Smyth Busters: Appendix Carry is Unsafe

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This debate has been raging on the World Wide Interwebs for a long time: "Appendix carry is unsafe, don't do it!" vs "Appendix carry is OK, don't worry." That's quite a difference! Which side is right? Is appendix carry safe or dangerous? Steve and Caleb are here to settle it for us. Appendix carry is positioning your daily carry gun on the right-hand side of your waist, over the appendix.
The reasoning of the "anti" appendix carry faction is this: When you sit down, the muzzle is pointing at some important bodily parts, including your femoral artery and, for the gentlemen, your "guy tackle." If the gun should go off accidentally, the bullet can do some serious damage. But.....
Appendix carry is safe, says Caleb, if you have a good-quality firearm with a properly functioning safety, in a good holster, and you've had sufficient TRAINING in safe gun handling. Caleb's Rule: If you can't trust a firearm not to shoot when you don't want it to, you probably can't trust it to shoot when you need it to.
A risk point with ANY kind of holster is re-holstering. Do it incorrectly, get the gun snagged in your cover garment, and an accidental discharge can happen. Pull the garment fully out of the way, keep that finger OFF the trigger, and even do a little hip thrust to get the muzzle angled away from your body. A good-quality Kydex® holster retains its shape so it's unlikely smoosh closed and snag on the gun as you reholster it. Many holsters also have belt clips that let you attach and remove the holster without taking the gun out of it. Do a LOT of unholstering / reholstering practice drills with the gun unloaded, so you program the safe holstering process into your muscle memory.
When Steve does appendix carry, he does it ONLY with a Glock® because the striker is not fully cocked, so if it did somehow accidentally release, it wouldn't have enough force to detonate the primer.
So the myth is BUSTED. Appendix carry is safe IF you do it correctly.
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@CalebSavant
@CalebSavant Жыл бұрын
I appendix carry often, where is my appendix carry gang at!? What gun are y'all carrying? What is your favorite holster and why is it an Eclipse Holster?
@762x69
@762x69 Жыл бұрын
Aiwb all day brother! Y'all ain't gonna like me tho. I carry a G43 in a blackhawk stache&nacho combo. Not good for the cool guy but I am pretty damn comfortable apart from the run and gun Trex rig I adore except while I'm working and shopping for the family 😅
@rickberrey1642
@rickberrey1642 Жыл бұрын
Sidecar holster or no sidecar? I currently use sidecar and am wondering if it’s unnecessary bulk.
@droppinbrass5240
@droppinbrass5240 Жыл бұрын
Thats the only way i carry. Glock 19 with rmr and tlr 7 in a trex arms holster
@killercurl1
@killercurl1 Жыл бұрын
g22 no holster or belt one in the pipe. had far less ND then one would think.
@Savageplumber85
@Savageplumber85 Жыл бұрын
Black arch with extra mag holder. With Hellcat Pro. I love it. And I’m a bigger guy, too.
@yuvgotubekidding
@yuvgotubekidding Жыл бұрын
Caleb’s dry sense of humor is top notch.
@___.___._____
@___.___._____ Жыл бұрын
He had me laughing... one way or the other
@tomfrommichigan
@tomfrommichigan Жыл бұрын
I believe Caleb would be a fun guy to hang out with.
@rickh9396
@rickh9396 Жыл бұрын
I carry appendix and I trust Steve and Caleb to protect my junk.
@samguss4816
@samguss4816 Жыл бұрын
About the comment about people's weight: I am a fat guy. It isn't impolite to mention those sorts of things. In fact, it is really important. Everybody's body is different, and learning how to carry was really hard for me. I have a box of holsters that don't work for my body type. We all have different bodies and it is important to recognize that something you suggest for one body type might not work for somebody else. Thank you for being real about that.
@RandyMarsh-dh9es
@RandyMarsh-dh9es 4 ай бұрын
What did you find luck with?
@jay63732
@jay63732 Жыл бұрын
Appendix is the only way I can comfortably carry and I love it. I am a big DA/SA fan (CZ P-01 is my current CCW) and having a decocker and an exposed hammer I can feel in case it moves is a huge safety comfort.
@mrenfilade7178
@mrenfilade7178 Жыл бұрын
Ditto.
@kagyu1
@kagyu1 Жыл бұрын
Same here . P-01 every day. Philster helps with some Covid weight.
@chocolatemonk
@chocolatemonk Жыл бұрын
I ride my thumb on the hammer when holstering and reholstering my Omega
@StepbyStepGunTraining
@StepbyStepGunTraining Жыл бұрын
Best video ever your detail on the GLOCK striker/firing pin needed to be said.
@S1L3NTG4M3R
@S1L3NTG4M3R Жыл бұрын
"So, one way you bleed out you die immediately... the other way, you probably wish you would have... " - Legendary
@yuvgotubekidding
@yuvgotubekidding Жыл бұрын
If you appendix carry in a holster that doesn’t completely protect the trigger you’re idea of safety is half cocked.
@DavidLLambertmobile
@DavidLLambertmobile Жыл бұрын
I saw a online video of a guy, 45-50 carrying a semi auto A-IWB he was talking to staff then as he sat, his gun went 💥. I'm 51 & a ccw user, armed security officer 🚔. I use strong side OWB about 90% of the time. Cross draw or shoulder rigs in winter, long car trips-office jobs.
