𝗞𝗶𝗮𝗿𝗮 𝗳𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝗳𝗮𝗰𝘁𝘀 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝗛𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗹𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗚𝗲𝗻 𝟰 𝗶𝗻 𝗛𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗖𝘂𝗿𝗲【Hololive EN】

[@MrMarnel]

Yeah I've never heard of anyone say "holoForce" but apparently the name exists.

[@regnier-the_lolilord]

I believe it was only at the Beginning from Jp4

[@Gh4nya]

the name exists since the very start. The reason why they rarely use it is because there are no gen 4 group collabs since coco left outside of the occasional kanaluna. gen 4 is the most fragmented generation in all of hololive.

[@brunop.8745]

​@@Gh4nyacoco really was the glue that held it all together

[@yezki8]

​@@Gh4nya they claim its because towa's sleeping schedule.

[@Im_heree]

Their last 2 collab as gen4 was 01 July 2021 Coco’s Graduation 23 December 2021 Mario Kart It’s been almost 3 years since their last collab together 😅 Thankfully ( HOPEFULLY ) I believe that they will come together to perform for their 5th anniversary live around Dec-Jan 🙏 I remember seeing a clip where Gen4 members were asked when will their next collab be and it was said that since the 4 of them have rather different preferences and stuff when it comes to streaming they don’t really have much options when it comes to collab. That’s why it’s more of 2 members eg KanaLuna n TowaWatame when there’s any collab. Apparently one of the members says that Gen4 is actually like a bonded family Where you don’t need to collab/interact with one another constantly but are still close to each other even after years of not interacting ❤

[@falsehero2001]

Kiara: Last pull. Gimme! Pull: Giri giri warukunai Watame.

[@morrischen5777]

Watame wa waruku nai yone~~~

[@nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978]

holoforce: the gorilla angel, the immortal sheep, the dragon, the devil, and the 0-year old with 1000 years of qualification

[@fusionxtras]

Luna being 0 yo with tons of exp will never not be funny to me

[@ShadowdaHedgie11]

@@fusionxtras I mean, if you could grind out stuff while you're in the womb, wouldn't you?

[@KL-iu9tk]

seems right to me

[@GuyWithAnAmazingHat]

Luna is the biggest gap moe in Hololive lol, she appears to be cute but does the most badass stuff. We know she can code COBOL, the programming equivalent of ancient hieroglyphics, we know she rides a Harley, she's great at all sorts of old school games, MH and Fromsoft. But then she is also an alcoholic, getting drunk to overcome her fear of horror games. And then she has released her second oppai mousepad lol And now, we learn that she has been going to the gym and is no longer a coughing baby, but becoming an actual warrior princess

[@haineko1101]

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHat You're going to hate to hear this, but... Airplane guidance systems use COBOL.

[@IshimurA99]

Coco can still make people laugh and excited even though she is no longer here, as expected from a legendary idol

[@shiroamakusa8075]

For a second I read it as "CHoco" and was afraid there had been a graduation I missed.

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Without her we wouldn't have EN o7

[@themadr]

@@USSAnimeNCC- Not to be a dick but yes we would, literally, theres tweets made like months before her debut with Haachama introducing Hololive to EN, she debuted after EN 1 was already selected. I dont know why people say this like she was the one creating it or asked the CEO of the new company she went in to start auditions before she even debuted.

[@Ausdrake]

​@@themadr yeah, Coco did a lot, tons even, but people have put her accomplishments on an almost mythical pedestal that I'm not sure even she would be comfortable with. Some would claim she was responsible for Hololive's very existence if the times aligned, many already think she's basically solely responsible for Holo's popularity abroad.

[@Cowslippoetry]

Funny how some gen names stick straightaway and others become so obscure even the talents can't remember them.

[@nagato2240]

Advent is the one sticks the most I feel.

