Snake, SNAKE? ODSSYEUS!!! | Overly Sarcastic Productions

[@gabrieldoyen692]

Fun tidbit, when Penelope and Odysseus went back together to enjoy their first night in 20 years, Athena specifically asked the goddess of dawn to let the night last longer than usual, so they could enjoy it longer. Man, Ajax was right, Athena really watch over Odysseus like she's his mother.

[@davidkoudelka10]

People like to remind everyone of Athena’s questionable deeds (I personally believe Medusa was always a gorgon) but everyone forgets the good she’s done. Here, she was a bro.😎👍

[@calypso_isle]

@@davidkoudelka10 Well considering the original myth of Medusa, before it was rewritten with an anti-gods/anti-authority bias by Ovid, has her born as a gorgon without Athena even involved, your personal feelings are validated!

[@snakegirl1925]

thats amazinf omfg adorable

[@wash016]

26:31 yes Penelope and Odysseus were made for each other. Red doesn't go into it as much cause "summary" but the entire time Odysseus is lost at sea, Penelope is pulling trick after trick to get out of being forced to remarry.

[@cutedog3211]

Yeah like the making and unmaking of the dress

[@viktormadzov5286]

So about the Odysseus and dog age thing -The Trojen war and Odyssy last 10 years each ( total 20) - Odysseus was in his early 20's when he left for Troy, so his around 40 when he finally gets back. So he is NOT an old man when he gets back. Most people died young and anchant times, they didnt have shorter lifespan. -24:20 As for Argos. Dogs in ideal curcamstances have been known to live above 20, and a handfull were even pushed 30. So Argos here is preaty much 100+ years old, and survining in filth and neglect through shear willpower.

[@samiamtheman7379]

And it's touching because 1, dogs are known to wait for their owners when they're gone, especially ones who are off to war, and 2, the wait was worth it because he got to see Odysseus one more time before passing away.

[@viktormadzov5286]

@@samiamtheman7379 I know right. This is kind of of a happy ending version of Hachikun when you think about it. Also fun fact, I actually read the Odyssy (well, a prose version of the story) when I was young. I was familiar with most of the big scenes from the story through pop culture and movies, so I though I knew what I was getting myself into. I was not prepared when this scene come out of nowhere and made me bawl my eyes out. Nothing else in the book got me anywhere near as emotional as that moment, and I'm genuinely surprised that this part of the story had never been adapted in anything

[@KebaRPG]

Aside from your spelling errors; it is a myth that most people died in their 30s through 40s. The average overall population age at time of death is skewed by 15% to 20% dying of childhood diseases; and another 20% to 30% for women were complication of childbirth; another 20% to 30% for men were dying in local wars; but once a woman reached menopause and men retired from conscripted service in the local army they often lived to their 70s to 80s.

[@viktormadzov5286]

@@KebaRPG And did I say anything about people dieing in there 30s-40s in anchant time? When I said "most people died young in anchant times", that WAS refearing to early childhood mortality, deseases, wars, enviromental hazards, and other factors that skewed the avarage life span so low in anchant times. Most people DID die well before they reached 40 years of age, but like I said, that nothing to do with different lifespans. We boath made it a point to clear up the exact same misconception. Im well aware that my spelling is abysmal (english is not my first language), but thats no excuse for not paying atention to what people are saying.

[@williamrichards8682]

So, the solid snake joke started in The Iliad summarized, which was the first drawn episode Red did. You've reacted to the Trojan War oversimplified, which encompasses the larger story of the war, rather than just the Iliad.

[@jannegrey]

"weird colorpallete", "Never seen him before", "Magic smoke still dissipating" - yeah. Red's handwriting got a lot better. EDIT: And I should probably add that my handwriting was terrible - to the point that to pass the exam at the end of the school I had to spend most of my time on written part almost drawing the damn words. People joked that I should be a doctor, because they cannot read my writing. Since I haven't written now in almost 10 years - it has become impossible for me to write anything in a readable manner. So I have to use "Printed letters", so basically CAPS.

[@gokbay3057]

My handwriting is also terrible! Also since Airier had trouble here as well 5:52: "kid hits 20, thinks he owns the place." "Wait, but doesn't he technically own the kingdom?"

[@jannegrey]

@@gokbay3057 Yeah. I had problem with that panel initially as well. And with couple others where I couldn't guess the word from context.