@dummgelauft
@dummgelauft Жыл бұрын
And that is exactly what a male appedix carrier may be left with..in case of an accident...
@scaleworksRC
@scaleworksRC Жыл бұрын
I have been conceal carrying for just over a year now. I used to prefer just behind the hip but always carry appendix now. It's easier to conceal, closer to your center, faster to draw, and the main things for me was constantly checking my shirt in case it came up from getting in and out of my car, and people being able to see or grab it while standing in line.
@evanacey1414
@evanacey1414 Жыл бұрын
One product I would recommend for anyone carrying a Glock in the appendix position is a striker control device.. It’s essentially a replacement back plate that gives you the added security that comes with carrying a DA/SA gun. The “Lucky Gunner” channel has a video all about it and is where I first heard of the device. I have one on my Glock 19 that I carry appendix and consider it an absolute MUST HAVE.
@notso5734
@notso5734 3 ай бұрын
Are they still being made?
@ancliuin2459
@ancliuin2459 Жыл бұрын
I had an accidental discharge with my Glock at my 4 o'clock position during a (complicated) training exercise while holstering the gun (trigger finger got caught). Entirely my fault. I felt like someone had really slapped my a$$, and for a moment I was afraid to look, expecting bloody rags. However, the 4 o'clock position had saved me, and everything was ok, except for my pride. Knowing my limitations by that experience, I would never consider appendix carry. Personal decision, of course.
@TrueOpinion99
@TrueOpinion99 Жыл бұрын
If your trigger finger was still in the trigger guard...your method of carry is irrelevant. You were the dumbass, not the part of your body where you put your holster.
@ancliuin2459
@ancliuin2459 Жыл бұрын
@@TrueOpinion99 You misunderstood. That's what I wrote: "entirely my fault". Knowing that my mind is liable to let stuff slip when under stress has caused me to limit the possible damage by choosing a place to carry that has less consequences when stuff slips again. Damage mitigation.
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
This is why training is so, so important. You're always going to have a chance of messing up under stress if it's not trained into muscle memory. And one of the most basic things to train are the rules of firearms safety. Keep your finger OFF the trigger until you are ready to shoot, right? And you can't be ready to shoot until you can see your sights, your target, and are aware of what lies beyond the target, right? If you don't have that down to muscle memory, there's no safe way for you to carry, to be honest. It should be apart of your every interaction with your gun. Time for another 5000 rounds of dry fire, eh?
@TrueOpinion99
@TrueOpinion99 Жыл бұрын
@@ancliuin2459 - Or, you train and practice to such a degree that you have to make a conscious effort to not do something correctly.
@libertycosworth8675
@libertycosworth8675 Жыл бұрын
@@ancliuin2459 A negligent discharge indicates a failure to follow the 4 primary rules of firearms safety. A negligent discharge while reholstering, specifically that your finger was anywhere near the trigger during reholstering is a clear example of that too. If you are doing a self admitted complicated training exercise and had an ND, you missed the basics of firearms handling and failed to properly follow the 4 primary rules. I would be more concerned about trigger discipline than holster location first and foremost. Reholstering any firearm safely on any part of your body requires a clear and deliberate action to ensure an ND does not occur (IE - a shoulder holster with someone potentially behind you comes to mind). There isn't any reason in the world I could imagine having to reholster fast without deliberate positive control of all facets of gun safe handling. When I holster the firearm at the range (or anywhere else) I clearly have any and all of my fingers well away from being anywhere near the trigger, and I clear any garment or other potential obstruction with my support hand, and I slowly and smoothly return the firearm to the holster (or I remove the holster from my body, carefully and deliberately return the firearm to the holster and then put the holster back on my body). Please go back to step one of safe firearms handling, and re-read the 4 primary rules of safe firearms handling, and then repeatedly practice them in a safe location with a clear and safe firearm, without any live ammunition anywhere in the room.
@Makarovii
@Makarovii Жыл бұрын
I carry either a G48 or G19.5 in a Vedder LightTuck w/claw. Before I switched, it was a CZ P-07 AIWB. 👍🏻
@oldgeek7601
@oldgeek7601 Жыл бұрын
100% agreement about a Glock for appendix carry since it is not fully cocked! Another common practice amongst the folks I shoot and train with is to never holster the gun on the body. We all use a holster similar to the Eclipse holster shown (alien gear and concealment express are examples), we always holster the gun off the body to absolutely prevent the possibility of getting a shirttail or key ring caught in the trigger guard, then put on the entire holstered gun. It's an extra step, especially while training (we train how we carry), but it's a lot safer! Great video! Important subject.
@lowerspeedhigherdrag
@lowerspeedhigherdrag Жыл бұрын
I would avoid the sig p320 if your gonna appendix. But otherwise yup spot Ok
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
@@lowerspeedhigherdrag With millions of 'em sold, you can't let a couple of videos that only have claims and still photos of the aftermath as evidence. For every claim of a self firing holstered SIG, there's always an explanation for how the trigger got pressed. Of course, its rather embarrassing to admit you caused a ND if you're supposed to be a trained shooter, so you get these claims. But nobody can ever show the actual safety mechanisms having failed, which is the only way a SIG (or any other striker fired handgun) can shoot itself with no trigger depression. Even with the drop safety issue, it was still only occurring with a trigger press. However, it was inertia moving the trigger.
