SMASH CON WAS UPSET CENTRAL (super smash con 2023 recap)

this event was insane, some of the most unexpected upsets Ive ever seen, as well as soooooo many bangers, great first P tier of the season
raw vods
• SSC 2023 - Onin (Steve...
• SSC 2023 - Shuton (Pyr...
• SSC 2023 Winners Quart...
• SSC 2023 Top 16 - DDee...
• SSC 2023 Losers Quarte...
• SSC 2023 GRAND FINALS ...

[@Litttlepersonhi]

I think people underestimate how big of a win this is for acola. He has never won a P tier event before this despite coming so close. Winning this event almost dominantly whilst his competition for number 1 did not make top 32 pretty much cements his 1st place ranking for a while. Also Dabuz will win a major this year, it is almost certainly going to happen.

[@tastyfalcon1788]

He had a fantastic bracket tbf, only fighting 1 top 20 player the whole tournament. But it’s not his fault that everyone else got upset

[@larrygynch1249]

Leo just got tired of being number 1.. he will wake up soon

[@nikkobird590]

I feel like dabuz could of won

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@tastyfalcon1788 Big D, Dabuz and Neo are very close to being top 20. However, I agree that he had a very good bracket. Ice climbers and Kazuya are free for Steve.

[@randomguy8107]

I doubt it sadly, because Dabuz is very likely to run into Acola, Leo, Spargo, Tweek, Light, Gluto or Sonix in grand finals of a major or before. And he HEAVILY struggles against all of them. His best chances in the bunch are against Tweek and Gluto with Sonix being 3rd but I would still not favor Dabuz against them sadly, except maybe if he has 2 sets to work with. I am a Rosa player and I believe in Dabuz and Rosalina, but he will still need bracket luck to finally get a major win And maybe this will age poorly and Dabuz just pops off at Throne but that’s me wishfully thinking

[@AxelotlYT]

Acolas parries were insane in the neo match, i think he parried like 15 times

[@swordre5805]

He parry so much but he can't counter Neo most of the time. Either his sword is too short or too slow. Acola beat Neo last time using parry but Neo seems to be prepared this time.

[@AxelotlYT]

@@swordre5805 yeah i remember the last one

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@swordre5805 Corrin's disjoints are too big for Steve to get any punish if spaced properly.

[@ahmadkazan5473]

@@swordre5805 everything in ultimate is so safe and fast you almost have to be frame perfect to punish after guessing correctly parries provide very little benefit like move was -4 it's now -7,at least it let's you use tilts immediately.

[@ringss_]

I find it quite amusing how Marss can sometimes just choose to become a top player, and show up so hard for a huge tournament. It's always nice to see how he still maintains a passion for the competitive side of this game, and I look forward to his 1 amazing run a year.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

Well, he is "the best player in the world" remember his video thumbnails? Marss just let those guys win

[@daimajin266]

Miya had the best Smash Con tournament this year. 3 top 10 wins + Zomba, Ken and DDee twice. A machine

[@fupalover]

He's the king of losers runs.

[@shun8104]

Man I'm so sad he had to play Dabuz twice (happy for Dabuz tho). If he won this tournament it would've been the best or second best losers run after Leo's Frostbite 2020 for sure, and most importantly he was cooking hard so I wanted to see how he does vs acola. I'm also happy that he 3-0'd MoDzai who's a really good Pacman, hope he can get the runback on Tea soon.

[@sc_krispy9459]

Won a smashies award..

[@ZizouEnjoyer225]

Ddee is top 10 in our hearts

[@ygt0812]

Every player who got top 8 at Smash Factor X and attended SSC really underperformed (Sparg0, Sonix, Shuton, and Sisqui).

[@Spyder-Marth]

And all of their names start with the letter "S"

[@myoblivion420]

​@@Spyder-MarthWhat a coincidence 😂

[@fupalover]

I hope they dont use the burnout john.

[@ygt0812]

They can't since Kameme won Ulttimate Wanted 5. Not as stack but still

[@ahmadkazan5473]

they probably were too relaxed."Yeah I won one already might as well relax" and underestimated the competition,especially sonix and spargo sonix played like he never met a zoner in his life.

[@sho6883]

Don't know the clue, but someone says Acola practicing with Ly a lot to counter play Sparg0, which in turn makes Ly quite familiar with Sparg0 mu.

