF?*

[@yashenumulla4068]

Smarty pants it is true that there was a scene cut from confrontation in which Alya does apologise and hugs her after Mrs. Bustier apologises

[@PancakeRights]

SmartyPants do you think Marinette deserves to be Ladybug? Who do you think would be the ultimate best ladybug?

[@brodypl5804]

He already made a video about that, the one where he ranks all Ladybug miraculous holders.

[@PancakeRights]

@@brodypl5804 thanks! What do you personally think?

[@phylesenavidad5714]

Personally, I would love to see either Kagami or Soccline be LB

[@PancakeRights]

@@phylesenavidad5714 Exactly me too. Marinette doesn't even deserve to be Ladybug. Do you think she's a bad protagonist?

[@phylesenavidad5714]

@HumanRightsSupporter Idk if I would all of say that. I have issues with her, but it's not really her fault. For example: yes, Mari takes her crush on Adrien way too far at times and can be a bit of a stalker, but her friends ENCOURAGE it and/or treat it like it's cute. How is she supposed to know better when no one tells her how creepy it is? Another example: Adrien has shown to be very smart and a very skilled fighter but has to be dumped down and lose fights so that LB can save the day and look better by comparison 😒 Now that's not really her fault, it's just bad writing. Kagami and Soccline ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. I've seen them handle themselves without a miraculous. I would LOVE to see them take the LB role

[@nash6568]

Eh, she’s made some bad decisions definitely, but she’s always been there for Marinette and that’s got to count for something.

[@mermaidsabrina7896]

i agree and disagree at the same time yes if you have someone like mari who has done some questionable things then yes it kinda makes sense how she would not belive her but at the same time if adrian dosen't like alya shouldn't that say something?

[@ileilanambingaamtheleader1154]

I am not full of shit. The Creator Of Galaxies is not full of shit.

[@slaybutton1692]

4:10 it is true I saw the storyboard floating around. Even thomas himself reacted and said he was disappointed they cut it because it was so important

[@storygirl747watts4]

I will agree that given some of the circumstances, you are right. Alya is a teenager with a friend that has creepy behavior. She is allowed to make mistakes. But here is what gets me; Despite knowing that her best friend is the most important superhero in Paris, she still believes Lila's crap. Like, Alya my girl, since Marinette outed herself to you Lila has said some shit to you IN FRONT OF YOUR BEST FRIEND/HERO that you could have EASILY verified after the fact! It easily could have happened in a convo between classes! Yes, Marinette is a teenager and is thus not perfect, but honestly, how does Alya not know how good of a person she is? Marinette saved Paris how many times?! She has fought Hawk Moth on how many occasions?! She saved the damn world! Alya was even there for some of those occasions! What would possess her to think that her best friend, who she knows is a genuinely good person, would bully a classmate in any way shape or form? Especially when there is a supervillain that is trying to capitalize off of negative emotions at all times? Marinette even has a hard time standing up to Chloe, and Chloe is an ass to everyone at school 90% of the time! Like Alya. Girl come on. Apologize for joining the cult of Lila despite having to know that she is lying like a bad rug.

[@lucasfaraone4422]

I literally hate Alya so much omg like she put marinetts identidy in danger way too many times!! Im still mad at her for telling Alya in the first place but shes just not a good friend!

[@FeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisTRF]

Exactly! Thank you!

[@elijahduperrier1856]

how doses one not like alya i mean she can be annoying but so can everyone

[@archermania9314]

Alya in my opinion isn't a bad character, she's just inconsistent as most Miraculous characters are, but unlike Marinette, this character definitely deserves some hate, as she alongside all of Marinette's "friends" didn't believe or help Marinette at all when it came to Lila. Mylene and Alya were at their worst in Chameleon, Revelation and Adoration as they were gullible, stupid, disloyal and ignorant. Honestly if Alya was really a good friend she would've at least investigate Lila. While it's infuriating to see her act condescending towards Marinette for calling Lila a liar she still has many good qualities and is still a semi loyal friend to Marinette despite her many flaws. I personally like Alya alongside Marinette, Adrien, Nino, Luka and Kagami but it kills me to see her act SO stupid.

[@CyanideOwl]

At the end of the day Alya is a fox not a dog. She wont be loyal.

[@livsouth8503]

Earlyyyy! hows life

[@r0t_king69]

Also after she learns about marinette is ladybug she still believes Lila she should know Lila is a lier because of one of the first lies she toldthat she "was friends with ladybug" alya should know by now that Lila has lied about at least one thing, I feel with her personality and her as a journalist she should try to investigate to see if Lila has any more lies

[@seerunaqvi7881]

ALYA IS DEFINETELY NOT A BAD PERSON

[@Harumi27282]

Ss2 is the best ss that this show ever have

[@Kentneh]

i"m sorry but no alya IS a bad friend cause if they're bestfriend THAT much how can u continuesly believe a girl who first time she arrives in school get akumatised because her lies were revealed to the light? how can u just go along the crazy thing your friends do and even plan/partake in those crazy things? how can you betray your bestfriend trust over a silly stupid boyfriend? and from where do you think that you have the right to decide for your so called BESTFRIEND who she can and cannot like???? call me stupid but this kind of "friendship" is nothing less than bad so yeah we can say that she's a bad friend not horrible because at times she did got marrinette's back but still it's not enough compared to what she did "against" her to support her case

[@yumalove7223]

I mean I use to lie alot but I changed

[@ethansmith1620]

Alya is still my favorite character no matter what

[@BimDaTitanicNerd]

4:22 Yes the deleted scene is indeed real. And I'm very upset that they cut it off, it could've been a great potential for Alya. Tho i think they will probably still make her apologize in a future episode.