@TerminalM193
@TerminalM193 Жыл бұрын
@@theKashConnoisseur I take it you missed the latest incident from the guy shooting in a competition?
@TerminalM193
@TerminalM193 Жыл бұрын
Damn that sounds absolutely nauseating. I can't imagine having to go through that process every time I want to train. I would have to find a completely different loop or belt clamp design to even consider such a thing. This would be a nightmare at a public training course..... You don't still do this during dry practice right?
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
@@TerminalM193 I saw the video. Pretty obvious that he caught some of the cloth from his top into his trigger guard when he holstered. Hence why his gun went off when he raised his hands. Shoulders going up, pulls on the cloth which pulls the trigger. His return spring broke when the gun detonated in the holster, obviously. Nobody who has claimed their SIG shot itself has been able to show that the safeties failed. Unless the striker safety is sheared off, alongside the TWO sear safety ledges, there's no way for the gun to fire without a trigger press. And when there's an obvious explanation for how the trigger got pressed.... Guns don't shoot themselves.
@michaeleteifer7801
@michaeleteifer7801 Ай бұрын
You NAILED it! That’s exactly what I teach in my classes. Can’t wait for the next video. I appendix carry always and use a Dark Star holster so I can remove holster and gun at the same time. That extra layer of safety makes a huge difference by avoiding administrative handling.
@BenRivered
@BenRivered Жыл бұрын
Great video. You 2 fellas are awesome together. Thanks for the info. I, myself, carry a body type that won't allow for comfortable appendix carry....
@lowerspeedhigherdrag
@lowerspeedhigherdrag Жыл бұрын
I'm a bit on the fluffy side myself. I personally will say anyone can carry appendix with the correct holster. The key is finding which one for you.
@kodoan411
@kodoan411 Жыл бұрын
THESE TWO ARE BETTER CO HOSTS THAN MOST OF WHAT I SEE ON TV AND CABLE. GOOD BACK AND FORTH. ENTERTAINING AND INFORMATIVE. THEY COULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT ANYTHING AND I'D FIND IT ENJOYABLE TO WATCH. BEST LINE: "ONE WAY, YOU BLEED OUT IN FOUR SECONDS... THE OTHER, YOU PROBABLY WILL WISH YOU HAD...
@Weasel6
@Weasel6 Жыл бұрын
Why are you yelling?
@kodoan411
@kodoan411 Жыл бұрын
@@Weasel6 MANY PEOPLE WITH POOR EYESIGHT RELY ON CAPS WHEN TYPING. UNFORTUNATELY, MOST PEOPLE UNDER 30 SEE IT AS YELLING WHEN, IN REALITY, THAT'S WHAT THIS IS FOR ---> !!! I MEAN NO DISRESPECT.
@darrelldutsch
@darrelldutsch Жыл бұрын
Love you guys! It's fun to hear your explanation of man parts,. Please keep up the great job!!! Thank You!
@Trumplican
@Trumplican Жыл бұрын
this series needs it's own channel!
@joejohnson4183
@joejohnson4183 Жыл бұрын
What's the old safety adage , never point the gun at anything you don't intend to shoot ?
@chrislawson8568
@chrislawson8568 Жыл бұрын
I've only been carrying every day for the past couple years but shooting since I was little. I carry the kimber micro 9 or my p365. I always thought it was silly to hear about how many holsters people have stock piled....till I seen first hand!!! Im still trying to figure out the best for appendix carry.
@Bersafor2
@Bersafor2 Жыл бұрын
I'll just say every method of carry is only as safe as the firearm and the shooter, but it'd suck a lot more to be the guy getting the first Sig P320 misfire if you're carrying appendix.
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
Long as you don't try and holster your gun with part of your hoodie tucked into the holster, it's no more likely to fire itself than a Walther or a S&W.
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
@@wilekrowan3610 When you look at the photos he shared and the story he told, it's obvious he tucked in cloth with the gun when he holstered. That's why it went off when he put his hands up, shoulders rising pulled on the cloth which pulled the trigger. EVen with a broken return spring (which absolutely broke when the gun detonated in the holster), that won't defeat the striker safety or the TWO sear safety ledges. Guns don't fire themselves.
@jhutch1470
@jhutch1470 Жыл бұрын
@@theKashConnoisseur You're full of shit.
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
@@jhutch1470 Sorry the evidence didn't fit your biases.
@chuckster243
@chuckster243 Жыл бұрын
@@theKashConnoisseur You might want to check a few more vids before you subscribe to that idea.
@heitorgomesmd6215
@heitorgomesmd6215 Жыл бұрын
Hi. A crossdraw front carry is much safer (not for bystanders). Good for seated position in a car. And allows the option for longer barrels. Thank You.
@richardthomas6602
@richardthomas6602 Жыл бұрын
Agree but then all outside the waistband carry positions are more comfortable than all inside the waistband carry positions.
@Weasel6
@Weasel6 Жыл бұрын
Generally speaking crossdraw is not recommended for anyone
@rpwbass
@rpwbass Жыл бұрын
Brownells always puts out superb content. Steve an Caleb deliver it every time. Thanks, gents!