[@CrowitzerTheHoloFan]

​@@nagato2240 because EN was the start where Hololive mbers start focusing calling the talents by group name. Before: "hi, this is (insert talent name) of (insert generation number) group of (insert group name)!" After: "Hi! This is (insert group name)'s (insert talent name) from Hololive/EN/ID/Dev_Ise!" The group's name became more memorable this way. NePoLaBo, HoloX, HoloMyth, Council (Pre-Promise), Holoro, etc

[@Fishman465]

To be fair, Gens 0, 1 and 2 don't have names

[@zkace]

@@Fishman465 Gen 2 has a name HoloExodia /j

[@m.farizakbarhutasuhut3074]

​@@Fishman465Yeah they start with Fantasy

[@amcursed]

I actually forgot about that. I knew they're called HoloForce but keep forgetting about it because it's rarely brought up.

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

Yeah the generational branding still wasn't so strong back then. After Gamers and Fantasy, it kind of faded out in JP until HoloX. Towa and Kanata are kind of a themed subunit in gen 4 as well. Devil and angel, Infinity (永遠 - can be read as Eien or Towa) and Beyond (Kanata - beyond, the other side). Watame's "sht connection" rap managed to connect their whole gen with some awesome lyrics though: KOKO kara TOWA no KANATA he tomaRUNA - From here on, don't stop until the other side of infinity (...) WATAshiME to hiroatsume -Collect (those dreams) with me

[@HypnosSD]

1:38 having Coco on the game even if she's no longer on Hololive is really awesome 😊😊

[@jomujomu7513]

Yeah, all alums and Mel are there. Not that I think Kay(the dev) would remove members already in the game on an update anyway.

[@CardsAndComputer]

@@jomujomu7513 Not all of them. Gen 3 is missing a certain yandere.

[@baebaeschoccymilk]

​@@CardsAndComputer considering the tons of drama around her especially the last one, kay probably would better to not add her in game to avoid any problems

[@Phantomcrustacean]

@@CardsAndComputer Well, she didn’t exactly make herself welcoming with everything she’s done, i doubt cover would want her in there anyway

[@lexnyx_]

​@@CardsAndComputer yea... Bad history would do that for ya

[@nodnyl10]

Fun Fact. In Rockman X5 / Megaman X5, if you choose X, you'll get the previous Armor from Rockman X4 as a starting armor. In the selection screen, you'll notice it is spelled or called FOURTH ARMOR. This can be read as FOURTH (which is the 4th one since it's Rockman X4 armor), or FORCE ARMOR (which is actually spelled the same way as FOURTH). Many speculated it is the true name of the armor. In this case, HoloFourth, if we're going to spell it properly in JP, is going to be ready as HoloFosu (which can also be read Holo Force / Fourth).

[@juniorthelivinglegend7904]

1:36 Release her inner Kiryu Coco

[@Angel-ek4kl]

"what could the name for the 4th generation be?" "Hmmm idk, I don't wanna force it, you know..." "..." "Say that again..."

[@赤ゲキ]

Dun dun dun… 🎵 Dun dun dun… 🎵 🦕 🦖

[@retokazene]

Well fourth and force sounds similar for japanese

[@IshimurA99]

HoloForce is such a cool name, I sometimes wonder why so few people remember it

[@flyingoctopus4304]

I think it's because gen 4 rarely collab with eachother so it never comes up.

[@Ucj334esd]

Only saw it on reddit when someone had shared the talents lore on the official website.

[@wakamoon1910]

because while its simple enough to remember which gen each of them are from, referring to them as a "whole" gen since they've not gotten together as a group since coco left.

[@litlsteps8486]

they rarely collab as a group even back when Coco was active so it was rarely brought up. Coco & Kanatan were mostly the ones you'd see collabing, Towa distanced herself because of two incidents and Luna on her early days had to deal with the haters & toxic fans that followed her from her old persona. Watame is just Watame, same ol' midnight lurker sheep from back then up to this day.

[@Exilum]

I was a huge Coco fan yet I completely forgot. All I remember is yonkisei.

[@broadbandislife]

2:23 _girigiri warukunai Watame yo~_ 🐏

[@gabrielfurtado2171]

The whole thing with HoloForce reminded me of Kamen Rider Fourze actually, while i know that its called that due to 4, but its probably for the same reason as HoloForce, so it can be read as Force too probably.

[@ES21007]

Nah, Fourze was for Kamen Rider's fortieth anniversary, so it's short for Four-Zero.

