Smyth Busters: Is It OK To Modify Your Carry Gun?

Steve and Caleb take on a persistent line of thinking that's gone around for years: You shouldn't modify your daily carry gun. The theory is that if you shoot an attacker with it in self-defense, the modifications can be used against YOU in court. Is that true? Before we proceed, let's just make it clear the guys are NOT providing legal advice here. They are offering their opinions based on research and discussions with actual defense attorneys, rather than what gun writers and firearm instructors are saying.
Remember, there is a situational element to any prosecution. If you are charged in an anti-gun jurisdiction or get a judge who's none-too-friendly to the Second Amendment, things about the firearm may be brought up in the case against you that would not be used elsewhere. Still, the key question in court is going to be whether or not you were justified in using deadly force to defend yourself.
What counts as a modification? Changing the factory "iron" sights to fiber optic or Tritium night sights? Sights have no material effect on how the gun functions. What about a trigger job? If you have not altered a safety function of the firearm, a trigger upgrade probably isn't going to work against you. For an extra measure of CYA in court JIC, have a professional gunsmith do the trigger job for you. Or use a drop-in kit like those from Apex Tactical.
Modifications that HAVE been brought up at trial are cosmetic changes to how the gun LOOKS. Clever sayings on the inside of an AR-15's ejection port cover or laser-engraving "Smile, wait for flash!" on the muzzle of your pistol is not a good idea. Even painting the gun a different color can be brought up by an overzealous prosecutor. These are all things the jury member who doesn't understand guns can SEE. Don't make it appear to them you were "looking for a fight."
In the end, Steve and Caleb could not find a court case where the outcome went against somebody because the firearm they used in self-defense had been modified. So based on their research, the myth is BUSTED. A self-defense gun can be modified, within reason.
For those who want to be extra cautious but also want upgrades on a carry gun, consider a gun like the SIG P226 Legion. It comes from the factory with a ton of upgrades, but it's still a "factory stock" pistol.
NOTE: Products in this video are to be used only for lawful purposes, including hunting, self-defense, and competitive or recreational shooting. If you purchase any of them, you are responsible for understanding and complying with all federal, state, and local laws that apply to the purchase, possession, and use of these products.

[@senioMseD]

I think we can all agree that if you put The Punisher on your gun the court should find you guilty of cringe

[@Pyreleaf]

Correct.

[@johncox2865]

Should find you guilty of Stupidity.

[@Pyreleaf]

@@johncox2865 found the Punisher wannabe.

[@senioMseD]

@@Pyreleaf lmfao you beat me to it 😂

[@josh656]

Guilty in the first degree.

[@SteelHoarse]

“Don’t carry a gun you mind losing to an evidence locker” BEST advice ever!

[@michaelpeterson1169]

Even the most expensive gun isn’t worth what your life is.

[@brianchu1710]

Shadow Systems will actually replace your handgun if it is confiscated in a legal DGU

[@ryanwilson6036]

​@@brianchu1710 that's pretty awesome

[@nfaisnfgay]

Worst advice ever. I want every possible factor in my handgun to give my every possible chance of being better than my opponent equipment. Money is worth less than my life - I’ll buy nice gear. Keep coping.

[@ZarkowsWorld]

@@nfaisnfgay Not worst advice - because you are more likely to deck out the cosmetics (hey, gold finish!) on a gun you take out and be careful with, then a work-gun for CC. So if you take your workhorse, the stable one you know works, as a CC, and leave the decked out shiny, mean-looking or finicky ones for Saturday plinking, you will be ok.

[@ETHRON1]

The sad thing is and actual crime is....we have to have these conversations about our safety and consequences of defending yourself.

[@steemerxaxon1643]

EXACTLY RIGHT!!! The best MOST SENSE comment that is on here

[@justinweaver8787]

Fact

[@dergunter1237]

ofc you do and you will have to as long as you defend the enforcers in blue who throw you in prison if you defend yourself ....

[@chuckster243]

It's disgusting, the criminals should be the ones afraid.

[@AAA-Wolf]

@@dergunter1237 - blame the state laws and criminals. Don’t blame the police officers

[@blckandwhtknight]

Should you modify your carry gun? Lawyer: it depends... probably not Gunsmith : just make sure it works

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

How many Glocks have you seen that have been modified for reliability to the point they no longer function? 😁😁😁

[@andakin117]

@@nucleargrizzly1776 I'm by no means a Glock fan boy. But I'll admit Glocks are fine sidearms for duty, home defense, and concealed carry. But I love to laugh at the people who take perfectly working Glocks and upgrade them to death only for their Glock to stop working reliability. Glock is the only brand I know of that people buy for the reliability, then spend the same amount of money that they spent on the Glock making it more reliable, then pay the cost of the Glock and extra stuff again to fix all the problems they created in the first place. Glock, the only $500 pistol on the market that needs $1,500 in after market accessories in order to be made into a carry gun. 🤣🤣🤣

[@nucleargrizzly1776]

@@andakin117 You can spend thousands making a 1911 reliable or making a Glock unreliable. And my carry Glocks sport Heinie Straight 8 sights. That's it.