[@viviennemorgan7217]

at first i like alya but in the season 3 new york special she supports marinette's stalking like who supports people or friends stalking on their crushes.

[@viviennemorgan7217]

but alya is a bad friend to her best friend.

[@dewereldvansamenta4731]

She deserves it

[@pashun4fashun]

Nah. This explanation is completely correct before the identity reveal. Thereafter… it’s really no excuse for Alya to dive head first into shutting marinette down at every turn. It’s just not realistic for your “bff” to be that clueless and not skeptical at all. Notice how the uproar is not towards the rest of the friend group… cause they are not privy to certain details/situations. They’re more than likely gonna act from a place of maybe we don’t know her as well as we think… whereas Alya has the scoop. Post reveal, she deserves all the hate and that apology scene would’ve stopped it immediately. But to keep y’all making videos I guess……..

[@nia91281]

"I should be Monarch, I would win." 😂😂😂

[@ztyran]

3:18 Or would make great Trump supporters. 😂 I'm not apologizing.

[@audreysinggih697]

Respectfully,I completely believe that Alya deserves ALL hate she gets.She is awful reporter and toxic friend whose toxic ass Marinette needs to dumped.She(and many of Marinette's classmates) are pressurive towards Marinette which is classified as abusive.I hope Marinette dump their abusive asses for people like Zoe.Healthiest and deepest friendship here is Zoe's and Marinette's friendship.(Heck,even both Edward Anthony and Jacob combined are NOWHERE as abrasive as Alya alone)

[@savannahvictor8819]

“I should be Monarch. I would win” -SmartyPants 2023 Idk why I laughed so hard at this “*sigh* *high pitch* Adrian” I know why I laughed so hard at this

[@MrFishio]

I swear this show looks like merge mansion ad

[@emmalee6635]

😂

[@frap4506]

I wouldnt try to find sense in the writing choices of this show. Its clear that they write purely for certain story beats to happen with little regard for character and story consistency. Anyway, would love to hear your thoughts on felix and kagami's relationship dynamic. I think its one of the most interesting subplot in season 5 regardless of how rushed it is.

[@CelticVictory]

I was unaware Alya was receiving hate. I actually liked Alya and thought she tried to be a good friend and girlfriend. However, she is not a good detective.

[@millicentgordon5427]

I wished Marinette would have told Alya that lila threatened her,surely Alya would know marinette wouldn't make up something like that and her being ladybug gives her more credibility since that proves lila also lied about being friends with ladybug

[@jj1abb]

With how strong hate for Alya is I don't want to believe it's just another Chloe and Zoe Lee situation. Introduce a new character to make an older character look worse by comparison to justify bad writing. In this case Socqueline vs Alya in the whose the better BFF deabte. The hate from Alya that I have seen, at least in this regaurd, is she believes Lila. Only thing everyone but one person believed Lila and that was Adrian. Marinette didn’t think Lila was lying until Alya brought up that Lila knows Ladybug. If Alya never brought that up then Marinette would still believe Lila as that was the only thing that made Marinette question anything Lila says. Then there is also the problem with the writing as it makes everyone seem stupid and Marinette is the only character smart enough to question what Lila says. Even though Adrian knew instantly when he told Lila she doesn't have to lie to impress him. There is also the problem as Alya wanted to see Marinette's point of view by asking for some type of evidence to make sure Marinette isn't going overboard. Like how Marinette did with Kagami when she tried to sabotage her on three separate occasions just because she didn't want Kagami and Adrian to be together. It's just bad writing with how the characters are written.

[@psychoyuuichi]

♥️

[@misfits9294]

Honestly, the fact Alya believes Lila over Marinette is just blatantly out of character writing for plot convenience, that I honestly don't even blame her for it, but the writers. Maybe the first time, yeah, she's a person who seeks the truth, I get her trying to get both sides to get to the truth, but then it keeps happening. Like bro, this has been going on for ages, just believe your BFF? Especially like, the main evidence Marinette had on Lila being a liar is, y'know, the ladyblog video where she said she had been saved by Ladybug and was close with her. The minute Alya realizes she IS Ladybug and was saying that, she immediately now knows Marinette has a source to back that up; herself. So it just all around feels like lazy writing to get the plot moving.

[@Lommany]

in the Volpina series - alya was very happy that Lila gave her an interview. Maybe Alya is a fan of Lila?

[@AtomicFoxMimi]

thank you, ive been saying this as well.

[@stefaniarusso]

​@@Lommany agree

[@Andovers848]

2 bad points for alya : - cringe about overforcing marinette to love adrien - being a journalist and believe Lilas