@kirkmooneyham
@kirkmooneyham Жыл бұрын
The only handgun I could see carrying in the appendix position is a J-frame type DA revolver. They tend to have a heavy DA trigger pull which would all-but-eliminate the possibility of a ND. A design with a shrouded hammer like a Model 49 would be even better.
@raifcluster
@raifcluster Жыл бұрын
The last eight or nine holsters I've purchased are Vedder AIWB. I find them more comfortable for EDC than anything I've owned over the past 50 years. If you're like me and your gun goes in your belt when you dress for the day, comfort is important.
@rbs0648
@rbs0648 3 ай бұрын
It's generally when people re-holster that some piece of clothing gets into the trigger guard and they shoot themselves. This applies to any IWB holster, but appendix is pointing at your most vital parts when this happens.
@bergtechautomotive8886
@bergtechautomotive8886 Жыл бұрын
I'm 6'4", 275 lbs and have a decent gut. I appendix carry comfortably. I can drive, bend over, sit, etc. with no real issue. It took a while for me to find the right holster that was safe and fit my body well. I carry a Glock 19 or my Taurus G3C (this has been a phenomenal gun) and with my body shape, the little larger guns still don't print and are comfy.
@leewilkinson6372
@leewilkinson6372 Жыл бұрын
Ahhhh but can you roll over? Beg? 😆
@slopsec2358
@slopsec2358 Жыл бұрын
Well, I've been appendix carrying since 1980 and I have nothing to add... you covered it all, maybe just a little more emphasis on 're-holstering'. A fast draw is great, but never get in a hurry to re-holster. Take your time, do it right, preferably remove the holster, place the gun in it, and then replace the entire hoster/gun as a unit.
@greghawkins6154
@greghawkins6154 Жыл бұрын
I've been conceal carrying off duty for 30 years. The last 15 years it's been appendix. It just seems the most natural for me. Quick access and real good retention and defense of the weapon. So that's what I train to. I've been carrying a Glock 23, Gen 2 since 1992 and I picked up a Springfield XD Subcompact .40 when I retired!
@lunaticrider209
@lunaticrider209 Жыл бұрын
I’ve been carrying my Glock 19 ABWB in a cherries bwb holster for over 10 years. Before that another ten years aiwb I don’t remember the holster it was so long ago. I would always take the holster off when reholstering my Glock 19 the first few years of aiwb carrying but after a while I got in the habit of ether having my shirt tucked in or pulling it completely up when reholstering.
@tristanpedersen9056
@tristanpedersen9056 Жыл бұрын
I only appendix carry, never had any issues. It is just the best way for me. I've carried anything from my Taurus g2c to my Glock 40 that way, so I can't say I agree on the short barrel part. But I agree that it is plenty safe, and comfortable with the right holster.
@unluckyeddy7966
@unluckyeddy7966 Жыл бұрын
I'm a fat man, and sadly appendix carry is very uncomfortable...
@davek5027
@davek5027 Жыл бұрын
I hear ya
@onpsxmember
@onpsxmember Жыл бұрын
There is a holster that is called 'fat guy holster' or close to that from several companies. That might be worth trying.
@keithtate1241
@keithtate1241 Жыл бұрын
I have appendix carried before and have no problem with it but I find the 3 o'clock position to be the most comfortable carry location for me.
@onpsxmember
@onpsxmember Жыл бұрын
Right on the hip? What holster, weight, belt?
@robertivey3268
@robertivey3268 Жыл бұрын
@@onpsxmember Since I am left handed, I carry at 9 o'clock but the same applies. For a belt I use a Core Essentials belt and am very happy with it. It is very stiff but I don't find that that is any problem. It gives the holster a lot of support no matter how I carry. As for holsters, my preferred vary by application. My favorites are Crossbreed, Alien Gear, and Werkz. Being a lefty and having a laser on my 365XL, there are only a few that will work for me. Same holds true for my P320 compact with an Olight laser/light. Good luck in your search.
@keithtate1241
@keithtate1241 Жыл бұрын
@@onpsxmember Pretty much right on my hip with a kydex IWB holster and a Sub-compact 9 or 40. The belt is a core essentials.
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
I find it hard to access at 3 o'clock when seated, especially when in the car with a seatbelt over everything. Appendix has only been slightly less comfortable for me, but it more than makes up for it in terms of concealment and speed of draw.
@willo7734
@willo7734 Жыл бұрын
Appendix weirded me out a little when i first started carrying. After some time and dry practice I do it everyday. My favorite types to carry are DA/SA with the hammer down, or a SA 1911 cocked and locked. Glocks are also very safe as was mentioned in the video. The main rules are finger always off the trigger when holstering and keep it holstered. So far decocking my CZ has always ensured that I don’t decock myself.
@Jack-xy2pz
@Jack-xy2pz Жыл бұрын
Love your smythbuster series.
@martinsonofwar395
@martinsonofwar395 Жыл бұрын
I could not get comfortable AIWB. Might have been because I have a bit of a belly or me being highly particular about how things fit and feel
@RFComms
@RFComms Жыл бұрын
I'm an overweight appendix carry guy for the past 10yrs with no issues or concerns. I carry the S&W Shield in a Alien Gear holster and it works great for me. I want my firearm accessible while seated in my car. Being a big guy it would be to difficult to draw from between my body and the center console arm rest.