[@gabrielfurtado2171]

@ES21007 oh thanks for thr clarification

[@kev1nno]

I was looking through the game's credits before I started playing the update, and saw "Hololive Force" and went "WTF is a Hololive Force?" ◑﹏◐ So yeah... Relatable

[@SukacitaYeremia]

This was one of the cutest clips of holos I've clicked on and watched in a long time

[@ws.hicks0214]

That makes Kanata the most fitting of the Gen?

[@TheSlammurai]

Because of the Fourth Wall?

[@ws.hicks0214]

@@TheSlammurai I meant her grip strength, but that also works, lol.

[@TheSlammurai]

@@ws.hicks0214 I know what you meant. XD

[@hellothere9167]

​@@ws.hicks0214which grip strength (⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠)

[@Kagezawa]

Becouse she kawaii gori... I mean kawai loli!

[@PO-xk3qd]

Well, firstly they didn't introduce themselves witrh that name and really collab that much when coco still here. Only one after coco grad and none since. So its very much forgotten

[@Flugmorph]

that coco impression was spot on!

[@cooper6192]

I only know them as "Yonkisei" and I was there when they debuted

[@asianpersuasion4901]

yonkgorosei

[@Yenrei]

To be fair, that's just how they introduce themselves on stream. Compare that to Fantasy mems who introduce themselves the same way but have nonetheless also established themselves as a named gen, still do group events, still sell group merch, etc. The two nomenclatures are entirely separate and mostly the responsibility of its members. That isn't to say Force mems have been lax with their branding, but when's the last time they have done something big together since Coco left? It's just not an easy thing to pick back up. Like, who among them will be the first to suggest that they assemble without Coco at some event and proudly declare that they are Force? There are ways to do it, but none of them are all that smooth or easy. You can already see the same thing happening in Myth. Hell, Kiara herself verbally acknowledged it. Fantasy is an exception because they didn't downsize on good terms. Also between the various reasons for radio silence and the not all living in Japan, it's still logistically difficult to even host a big Myth event, even if they wanted to try without Ame for the first time. Force is in a similar boat.

[@khoonkitlim5963]

1:32 Somewhere in the distant universe Legendary Dragon's proud noises in the background.

[@folderrr]

I can't be the only one who thought it was spelled holo4th. Man, I love katakana.

[@Varler_]

Man, the Coco impression brought me back! She got me into vtubers. I wish she was still around to collab with the new members!

[@afikkusan]

Holyshiittt Wawa impression of Pekora is flawless! I thought you layered Pekora voice into the clip!

[@RadStylezz]

i hope im not the only one who noticed Kiara play with Nanoras NAAAA with the intro of 4BLOOD by KIRA

[@tmplblck]

Wawa blesses us with a GMMF.

[@AzureHarume]

Thats crazy, I've been in here since 4th Gen debut and I didn't even hear or remember seeing Gen 4 being referred to as Hololive Force 😭😭 They've always been called as 四期生 everywhere so 🤣😭

[@YamatoFukkatsu]

0:06 "We got the whole gen." ..................I wonder how the Fandeads felt hearing that.

[@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke]

The term HoloForce has been around since their conception but after Coco's graduation mid 2021, Gen4 decided not to call themselves HoloForce anymore.

[@Firestorm6651]

It is, indeed, HoloFource.

[@williamdrum9899]

Those earring physics on her model though. Very realistic

[@LyrialEra]

I watched 4th gen debut and I didnt know they were called force even after all this time lmao

[@justzerothemythlord1973]

Well to be fair, the name "HoloForce" are almost never talked about The first time I actually heard of it is in Kiryu's meme stream

[@brreakfastYT]

yeah, I never knew they had an actual title either. I always thought myth was the first one but I guess it's been a thing longer than it hasnt

[@rkade1486]

She's got some good impressions, but I've never heard of HoloForce until now.

[@abbychannel4591]

Imagine it is also a pun of Gen4 Holo4rce

[@falacin5309]

To be precise, the pun is that “HoloForce” is spelled exactly like “Holo 4th”

[@amethonys2798]

You also have to keep in mind what "Holo Fourth" would sound like with a JP accent. The "th" sound doesn't exactly exist and is usually replaced with S/Z sounds (Za Worldo being a popular example).

