Smith and Wesson model 13…..and some history (FBI)

[@roycohuttabrown]

I think the story that you mention (at 19:26) is true. The guns were destroyed after they were turned in. Very sad indeed. (I was issued the 13-3 round butt, 3" barrel in 1987 and carried it for a few years. Great revolver.)

[@thedailydefender1408]

Yes I’m afraid so and I’ve had other comments on other federal issued firearms that they are normally destroyed. Very sad and really a complete waste of tax payer dollars as well IMO.

[@HGates-hl4eq]

FBI requested a model 13 3inch barrel, round butt. They used the FBI LOAD which others have commented on. If you want to see it in the movies THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Starling used it to take out Buffalo Bill. Again, love gun history. Great vid.👍.

[@NorthwoodsShooter]

Excellent video! I always enjoy your videos. The Model 13 is a fine revolver, one that often is overlooked by folks in general. I do like adding the Tyler T-Grips on these particular type of grips. The T-Grips make the grips sit better in the hand for extended range sessions.

[@thedailydefender1408]

Hey thanks for the comment glad you like the channel. I keep meaning to do something with a grip adapter and I never seem to get around to it or I grab a set of rubber pachmayr and just go that route. Certainly not the most attractive things but functionally very good. Hope to get a 681 vid up next.

[@aaronhill8146]

Beautiful revolver! Thanks for sharing

[@thedailydefender1408]

Thanks, the model 13 is great revolver from smith.

[@dextertalamera]

​@@thedailydefender1408could it still be safe? my revovel no more spring if im going to loadndownward the ball will fall then im going to use it for practice?

[@QD85]

I stumbled across a 13-2 3” from a fella a few years ago and picked it up for $535. It’s hands down the best shooting 357 I have ever had. I looked for one for a long time and finally found this one and had to have it.

[@thedailydefender1408]

Oh wow yeah 3” 13 is very cool. I don’t think I’ve actually seen a 3” m13, other 3” models but not a 13.

[@QD85]

@@thedailydefender1408 to my knowledge not many of the 13-2 3” guns made it into the public, they were mainly FBI guns from my understanding, but I’m a guy and we have track records for being wrong 🤣

[@thedailydefender1408]

No you’re right…and I believe it’s been said before many of the FBI guns that were turned back in were then destroyed. Thus making the 3” m13 w round butt pretty sought after. @@QD85

[@fortyofforty5257]

I've got one of the Model 13s with the 3" barrel and round butt. I had the "Ayoob" package done on it many years ago (mid-1980s), and Birdsong Black T treatment. Very nice setup.

[@thedailydefender1408]

Thanks for the comment, what was the”Ayoob” pkg back then?

[@fortyofforty5257]

@@thedailydefender1408 3" barrel ported, action job, hammer bobbed, and converted to DAO. Don't remember if there was anything else. Shot it last week out of nostalgia. It's a solidly made revolver.

[@thedailydefender1408]

@@fortyofforty5257 thanks!

[@RBG-tr9ce]

I just picked up a 13-3 in nickel, 3 inch barrel, round butt, I love it. My problem is I have so many different models that I love I have a hard time on deciding which on I will carry on any particular day.

[@ralphholiman7401]

I started the FBI Academy in May, 1988 and was issued a 3 inch Smith and Wesson Model 13. That was the general issue weapon until they started issuing the 1076's (for a short time) in 1991. The 13 was a good gun. Mine was really accurate. It came with crappy wooden grips and a metal spacer on the grip to fill it out. But, I got the FBI armorer to put rubber Pachmyr grips on mine before I left the academy. Edited to say, and I had one of those crappy holsters issued to me. I got rid of it as soon as I graduated and bought a Bianchi for it.

[@thedailydefender1408]

Wow thanks for the great comment! I’m always a bit surprised S&W stuck with those magna stocks as they knew most people didn’t like them and added the Tyler grip adapter or went to a rubber grip. What was your experience like with the 1076 and what did you move to after that?

[@ralphholiman7401]

@@thedailydefender1408 , I never got a 1076 (mostly only new agents got them) I transferred over to the DEA in 1991, and was issued a Glock 17. The 1076's were really accurate, but they suffered from limp wrist jamming really bad for shooters with weak grips. The FBI ended up taking the 1076's up and issuing Sig P228's (off a DEA contract, as the DEA was going back and forth between P228's and G17's for new agent classes at the time.)