@allthingsconsidered3211
@allthingsconsidered3211 Жыл бұрын
I appendix carry normally but working on the ranch ive just switched to an ironside minimal otb holster. Keeps it comfy and somewhat concealed but fof city i conceal appendix. Great control, what i trained draw with, and great protection. With every holster, the gun is poonting at you in some position. Be aware of the retention and trigger. Practice before u draw. Etc makes for safe habits
@alliwantisfinancialstabili7414
@alliwantisfinancialstabili7414 Жыл бұрын
If you're really worried about appendix carry, DA/SA hammer fired guns are also great choices since you can press the hammer down with your thumb as you holster to prevent an ND
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
Even without a hammer fired gun, appendix carry is safe given safe action by the user. One big mistake that can get anyone using any gun is not minding basic gun safety. Literally, there are folks who move to holster with their finger on the trigger. Another, and related probably, is rushing to re-holster. If you're not mindful of where the gun is going, what might be in the way, or if anything might be inside of/obstructing the holster... things happen. I'm willing to bet that shirt tails tucked into trigger guards accidentally have led to a bunch of "my gun shot itself!" moments.
@AutopilotAndChill
@AutopilotAndChill Жыл бұрын
As long as it isn’t a Sig which is known for shooting by itself or another trash gun, appendix carry is in my opinion the best for concealed carry on the body. It is in front of you and easily accessible.
@JohnD357
@JohnD357 Жыл бұрын
Appendix carry isn't unsafe. I just don't want a gun pointing at my nuts.
@petepeter1857
@petepeter1857 Жыл бұрын
NuffSaid
@MrBDUB450
@MrBDUB450 Жыл бұрын
Devil's advocate: What about that rule "never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy?"
@Matt_justlikethat
@Matt_justlikethat Жыл бұрын
I appendix carry with a compact semi auto in a Very comfortable Hidden hybrid holster. Leather back(suede side belt clip an a claw, adjustable cant an retention. U have to find the comfortable area where the barrel rests an the grip gives full accessibility with finger clear of the trigger when drawing weapon. Thanks
@dknollRX7
@dknollRX7 Жыл бұрын
Appendix IWB kydex holster and my Staccato C2 DUO. I’ve carried multiple guns this way, but the 2011 also offers a mechanical safety for extra precaution.
@bryanmcdermott4204
@bryanmcdermott4204 Жыл бұрын
AIWB helps me print less and have a quicker draw. I used to pocket carry, but draw to shot was at a glacial speed. Like a couple of other folks here I used a CZ PCR.
@dillonc7955
@dillonc7955 Жыл бұрын
I don't care what trustworthy model of gun I'm using, I simply don't want it pointing at my junk. You can appendix carry if you're comfortable with it, but 3 or 9 o clock positions would make me less anxious about carrying in general.
@TrueOpinion99
@TrueOpinion99 Жыл бұрын
A holstered gun isn't "pointed," and a proper appendix setup won't "point" the gun at anything except the ground.
@tylerbeck3806
@tylerbeck3806 Жыл бұрын
Carried appendix since 2017. Glock 19, glock 42, glock 43x MOS, sig p365, sig and a p365x macro. It's the best concealment position for my body type. I work on cars and even go running like this with a weapon light and optic most of the time. I use a sidecar rig with a spare mag. Always feel the most comfortable with the glocks though.
@martinlag3234
@martinlag3234 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video as always 👍
@kenp3432
@kenp3432 Жыл бұрын
2 questions to help me understand better. 1) if the Glock's striker were released from the 95% at rest position, is it really true a cartridge would not fire? Perhaps the spring compression isn't linear but a 5% difference between success and failure seems well cutting it very close to bet your life on. 2) why deliberately break, even flaunt, very basic safety rules because, what, I'm special or I know more than anyone else so they don't apply to me. I'd offer, given the choice between the two, a professional should ALWAYS go for safety and NEVER promote a practice contrary to basic safety. Otherwise is to deminish your credibility. Thanks for reading. I would appreciate responses to both questions, they are honest questions.
@TrashPanda71
@TrashPanda71 Жыл бұрын
I'm in a wheelchair, seated all the time, appendix carry is very fast draw for me but it not comfortable when I lean forward wheeling up a ramp or hill. G19 is my edc.. I ended up 9 a clock owb carry instead. Beautiful S&W there by the way.
@hblegacy
@hblegacy Жыл бұрын
I personally don’t carry this way because I found it uncomfortable.
@psycopaintball22
@psycopaintball22 Жыл бұрын
I just want to say I've tried both my full size beretta 92 and my wife's 380EZ appendix and find the beretta more comfortable. It feels like the longer barrel follows my leg when I'm sitting down and pushes it out of the way. The EZ digs in more, maybe something smaller would be more comfortable but that's what I got
@timonthetube92
@timonthetube92 Жыл бұрын
You're not wrong. M&P9 with a TLR1 was normally more comfortable than a tiny gun. I don't know why, you might be right about the leg pushing it. I just know it works and I'm happy.