[@CalliopePony]

It's a matter of much debate over if and when Penelope recognized Odysseus. It's not clear whether or not she suspected him when he was disguised as a beggar. Also, even after he revealed himself she didn't accept that it was really him until she tricked him into saying something only her husband would know (which for some reason was cut out of this synopsis), because other people had tried to trick her into thinking that they were him.

[@CGomm-le7gv]

In the 97 min series it was the marriage bed was to be move which would mean cutting a tree don't know if it was same in actual story

[@CalliopePony]

@@CGomm-le7gv Yes. He carved one of the bed posts from an olive tree that was still rooted in the ground. Penelope told him that the bed had been moved from the room, and he freaked out about someone cutting the tree and moving the bed. Only they knew that the bed was rooted, so that's how she knew for sure that it really was Odysseus.

[@nelleneulmer5385]

1:12 that would be Agamemnon’s wife standing over Agamemnon. She did that as payback for sacrificing their daughter to the gods to make the winds blow so his fleet could sail to Troy.

[@gokbay3057]

9:35 Greeks did care enough about marriage to have a major goddess dedicated to it. Just because the Greek Gods themselves usually don't care about marriage doesn't change the fact that it was a pretty big thing. I mean Penelope has suitors who are trying to marry her to take over the kingdom rather than just trying to take it over by force. I feel like they would have been able to force the matter if they tried considering it doesn't seem like anyone was able to throw them out of the Palace until Odysseus came back. 21:53 It is also the name of a city relatively close to Sparta. One of its traditional enemies iirc. 24:38 Trojan War is 9-10 years. The voyage also 10 years. So yeah, Odysseus has been away for circa 20 years.

[@Blahblah97555]

17:00 Ajax the greater (or Aias, for those who prefer the Greek names and/or the EMIYA fans in the room) was the strongest hero of the Greek army not named Achilles, with the best shield in the Greek army aside from Achilles’. So, when Achilles died and the Greeks were deciding who should get his cool god armor and shield, Ajax seemed like the natural pick. But, Odysseus talks the council into letting him take the armor instead. In all tellings (including some pottery that I think predates our textual tellings), this eventually results in Ajax diving stomach first onto his own sword, but in some tellings this is after he kills all the Greeks’ cattle in a fit of rage (sometimes as a result of divine-induced madness, though in a few tellings he was actually trying to kill the council and was placed under an illusion to see the cattle as them).

[@CalliopePony]

In the original text Odysseus was absolutely sleeping with Calypso while he was on her island. There's no ambiguity in the text. He says they went to bed together.

[@Airier]

That makes more sense.

[@kingofdragons7]

If i'm not mistaken, Odysseus didn't want to so basically, Calypso forced herself on him

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

​@@kingofdragons7Oh yeah (almost) everybody's favourite way to express their love to someone else in Greek mythology.

[@jkosch]

Later traditions in antiquity also very much say Circe and Odysseus had a child - Telegonos (there are also others, like Agrius and Latinus mentioned in some sources). In some tales from antiquity Telogonos marries Penelope after Odysseus deatha nd Telemachus marries Circe.

[@vladprus4019]

​@@jkosch So crack shippers were clearly a thing back than as well

[@Justic_]

Well, FGO DID have some Odyssey, specifically through Circe, although she really focused more on Medea being her niece than her meeting with Odysseus... until we actually got Odysseus. Anyways, about Odysseus' faithfullness... there's a few stories that build on him NOT being faithful. There's one in particular where, iirc, he has a son with Circe who meets Odysseus' fresh widow Penelope, hooks up with her, and then they meet Circe and Odysseus' son hooks up with Circe... FGO luckily completely ignored that one because the entire event that added Odysseus was about Circe finally properly processing her unrequited love. Also I'm pretty sure there's a few tellings where he had a kid with Calypso... As for Helen of Troy surviving... yeah, makes sense she would, after all the whole Trojan war was about getting her back, would've defeated the purpose if they went to take her back and then just massacred her with the entire rest of Troy. On the topic of Scylla, while Red described her as... not too good looking, her name seem to actually be relatively commonly used for Octopus-girls, the mermaid-like kind... which is also how Red kinda drew her. So... there DEFINITELY are people that would've been into her. And yeah, Odysseus would've already been quite old at that point. ACHILLES was a teen when he was enlisted for the Trojan war, and Odysseus was the one who went to get him. Odysseus' son was also just born at that point, so... gonna guess he was like 30 at that point... and at the point where he gets back to Ithaca, his son is 20, so Odysseus has gotta be in his 50s at that point... which for the standards back then would've DEFINITELY been old. (fittingly, Odysseus in FGO is also summoned as an older-looking man with mostly silver hair) Also yeah, that would've been the first time Odysseus' son saw him... To get into the weird Fate-facts about Odysseus, appearently the writers thought that Odysseus was SUCH a looker that they could believably give him the Aegis, given to him by Athena in form of a super cool mech-suit (with a conspicuous chest-window...) and she appearently gave it to him because she ALSO wanted a piece of his cake... also the Trojan Horse in Fate could actually transform into a super cool Gundam, because the writers just seem to love mecha.