[@thedailydefender1408]

@@ralphholiman7401 thanks, I too had read agents struggled with the 1076 and then they actually had trouble with the firearms themselves (can’t recall if that was a frame or slide cracking issue now). I found it interesting that S&W was running the 1076 program for the FBI at the same time they were running the.40S&W and the 4006 and released both at the same time. I guess the Sig was too simple to move over to or didn’t want or want to wait for the 4006. Great firearm the 228/229.

[@frankbutta9344]

I own many S&W revolvers, but stumbled onto a Model 13-2 last Fall. It was in pristine condition, and had the original box and papers. My wife loves shooting it, and she’s very accurate with it. FBI agent Mireles was armed with a S&W Model 686 six shot revolver, and used it to deliver the death blows to both Matix and Platt. Thanks for Sharing!

[@thedailydefender1408]

Thanks for the comment Frank, always a treat when you find one like that with box and papers! The 13 is a very nice firearm and very enjoyable to shoot I agree. If your a revolver guy, which sounds like you are, some of those Smiths, especially in that say 50s to 80s range with what seems like a sweet spot in the 70s, are just amazing. Thanks for tuning into the channel and I’ll be doing some more revolver vids over the next 5 weeks.

[@frankbutta9344]

@@thedailydefender1408 I’ll be looking forward to ALL of your new videos. I’m still working through what you’ve already done. 👍👍👍👍

[@thedailydefender1408]

@@frankbutta9344 thanks Frank we’ll be looking for more comments! My next one is going to be on Smith snub nose revolvers as I think they are just a hoot and another major piece of S&W history which is also cool.

[@kapokwong]

This model is now used by the Hong Kong police force. This model is my favorite , I have a replica of this model 10.Thanks for your video. ~ 😅

[@InfBerBat143]

Now?

[@MDformernavalperson]

I believe an early contract for the model 13 was from the NY State Police. A colleague of mine has a brother who was in the NYSP and carried a model 13. I was told that the times he had to use it, it did the job.

[@thedailydefender1408]

Thanks for the comment, I believe you are correct, I too recall a contract with the M13 for the NYSP. From what I see noted, the M13 is a very popular revolver for both LEO and civilian use. I’d fall into that camp as well.

[@robertsr.249]

I have a 13-1 ' pinned and recessed , there was not a 13 no dash , ive had mine for 20+ years , original box , papers , handled very little and factory test fired only , some of these older Smiths have gotten pricey , your reporting is exceptional

[@thedailydefender1408]

Thank you for the comment, always nice to have the original box and papers. Your also right about the start point at a 13-1 and I’m not sure of the reasoning/ significance of that…it’s very closely a lined w/ the M10 and I guess there was even a version of the M10 in .357 so perhaps smith simply felt the Eng work had already been done and started w the -1 but that is a very good point that I missed.

[@robertsr.249]

@@thedailydefender1408 Thanks for the reply ,keep up the good work ,To new shooters your material is gold

[@nancymontplaisir3467]

That's a great gun always a good fit in the hand

[@thedailydefender1408]

It’s a very nice revolver, a little more wear externally than I prefer on it but the trigger is excellent and very nicely balanced even with the heavy barrel. Just feels solid when putting it on target.

[@rayhunter-o3w]

The FBI model came with a 3" bbl and a round butt. There's also a Model 65 that came in this configuration. I keep an eye open for the Magna grips that fit these revolvers.

[@thedailydefender1408]

Yep kind of the holy grail IMO for the M13 haven’t seen one in person and GB prices seem to be north of a grand for one in that configuration.

[@TomRiddle-ww5on]

I agree , the mid 60s --late 80s are the "best" s&w made. I've HAD a few hand ejector ,pre k22,and 1917s that were nice but actions weren't as smooth .

[@thedailydefender1408]

Thanks, yep something almost magical about that time frame, I’m sure it has more to do with the type of machinery being used and the hand fitting parts more than anything else during that period but it comes together to produce a pretty amazing product. Having said all of that I had a 27-10 4” I think it was that seemed very well made and the trigger was excellent.

[@theinfidel6301]

The stocks should be serial numbered to the gun , that will let you know if they are replacement stocks or original to the gun; most officers in my area would replace the factory stocks with larger more manageable recoil reduction grips, and over time the original stocks would be sold, given away or just lost

[@thedailydefender1408]

Yep I agree on the matching numbers, to your point it seems few actually match. It was all too common, by all types of owners it seems, to change them out. I did it on several in the 90s I’m afraid to say and the smith I was issued as a sidearm had rubber grips straight away.

