SMITE 2 Developer Deep Dive - Strength Vs Intelligence

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[@AHumblePear]

Jokes on you guys I've been maining int for years

[@mylegacy2543]

Lol I'm right with u...magic all the way 😂😂😂

[@bobbylong5664]

Based

[@ImEcchi]

Been inting my whole life.

[@MrTvinci]

Haha😂

[@AHumblePear]

@@ImEcchi this is the way 🙏

[@Phosypha]

Being drunk increasing Bachus' int is crazy 😭

[@SparkpawGaming]

being drunk on bacchus in sm1te already increases his magical power

[@azizayari252]

​@@SparkpawGaminghe's probably referring to the irony

[@jeffross3504]

@@azizayari252 r/whooosh

[@NychusX]

So what I'm hearing is... CRIT YMIR IS COMING BACK!!!

[@matthewbecknell664]

Yes, the thing mentioned in the only other smite 2 video is coming back.

[@Krayor]

​@matthewbecknell664 It's basically a meme now but it was sort of a thing years ago with the interaction from fail-not.

[@borionwaffles1068]

hybridization scaling making smite 2 look really juicy ngl

[@WOAHdatsalowprce]

A lot of cool builds will spawn from this, just like LoL now and LoL of the older days. New season's ONLY good change is mythic removal. Can't wait to see what Smite 2 has in store!

[@TheAKD56]

@@WOAHdatsalowprce new map (mainly for toplane) is great too.

[@abimaelreyes7134]

@@WOAHdatsalowprce lets be honest. mythics are definitely what was bleeding league of legends. probably their worst QoL change for a season ever.

[@androjdemakaveli2010]

What's mean ngl?

[@b0sslibra]

​@@androjdemakaveli2010ngl means Not Gonna Lie

[@bfrfoxtrot]

It's so good to see Bam Margera getting his stuff together.

[@LovejesusloveGod08]

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bradhanley7310]

I'm dying LMAO

[@pedromoreira1311]

I didin't know bro was a game designer🤣

[@24mahrama]

LMFAOOOO nah I love this coke t

[@Godfadda]

I feel like this is less of a deep dive and more of an exploratory snorkel, but it looks cool! Hope to hear more about the intricacies in the future!

[@TherealFroyoz]

Can't wait!!! I remember alpha testing smite back in the day and now we are coming out with smite 2. Crazy!! Much love❤❤

[@Sidorio]

My main fear with the new Strength/Intelligence changes is what it's gonna mean for building defence in particular. In Smite 1 I can look at a god by their class and I know which defences I want to prioritise depending on the team comp, either magical or physical. With hybrid gods coming into the mix I now need to memorise a lot more information. I worry that this could be a barrier to entry issue for players brand new to the game and genre. I'll reserve my final opinion until I get to try out the Alpha or Beta of course but this is the one changes for Smite 2 that I'm less excited for.

[@StormSKirusVideo]

from what its shown, the strength items seem to have red color pallets while int is blue. I feel looking at an enemies items at quick glance and seeing the color palette wouldn't make it too hard to know what damage they built into

[@tylerprime6741]

I feel like for the most part it'll add moreso just 1 extra aspect to remember. Gods who are fully/mostly str, fully/mostly int, or can hybrid. And with the latter you just build more hybrid defense items than single focused ones

[@shigekisun3922]

From what i've seen, phys and magic characters and damage types are still a thing

[@razinik]

So damage scaling off of str/int doesn't necessarily mean it deals physical/magical damage. But yes this does add some complexity into counter building

[@GenericUser860]

It is going to be a bit more difficult, but it isn't going to gatekeep new players or anything: League has this split and its the largest moba. It'll just take a little bit of learning (or you could just have a tab open and see what each character's abilities scale off of)

[@thenegusayo]

this is actually so cool, especially them explaining cernunnos

[@CasaiAgicap]

so it's physical/magical power, but you can actually mix and match it now.