[@andakin117]

@@nucleargrizzly1776 I have no issue with modifying firearms, and I have no actual issue with Glocks. in fact I say go for personalizing your carry pistol because likely you'll be the only one carrying or shooting it. I do think Glock is a bit over hyped when you compare it to any modern pistol from a reputable manufacturer. (CZ, Walther, Sig Sauer, Beretta, S&W, just to name a few.) and as far as 1911's go, I've never actually handled one that wasn't just as reliable as any stock Glock. I've seen both double feed, fail to extract, or fail to go into battery, all at the same rate. I wasn't bashing Glock, I was laughing at the people out there that buy a Glock, gut it, and make it a potato. like buying a Corvette, gutting it, and trying to install all your Toyota parts in place of the Corvette you bought. then not understanding why your car doesn't work.

[@AllenTam]

@@andakin117 I 2nd that, LOL.

[@B_R_]

People should be far more concerned about what they've said and posted on social media than any mods they've made to their firearm, if they ever end up in court after a self defense incident.

[@HansBelphegor]

@@flat-earther no shit its not a globe... there is mountains and lakes, like a big lump of mud

[@davidhill537]

B R, Very Good Point!!

[@railfanningpoints2.045]

If it isn't relevant evidence to the particular self defense case, an unbiased judge, and or a competent defense attorney should get it thrown out.

[@mikemadden4439]

@@railfanningpoints2.045 how many unbiased judges have you heard of.

[@mikemadden4439]

@@railfanningpoints2.045 I am mostly saying do not have I don't call 911 or something of the sort to protect yourself from malicious court problems.

[@marsoelflaco5722]

In defense; the modifications were made to make me a better/more confident shooter. If the unspeakable happens, and there's no avoidance of the situation, I want to be as sure as possible that that round hits its intended target.😉

[@steveegbert7429]

@@flat-earther Go away spamming troll.

[@solomonsgtjustinl9724]

… so you wanted to kill my client. Your honor Id like to change the charge to murder 1 please.

[@koobs4549]

Yes and while you understand that, a jury may not & lawyers many times will advise you not to take the stand in your self defense case. You may never get the opportunity to explain it to the jury & even if you do they may not agree. There have even been cases where the very training of an individual has been brought into question. They will try to paint you as a wannabe Cop or Military Operator who was just looking for an opportunity to use what you learned in that 4-day pistol defense course. What seems reasonable to you, may not seem reasonable to a jury. Check out the Armed Attorney’s channel, they have a lot of good advice regarding self defense cases.

[@marsoelflaco5722]

@@koobs4549 😉

[@recoiler4545]

@@solomonsgtjustinl9724 I'm sure a scumbag defense attorney would go with that tactic, but if your own lawyer can't dispel that argument in about 30 seconds, get a different lawyer. If you're in a jurisdiction where the judge or jury doesn't understand that some modifications help the shooter be more accurate and controlled, and thus safer for bystanders, then you're screwed either way and you probably should not have set foot in that jurisdiction, especially armed, in the first place. A sad but true situation for too many good people.

[@countdracula4656]

When it comes to cosmetics, a prosecutor/juror tries to suggest malicious intent depending on the cosmetics. It's easier to get the jury more emotional over that rather than go over any technical specs that won't matter and definitely won't sway the jury into a biased opinion.

[@rmenard1986]

Screw the jury

[@Rick-tb4so]

Increasing HP on your vehicle from 400 to 500 would that suggest malicious intent ??

[@grbmajor6645]

@@Rick-tb4so Apples to oranges my friend.

[@SpartacusColo]

Going the technical-route for the prosecution is risky: the average lawyer knows diddly about intricate mechanical devices and runs the risk, themselves, of looking like the fool if the gun-owner on the stand knows his/her business and is smart about it. The lawyer looses the confidence of the jury that way, so they would tend to be less-likely to pick at that issue.

[@venus_de_lmao]

@@Rick-tb4so I've seen bumper stickers openly fantasizing about committing murder. Changing the color of your gun is vastly different from engraving a threatening message on your dust cover.

[@diggacha]

I've been following the rule for my carry gun that for any modification that I consider making, I should be able to justify that it's related to safety. If it helps with aiming and accuracy, then it reduces the chance of hitting anything other than an intended target. If it helps with reducing time to the first shot, time between shots, then it increases my time to try methods of de-escalation other than firing the gun to stop the threat. And personally, I make my aesthetic choices tasteful and complimentary to my overall wardrobe, so I can make the case that in addition to simple aesthetic preference, it helps with the concealment of the firearm and is intended to generally reduce overall stress of those around me. Even my carry ammo choice is something that I think about as being something that should stop or slow down significantly to prevent damage beyond the intended target. Not saying that it's legit legal advice or has ever been tested, but I think that generally being ready to demonstrate your effort in total risk reduction is more valuable in a court room than letting a prosecutor paint you as only being ready for an armed attacker at the expense of being a general liability to those around you.

[@keegandunn6724]

Why doesnt this comment have more likes?

[@walkingwolf8072]

@@keegandunn6724 Because NEVER try to justify lawful acts, just Keep Your Big Mouth Shut.

[@Mark-dr5xi]

Well said!

[@timrobinson6573]

In the Kyle Rittenhouse trial the prosecution argued to the judge that the police did not measure the Kyle's rifles barrel length when they put it into evidence therefor it can not be assumed to be a rifle. He did this to try to argue that Kyle was illegally carrying a pistol as a minor to try to add another charge. The judge had the rifles barrel length measured right there in the middle of court and did not allow the prosecution to bring that charge.