[@octaviodelbarrio]

Maybe Ly plays cloud as well or he is focusing on parrying sword aerials

[@nevohyams]

less notable upsets: Gackt at 49th to Dark Wizzy and MVD Cosmos at 49th to Mr E and WebbJP (is this even notable? tbf he was pretty injured and he went all Inkling) Skyjay at 33rd to Big D and WebbJP Lima at 129th to Fawn and Smirk

[@shun8104]

It's so funny that all the (mostly unjustified) LumiRank bashing got proven weong within 2 days lol Miya played amazing, I'm really looking forward his next set vs acola and Sparg0. It sucks we didn't get any sets between the top 4 though. Also we've been getting some bad luck in brackets lately. This "guy with higher chance of beating acola needs to play his demon first" top 4 was kinda anticlimactic. We can't predict upsets so it can't be helped but it sucks.

[@ManuelPersona24]

I absolutely agree with you! Could you mention who exactly were the critics? Was it Hazmatt and Charles?

[@shun8104]

@@ManuelPersona24 Can't mention them all but iirc all the guys on Tweek Talks and Lights Out were team Sparg0 #1 because h2h. They were busy mentioning nonsensical reason as to why acola and (by consequence Japan as well) was overrated instead of attending regionals to boost NA's ranking.

[@ManuelPersona24]

@@shun8104 Thank you very much, Shun! That is exactly what I wanted to know!

[@SN-gv9zw]

sparg0’s loss was just heartbreaking. he was so close to #1 and won the first tournament of the new season, but this one result has reduced his chances at #1 significantly. unless acola and other top 3-5 players have bad results AND sparg0 plays perfectly until the end, it’s hard to say if he can be first

[@Clarity696]

Shuton and Miya playing for 17th just doesn't sound real.

[@mizuki2184]

gackt getting 49th losing to wizzy and chronos

[@xxwallzxx4509]

Acola is the current best. Has beaten everyone there is in tournaments. Has taken this one and just went further in rankings in first place.

[@dkvizco9823]

Chunkykong almost beat sonix🦍

[@ReiniBlue]

I really enjoyed the tournament in terms of match quality, so many crazy major grand finals-worthy hyped set as early as top 128 The bads: - The chat is just so toxic for most tournaments, nothing but complaints about characters and rankings - so many commentators had no business commentating by day 2 and 3, it was very off putting. Maybe watching raw gameplay footage is the way to go

[@fupalover]

Chat always sucks.

[@savagenoria2003]

Which commentators?

[@grimxdisstracks3178]

Which commentators?

[@el_escualo]

Hello, Proofblock! Once again, I bring some more information about how the Spanish (and European) boys fared at the event. -Sisqui had his worst performance, not just in America, but in a major in general, by a long shot. He got 49th last year losing to Regalo and Tilde, but this years lackluster run cemented Smash Con as his cursed tournament. Losing to Jules in a bo3 can be understandable. Playing against Steve, even if it has a Quickplay-ish style, with so little time to adapt, has the potential to go wrong and snowball fast. I watched the set on Etoiles stream and felt bad for Sisqui, cause it felt like Jules didnt really beat him, but outjanked him. The defeat against Dany is what REALLY should shock everyone. Sisqui is really good in the Wolf MU, has a dominant record against both Oryon and Pepo (probably the two best European representatives of the character), sometimes actually steamrolling them, so this upset comes as a huge surprise for us. If he won, he would have had to face Sonix, but given that he had just lost to Icymist right before and that Samus is one of the actual troublesome characters for Sonic, he could have gotten it. But if you lose to Dany and dont even get to Sonix, thats rough, chief. -Andres getting the upset on a top 10 player like Shuton with a reverse 3-0 not only feels like something out of a movie, but its also the end of a story for Andres. Last season, the only Spaniard he lost to (aside from Sisqui) was Ragda, an Aegis main. Hes good, but hes nowhere near Shutons caliber. And watching the Fariñas boy implement new things into his playstyle to overcome an adversary like Shuton truly felt cathartic. Aaaand then he lost to Zomba (probably pulled out the Ken due to previous experience against Europes best ROB, Vidad, but Ryu or Terry would have probably been the play there, to either have a non SDIable Shoryuken or more mixups on the recovery) and then unfortunately falled against Ddee, who was on a tear. -Shoutouts to Tarik and Raflow for defending Europes integrity and honor. -Raflow, after losing to Rivers, got on a HUUUGE losers run (including a runback against Rivers!) and, switching perfectly between Palu and his secondary Samus, managed to take names like Wizzy and Ly on his way to 13th, being the only European on top 16 at the event, and with an 11-2 set count. -And what to say about Tarik... His set against Mute, for me, was the set of the tournament and it wasnt even close. He had a really promising 17th place at BOBC5, and doubled down with a 25th at Smash Con. Watch out for die Maschine, his Greninja is truly becoming a true menace. -And a final shoutout to the Europeans who overperformed: 1. Crepe Salee, the French Steve main (ex Wario main), who got 65th with seed 97 losing to Syrup AND SPARG0 ON LOSERS 2. Mad Ice King (Netherlands Robin, 257th with seed 518) 3. C.K (British Link, 385th with seed 823) 4. Blackrenown (Norwegian Sonic, 193rd with seed 612)