[@TheElectrikCow]

The one thing that we will really need with all of these new things to keep track of is a more up front skill screen so we can more accurately see what scales where and by how much

[@TheHiddenChest]

I wonder if good ol' Khumbakharna will be a purely Strength based god in this game, I can't see any of his abilities benefiting from INT unless they added something to his yawn

[@bigsam0069]

I’m scared our boy isn’t gonna be in smite 2 for a bit, not the most popular god… my toxic trait is that he’s my most played lol

[@hardrocker8101]

He's one of the gods I feel like they have to change before putting him in smite 2

[@tylerprime6741]

​@@hardrocker8101hard agree, he's probably gonna be getting changed a good bit for smite 2

[@vinebatistak]

We need this game immediately

[@Joeyc-vd2wm]

It literally looks the same

[@HW-ow9zp]

It sucks

[@makhmutov]

Where's the rest of the stats? Agility, Fortitude, Charisma, Wisdom

[@darknubent]

Imagine the learning curve that would be required

[@FettsackmitMachete]

silly cat

[@EMO1tachi]

Bro I wanna build some Arcane

[@Morg5574]

Been wondering if everyone had the two stats but this explained it for me. I wonder if some gods will get a hard rework for Smite 2. Like Sobek for example I would love to see something different with his kit, Ares too, and my boy Fafnir. Would love to actually stay in dragon form as a stance swap and not just as a ult.

[@anders12114]

forget everything you know me : whare am i?

[@a.a7931]

I absolutely love this! Finally we won’t have a single meta build for every class but a unique build for each god.

[@XBezerkerX]

That's not what it means at all. League of legends has had this system for 10+ years and it is an absolute nightmare to balance. There won't be a unique build to any of these heroes. A meta build always emerges and everything else becomes subpar.

[@mrdhong2143]

I was so hyped when i saw this was going to be one of the changes I cant wait to play crit Ymir or full intelligence Cern its gonna be a lot of fun

[@idarkstarx6939]

I predict Tiamat builds will have int in flying mode and str in ground mode.

[@NebulaShadow_]

I need it in my life. Please give us Smite 2 ASAP

[@AceOniFlyer]

2:48 Famous Last Words. P.S. Someone call the Brutal Magilini fellas. There time to shine is coming.

[@AceOniFlyer]

Actually excited about the idea of Cern being able to magic or physical damage with his Summer form. That’s an interesting tech that allows him to still have some solid auto attacks even in a Int build.

[@ZenTradeGame]

Looks good ! Can’t wait!

[@samkennedy7221]

Its interesting we have seen a tiny window of this with Surtr's 1 ability being both magic and physical damage. I wonder if in Smite 2 if you can build Surtr to be more mage like with the new hybrid scaling, make his 1 be just a super bonk ability where the rest of his kit will be for setup to hit his 1.

[@MrCoolvonrad]

Are you going to be conveying which abilities use either int or str. Think pokemon where each move shows either psychical or special damage type

[@moi9-996]

Seems fun but newcomers experience is gonna be terrifying... I hope the auto build option is improved because damn that's a lot of info to take in.

[@Lumintorious]

The change is amazing, but that Cernunnos 2 duality (strength for damage, but also int for damage, but on a different instance of damage) feels iffy.

[@Garret007]

Sounds good

[@Werafre]

Go guys! Can't wait for release

[@Sixfingeredmage]

This is cool! I worry though that itll lead to some characters only having 2 abilities in practice as your others scale with a different stat (and therefore get left behind if they dont scale as well). Interested to see if/how they address that

[@dogwalker4000]

Cern bramble blast doing both types is insane, I love it!

[@HW-ow9zp]

So stupid and unnecessary

[@rogelioalonzo2911]

Cant wait

[@kenw.1520]

This might be good for balancing characters like Freya. I like how she plays in SMITE, but I know that she's been a problem for years. But if you build her separately with Str vs Int, maybe you can focus on her melee hits or her magical projectiles, but not both at the same time; bringing her to a more balanced state without a major rework.

[@HW-ow9zp]

Sounds like a great way to somehow make freya worse, and I've seen a her made worse many times now

[@AmericanIlluminati]

I love it, I'm glad you guys listened to the feedback in smite 1 & seem to be implementing that into smite 2. Making every character feel unique & allowing them to have multiple viable builds is SOOOOO healthy for the game. It, HOPEFULLY, will take away the Meta build concept. It adds some more dynamics to the game as well. Now counter picking is a little less effective, because it's not just who you're against, but how they build their character. So refreshing.

[@danielhertz1984]

this will be a balance hell like League in less than a year I promise

[@AmericanIlluminati]

@@danielhertz1984 Smite 1 is already balance hell. Tweaking an item or a character can have a ripple effect because of the way their kit synergizes with items. Then, you have a Meta around that 1 singular Character/item, or maybe a handful that do that same one thing. That's how we got the Mage Solo meta. This is so much more viable. Because, each issue can be addressed individually. Instead of i.e.: "Hunters are abusing Manikins so we nerf manikins, but now AA jungs are no longer viable."