[@falacin5309]

@@amethonys2798 I know, since I’m French, I have the same kind of issue

[@akumaten]

I was thinking of Gear Fourth

[@Kagezawa]

1:32 she sounds like redhead woman

[@GraveUypo]

i wasn't prepared for how hard level 4 (hard) is with max increased spawn and halu. damn! specially the final boss, it took me like 10 minutes to kill it now i'm stuck at the cassino playing chao garden

[@Vernnell]

I just got my mind blow by Kiara, holy kikirikis.

[@raph8505]

so the whole time when they said Gen Four, it was really Gen Force but a little accent 🤯

[@hellothere9167]

It's pretty cool how Coco is there, I wonder if she'll get bonus from asacoco

[@EeveeReturn]

One of her skills gives Asacoco weapons a chance of Lifesteal (so far Plug-In Type and its Collabs) and also negates drawbacks of Asacoco items (so far the life drain effect of Injection Type).

[@Acorn_Anomaly]

Heh, pulling for Gen 4 members. Starts singing 4blood.

[@dr.bright6272]

Oh no! She knows.

[@wakamoon1910]

one reason I imagine is due it being incredibly rare that they'll ever have to refer/use that name since gen 4 has basically never gotten together as a gen since coco left.

[@PizzaCat4yhwh]

Forget the Ginyu Force! The Holoforce is the real deal!

[@FreakGeSt]

Force... Forth... 🤯

[@theonlymegumegu]

wow, this is extra hilarious to me because my friend and i were taking about gen identities and it specifically came up that 4th didn't really have one... i guess we have to revise that thought XD

[@Fishman465]

Not really, thr lack of identity was why the name didn't stick

[@leandroiuki4337]

The gen4 identity was always working offline or irl. They did collab a lot offline, that even the preparation of the streams involved the participation of some genmates.

[@teguhharyadi7741]

seeing the 3rd gen with 4 members kinda live up to the expectations and if Kay Yu wants to add Mano Aloe in the 5th gen seems like it would be more acceptable

[@RelaxRelapse720]

Zero chance that will ever happen. Plus there's nothing to work off of with Mano. That character died before it ever had a chance to really begin.

[@maguszero]

@@RelaxRelapse720 We got the headphones, and that's about all we ever can get.

[@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke]

She was online for 2 weeks and had a handful of streams. People obsessing with Aloe like they have emotional attachment to her when she has almost zero footprint in Holo is crazy.

[@maguszero]

@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke Anyone who was there and saw it all go down will always remember, because no one wants it to happen again. It's an event worth remembering.

[@Boyzby]

​@@maguszeroWe can accept that it shouldn't happen again, while recognizing it doesn't make any sense to add her to the game where it heavily references things about each member-with things like items, stickers, skills, weapons, whatever.

[@marumonyi2622]

Actually, every gen got their official name after Gamers (gen 2,5). 3rd : Fantasy 4th : Holo Force 5th : HoloFive / HoloV (now NePoLaBo ) 6th : HoloX (pronounced Holokusu)

[@larvyde5969]

It's hoROKUsu. That's the pun

[@The_Wosh]

@@larvyde5969 how many years has it been and only now I got it

[@FreakGeSt]

@@larvyde5969 X rokusu, 6, 🤯

[@MikayaAkyo]

Makes me wonder how many of the newer Members know that 5th Gen was previously 'HoloFive' and they only rebranded to NePoLaBo officially around their 1st Anniversary.

[@umigainsborough1]

To be fair this is the first time I heard of their title.

[@kanataspunchingbag2973]

Wawa's kaicho impression is so good LOL

[@HikaruCh.]

Relatable ngl

[@LazeC014]

I actually forgot they were called Force. I remembered googling the gen names after getting confused about HoloGamers not being in any numbered generation (plus Fubuki being there). It might be because it was after Coco's graduation (I got into Hololive 1-2 months before her graduation so I wasn't neck deep yet) and Force doesn't really collab together that's why the name didn't stick in my head.