@zsoderquist
@zsoderquist 3 ай бұрын
I'm a very big guy and I only appendix carry. My EDC is a Canik TP9 Elite SC with a Hidden Hybrid holster. I wear untucked shirts when I carry and I wear pants just below my belly button (over my stomach) Since my pants are not below my belly it is comfortable to appendix carry. Also being a big guy, appendix is the easiest access location especially when I'm sitting/driving.
@RandomGuyOnTarget
@RandomGuyOnTarget Жыл бұрын
I carry both, for long car rides I typically carry appendix because it’s easier. Also if I’m doing a lot of standing and non labor intensive things I think appendix is better. But, most of the time I am working and bending over and squatting a lot to pick up large objects and for me that’s where 3-4 o’clock really shines is for a more active lifestyle. Key thing is quality holster and good awareness and training. Also for those that have had inguinal hernias like myself or just have back issues, appendix can be a little cumbersome. Giving your body a break front loading all of that weight and transferring it to your hips does help after weeks of appendix. Just my two cents and personal experiences carrying firearms. Great video 👍
@michaelmaier7262
@michaelmaier7262 Жыл бұрын
I have an appendix carry holster on the way. I look forward to training with it.
@richb.4374
@richb.4374 Жыл бұрын
When I first started carrying many years ago I tried appendix carry. It worked ok but for me it just was not comfortable when sitting down. I IWB carry at the 3 or 4 o'clock position depending on what I'm wearing and it's way more comfortable for me. Of course YMMV. It's important to stick with whatever works best for you, not what other people say or think you should do
@jurassicturtle3666
@jurassicturtle3666 Жыл бұрын
I find it easy to always remember to reholster carefully, slowly, and with line of sight considering the consequences of the contrary includes a potential second circumcision.
@jamescole8049
@jamescole8049 Жыл бұрын
I appendix carry every day. My 365 or a kimber micro 9 lately. The kimbers just so comfortable with a leather holster.
@Cr0wmagnum
@Cr0wmagnum Жыл бұрын
But what if you don't have an appendix? I do however agree that reguardless of how you carry clear and look when you reholster. You two are like the really cool uncle every youngster needs. A lot of good teaching moments on safty in your content. Thank you both.
@johnnydhillon70
@johnnydhillon70 Жыл бұрын
I carry my Taurus PT 945 or my Glock 17 in front or back depending on what I am wearing that day, the key is training and making sure your holster has a good trigger guard, I've been doing both for over 15 years
@onpsxmember
@onpsxmember Жыл бұрын
If you got it at 6 o'clock and you fall on it on somewhat solid ground you might get a better parking spot.
@johnnydhillon70
@johnnydhillon70 Жыл бұрын
@@onpsxmember I carry it at 4 o'clock but in a left handed position on my right side, it seems to work for me and be at the most comfortable, plus being 6ft6 it's easy to hide
@nithia
@nithia Жыл бұрын
I am not a small guy and I still appendix carry. Though adjustments are needed for going between sitting and standing and a small gun helps, but I have appendix carried a Canik SF Elite which is about the same size as a Glock 19 and with a red dot at that. Though my usual carry is a S&W Shield 1.0. The key is the right holster. Something that is not that much larger then the gun itself.
@stevepoe3667
@stevepoe3667 Жыл бұрын
I've been known to Appendix carry quite often, and understand the body parts that are in jeopardy, you said it, confident with your firearms and A LITTLE COMMON SENSE GOES REALLY ALONG WAY,the best Safety we have is planet between our Ears 🧠
@tammykennedy4165
@tammykennedy4165 Жыл бұрын
Appendix carry is like owning a tiger if it goes wrong it’s really going to go wrong
@onpsxmember
@onpsxmember Жыл бұрын
With training and testing each time with the current clothes it's okay. If I'd carry a Glock I'd want the striker control device back plate thingy, the one from Langdon Tactical, so the trigger can't be pulled when the thumb is pushing on the backplate. As most carry options, there are downsides in certain circumstances. The distance to it is the same when someone tries to grab it. Especially when one is on top of the other. The concealment is important, one handed draws need to work and as always situational awareness to not even get into a mess. I'm intrigued by those harness options that evade belts all together. You should get into that topic more especially with more winter clothing soon.
@BlakeCasper_
@BlakeCasper_ Жыл бұрын
I have to start by saying I am a bigger guy, but I often choose to appendix carry especially as it gets colder and I have thicker clothes on. Lately I have been carrying the PDP, but prior to getting that this year I carried a Glock19, with an extra mag in a Trex arms holster. Absolutely no complaints once I got it set right and actively trained to get familiar with it.
@steveb9496
@steveb9496 Жыл бұрын
I appendix carry 7 days a week and have done so for the past 4 years. I carry a DA/SA Sig P229 in a JM Custom Kydex holster. It's the most comfortable way to carry I have found.
@deejayimm
@deejayimm Жыл бұрын
The vast majority of holsters nowadays are one clip kydex arrangements, and they pop off and on easily. So pop the holster off, reholster the firearm in a safe direction, and then put the holstered firearm back on your belt. There is no need to tactically reholster 3 seconds faster than the safe way.
@scott2228
@scott2228 Жыл бұрын
I appendix carry SA Hellcat in a kydex Vedder holster. I also pocket carry in a Galco leather pocket holster.