[@Jason-sq2up]

Why would it be assumed to be a shorter barrel just because it wasn't measured? Guilty until proven innocent, I guess?

[@BertShackleford]

According to my attorney and my personal principles. Modifying your carry pistol only succeeds in making his job harder. Although, he did say that out of all the mods you can do to your carry gun, there is one that should *_NEVER_* be touched - the trigger. Modifying the trigger in _any_ way, shape or form makes your argument exponentially harder. _"It's just not worth it"_ as he would say. He also echoed my sentiment which basically says. If you absolutely must carry a gucci gun, then I suggest buying one from a manufacturer that includes all the must-haves _without_ the need to modify _anything_ yourself. While I am not a fan of gucci guns per say, there are several companies that produce them straight from their factory _with_ a factory warranty. Shadow Systems, Danger Close Armament, CZ Custom Works. Wilson Combat, BUL Armory, etc. Whereas, firearms/defense instructors will always preach - _"Why not use every advantage available to you in a life threatening situation? If that means modifying your pistol to _*_win_*_ that gunfight, then so be it!"_ Wise advice but they are not the ones you should be listening to for legal advice. I prefer to listen to my attorney while still seeking appropriate training. You have to be cognizant that your choices inevitably have consequences. Stay classy my friends. *6:13 mark. Good point and one that I adhere too but completely forgot to mention. Any and all mods that are performed on my carry pistol(s) are performed by my certified gunsmith. He also signs his initials and date on the invoice/receipt upon completion. I have been doing this long before I even had an attorney. Sort of a CYA method. While that sounds contradictory to my previous statement. I can assure you that these "mods" were not gucci in any sense. For instance, on my G19 Gen 5 MOS, I had him install the CHPWS plate, iron sights and RMR all at once. Even though I can do this myself, it is my daily carry pistol. Therefore, these rules are non-negotiable. EDITED for forgetfulness.

[@chaimafaghet7343]

You have a bad lawyer. Your position going in is "this man threatened my life and I deliberately shot him in self defence." "Are you sure you didn't accidentally shoot him because you fucked up a trigger job?" "No, he was threatening my life and I shot him deliberately." Now if you accidentally shoot someone, different story.

[@zenjon7892]

Can you go into more detail on the trigger modification?

[@ronnieb7408]

Anything that makes it easier to aim and hit the intended target can be defended as being safer for the bystanders in a defense situation. Glock 17 modified,Glock 43x modified

[@noahcount7132]

In addition to your cautions regarding modifications to an EDC sidearm, Steve and Caleb, I've followed Mas Ayoob's advice from decades ago to ONLY carry factory ammo and NEVER carry handloads in a personal defense sidearm.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Ayoob has many + tips, advice. I myself say only use-carry 🚔 style JHPs or handgun loads tested, proven to function well in lethal force events. Federal HST, Speer Gold Dot, Golden Saber +P, Ranger T, T series.

[@nataldoe3035]

What’s the reason behind that?

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

@@nataldoe3035 the reason for what?

[@themightycrixus1131]

Hot hand loads can display intent.

[@runlevelone]

If the D.A. is zealous they can try to use anything against you. Arizona v Harold Fish I believe the D.A. used the fact he carried a 10mm to try and paint a picture of malice. Me, I carry a 9mm CZ P-07 90% of the time, all of my pistols are stock except for grips or sights.

[@koobs4549]

I picked up a Sig P365XL Spectre so that I could keep my carry gun stock but still have all the upgrades. I like not having to worry, I also have Firearms Legal Protection which guarantees that if your firearm isn’t returned following your case, they will replace it for you.

[@cwagner122]

For real tho this has become my fav. Show on KZbin, always a good day when Steve and Caleb drop some knowledge my guns are thankful for sure.

[@AllThingsLoud_]

It’s a channel on here where pro 2a lawyers gives advice and break down myths to. Can’t remember the name of it now though

[@chrstrly]

Another tip from Mas Ayoob. Do NOT use the weapon light to search. Pointing a gun at someone without justification is a felony. Use a flashlight for the search and only use the mounted light if you NEED to point the firearm at a person. Great video guys!

[@ericremme7589]

So glad to hear this ! I switched out my factory M-P 2.0 curved trigger to an Apex flat faced , a great thing to do , better everything, now you see the manufacturer has also gone to this type of trigger realizing shooters prefer flat to a curved , many times personal changes to their firearms repeatedly can make a change to the manufacturer.

[@michaelbarfield528]

Great discussion! I agree with Steve's comment that you should use a good reliable firearm you can afford to lose... to the police evidence locker because you may not get the firearm back in the same condition before the police take custody of your firearm, ie ballistics tests, fingerprints etc. The same wise advice I got from my CWP instructor as well.

[@1968CudaGuy]

I've talked to a retired judge, a current DA, and a couple different defense attorneys. Most were the same about external "decorative" modifications. Like y'all said cosmetically modified guns get the attention of the ree-ree's in the jury pool..

[@michaelh546]

I bought a used SR45 Ruger. A previous owner had applied Talon grips. I added them to my entire SR collection, and M&P shield. Thank you for your informative, educational YT channel.

[@alexcampbell3743]

great video, the concise nature of these videos is refreshing

[@leeleland2435]

The court should decree that a gun is a gun, period.