[@reinnecity25]

Nah i still believe its just gen 4 trying pronounced fourth. You can't change my mind about that 😅

[@lyconxero457]

Just as a point to save on rolls, you should always do 10 pulls if you have the coins as it's the fastest and easiest way to unlock all the characters and their outfits while also banking gens to use for pity. Also, if you're new to the game then your first order of business should be to unlock all of the upgrades that give you more coins for every round cleared. This is the sort of game that becomes infinity more fun when you can just unlock all the characters and take your time playing through all the content while also having plenty of money to spend on said content.

[@tkjie2462]

Watame warukunai yo ne

[@faiz_162]

Wait, is that because fourth and force spell the same in katakana?

[@brilleon]

But in official channel, when They made the update song for "Can you say hololive member", the subtittle for this generation said HoloForth, lol

[@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke]

Japanese loves their puns. HoloForce/HoloFourths, HoloX/HoRokus (6th).

[@NicoNicoNessieSub]

Its a pun

[@ShadowdaHedgie11]

Honestly yeah, the only thing I bought before I started going after the gacha for the characters was the thing that lets you turn off weapons and items from appearing. Now most of my money is going into the gachas to either draw or buy the extra costumes. Luckily I had all the costumes from the previous version, unfortunately everyone has a new outfit xP Hm, Gen 3 does seem to be missing someone though... 🤔 I honestly wouldn't be complaining about getting a character's alternate costume the second time you draw them though xP

[@Wrafter_Maid]

Rushia doko

[@plstmb6000]

Funny thing is, holoforce and myth have the same colors: Blue, yellow, orange, pink, and purple.

[@kissena3830]

Funny thing is there's a myth that they are either sisters or their opposite complement. WatAme HimeMori

[@CatNolara]

Now that I think about it, what is the official name of gen 5? I only know them as NePoLaBo lol

[@adriankheyon]

Just a minor spelling mistake *insert ff14 meme*

[@Regis_ru]

I heard Luna say it multiple times, I thought she was saying HoloFourth 😅

[@Regis_ru]

I didn't think much of it since it makes sense and you know how Luna pronounces things xD

[@ChunkyOreo]

I guess they forgot the name HoloForce like they didn't know Hitomi Chris was existing before. It's all in the wiki dude

[@CasualTS]

Weird, I've never heard any of them use that term. It's always been 4th gen.

[@kissena3830]

Like you probably haven't heard of generation of miracle too. Because it is not official, but you can still call them that. Np

[@mountz498]

since people are now aware of HoloForce. Do you know 5th gen also have name too HoloFive. But after the incident they said HoloFive will always have 5 so rn they use NePoLaBo instead.

[@dionerowler]

i also been wondering gen 4 name..... Now I know it from playing holocure😂😂😂

[@sya2711]

ngl i thought they just called themselves holo fourth. as in jp gen 4.

[@drawbyyourselve]

I think its Just a japanese thing when they pronounce "fourth" Luffy also says gear "force", there is no sound close to the th anyway.

[@Holostars_is_underrate]

What, Gen5 has gen name??

[@heromcdohl]

Watame did nothing wrong.

[@Michael-fon-Evans]

Prepare yourself! Hololive Forces incoming

[@OldManGaribubee]

where is nanora

[@TheAdods]

sounds like Power Rangers

[@mercenary128v2]

Gen 5 was supposed to be the Sentai reference. It was called HoloFive and each member introduced themselves with an specific color.

[@commentofthis]

Lore wise, HoloX ("secret group") supposed to be the antithesis of HoloFive ("sentai"), as in "every heroes need villains"

[@christiandeepe6414]

Technically all of the gens have names right? Isn’t Gen 2 Exodia or something?

[@zeroanimation3956]

Exodia is not the official name, they name it exodia because they rarely collab all together.

[@flyingoctopus4304]

I don't think that's an official name, it's just a joke I think Subaru came up with. They started with the group naming after GAMERS. Gen 1 doesn't have one either afaik and Gen 0 was also a name given later to the misc. talents.

[@Gh4nya]

the unofficial name is holokids, but like other comment said gen 1 and 2 doesnt have an official name.

[@Yonatan-jv8mv]

Nope. Gen 0 wasn't even an actual gen/group, the members simply didn't belong to any generations/waves. Holofantasy was the first to start the naming trend.