@brianbelliveau5551
@brianbelliveau5551 Жыл бұрын
Good video I carry both ways it depends on what my cover is and I carry a sig 365XL
@S1L3NTG4M3R
@S1L3NTG4M3R Жыл бұрын
THANKS
@harperhellems3648
@harperhellems3648 Жыл бұрын
A better alternative to Appendix carry is pocket carry with a Robert Mika handmade pocket holster. I've done both, and while I sometimes still do Appendix, I really think it fails when you have to get in your car. Isn't that when most of us want to concealed carry? When we're going somewhere? Pocket carry can accommodate everything from Sig 365 down to NAA .22 LR. Personally I think Ruger LCP .380, or Beretta .32 Tomcat, or S&W snubbie .38 works best. Bigger? Then it's time for 3 o'clock leather DeSantis holster.
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
Hard to pocket carry a full sized gun with a light attached and a spare mag. Also it takes away a pocket I would otherwise be using for my other EDC stuff! 😀 I found that getting the right combo of gun belt, holster, concealment wing, and foam wedge has made appendix carrying a complete non issue for me. I can get in and out of the car, I can go on a road trip, I can run around, squat down, pick stuff up off the ground, all good. And best of all, I can completely conceal a gun with a 5 inch barrel, 17+1 capacity, a weapon light, and a spare mag all in the one holster.
@jerroldkazynski5480
@jerroldkazynski5480 Жыл бұрын
I've had my appendix removed, so I'm more inclined to be more concerned! Years ago I bought a PD trade-in Glock 27. Bought a leather app-carry holster (FLA gov brand) and still use it carrying an MP now.
@DrLanceFarr
@DrLanceFarr Жыл бұрын
I have Appendix carried for years: 5 shot Ruger LCR .357 mag.
@andyd2960
@andyd2960 Жыл бұрын
My biggest issue with appendix carry is that I have a bit of a belly. I'm gonna work on that once my knee is addressed. It is an excellent location, but not for me at the moment.
@Minutes-Mils
@Minutes-Mils Жыл бұрын
I've been carrying appendix only for about 3 years now. Still have my twig and berries intact 😅
@JG-nw3ub
@JG-nw3ub Жыл бұрын
I recently picked up a blued, square butt model 36. Kinda looks like that piece they have in the video.
@franciscochiriboga2268
@franciscochiriboga2268 Жыл бұрын
I carry a Glock 19, both hip and appendix carry. Although it is not the most appropriate gun for the latter type of carry (the Glock 26 probably is) it isn’t that bad, either. I wear a Galco TUC226, which is not great in the reholstering department and I usually have to wiggle the pistol a little, in order for it to open the part of the holster that covers the triggerguard, that tends to collapse under belt or pants pressure. I agree with Steve that Glocks are possibly among the safest pistols to have “cocked” and pointed at your body, but I also think that the real safety comes from NEVER putting your finger in the triggerguard until your gun is pointed at your intended target. Thus, most guns will be safe enough for appendix carry, IMHO.
@kevinm.328
@kevinm.328 Жыл бұрын
I forgot the name of my holster but it's minimalistic. It clips to my belt and only covers the trigger. I can actually conceal a glock 17 with it but the barrel hits me in places when I sit so I have to grab it.
@adviceman5211
@adviceman5211 Жыл бұрын
I'M TOO BIG IN THE WRONG PLACES TO CARRY THIS WAY, SO I DON'T. BUT JUST AS MOTORCYCLISTS USED TO SAY ABOUT HELMETS, LET THSE WHO RIDE DECIDE. THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS TO LEARN TO REHOLSTER SAFELY AND IF YOU HAVE AN EXPOSED HAMMER HANDGUN, IT'S EASIER (AND SAFER) STILL !!! GREAT VIDEO, GUYS !!!
@budgates983
@budgates983 Жыл бұрын
I've appendix carried for many years and the only thing that I disagree with is the comment about needing a short barrel. I personally prefer appendix carry with my full size 1911. The barrel helps hold the grip into my body to minimize protruding as it rests between my thigh and my man parts. An accidental discharged in this position will miss both the femoral artery and my man parts.
@lancebane3088
@lancebane3088 Жыл бұрын
I've been appendix carrying a compact size 1911 for years. Compact size because of size AND weight! 1911 because of two safeties! I've come to the conclusion over the years, if your carry gun is too big and/or too heavy AND you don't feel safe carrying it, you WON'T! I appendix carry primarily for access to your gun while driving! I had an old school shooting instructor advise me to always check the safety prior to holstering AND place my thumb over the hammer when holstering on appendix carry and I've been doing that ever since! Plus with a 1911, you can easily and inconspicuously put your hand under your shirt from time to time and do a safety check!
@docholliday3273
@docholliday3273 Жыл бұрын
Risk/benefit analysis is the key. Trained people who observe safety and have a well-working firearm that you are intimately familiar with, risk is minimal, but you had better know what you are doing.
@ForthcomingTruth
@ForthcomingTruth Жыл бұрын
One in the chamber. Don't depress the trigger. Other than that learn how to clear your shirt then drop and build grip while you get eyes on target... really not hard at all...