[@Konda_X]

Acola is just the best

[@fupalover]

Only 2 of the top 10 seeds made top 8. That is why Acola is #1. Doesn't matter how many times Spargo beats Acola, Acola has the consistency that no other top 5-10 player has. Also s/o to Miya. The king of losers runs. Beat Shuton Light & Tweek just to make top 8 and then took more names before getting 3rd.

[@aramisbetances572]

Steve's consistency. Acola is great but I'm not gonna sugar coat it he's super carried by Steve and if anyone disagrees they are completely delusional. If you look at all the matches the other players have to work 100x harder while Acola does basic Steve combos and the sets are close. He also just presses b to camp. The margin for error for Steve is completely lower than anyone else which is why Acola stays ahead. He plays Aegis or any other character and would be in trouble and that's the truth. If the other top defensive players in ult pick up Steve then they would destroy Acola fs.

[@kogu1729]

@@aramisbetances572okay but how is Acola the only Steve that’s consistently making top 8 at majors and super majors? Acola is far and away one of the best players in the world - suggesting that Acola would not win tournaments with Steve is ridiculous, because you could say the same with any other top player. Lets see Spargo take a tournament with Pikachu, let’s see Light play Sonic, do you really think they would perform just as well with different characters? I can understand not liking Steve gameplay, but Acola is a very talented player and his decision making is some of the best in the world

[@myoblivion420]

​@@kogu1729It's a copy and paste message

[@aramisbetances572]

@@kogu1729 if spawning block walls more than 3 times so effortlessly to mine and win neutral for free while players have to work tirelessly to break it. Just Acola can extend the stage with blocks to mine again is outplaying then this is sad

[@andyduhh4278]

@@aramisbetances572 if Acola is so carried by steve why wasn’t there any other Steve’s within top 30?

[@gimmieyogrits]

Acola took his mask off for a second and he looks like a Steve player😅

[@riqua27]

Super Smash Corrin Con. 3 Corrin in top 32 make it the most rep character in top 32. Also despite Neo place higher in SSC. SHADIC actually beat Neo 5-0 in exhibition match. So I think the conversation for the best Corrin might still be up there!!!

[@cringewyrm]

I dont think so, the exhibition matches really arent important. From what ive seen Neo's results are far ahead of shadics, until shadic gets stronger runs and more top 8s

[@riqua27]

@@cringewyrm L4st said this during exhibition match. If the exhibition match end in a close fight. Then yeah you can say it doesn't really matter. However this is a clean 5-0 sweep. And not to mention SHADIC mostly only loses a stock in every round. And this where the discussion about the best "rep" can come into a discussion. Did you consider the best rep best on result only? Or are you going into account skill level/character knowledge as well? Neo based on result clearly shown to be a better rep. But if we judge skill and character knowledge SHADIC might actually be better than Neo.

[@ManuelPersona24]

​​@@cringewyrmI think we should just take a look at the LumiRank to determine who is the best Corrin player. Neo is 33rd, what about Shadic?

[@randomnobody660]

@@riqua27 ...This is just spargo vs acola all over again isn't it. H2h really isn't that important. Even if shadic farms neo so hard that neo gives up on the corrin ditto, it still doesn't make him the better player if he can't get results elsewhere imo. H2h imo is only important to the point that it affects results.

[@riqua27]

@@randomnobody660 I already said in my previous comment but let just elaborate even further. If you're the kind of person who believes that the best rep should be based solely on the result. Good for you I'm not going to fault you for that. Just to note that not everyone thinks like that. Some people including me see that maybe other things like character knowledge and skill are an important aspect as well. One thing that you can evaluate between why I still believe SHADIC might still be the best Corrin is that he did some corrin tech that no other corrin main could replicate. No Neo or MKLeo ever do fair to pin like SHADIC did. So if you don't know. In low percent if you hit fair you can connect to pin if you time it correctly. Till this day no Corrin main actually ever replicates that the way SHADIC did.

[@nevohyams]

Zomba once again missing a qualifier by one spot 😿

[@kakashihatake1879]

Good riddance 👍

[@nevohyams]

@@kakashihatake1879 off goat 😤

[@gabrielmoravargas4728]

So if the number one spot is already in the invitational the next two spots get to qualify?