[@jannegrey]

I think him being "Solid Snake" was a joke in "Illiad" video. This is sort of "part 2".

[@nelleneulmer5385]

You should check out the songs from “Epic” the musical. It’s more modern rock style music and portrays the story around how Odysseus should have been more ruthless on his journey and revolves around the one song line “ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves”.

[@estela_mobba5394]

YES PLEASE IM BEGGING ON MY KNEES

[@nelleneulmer5385]

@@estela_mobba5394 I love your enthusiasm but you need to tell Airier too. Unless he reads your reply to me.

[@estela_mobba5394]

@@nelleneulmer5385 i already did hehe, but i'm happy there are other people asking for this since the other youtubers reacting to Epic's songs are like 2 others and i'm hungry for more content about Epic lmao

[@nelleneulmer5385]

@@estela_mobba5394 you should check out the “Epic” song animatics on KZbin. That’s how I found out about the songs and the musical in general, and a lot of them are REALLY COOL. I’m not sure if you know what animatics are but they are amateur penciled animations that are more like storyboards. If you ever looked at the deleted scenes of some animated movies on dvd (no jokes about my age please) they are done that way, jerky motion and all.

[@nelleneulmer5385]

@@estela_mobba5394 you should check out the song animatics on KZbin.

[@samrevlej9331]

Sooooo... the Solid Snake thing starts in the Iliad. Which Red also covered. Which you probably should've watched before this one.

[@Kaymazo]

Yes Helen lived. Menelaos and Helen are the only two people who basically don't have horrible fates in the aftermath of the Trojan War, iirc.

[@9Godslayer]

I just realized how weird it was for Zeus to not turn Odysseus' home into a slaughterhouse and can only assume that the suitors used some hospitality loophole to not get smote.

[@Talon1124]

"What's the story Wishbone? What's this you're dreaming of? Such big imagination, on such a little pup~. What's the story Wishbone? Do you think it's worth a look? It kinda seems familiar, like a story from a book~." I loved Wishbone.

[@wash016]

A fellow Wishbone enjoyer, I see! You, sir, are a man of culture! I salute you!

[@HBHaga]

The Odyssey mini-series from Hallmark (1997) was quite good with Armand Asante in the lead role. This is some of Red's earliest art for the channel. At one point I seem to recall her saying that she was doing the drawing in a sketchbook and then scanning it in for the videos whereas these days she's doing it all on the computer. She started doing this with the Iliad because, unlike with previous works, she couldn't find any good video clips to work with besides Troy.

[@geminiqueen7388]

Argos lived 20 years. He didn’t even get headpats when he died… justice for Argos

[@Rainears129]

This was the second video she animated. The Illiad (or Troy Story) was the first one. I recommend checking it out. Also, the Shakespeare stuff is mostly from when the beginning of the channel, like before Blue joined, and at least a few (probably) date to back when the channel was called "Red Eyes, Take Warning" which is where Red's name comes from (I don't know for sure because I started watching OSP back like when Red covered Eros and Psyche, which was long after Blue joined).

[@9Godslayer]

As someone who writes exclusively in cursive, except for signing documents, I forget how much trouble people have reading it. To be fair, Red _was_ writing like an ICU doctor that just finished a 48-hour shift.

[@annekeener4119]

Odysseus=Solid Snake started in the Iliad video due to Odysseus’s famous stealth mission to steal a religious statue from the Trojans but continued in the Odyssey video. Those two videos created the running joke.

[@PurpleLugia]

5:39 "LOL Whatever""Kid hits 20, thinks he owns the place""Wait, but doesn't she technically own the kingdom?""Shhhh ha ha ha ha" 9:52 I thought I heard somewhere that more than anything else Poseidon (or was it Zeus?) was beefing with Odysseus because of Ody inventing the Trojan horse trick that settled the war, the war the gods were using as a proxy for their own dispute: "Human ingenuity won our war? Wait, that's illegal!"