[@ISUBAJA]

a gun is a gun. but the deal is if your're in a courtroom the prosecution is going to use every little detail against you. Doesn't matter if its a punisher skull on your gun, a confederate flag on your shirt, or a funny sign in your front yard about no warning shots due to the cost of ammo. These are all things they are going to use to assassinate your character and convince the jury you wanted to shoot someone.

[@wayneeck9805]

I enjoy listening to these two! Always interesting and educational! Thanks!

[@clrd4tkoff]

Great Video!! You can explain a lot of things in a court room about a firearm. But bad graphics are going to be the hardest in the court of public opinion!👍🏻👍🏻

[@johnmcdougald1238]

I carry a basic G26, but I changed the sights on it with Tru-Glo's TFX Pro sights, to make them more functional for low light shooting. I also installed and extended slide release on it because I needed just a little bit more length to be able to use my thumb on it, without having to change my grip. I also have the TLR6 Laser/light combo on the frame. Other than that, the only modified thing on it are the +2 magazine bottoms I have on the 10 round magazines. Nothing too elaborate and fancy. Just things to make the tool more functional for me and safer to operate under stress.

[@mhicaoidh1]

Like you guys, I did some research several years ago on this topic, and I could not find a single case where the decision of guilty hinged on a modification to a firearm. In fact, the only time modifications came up were when the defendant claimed "it was an accident" or "the gun just 'went off'". More recently, cosmetic things have been mentioned in orals by prosecutors, but I've not seen much evidence that this has held any sway with jurors. If a feature of a gun is being used against you, call an expert witness to nullify it. I carry an M&P 2.0 Compact with XS Bit Dot sights. I used to carry a M&P9C with Big Dots and an Apex Trigger until the 2.0 Compact came out. I have been practicing with the 2.0 w/ red dot, but not proficient enough to carry it yet.

[@roykiefer7713]

I’ll offer this comment: While an overzealous prosecutor or law enforcement executive might suggest that sight upgrades (even as simple as applying bright red nail-polish) or trigger enhancements demonstrate “malevolent intent,” I’ve often thought that a valid and winning reply would be, “not at all, these enhance accuracy, which safeguards the lives of innocents.”

[@savagedabs8536]

I agree the internet is malevolent. Lol I apologize sir but I couldn't resist.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@flat-earther Earth is actually an ellipsoid. But nobody cares about your stupid 13 part series.

[@BobRennierSEMO]

My carry gun is a stock Gen 5 Glock 19 with factory installed Ameriglo night sights. I’m with Steve if I had to lose it forever in an evidence locker I don’t want to “cry” too much.

[@nfaisnfgay]

Imagine not wanting to spend more money to make sure your life is saved. Yikes. This is like cheaping out on the lifeboat for your yacht. You’re seriously going to cheap out on your life saving tool, and not give your self every advantage possible?

[@rolandbubb3398]

Glock 19. Purpose built and Modified because I enjoy target shooting. Happens to be my carry gun because I am good with it. Gen 3 frame. I filled the back strap and shaved the grip to a 1911 type angle. I learned to shoot IPSC with a Colt .45. I found the Glock presented muzzle upwards compared to my 1911 due to the bulge in the back strap so I changed the angle. Installed a Grey Ghost Precision slide and barrel, Trijicon RMR, Tungsten guide rod and spring, and a Timmney Alpha 3lb trigger. I practice and shoot as much as I can. I shoot for fun, not in preparation to shoot a bad guy. Reason for the Mods in relation to carry gun - more accurate so I am less likely to miss and hit an innocent. I wear glasses so the Red Dot gives me a clear sight picture and I can focus on the target compared to iron sights. Smoother trigger so again less likely to pull a miss. It's a tool, not a work of art or safe queen. I don't think about the cost if it ends up in an evidence locker. I believe with a stock Glock I might not be around for it to matter. Same with anything, I want the best tool for the job.

[@rgr3427]

Have heard this before; “intent to kill” was used in a case. The ONLY reason the defendant added these options to his weapon was to make it easier to kill the plaintiff, thus he was looking for someone to kill, not just to defend himself. YIKES ! The addition of “catch” phrases has been used as well; “Born to Kill” emblems and others come to mind. Remember; it can be used against you in a court of law, everything… Be Safe out there.

[@wvdave771]

Well as for sights , can't fault anyone for upgrading glock sights

[@ScottAT]

This is why I carry series 70 1911’s rather than series 80. Considering I actually built my carry gun, they will question my competency as a Gunsmith. I am in a Blue State so it is going to be tough.

[@JJ_SDWR]

99% of firearm enthusiasts don't know the difference between a series 70 1911 vs a series 80, let alone some random DA, so you're carrying a gun based on your own preferences, not because the differences in internal safety mechanisms is slightly different between the two... that's just absurd.

[@ScottAT]

@@JJ_SDWR absurd? Yes, it is based entirely upon preference. Series 80 firing pin block components represent a fourth safety device that increases trigger pull aka greater chance to miss. In it’s place, a Titanium Firing Pin and stock or extra power firing pin spring negates the need for such a device and improves lock time aka accuracy. I built this carry gun with my own hands. I as a lefty use an ambidextrous safety, and I put Maryland Gun Works high visibility sights on it and used Evolution Gun Works internals. I have my own line of what I call “Service Match” M1911-Al’s I build from the frame up. I have been doing this since 1991 and was an apprentice gunsmith, and I hold a degree in Gunsmithing as well as Aviation Technology as I am a retired U.S. Army Aviator. If something is based upon my preference, it is because I have been trained to know what is best, and I can explain that in court. In other words, without prompting I gave my series 70 pistol the same degree of safety as a series 80 without the need for extra parts and made it “California compliant” without prompting. The handgun is not frilly, just a glossy black with walnut grips and some skateboard tape across the front strap because I would rather masturbate with a cheese grater than spend hours checkering the front strap myself because I can’t stand doing it. Edit: what should I have done differently?