[@nevohyams]

@@gabrielmoravargas4728 yes. so that's Dabuz and Miya in

[@myoblivion420]

There was a qualifier for something? I thought this was just a normal tournament.

[@felix-xineliremooniere3338]

We are having a good time, chilling but meanwhile miya might be taking number 2 of spargo by the end of season if he keeps playing like that ! Also, does anyone know what rank smashcon was ? Didn’t saw it anywere

[@Kyselito]

Nah, I don't see Miya taking Sparg0's spot as number 2

[@felix-xineliremooniere3338]

@@Kyselito miya has been farming tournament and only have 2 bad placement early in the year, spargo have now 1 aswell and miya have probably as much tournament win as spargo (spargo P tier still put him in a good spot i think)

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

The gap between Sparg0 and Miya at the mid-year ranking was very big. It's gonna take a lot of work for Miya to surpass him.

[@jonahbishoppollock3229]

Miya had an insane run. Best 3 top players just to make it up top 8 and beat even more for 3rd. Miya is shaping up to be one of the best players in the world.

[@patoa3481]

Is it an unpopular opinion to say that Dabuz and Zomba are both top 3 in NA?

[@petercsabai2899]

Acola undisputed #1

[@kakashihatake1879]

Ok but gackt losing dark wizzy is wild 💀

[@shafir5726]

Acola, Dabuz and Miya and zombo played great!

[@typhlosion7872]

I told everyone that once Ddee was able to travel more, he'd pop off. And what happened?

[@Mr36Chamberz]

Ssc needs to add an extra day so they can stop doing best of 3’s.

[@typhlosion7872]

Ddee finally got his revenge

[@Pawnnnnn]

I was right when saying ken was underseeded ayeee

[@xanander4693]

Really hope the best for Spargo and Onin in the future. They are awesome dudes 🙌

[@skoolwifi3835]

Grands was an absolute bore

[@Realmfaker]

Dabuz was exhausted after all the 3 - 2s

[@AWater22]

Rosa is not mid tier

[@warrenm-up4ox]

Acola is carried by steve.

[@チョけ太郎]

The Japanese love to see Americans sore losers.

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

Acola dominance lately is pretty reminiscent of prime Leo imo. Granted, Acola plays a whack character and doesn't have the clutch factor that made prime Leo entertaining despite being so dominant.

[@Yokai_Yuri]

Acola was lucky Sparg0 got eliminated. Leo's dominance was almost flawless. Whenever someone send Ldo to losers, it was a extreme close match. In these past couple of tournaments, Sparg0 has dominated Acola consistently and Acola knows this

[@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569]

@@Yokai_Yuri That's true. I was just thinking about raw numbers. The only times in this year that Acola has missed grand finals was Maesuma 11 and Genesis. That ability to get to grands so consistently is something that we really only saw from prime Leo.

[@mychannel11231]

And when Leo won his only 2 tournaments this year, he also had his cluctch factor. Game 3 against Light in Genesis. And stay with Corrin in the GF against Sonix in Wavedash even after Sonix 3-0ed him to make the reset.

[@skoolwifi3835]

​@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569some of the biggest and most stacked tournaments to date, prime Leo still would've gotten 1st or 2nd if those raw numbers make more sense. That kid still has a long way to go

[@alexanderdiazmora3230]

That was fast

[@Huntero41]

Spargoofy

[@Snack1118]

Marss is such a talented player. I understand doing content but I wish we saw him at top level more

[@enriqueescobedo6068]

Steve winning tournament = 👎

[@Jose-ws9hr]

perhaps Mac vs Mario isn't as bad as we thought. Peanut did beat Zenyou (one of the better marios) 3-1 at genesis and then he beats Kurama 2-0 at smash con. Maybe he know's something we don't, or maybe peanut is just built different 😂

[@diegocorral8787]

Ehhh, I don't agree Rosa is Mid tier at best. I think she is a solid High tier, mostly becuase of the insane puppeteering you can do with her as Luma alone takes her out of mid tier.

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

You know, considering Sparg0's underperformance here, maybe he'll end up seeded lower at a future event with Acola and maybe have the chance of meeting him before winners finals. That would definitively help reaching him.