[@danielhertz1984]

@@AmericanIlluminati yeah but now you have to add 100 more interections for each scaling of int or physical, there's a reason why lol can't balance the ap/ad scalings, the only time smite 1 is meta defined it's when: 1. Defense items are broken and it will be the same system; 2. Item effects, like dirty buble, golden katana or 500 gold pot or 3. Whole class buffs, like last season class stats progression and mage gaining power for free while others classes gain useless stats. 90% of Smite metas are more about gods in their numbers being overtune on their kits rather than strong item, but with this system it could easily mess both since it's another layer of complexity, that's why some champs in lol are forgotten forever like Shen, who needed a full petition to buff him, since some items almost don't work with his kits compared to the rest

[@AmericanIlluminati]

@@danielhertz1984 What are you talking about mate? There is constantly an item meta every season/patch. Sometimes it's a tank meta, sometimes it's a crit meta, sometimes it's mage solo, hunter mid, dirty bubble/tank mid mage(Warlocks staff), Tahuti's rush, book of thoth, animosity etc. etc. On TOP OF THAT, you have poorly balanced characters. League has been the longest running & most successful MOBA period. They have issues with their balances, but nowhere near what smite has dealt with. The smite community has adjusted to bad balance. That's no shame on HiRez. Sometimes they goof, but sometimes they've just been limited by their engine. Thus, we have Smite 2.

[@danielhertz1984]

@@AmericanIlluminati nah man league balance is way worse this is revisionism, not only that item metas are rare, we do have meta lane builds (like always has in any moba) but not meta defining item by a long time, dirty bubble/tank meta/golden bow were years ago, hunters/assasin mid only happened by reducing all the damage stat items in the game, mage solo/tank were for the classes stat progression on last season with mages gaining free power but nothing like five gods bulding the same items

[@soraprince5336]

the Cernunnos split on his bramble ability MAKES SENSE however, I think having to choose which to do as a beginner "single targert or farm based" for the ability as ponpon said... could be confusing and harder to know when and which items to build (the item order, and which specific items themselves)

[@mathmatics8034]

LOOKS GREAT

[@kolt9051]

the chaac heal balancing issue being solved is a great example. Very excited to see how much else it is implemented.

[@HW-ow9zp]

"solved" roflmao this must be your time interacting with this company

[@user-uv3il6gf2s]

Full Int Ishtar would be a thing, right? But I don't get it. So when you attack with an elemental skill, it's int, but when you use an actual weapon it's stg? In that case, what happens to gods that do both, like Morrigan?

[@NicodemusMountainMan]

My only concern is it may get confusing which gods ability's scale to what. Doesn't Anhur's spear do int scaling when you knock them back? Or is it really just spears have a physical vibe and barbels have a int vibe?

[@gwrm5183]

If it looks like magic it’ll have some int scaling. Anhur throws a spear so it’s just strength. Chacc throws an axe with lightning so it’s strength and int. Kuku tornado is just int since it’s just magic

[@NicodemusMountainMan]

@@gwrm5183 what about Geb smashing the earth and knocking people up. Guarantee that will have int scaling even though there is no reason it logically should.

[@InfiniteRealMusic]

When is the release date? I can't wait to play it

[@TriFekt]

Good idea for Smite 2, I like it

[@kiidrecklzz]

i like the transparent loki invis more. also make walking into the bush more noticeable that the player is out of vision. people will not know trust me

[@JacobMichael75]

WHEN?!

[@lukefantini9770]

I dont see how this really makes any difference, like sure abilities scale more depending on the gods ability/auto attacks. But hunters are still gonna want strength because their AA's will always do more dps than abilities with cooldowns. Mages will still want ability damage/int etc. Just seems like a way to introduce some tiny new items to builds like maybe Cern wants 1 int item at the end instead of AA damage.

[@muffin70507]

When will we find out if we got into the alpha?

[@havocxmosquito2839]

I dont know if im just seeing it wrong, but it doesnt look like you have 2 different colors for damage type, i hope this is planned to change because both phys and mag being orange doesnt sit right x3

[@OtherWorldm]

Let me inn!!!!

[@Isoldemain]

where is it going to be released?

[@Zanroff]

They need to add an icon telling me if I'm looking at smite 1 or 2 footage. I didn't realize 0:51 was from smite 1 until the 3rd time watching it.

[@Zanroff]

@@HighLanderPonyYT Well, you see, I'm stupid and didn't notice because I was looking at chaac's healing numbers.

[@TobyWilliams1066]

I love this, I can't wait to try it out. I don't love the naming convention: STR makes sense, sure. But INT? Why is Bacchus burping an intelligence thing? How does turning someone into a pig rely on intelligence? I'd love to see this naming convention looked at by your narrative design team: even switching it to Magic, or Mythos, etc.