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@ScottAT that's great to hear but who asked.

[@HansBelphegor]

@@theKashConnoisseur who asked?

[@theKashConnoisseur]

@@HansBelphegor you don't know either huh?

[@Matt_justlikethat]

I replaced the internal polymer parts with stainless parts and spring for the integrity only. Every S&W revolver was Always sent out for a trigger job to smooth it out. Thanks

[@JohnSmith-bd2re]

I’m a plain Jane, OEM Gen 5 Glock 19 w/trijicon HD night sights

[@Diondjg1369]

The only words / letters on my AR15'S, is the dust cover with the caliber size . Example 300 blk , 5.56 , that's it . I have multiple and it helps me be safer to not put a wrong cartridge in my riffle. 300blk and 5.56 , the only difference is barrel . So it helps .

[@EastTNGunDoctor]

I usually carry a Sig Sauer P938 without any modifications or I carry a Springfield Hellcat OSP with Crimson Trace RAD Green Dot. I wear contacts with one eye distant and one eye near. The CT RAD help be to better see my target and my sights to help with accuracy and to hopefully prevent collateral damage.

[@user-zh2jr2os9m]

This is a great video! I've never thought of modifying guns could impact the legal status. Thanks

[@revv45acp71]

Thanks! Love your videos!

[@MrMech-oj7iy]

Carry what ever gun you are comfortable with and can shoot well regardless of the price, brand, mods or anything else. The safety of you, your family, and friends is too important to overlook no matter the legal or monitary consequences.

[@Pastor.Dragon]

My carry is a SP101 factory modified with a cut down (now 2.25), ported barrel. I bought it used so 🤷‍♂️.

[@moshkid16]

Remember whatever you use to defend youself will also be held up in the court room for all to see and for the jury to observe.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

Imagine having to justify a position that your HiPoint is "just as good" as a Walther or an HK in court lmao.

[@radseven89]

I keep my carry G19 stock in the trigger and internals. I do it more for peace of mind than anything else. I know it's going to work.

[@grbmajor6645]

Ditto. Although, I do change the sights on my Glocks.

[@radseven89]

@@grbmajor6645 For sure, the stock sights leave a lot to be desired.

[@jasestrong]

Great points , thank you!

[@daffidavit]

I carry a standard Canick TP9 Elite S3 with a Romeo Zero red dot sight. It comes with its own holster and two mags, 12 and a 14 round capacities. The only modification is the Romeo Zero red dot, however the gun comes with a special detachable plate and screws intended for a red dot display just for that size handgun.

[@762x69]

Glad to see another Romeo zero user here. Every time I mention mine I always get some bozo saying something snide and going evangelical for the trijicon rmr. Wonder if that's been your experience too, lol.

[@YdoIneedahandle869]

The coffees drink at the same time at the end was so darn cool

[@sublimetulii23]

Yes & everyone claiming it will be used against them in a jury always forget just how scummy lawyers already are & the Rittenhouse trial.

[@jeffholm3503]

I replaced my modified G3 G19 with a stock Sig P365XL Romeo. The Glock was purchased in Kalifornia where selection is limited. Due to my smaller hand size the grip was modified by grinding the finger grooves, reducing the hump, stippling, undercutting the trigger guard, sights, Apex trigger kit, and a 4.5# Ghost connector. Trigger weight and reset pretty much matched my stock P365 so I figured I could make a case for all these mods even though I did them myself. But I decided why risk it. So I bought the XL Romeo and got better sights for my older eyes, almost as much capacity and barrel length while sticking with a stock firearm. The G19 is now relegated to a bedside gun with the addition of a TLR3 light.

[@TheEpictrooper]

Depending on the weather I carry two options. In warmer temperatures I carry a Sig SP2022 stock. It's hammer fired and DA/SA so I can comfortably carry with a round in the chamber since it has no safety. My cold weather option is a Rock Island 1911 in 10mm and the only modification I did to it was to add a slightly flared magwell. Nowhere near a competition flare, but definitly a big improvement over the flat that is there on the factory 1911.

[@jaystevens427]

Definitely a great video! It's sad but true, how something that is cosmetic vs actually being a modified feature of a firearm will and can 100% persuade a non 2a juror....keep that stuff for your range guns

[@hillbillydan4721]

Years ago, can't remember the manufacturer but, they came out with a 38 special named Clyde and a 32 caliber named Bonnie...I read that Massad Ayoob said just because of the names this manufacturer put on these revolvers could possibly get you in jail in case you had to use it to defend yourself !! Just something to keep in mind !! Very informative video !!

[@atfsgeoff]

I carry a bone-stock CZ Shadow 2. Because a factory-built USPSA competition gun also happens to be a superb tool for defensive use. As long as you don't mind lugging around a 3 lb hunk of solid steel.