[@yoannbelleville7763]

Athena was a total bro with Odysseus. She even asked Aurora (godess of the dawn) to let night last a little longer after he reunited with Pelenope so that they would have more time together.

[@SwordlordRoy]

To be fair to the Ancient Greeks and their morality: People often seem to forget that this was about 800 years, and they were highly fragmented into dozens of City-States that typically hated each other's guts except when someone decided to invade from outside. As such, views on thing such as marriage varied wildly, sometimes even within one lifetime (Yes, Plato did say something about Male on male romantic relationships being the purest form of love...or at least something similar. Those who tend to bring this up also tend to leave out that he later wrote something to the effect than anyone involved in such a relationship was to be shunned...Just as an example). As such, it is entirely possible that when and where this version of the Odyssey was written, monogamous relationships were considered the norm.

[@elizabethlee2136]

Haha. You mispelled Odysseus. I am such a troll. I have become what I despise and I love it.

[@Airier]

Oops. Gonna fix that.

[@jannegrey]

@@Airier Already seen it ;)

[@Thatguywithaspoon2]

@@Airierlies

[@jellyowl2644]

I also have bad handwriting, seeing red have bad writing makes me feel slightly less bad about it

[@fang609]

Oh God the original video is almost as old as it took for Odysseus to get home..... Christ I feel my age

[@Blossom319-fx7tg]

Before he left Ithaca for war his prophet said he would not be home 20 (didn't say years) so Odysseus assumed weeks or months

[@AHorrorFanatic]

30:39 You should chackout Epic: The Musical. It is a musical adaptation of the Odyssey that don't currently have official visuals but there are tons of amazing animatics for it.

[@estela_mobba5394]

YESS PLEASE THERE ARE ONLY LIKE 2 OTHER KZbinRS REACTING TO THEM WITH LIKE 100 VIEWS I NEED MOREEE

[@AHorrorFanatic]

@@estela_mobba5394 I'm actually currently watching an epic reaction.

[@loganfrandrup6590]

3:32 oh my god, I haven't thought about Wish Bone in years! That name has been completly blanked out from my memory until today! I do particularly remeber the episode on hercules.

[@Jake9066]

Thanks Airier, I forgot Wishbone existed and now I have "What's the story, Wishbone?" stuck in my head

[@insanemakaioshin]

Greek boats had a crew of 140.

[@masqueraid988]

If it makes you feel better, celtic mythology has 2 guys who swap places that become good freinds because they could keep it in their pants. Arwen, if i remember how to spell it. Its weird how many death gods are just the most chill and loving gods despite what most depictions of death there are.

[@CuriousGuyOnline]

Pwyll and Arawn, right? He’s already seen the OSP video on them

[@masqueraid988]

@@CuriousGuyOnline yeah, it's been a bit since I did my school project on it.

[@jrr2480]

You should watch the Odyssey mini series 1997 by Hallmark. It's free on KZbin. Also, the Jim Henson Creature Shop did the special effects.

[@jkosch]

You still need to watch/react to the other parts of Dante's Divine comedy: Purgatorio and Paradiso. They are totally worth it, they are old videos of Red as well and they are kindda required to watch the College Hell video.

[@lydiahansen9798]

I was so glad to see you come back to OSP, you are the only one to do all the reading. Also the Snake stuff comes from the Iliad.

[@CGomm-le7gv]

The 97 min series with Armand assante was good and judging by this video was also fairly accurate to the story

[@belisauriusfish9406]

Goldfish actually have a lifespan of 10-15 years when properly cared for, with the record being 30 years, so the same goldfish for a decade isn’t too weird!

[@Bezaliel13]

14:39 15:10 15:52 Hubba hubba ngl. 18:07 Huh, what is the bird version of a furry?

[@-blackfistsredblades1238]

Response to 27:20: Out of all the weapons I ever seen from greece or rome, I never hear anything about axes. Weird even more conisdering ancient egypt, north europe and the middle east have these weapons and would do trade. Also wood cutting. I never picture someone from greece, athens or rome with an axe.

[@WraythSkitzofrenik]

YAY WISHBONE! Did you know there was a 90s pc game based on Wishbone becoming Odysseus?