[@darthbingus1929]

keep meowing

[@HW-ow9zp]

They don't innovate at Hirez. Just imitate. If other people aren't calling it that stuff, they will not unfortunately.

[@runeserpent1449]

Even if the game is broken and unbalanced on launch should be a blast total blast trying everything out, so excited! Also riot is adding vanguard to base lol so def looking for a new game to take up my time. (idk much about vanguard but makes me feel sus so ain’t dealing with it)

[@abelgonzalez158]

I can't wait gdi 🎉❤

[@CadiaStillStands]

So this is what a part 2 to a league copy?

[@Vivi-te5qj]

This is the change I'm most apprehensive about. If I'm being completely honest, I don't trust them to ever have this split balanced, and with Cernnunos as an example, let's get real, nobody is ever going to build outside what are the best hunter items. His bramble patch does some more damage per tick? Cute his autos do significantly less than the enemy hunter. Every 80 seconds or so he has a big hit in his ult? Hope you hit enough enemies for that to be meaningful or you have the damage to finish them off.

[@Favdere]

People are reading into this too much. Intelligence will just scale certain parts of the kit. Ymir 3 is a physical ability now but it’s stun time probably scales off intelligence. Its damage scales off strength. At least that’s what it sounds like they’re saying

[@whatdothlife4660]

Awesome... awesome to the max.

[@GunShark0]

Hype!

[@Aphoticaffinity_]

So crazy to see the difference in comments from Instagram vs KZbin.

[@HW-ow9zp]

IG dck riding? Game will suck for a while I'm curious what the total player count drop with end up as

[@farckasxopct4014]

Sounds cool but most likely DPS numbers will decide. At tournaments like SPL all hunters, with rare exceptions, build the same items. Yes, I also liked Ymir jungle with fatalis back in my days, but tbh, it was never really effective. And it won't

[@razinik]

Yes and no. Hunters had less item access than they will now, and it'll vary more than it used to kit to kit. Some hunters will be able to make use of items that others won't have any interaction with, which could see their optimal dps build requiring some different items

[@HappySlime716]

After 10 years you discover hybrid characters, lol.

[@HW-ow9zp]

Classic hirez to bring back something from smite 1 beta and talk about it like it's revolutionary

[@Lee-bp8sp]

Wow a re skin of an old game? Amazing

[@Angelfyre.]

As a Sol enthusiast, Ints gonna be big

[@Picaviel]

Wait wait wait. What about Dexterity stat?

[@oopsy444]

thats kinda confusing. they better have this in descriptions clearly and concisely. it could be very good or very bad depending on how its explained and executed

[@Venkullix]

finally dark souls in my moba

[@kraiden3]

Playing an ability based jungle with almost 0 in hand damage and lots of pen, sounds good to me

[@WulfrumLP]

I will be the best wizard set of them all, I will blast dudes with my wizard staff

[@trouty1371]

Please for the love of god, DUMP some cash into advertising in Australia. Smite died here and I can sit it queue for 3 days. Get the Aussies on board! So keen on this.

[@Yuchub33]

So it's like pokemon? Any character can have special and physical attacks

[@PurposeOverPleasure]

BRING BACK JOSH MALMQUIST!!

[@eXe.Osiris]

If I'm permabanned from smite can I play smite 2

[@trainslime189]

Bring back the old Persephone!!

[@TheZezaiment]

It's breathtaking how much you want to be like Dota2. What amazes me, is that Dota2 players would NOT abandon Dota2. So, instead of trying to attract new players from other games, you're just repeating fate of HoN (Heroes of Newerth) and Paragon, both were trying to compete with Dota2 and both DIED. Long live Smite2, I wish you better management, than you have now.

[@LonewolfXIII]

Int Fenrir?

[@WingXCustom]

Jokes on you! INT is my dump stat, because I'm kinda dumb.

[@Zepher-1023]

Move to central servers please! 🙏

[@oopsy444]

how are brambles magical? they literally just cut and stick into into you.

[@ryankenyon2160]

Pls make aphro's heal scale again so she doesnt get to build full tank and still heal herself and allies like crazy!! It completely goes against how healers work in like every other game -.-

[@GigaLandShark]

why not do it like dota? strength, int, AND agility

[@warrior728]

Give us Nemesis into smite 2 please

[@darknubent]

If every God's broken then no God is broken

[@RedDragonFlayer]

So doesnt this just make physical healers like guan yu, chacc, cupid just worse because you want to build strength to do dmg not int While magical healers get both benfit and no downside? If so bad change

[@wolver53]

I hope mage Loki is fun.