[@ronaldwilson3503]

Current is Taurus G3C and Glock 17 sometimes. Only mod is sights on G17 only because rear sight was broken off. Cheap metal with glow in the dark inserts was the replacement.

[@Gun_Talk]

"Your honor, I shot threat until he wasn't a threat anymore."

[@andybaker1784]

I usually carry a CZ P01. The only modifications I've done was to replace the grips with solid grey G 10 (nothing flashy) and I replaced the plastic guide rod with a stainless steel one..

[@Aubrey_Yates]

I have a P01 with CF grips. Also, when the trigger return spring broke I replaced all springs with Cajun Works spring kit.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

I customize ALL my guns. ALL are made to facilitate a more refined shooting experience and if I must defend my choice I am doing it to all my guns.

[@Bravo21]

Good points. I would like to add that Ammo can play a role too - always use common, factory defense ammo. Do not use Hand-loads in any carry gun. Carried a Glock 26 Gen1 for about 25yrs, switching to a Taurus G3XL.

[@ETSARMS]

If you face prosecution or litigation for the lawful use of your firearm and they bring up your firearm modifications, the best way to combat their allegations is to defend them by stating that the goal of any lawful use of a firearm is to stop the threat in the safest possible way with as little risk to innocent bystanders as possible. Then explain that the modifications to your firearm are intended to do so, by making your ability to aim and fire the weapon as accurately as possible, while engaging an active threat to you and/or others. This includes things such as trigger jobs, night sights, lasers or lights, grip texturing/stippling, and even suppressors.

[@marsoelflaco5722]

Put a rainbow print on your firearm, accented with stars and pixies...that would really baffle your opponents.✌🏽

[@6Sally5]

My edc is 9mm Shield Plus…no mods of any kind…it’s perfect right out of the box. However…i recently purchased a Taurus 856 .38sp and it may take over as ecd after I change the trigger/hammer springs.

[@happyogre3080]

I carry my Sig P320 chambered in .45 acp. With so many variations out there and so many interchangeable parts, who's to say how it came out of the box. It definitely isn't a flashy gun because it is my daily carry gun. I unload and reload daily and train with it at the range regularly to ensure functionality. I rotate my ammo and periodically check cartridges for bullet seating discrepancies.

[@porchpooch4]

I currently carry a stock Glock 22 with factory sights. I have just purchased a Glock 19X and I am having a Holosun 507C installed on it to help my older eyes. I also have a TRL7 light on it to positively identify what I am aiming at in low light situations. Hopefully I will never have to pull it out and use it. I don't consider it flashy, but you make some very good points about thinking from the other side. I might upgrade the trigger group if I can determine what is the best one out there. I would not want it to be flashy or bright colors, I would rather have someone not know it is a high end trigger until they fired it.

[@S1L3NTG4M3R]

THANKS

[@newguy2794]

Perception over reality...so sad that America has come to this. Crap...now I have think about carrying a less expensive gun.

[@docternoblex]

I carry a stock Browning BDM, not for any functional reason, but because it is the gun I have been carrying since I was first able to conceal carry

[@LastResortGameNews]

I carry a Sig P320 with an M18 FCU module. When I holster carry I use a Wilson grip module in the carry size format with a Wilson extended slide lock lever and a stainless Wilson extended magazine release. I use a factory OEM stainless P320 XSeries optic ready 3.9" Slide and Faxon 3.9" non-threaded barrel (civilian market style with no LCI notch). The only other flair on the pistol is an engraved basketweave pattern aluminum slide plate from NDZ When I carry without a holster (inside elastic waistband) I use the M18 FCU in a factory OEM small size format carry grip module in FDE color with a black Houge rubber grip sleeve. I use the factory M18 slide in FDE PVD and factory 3.9" barrel (military style with LCI notch). The slide plate is a belt clip style aftermarket device.

[@XuroX.]

Ok

[@cccalifornia7206]

Love Brownell's!!! Thanks guys!!👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😃

[@bradlayton8570]

My carry gun is the Glock 43, with no modifications to the gun itself. However, I have changed out the magazine springs (MagGuts) and added minimal mag extensions (MagGuts, Pearce) for better grip and additional rounds.

[@Mark-dr5xi]

Love your videos overall-this is a GREAT subject-the fault would be speaking to lawyers-not because they aren’t knowledgeable-because they get paid to argue all subjects from a 360 perspective. They will bring up all the things you mentioned and more-BUT the case centers around, as you point out, good or bad shoot. The rest of that stuff is smoke - with exceptionally little benefit. An argument could be made that a scary gun might stop somebody from committing a horrific act. I live in the worst state in the Union for guns-CA. I modify my guns grips, sights and magazine disconnect. Why? I am a 34 year honorably retired law enforcement executive. I have been trained and have trained others to make legal and policy conforming changes to their weapon to achieve the best result for accuracy. Not accuracy for hurting people more effectively, accuracy for safety purposes when training to build efficiency in shot placement. Every law enforcement professional I know does not own a gun without the magazine disconnect function disabled. Why? We are trained to be able to do a hot reload - and I sure hope like hell I can fire my last remaining live round if I have to when changing magazines to reload. I do agree with ignorant sayings on gun parts etc-because they will try to show intent and or malice with some idiotic saying or image on a gun. I have been carrying a gun legally since 1972, and fortunately have not had to shoot somebody in the line of duty, off- duty or in retired status…but I guarantee you that IF that unfortunate circumstance presents itself-I will be ready with consistent training and the safest and most efficient gun for my personal protection purposes-without regard for what my weapon looks like. Keep up the good work!