[@Airier]

First I've heard of it. 😯

[@WraythSkitzofrenik]

@@Airier it's really fun, I'm sure you could find an emulator

[@abdullahadel6925]

I know you would love the epic musical

[@leeshajoi]

It's an *extremely* loose adaptation, but I recommend the Coen Brothers' movie "O Brother, Where Art Thou?"

[@Charvale]

You're entertaining, Airier. It's why someone would skip to the end. As for Wishbone - NO! I refuse to watch. The Trojan War took 10 years, so that dog held on for two decades - by sheer force of will, only to die after seeing him one last time! Best part in the mini-series with Armand Assante (I highly recommend, it is awesome!) was when the wife and servants all closed the doors to keep the suitors in the room with Odysseus and Telemachus... and a good time was had by all (you know, except the suitors)!

[@Elemessclr]

I know it's been a while since you watched sky pirate girlfriends but you GOTTA watch dogs in love.

[@seanfulldark]

Well it kind of helps when he's also recruiting party members as well as a Fire Emblem protagonist! Look there just got a lot of filler stats because the game devs decided hey permadeath is a really great idea but also we want to make sure somebody actually reaches the end of the game so we're just going to dump new party members every chapter! You know they just released a new video another time that Loki nearly killed everybody!

[@TheArcSet]

The Wishbone CD-Rom!

[@samrevlej9331]

8:20 First off, Odysseus definitely did the deed with Circe, so the monogamy thing is to be nuanced. And in a lot of retelling, he does it with Calypso too; he doesn't so much miss his wife as his home and his place as king. Second, you gotta stop it with this weird pseudo-conspiracy theorist Protestant thing of "The Church coming in and modifying history". Stories like the Odyssey get transcribed and modified slowly with copies of copies, and some medieval Byzantine scholars, who happened to be Christian (Orthodox though) may have altered some passages (don't know though), but every culture does that. It's not a secret Vatican cabal telling them to change the history, just people with certain beliefs due to their education as priests thinking "okay contemporary audiences aren't going to get it so might as well tweak the story a little". Third, that's an interesting point about morals and views on marriage changing, but I'm pretty sure being in love with your wife wasn't universally regarded as weird. A lot of philosophers in Greco-Roman times probably developed the idea that marrying someone you loved was succumbing to your passions instead of marrying rationally the best economic and political match for you or something, but it probably wasn't everybody.

[@theflotingheadproduc]

Hell yeah, Wishbone! 😁✨

[@andrewbradnum9099]

6:44 well if she was dead then what would be the point of going to war for her

[@tadeolaguarda6965]

My knoledge of the Odyssey is basically limited by it's non oficial musical

[@supremefankai5480]

Odysseus is really tired of all this shit. So many dumb people surrounding him cancelled out his awesomeness

[@Kairukurumi]

Yeah you watched these all out of order You were supposed to do The Iliad followed by The Odyssey followed by the Aenid and THEN The Trojan war video but you watched number four first and now you're watching number two lol

[@RealityInk]

You haven't done the first book yet this is just the trip home. You also haven't done the Aneid. Its a lot more finished.

[@Rosie-is-dead]

You see this! We got a fix it epic the musical…

[@CommissarMitch]

Speaking of the Pros and Poetic Edda!

[@anaursu3720]

If you like the Odyssey, you should give Epic: the musical a shot. It's amazing, I'm sure you'll love it

[@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS]

i also i watch wish bone has a kid

[@jannegrey]

If It is what I think it is, it is glorious!

[@dakkath414]

Wow, Airier, Red's handwriting isn't THAT bad (it's also not cursive)

[@jennybrown7834]

Wishbone is awesome

[@notagreen-fiend9029]

5:02 - 5:18 & 5:40-5:59 *@Airier* Buddy. Intentionally reading that dumb can not be good for your psyche in the long-term..........y-y-You were reading it silly on purpose, right?... ...You know/knew what the words were, right?... ... 😶... ... ..right? 18:01 Oh, thank goodness. You were mocking. ... ... ..right? lol

[@GKingBrandon]

Does he have reading problems 🤔

[@jacintacapelety9600]

"I hate cursive." Cursive?! Sir, that's not cursive! That's print! Airier, I mean this sincerely and not as an insult; have you looked into the possibility that you may be dyslexic? You seem to consistently struggle with reading text in videos.

[@TalasDD]

you realy!!! need to practice reading cursive.

[@Jgaldragon]

"What's the story Wishbone!" Got introduce to a LOT of stories and authors by that show!