[@yezki8]

Gen 1 is "Hololive" Gen 2 has no official name Gen 3 is "HoloFantasy" And so on...

[@jamesoliver9278]

I'm either too dumb or thinking too much. Can someone explain the pun? Is it literally just that "force" sounds like "fourth"?

[@kevinscales]

They are spelt the same when transliterated into Japanese フォース (4th/force)

[@yamiRic]

oh she didn't know about HoloForce.. Wait until we tell her about HoloFive Also you have to invite Luna for Holotalk, Tenchou.. that is why you didn't get her in gacha lol

[@NousagiBrat]

Tbf gen 4 are barely in the same frame. The last time was in ark for a couple of seconds. Talk about a gen with vastly different content and timeslot.

[@Fishman465]

There's also Gen 2

[@VixieNixie]

Watame did borderline nothing wrong

[@RiaGracewood]

Im pretty sure HoloForce isnt real. KayYu made it up 😂

[@veellial]

0gen become Genesis 2nd gen become Exodia but Holo Gamers 3rd HoloFantasy 4th HoloFourze/Force they already exist since begining.

[@goggles8691]

That is the name of a Yu-Gi-Oh card. You can't fool me that easily, charlatan

[@calveras86]

Watame did barely anything wrong

[@aquaventus]

It is honestly very rarely used, heard it like twice when Coco was still around. Gen 5 didnt get a title on debut and they later settle with NePoLaBo. Gen 6 was directly named HoloX in all introductions. For 7 and 8 they are part of Dev_is, and seems to mainly focus on music, basically what INNK wanted to be but failed.

[@commentofthis]

Gen 5 do have their group name HoloFive or HoloV (sentai/rangers reference, and each have their own signature 'color'), but they dropped it soon after since they're not "Five" anymore & the lore thus forgotten, so they need to come up with new name..🗿 Nene: yellow Botan: white/black Lamy: blue Polka: red Aloe: pink (?) As for HoloX, they're basically direct counterpart (supposedly) as 'the secret underground group/society' a.k.a 'the villains', as described in their lore

[@litlsteps8486]

Gen5 really had a rough start tbh.

[@RaiKageRyu]

​@@commentofthiswhen I look it at that way. Kay Yu was spot on for making the HoloXBreak game starring those two gens.

[@leiyuu345]

im curious, do any of the holomems mention about rushia?

[@shepardlovespi1446]

Pekora mentions her from time to time.

[@KimOnManhood]

I never play holocure before seeing one.😔

[@BugattiONE666]

So we got Mel and Coco but not Rushia or Aloe?

[@kissena3830]

If you haven't heard of force. Because it is new. Technically. For fans out their. Names especially for group or gen names can either A.) Canon -> this the original and usually the holo members themselves ask for it. This usually have hashtags also. B.) Fan-made -> made by fans. Shipping by fans included this. C.) Behavioral -> when fans or holo members, collectively just name themselves because of specific behavior Babies? Gothic? Etc D.) My naming sense. Fan fact holo dev_is is the only gen (currently) that is named instead of numbered. And of course they have theme associated with them. Anyway, where ever you hear the name just respect it, as long as it is not bad.

[@grgspunk]

*K.I.A. Tries It™: Bugged Lootbox Mechanics (Compu Gacha Edition)*

[@timconner7693]

She says she has all of them but there is one missing sadly. Its understandable why though.

[@np153Garlix]

I think it was wrong to exclude Rushia

[@NicoNicoNessieSub]

Well she should start behaving better and she might

[@np153Garlix]

@@NicoNicoNessieSub Even if she behaved badly, she was a significant member of Hololive for YEARS. It is inappropriate to pretend that she never existed. He should add her.

[@oneeyedreaper1678]

So no one gonna talk about how she mimic kaichou? It made me tear up how accurate she is!!!!

[@kissena3830]

I always think they are the same person. W

[@leandroiuki4337]

Nah, if when i hear Coco and don't see Mickey Mouse on drugs. It's far from Kaichou.😂

[@beemoh]

The intonation on "Morning" was incredible.

[@falsehero2001]

I know that controversy surrounds her, but the absence of a certain green haired cutting board still feels bad.