[@sleepy6651]

As you two noted, make sure it's a good shoot. I carry a Wilson Combat SFX (not the cheapest carry pistol) which is small, light, and easily concealed. The SFX9 has no modifications as it doesn't need any upgrading. I was carrying a Glock 19 Gen5 with a drop in trigger and different sights. Nothing wrong that pistol except it's bigger and heavier. The Wilson Combat cost more but I am not planning on using it (meaning I hope not to find myself in a position to use it).

[@EstebanInTexas]

Hello. I rotate between a stock glock 48 & a glock 19 with a factory mounted SCS Green dot. love both.

[@Austin_H_1900]

I carry a Walther PPQ with the 4” barrel in 9mm. The only things I have changed from when I first bought it has been to switch to the smaller grip and add a 1,000 lumen light. It really doesn’t need any other upgrades.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I currently own a LE 🚔 version of the Walther PDP Compact 9mm. It came with factory night sights, 3 factory Walther mags(15rd). It really does not need a pile of custom parts or add-ons. The PDP trigger is ✅️. Grips: right hand are natural, smooth. I'd suggest a PDP model to any LE officer or CCW user.

[@Austin_H_1900]

@@DavidLLambertmobile I saw the reviews when it came out. It looks awesome, and I definitely want to buy it. I’m just waiting till I having money that can go to that purchase. Bills ya know?

[@godfreylebron7078]

Great advice. Most attorneys will not get an expert to go over the firearm unless it’s a high capacity shooting event. Even the most conservative pro 2A jurors could be swayed by intent should you have a negative comment on your firearm .

[@deejayimm]

Imagine how much better this country would be if we would reform the justice system, and turn it into something that isn't a game that lawyers play using the lives and livelihoods of people?

[@houseofosborne1173]

It should be illegal in court to question the fact that you have a firearm the same way it is illegal in court to question remaining silent.

[@Beanmachine9198]

Very interesting guys👍, I’d try to get the Louisiana man to do my work, can’t go wrong, 😎

[@marktaniguchi7901]

Some issuing Departments here in Kalifornia will not allow modified handguns on your CCW. If you modify it after your CCW is issued, they will automatically void your CCW.

[@slimpickens8644]

I completely agree. Changing trigger weight/sights/grip might be brought up by the prosecutor (remember how Binger tried to make a big deal out of Kyle using fmj ammo), but it is refutable. Simply speaking, putting an RDS on your Glock is not the same as walking around with a hand grenade with no pin. But the cosmetics is useless in terms of combat efficiency and is hardly defensible.

[@marksd5650]

I carry a Sig Sauer P229 Legion. The only modification is an Armory Craft low mass hammer.

[@JBsX39]

Stock Glock 19 with a 21 round spare mag. The only upgrade I had done was night sights and some hockey tape on the grip. I will eventually add a light.

[@Jason-oo4jg]

Next Smyth Buater episode - you NEED a Red Dot on your pistol to shoot accurately vs. Iron Sights.

[@YellowHammer26]

I carry a s&w shield 9mm EZ and sometimes a s&w j frame 38 spl . Only modification I’ve ever made is to put a front night sight on my shield. I think the main thing about all of this is what part of the country you live in. The part of the south I live in none of these modifications are going to matter as far as being brought up in court, at least as far as I’ve seen or heard about.

[@theoriginaljohngalt2450]

Th Shield is a nice option which is reliable and cheap. Especially the 1st gen model. $300, or less, to purchase is a lot better than double the price of some other firearms.

[@p00lboy]

i have a few carry guns i rotate thru depending on my a variety of things 1st gen m&p shield in .40 bone stock inside with talon grips a fnx45t talon grips holosun green dot and a light a 1969 colt python ... it was an old leo gun and might have had a trigger job and i got some shooters grips on it

[@phillipjones4251]

I carried a Glock 27 for years, even though I have had lots of experience “inside a Glock” I am not a gunsmith so I actually had Caleb do some minor enhancements to my carry Glock when he was at a gun store in Baton Rouge. I now carry a Sig P320 X-Compact that is 100% factory stock and will remain that way. I teach concealed carry classes in Louisiana, Although there are no laws that prohibit the modification of a carry gun, I always encourage my students to leave them original or have a certified gunsmith perform the work. A “stock gun” will not clear a person from a negligent shooting and a modified gun will not convict a person in the event of a clear self defense shooting but a modified gun can definitely cloud a clear self defense case. Phillip Jones

[@dhannaecg]

I carry a stock M&P performance center shield plus. Now! While I’ve never heard of a modification becoming an issue in a defensive shooting, I was hired as an expert witness for the defense in a murder trial (State v. William Thomas Gule, Jr.) where the defendant was claiming a modified trigger was the cause of him shooting his baby’s mama 4 times in the face. The pistol in question was a Glock 43 that the defendant said he installed a 3.5# connector in and that the modification caused the Glock to discharge unintentionally & fully auto. I explained how the pistol worked & test fired it to show both sides it functioned correctly, needless to say I couldn’t help the defense out so he paid me and cut me loose. But when the case came to trial, the state subpoenaed me as a witness. He was sentenced to 40 years.