[@leoap87]

i loik smoit

[@Ivaylodr5]

Crit Int Hunters huh?? Interesting Idea. *HMMMM FREYAAA?*

[@TheSmiles]

Ima take some PTO once the alpha drop 😂

[@MonsDerrMan]

When my teammates make bad decisions now I can tell them to build more intelligence muahahahaha!

[@gojira1337]

let him cook

[@kajnake5905]

So instead of having a clear cut path to deal damage you now get 2 because your character has some of your damage on a different stat line...

[@3lietechhack646]

Oh no! I need to use my brain now, instead of blindly copy pasting the same build I've been doing for years! How can I possibly do this?

[@danielhertz1984]

​@@3lietechhack646 that's how player retention goes down tho

[@3lietechhack646]

@@danielhertz1984 Why? Mobas aren't meant to be played like COD. You need to think, counter build, strategize, etc... That's what makes mobas fun, and what sets them apart from other genres. And you still have the autobuilder/recommended builds, so you don't need to think all that much if you don't want to.

[@danielhertz1984]

@@3lietechhack646 yeah but one difference between normal mobas and 3rd person mobas are the pace, 90% of new players complain about being too overwhelmed by the gameplay, even with a more simple system that we have today, new players still suffer by passing a good chunk in base deciding what to build, 3rd person mobas suffer a lot with this problem, that's why a lot of them get shut down, this one you need to not only have the attention of a fps because skills shots matter a lot more than compared to League with point and click damage skills that can one shot you, gank awareness on the map is a lot harder, changing the item system you are adding another layer of complexity to a already overwhelming new type of gameplay, sure the auto-builder is a "fix" but a auto-builder in a moba put you in a bad place against others who know how to build and counter, and get one of the most essencial part in a moba game that is strategy adding frustration to the mix.

[@jeremy00188]

the graphics look better on the 1 😨

[@balanbharghavannagaraju4675]

Please add the following Hindu Gods or Members of Dharmic Pantheon in Smite 2 with great graphics, attacks and Aesthetics. 1. Lord Kalki 2. Lord Buddha 3. Lord Vishnu 4. Lord Parshuram 5. Lord Dattatreya 6. Lord Hayagreeva 7. Lord Hanuman 8. Lord Veerabhadra 9. Lord Piplada 10. Lord Sharabha 11. Kaala Bhairava 12. Devi Durga 13. Devi Aadi Parashakthi 14. Devi Tripurasundari 15. Devi Mahamaya 16. Devi Ambabai 17. Matha Vaishnodevi 18. Lord Kartikeya 19. Bali Chakravarthy 20. Garuda 21. Sheshnaag 22. Nandi 23. Kalipurush 24. Devi Mohini 25. Devi Kaushiki 26. Suryadeva 27. Chandradeva 28. Shanideva 29. Mangaldeva 30. Buddhadev 31. Devguru Brihaspathi 32. Asurguru Shukracharya 33. Raahu 34. Kethu 35. Ahiravana 36. Meghanaad 37. Boddhidharma 38. Lord Narasimha 39. Lord Varaha 40. Sahastrabahu 41. Ashwathama 42. Mahamahim Bhishma 43. Lord Krishna 44. Ghatothkach

[@Kaeoooo]

I just want it to be like league, where god archetypes don’t mean anything. “Tanks” should be able to kill and compete if building dmg and vice versa

[@Kaeoooo]

@@HighLanderPonyYT rammus exists

[@kratosgamerization4907]

so basciallly when a god does somethign very physical its STR vs somemthing magical its...INT

[@Pau-hl1zg]

Isn't this just league's building system?

[@MrTvinci]

Can I get my Alpha key, please? Or can I get yours? Please?

[@lizardjoe4224]

Isnt this how league works?

[@kapenike]

Im hyypeee

[@meoffrey]

smite different

[@Zanroff]

This is going to be a wild game "Guys, is the hunter doing magical or physical damage this time?"

[@xMetixYT]

It's not that wild you just press tab and check their items. Kai'Sa is a marksman (hunter) in League that can do both magic and physical builds and it's not that complicated to follow. Makes her a great pick to fill in most team comps if you like playing her.

[@Zanroff]

@@xMetixYT What's wild about it is having to relearn the game. I don't know anything about league. It's going to take time to learn how int will effect individual abilities on traditionally physical gods. Cernunnos is the good example in the video. Int will make his basics do some magical, that won't be true for every hunter.