[@earlreed2623]

I got lucky and my mother in law who was a guard at a nuclear facility in TX gave me her old service revolver. She had that job in the early 70's. I checked the model number and it has the 13-1 stamped over the 10-6. From what I can tell it only has a 5 digit serial number which seems strange to me. 33226

[@thedailydefender1408]

Hey that’s a neat story, I’ve heard of over stamps before but can’t specifically recall the reasons, I can only assume those frames were initially earmarked for the M10 and then they were needed for the government contract and restamped. Also unique w the s/n.

[@davebowrin7361]

Seriously for 1st time hand gun guyers the old School revolvers are worth looking for/at as home defense guns. 👌 FYI don't discount them out. Just because it's the latest and greatest doesn't mean it won't do the job. Meaning protect you and your family 👪 ❤.

[@thedailydefender1408]

Agree with your point that a revolver is still a viable self defense tool especially for home defense. Generally I think the consensus is that one of the smaller j frame revolvers isn’t the best for 1st time buyers. Certainly a nice 4” K frame could be a viable option. Again all depending on overall needs and skill levels.

[@craigbenz4835]

I have revolvers with that grip, and I just can't shoot that small grip well.

[@thedailydefender1408]

Thanks for the comment , a lot of people seem to agree. It was very common to add the grip adapters to both the j and k frames. It seems a lot of folks over the years ditched the standard stocks and a lot of rubber grips were used, in fact I guess it was late 80s /90s smith started offering rubber grips on some models. I think most of the current j frames all have rubber grips. Nowhere as pretty as wood but considerably more functional. I will say taking off the standard magna stocks and going with a target stock makes a big difference for me, just did that on a 65 4”.

[@kylewood8327]

Put some Tyler T grips or BK grips on the gun, makes a world of difference.

[@thedailydefender1408]

@@kylewood8327 funny you say that, just got one for a j frame and need to get one for my k frame.

[@kylewood8327]

@@thedailydefender1408 I love them, gives you excellent grip coverage and you get to keep those original beautiful wood grips on the gun.

[@thedailydefender1408]

@@kylewood8327 that’s exactly what I’m hoping for , looks like the FBI set up just about every revolver that way.

[@mr.rogers5586]

You know they make a program that will the fuzzy dot that covers your face.

[@thus6864]

I really enjoyed this video...,...but the drawn out "and" as a connector word is taking me out of it. But good knowledge.

[@guaporeturns9472]

😭

[@guaporeturns9472]

19 and 13 have different frames you say? 🤔

[@thedailydefender1408]

If I did that was an error, both k frames of course.

[@guaporeturns9472]

@@thedailydefender1408 just checking.. almost had to reevaluate my entire existence

[@antoninolatorre8355]

hi, nobody !!! why do you hide your face ...?!? 🤔😁😂🤣

[@theguyinmaine]

I have a 13? How can you tell a 13-1 from a 13-2? Did all 13-1's have 13-1 stamped on them? My serial number is right in the change years. 76/77

[@thedailydefender1408]

Model stamp should be on the inside of the frame when you open the cylinder, 13, 13-1 , 13-2, etc….

[@theguyinmaine]

@@thedailydefender1408 Thanks very much, it's a 13-1. Beautiful condition. Took it in a trade, guess I did good. Thanks again.

[@calvinhandley2373]

If it’s stamped 13-1, it’s a 13-1. If it’s stamped 13-2, it’s a 13-2. The early NYSP contract guns were marked 10-6. Some were over stamped 13-1 over the 10-6 marking. There was no 13”no dash”

[@kylewood8327]

You must work for an anti 2nd amendment company and don’t want to get fired! Sad, feel for ya! The 13 version you want is the one with a 2 1/2 or 3 inch barrels, can’t remember which they got. Thats the one that FBI agents mostly had. This one is nice too.

[@stevenodell4323]

Please lose the blurred face. It's just silly.

[@Chicote1978]

In spanish please

[@doug595959]

whats with the blurred face . you got over due library books

[@dancingclown0006]

Why you're covering your face Are you insecure😅

[@guaporeturns9472]

Can’t get behind a dude than feels the need to blur his face.

[@toddguillory692]

Cop.

[@guaporeturns9472]

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