[@biggerbehindthetrigger2814]

I have a bone stock Para Ordnance Expert 1911. It shot great out of the box. I didn't have to do anything to it.

[@762x69]

Throwing in my two cents. Currently running my g43 with mods being one pinky extension 🎃 I know and the other a Romeo Zero optic. I do plan on switching to my p10s once sighted in but my m&p 2.0 compact may be my full size carry once I finish the dot and timney trigger upgrade. Which I only feel comfortable doing since I've always made car modifications without issue in the past of it playing a negative impact legally.

[@joemcdonald4400]

I have a Taurus g2c that I changed the trigger on because the trigger safety was catching so I installed a keep tinkering trigger and spring. There is no trigger safety now and I use the external safety, which is slower because L would have carried using only the trigger safety like many other striker fired pistol.

[@fellixx11]

This is sound advice but in the end, it all depends on if the prosecutor is after justice or a conviction at any cost. I have observed cases where a prosecutor went after a defendant that used ball ammunition because it could pass through the victim and injure more people. Yet, the same prosecutor will go after another defendant that used hollow point ammunition because it fragments, expands or "explodes" and thus causes more significant wounds. Some of these prosecutors will try to use anything to get a conviction.

[@justinjustice4253]

And that is an issue that should be brought to the forefront of social issues. Trials, especially with firearms involved, have been turned into politlcal witch-hunts, where prosecutors attempt to win brownie points with the public or politicians (in an attempt to secure their job or a better one). Instead, prosecutors should be held to the standard to uphold justice instead of obtain a conviction at all costs. Unfortunately, most prosecutors are in their positions because they have political aspirations, or they aren't successful in a private practice. Very few do it because they are committed to upholding justice. The old joke goes "What do you call the person who graduated at the bottom of his Med School class? Doctor." Attorneys are in fact license, trained professionals. However most people's experiences show that good attorneys usually specialize in business, corporate, or high-profile criminal defense. Cases that are far more lucrative. A good lawyer is more valuable and is able to make more money, and the money is not in prosecuting (while they may live a comfortable life far exceeding the average American, they are by no means rich).

[@chkpnt-fq5rv]

Custom mods don't always indicate they were done for performance reasons. I replaced the grips on my S&W J frame because the rubber on the stock rubber over plastic grips came off and replacement stock grips weren't available at the time because of the Covid gun rush. i replace sights on pistols so they all have consistent sight pictures and with my old man far sightedness I have trouble seeing certain sights. Not to mention stock Glock plastic sights are easily damaged.

[@zsoderquist]

My EDC is a Canik TP9 Elite SC with a Hidden Hybrid holster setup for appendix carry. I ordered my Canik with a factory mounted Red Dot and have done no modifications to the gun. I also only carry Hornady Critical Defense factory ammo.

[@edallen5711]

My carry guns are Hellcats (1 with red dot, 1 with laser), M&P Shield 9mm, and Springfield Ronan EMP 4" barrel. The only mods would be the laser and red dot on the Hellcats. One for day use, the laser for night use. For home I have a XD 9mm with light, an XD 10mm and 1911.

[@luxuriousgreen9714]

I had a run in with my P80, I engraved “We The People”, “1773” & 2 Grim Reaper Scythes which were on the side of my brownells barrel. It never came up in court, in fact the responding officer “lost” my gun so the judge threw the case out.

[@FormerVicePresidentDickVeiny]

Hahahaha WINNING. God I love when cops foul shit up for the benefit of the good guys

[@marknorwood7521]

"Lost"?😏

[@luxuriousgreen9714]

@@marknorwood7521 yes, “lost” that’s exactly what the judge told my lawyer.

[@luxuriousgreen9714]

@@FormerVicePresidentDickVeiny trust I was happy.

[@davidgcalderone]

I carry either a revolver or a semi, depending on what I am doing and where I am going, only upgrade was better sights on the semi.

[@tonyl3762]

A stock Walther PDP makes a trigger upgrade unnecessary. Safer to just buy stock gun with trigger you want.

[@Flashhood1425]

I feel like if the crux of your defense case after a shooting is hinging on the features of your weapon… you might be in a bad spot to begin with.

[@theKashConnoisseur]

If only people could choose to only be in self defense situations in favorable jurisdictions.... but in reality, with the same case facts, you can get two different trial results depending on the county the case is tried in. Get a rabid anti-2A prosecutor and a jury made up if people who only know about guns from watching TV, and all of a sudden those stupid cosmetic features become as important as whether you were justified in self defense.

[@rebel._]

you know you're part of a failing country when you have to ask what you can do with you're own property

[@Martinroadsguy]

Why's that?

[@goobcity]

@@Martinroadsguy morons run the show now

[@savagedabs8536]

You're comparing apples to oranges, is all your property solely designed to kill? What are you doing to change our country besides commenting bs on youtube?

[@timrobinson6573]

That was the souths argument regarding their property.

[@rebel._]

@@savagedabs8536 working on starting a political party

[@chriscrawford3809]

My carry Glocks are stock except for the sights and extended slide locks! The other reason I don’t modify them is for reliability reasons!

[@dons8365]

I carry Shield Plus Performance Center stock with Safariland holster.

[@caleb6988]

The only mod I've done is adding a extended base plate on my Glock magazine for an extra 5 rounds.