@bobjohnson1633
@bobjohnson1633 Жыл бұрын
A rigid holster that covers the trigger guard completely is a pretty necessary safety
@DavidLLambertmobile
@DavidLLambertmobile Жыл бұрын
Guns are not props or fashion statements. If you choose to use A-IWB or any carry style, be aware of safety, 🦺 . Don't be a jerk and feel everyone around you is wrong!
@ThePatriotParadox
@ThePatriotParadox Жыл бұрын
I have a small belly and I do, no matter where you carry it can be safe or unsafe... Depending on how you handle it.
@MikeA817
@MikeA817 Жыл бұрын
recommend checking out Phlster (here on youtube) not only for their holsters, but plenty of info about how to conceal carry
@mrshort2379
@mrshort2379 Жыл бұрын
they make a (fat guy holster) for appendix carry for us guys with a "fat gut" or just make sure to get a low riding holster for appendix.. I carry full size in a appendix holster, and I have a fat gut. just make sure it has a sweat guard. it will help to keep from pinching your gut
@YetAnotherJohnDoe1776
@YetAnotherJohnDoe1776 Жыл бұрын
Another great video, guys! 😊 Agree that the information about the Glock striker not being fully cocked is important. Accidents happen - cough P320 cough - so assume the risk you’re capable of handling. Striker control devices or a safe hammer down can be the difference between life and death or disfigurement.
@nightrider2k6
@nightrider2k6 16 күн бұрын
5:11 I think thats why the sig p320 had so many discharges while in holster like the milwakee police
@leokelly359
@leokelly359 Жыл бұрын
I carry appendix I will re-holster by pulling my holster out to re-holster mainly because of the type of holster (JM4 magnetic holster) I use and because I am in a wheelchair. I have been doing it like this for about 10 yrs. depends on the situation but it is either a ruger ec9s or a 38 special wheel gun snub nose
@BikerDash
@BikerDash Жыл бұрын
My carry method is 3 o'clock (strong side) IWB. My carry gun is a Taurus 709 slim. I tried appendix carry, and (due to being phat) I found it uncomfortable.
@Moetown1986
@Moetown1986 Жыл бұрын
Appendix a Staccato C2 or a Shadow Systems MR920. Both with an X300. Tenicor Mal Sol holsters and a Kore belt make it easy.
@Thomas-ei1yk
@Thomas-ei1yk Жыл бұрын
I've been appendix carrying a S&W 442 .38 +p for years on a daily basis and never had a problem.
@jamesdelong6401
@jamesdelong6401 10 ай бұрын
I've been appendix carrying for 9 months and one in the chamber. 0 issue. Now when I'm working outside at my house or carrying in my house I carry strong side
@Friedbrain11
@Friedbrain11 Жыл бұрын
I have a Glock 17 Gen 5 but I am "not straight up and down" as Steve referred to in order to appendix carry. I would think that carry method would be a great way to carry as I find kidney carry is very uncomfortable.
@davek5027
@davek5027 Жыл бұрын
Appendix carry is only doable for those of us that are extremely slim and trim. For those of us who have accrued a few ounces in our old age, it’s nigh on impossible.
@TrueOpinion99
@TrueOpinion99 Жыл бұрын
No it's not, you just need to adjust your setup.
@DoomMajster
@DoomMajster Жыл бұрын
If I needed to carry a firearm I would carry it appendix. I like the peace of mind having the gun always in front of me. Having a gun in the back bothers me as somebody could see it when I lean forward or bend over something and then perhaps be tempted to approach me and take the gun from me. Also, if you carry appendix all you need to do is look down if you're concerned in any way about the state of your firearm. My choice would be Taurus 850 all-stainless-steel wheelgun with fully concealed hammer in a Stealth Gear Ventcore Appendix holster. The safest possible firearm to carry in arguably the most comfortable holster to carry it in. This combo serves me well on the range or when I carry it unloaded around my house. I could walk all day with it.
@davidcarter8457
@davidcarter8457 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, what’s your take on shoulder holsters?
@theKashConnoisseur
@theKashConnoisseur Жыл бұрын
Seems like they often get dismissed by people saying "well, you're flagging anyone behind you on the draw". But assuming basic rules of firearms safety are followed, finger shouldn't be on the trigger until the gun is aimed at the target. Mas Ayoob had a decent video about them a while back that is worth a look.
@davidcarter8457
@davidcarter8457 Жыл бұрын
@@theKashConnoisseur Yup to all of that. I went back and re-watched his video. Who I’m thinking of is Gresham on his gun talk show. “You’re flagging people!” A cocked and locked 1911, is just as safe in a shoulder rig, as in any belt holster. Since the safety is “ON”, until the gun is on target.
@jfruser
@jfruser Жыл бұрын
AIWB can be done safely. The consequences if not done perfectly are rather more significant than strong-side OWB or IWB.
@biggerbehindthetrigger2814
@biggerbehindthetrigger2814 Жыл бұрын
Appendix carry just isn't for me. I have always carried strong side and I use the same model holster for all my carry firearms. I like my firearms to always be in the same place on my hip. Less to worry about.
@nickfreeland1944
@nickfreeland1944 Жыл бұрын
Steve is a man of culture.
@JTEllis
@JTEllis Жыл бұрын
I agree with you on all points regarding appendix carry. Personally it is not for me. The point you make about quality holster and quality guns is a good one!
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