[@Kyselito]

For me atleast, this was one of the most disappointing tournaments I have ever seen in Ultimate, the "hype" stuff happened mostly before top 8 and we didn't get to see interestig stuff like who would've win between Sonix or Acola nor did we have hype sets between the top10

[@trouble8690]

Marss is the goat

[@gunslinger9786]

Most impressed with marss

[@dumbosquad6339]

i swear dany has a winning record vs europe💀

[@moldybreakfast5507]

Hey just to inform you, abt the zss segment, sonic is one of zss’s worst mu probs around -2

[@ProofBlock]

Okay I could see it being slightly sonics favour but there is not a world that matchup is worse then -1

[@moldybreakfast5507]

@@ProofBlock basically zair isnt effective vs sonic because he can space around it very effectively/it doesnt effectively space around spin dash, per neutral win sonic does alot more damage and once ahead zss cant do much without substantial risk, if my word isnt enough im pretty sure marss and other zss’s put it as -2 as well. But as per all zss’s -2’s, sometimes people do just get better playered/exploded but thats not a reliable thing to expecy

[@ProofBlock]

@@moldybreakfast5507 from what I’ve seen from zss charts most people say -0.5 or -1, and even tho zair isn’t great she can catch sonic while he dashes away which is Uber important, as well as being one of the only characters who can camp sonic, but tbf if he gets first stock it is kinda joever

[@sylvcast9948]

Everytime you mention Samus players you always forget Quik.

[@LawrenceMFTW]

HES THE GOAT!!!! THE GOAT!!!!!!!!!!! Edit: Proof the goat no acola

[@aramisbetances572]

Steve's consistency. Acola is great but I'm not gonna sugar coat it he's super carried by Steve and if anyone disagrees they are completely delusional. If you look at all the matches the other players have to work 100x harder while Acola does basic Steve combos and the sets are close. FFS Dabuz, Light, Tweek, etc play near perfect with all their tech and still lose. Simply by the characters strength. He also just presses b to camp. The margin for error for Steve is completely lower than anyone else which is why Acola stays ahead. He plays Aegis or any other character and would be in trouble and that's the truth. If the other top defensive players in ult pick up Steve then they would destroy Acola fs.

[@gimmieyogrits]

Didn't realize how young he was until he took off his make and it makes sense as to why he plays Steve 😆. His whole roster is dlc that says everything we need to know.

[@12thversion30]

Bros just copying and pasting

[@cringewyrm]

Its his perogative if he wants to win, at the end of the day every player has the same roster in front of them. Acola is the best player in the world regardless

[@myoblivion420]

Ya he's carried by Steve, but that's how he wins. Just pick up Steve and win if it's that easy 😂 Don't work harder, work smarter.

[@firefatesgaming1855]

Eh.. wouldn't say acola has a big lead miya is on his tail.. besides that people start getting better against steve so I wouldn't be suprise if acola will start to lose more

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

People have been getting better against Steve for months, and while every other Steve player is falling off, it has barely affected Acola.

[@firefatesgaming1855]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 barely.. Acola almost lost to neo.. Heck I know this doesn't really count but gluttony, rizesue and japan best min min all took a set off him at an local. So it definitely possible if players started pushing acola harder and play allround steve better.

[@patoa3481]

​@@legrandliseurtri7495because Acola is a Steve that actually uses his knowledge unlike most other Steve's

[@fna5360]

Dabuz might be top 5 in the world rn.

[@jonahbishoppollock3229]

Definitely not with his past tournaments besides smash con. If he keeps this consistency I think he can be top 10

[@fna5360]

@@jonahbishoppollock3229 He did great at Kagaribi and he won CEO AND Combo Breaker. He's been on a huge up turn, especially during important tournaments.

[@patoa3481]

​@@fna5360I think the fact that most players still have little experience with Rosalina benefits Dabuz

[@fna5360]

@@patoa3481 Japan has plenty of Rosas though. And he still beats top NA talent that knows the mu.

[@grimxdisstracks3178]

@@fna5360now if I pull up all of his placings this year, you’ll still say he’s top 5 right?

[@Yokai_Yuri]

I feel when there are Big tournaments, the top players heavily depend on brackets to move on. So it is not lile they fully squashed the competition when they are in top 8. Acola was clearly blessed by the bracket and the fact Sparg0 was out. Sparg0 has been a hard stop for a while to Acola.

[@luismise5780]

Acola no es el rey El rey es el personaje steve que deben banearlo ya de los torneos.

[@darkhechiser8149]

mi compa el menos ardido

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

8:08 I really dislike what I've seen from Ddee's personality, so I'm hoping he continues to not show up to many events despite his skill level.

[@davyn8mccray]

Why? Ddee has a great personality

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@davyn8mccray No. He's got a bad mentality(momocon), and he's always trying to humiliate his opponents.

[@davyn8mccray]

@@legrandliseurtri7495 that's called memes

[@armakeen3576]

No one cares except you. If you look at the Twitch chat, everyone appreciates DDee

[@legrandliseurtri7495]

@@armakeen3576 I think you need to check the definition of caring. Also, where did I say everyone shares my opinion?