THE TRIAC (LCS 2022 CoStreams | Summer Split | Week 1 - Day 3)

[@SnipingHobo_]

▼ Time Stamps [0:00:00] Game 1: 100 vs DIG - [0:04:03] Thoughts on River: Over-rated or bad teammates? - [0:06:50] Podcast: More time played on other games while being a LoL pro - [0:11:21] Podcast: Thoughts on veigarv2's Ezreal build video (part 1) - [0:22:34] FakeGod was known as "Montage Maker" within the LCS [0:26:38] Game 2: FLY vs EG - [0:48:36] Vulcan's Sona triggers Sneaky [0:51:07] Game 3: TL vs C9 - [0:52:15] Doublelift's jab at k1ng in Champions Queue (ft. Jensen & Blaber) - [1:01:09] Podcast: ADC and Jungler Build Versatility - [1:09:26] Doublelift's Miracle Whip Story [1:13:48] Podcast: The Morality of Sponsored Gambling on Stream (xQc & Stake) [1:21:05] Game 4: GG vs CLG [1:44:43] Post-Game: Thoughts & Analysis [1:46:47] Commenting on veigarv2's Ezreal build video (part 2) [1:49:59] Game 5: IMT vs TSM - [2:00:18] PowerOfEvil's Azir build amazes the tri-cast [2:19:32] Thoughts on C9 and Zven Support Note that Riot Games allows direct LCS co-streaming only during the "Super Weeks" (Weeks 1 and 8) and playoffs. Sneaky is unlikely (don't count on him...) to live-view the remaining weeks. Next tri-cast *should* be W8D1 on August 12.

[@kimjunghoon02]

So sad I hate to wait until August 12 for more SnipingHobo LCS banger uploads. Ill just watch Sneaky Gaming until then lol

[@zjarosz]

You're the best

[@RAGINGTomato10]

Man the editor for these vids has stepped it up big time recently. The effort to show context to clips they're talking about like the xQC clip on the last video makes the viewing experience so much better. And adding snips of item/champions stats/abilities/interactions as well. Great job

[@coledalton890]

Editor needs a well deserved raise

[@MrMindCraft11]

I feel like he's been doin that sort of thing for a while (maybe not clips though). it really enhances the videos imo

[@MegaPetar11]

24:05 he even makes sure he doesnt spoil the game results

[@hippiedonut1]

@@coledalton890 nice try mr editor

[@chizzledong6384]

these videos are my all time favourites on all of youtube to be completely honest. i get to watch all the lcs games in condensed time and some banter and infos from some of my favourite dudes, awesome work editor, much love :)

[@Rivalryxx]

Love them, always a good watch

[@iGoValkyrie]

LMAO if you were on DL's stream Leena was soooo mad because of how wrong Meteos is on they gravity of gambling.

[@bohanxu6125]

The fact that gambling website give millions of dollars to streams most likely means that their viewers would waste more than millions on those websites.

[@dillonoickle5841]

the convo about river and hard to stand out on a bad team is why i would have loved to see apollo on a better team he was almost always a middle to p upper middle adc on like a last place team would have been intresting if he got a chance on a good team.

[@Jitterzz]

100% agreed, Apollo has always been one of my top “if only he was on a good team” players. I feel like he was always really stellar and never had much of a chance to prove himself.

[@Aliens1337]

This makes 2017 Faker actually insane. Dude legit 1v9 his way into the Finals with 4 dead corpses on his team. Huni would show up sometimes but besides that everyone else on 2017 SKT played like apes.

[@dillonoickle5841]

@@Aliens1337 is have to rewatch that SKT as that was the year i watched the least league but i can believe huni wasnt great lol

[@ayh4968]

Agreed Apollo was always super stable no matter what

[@AwkwardPhoenix]

He was on clutch with Lira, Solo and Febiven. That team did pretty well actually

[@baileyduvall01]

For the gambling: Doublelift: saying that PROMOTING gambling is what is morally reprehensible after demoting gambling and making views/money off laughing at gambling streams Sneaky/Meteos: talking about how promoting gambling doesn’t mean their viewers are forced to try it I completely think Meteos and sneaky are wrong. When you promote to your viewers that gambling is totally okay and that you can get these “highs” from winning it makes them want that feeling too, and the problem is that gambling preys on the desperate. The more desperate you get the more the thing sucks you in. Thats what makes it morally wrong and stupid. Gambling in general is a poor choice that should not be promoted as profitable in any way, which is different than playing a video game. I also agree with sneaky and Meteos that toxic communities/streamers on twitch should be held accountable. I dont know why this point went over DL’s head.

[@Theheadgiver]

Too bad the top streamer of League is a toxic man baby

[@NoradNoxtus]

Just like gambling in real life as long as the first party (in this situation Twitch) makes money off the process like the casinos and the government, it's another social ill like tobacco that will be allowed to persist. People should recognize this but asking Twitch to do something about it is naive. I'd say make all gambling and hot tub stuff 18+ only.

[@vitotwotwo]

44:30 SNEAKY THANK YOU SO MUCH, I main draven and was so confused why that bug was happening oh my god

[@wego5930]

A quad cast with a mid laner would be interesting. I feel like a mid laner and Meteos would have some deep incite between the JG/MID roles

[@SantiagoBarberoRenkine]

if they broughtin hai the costream would actually be bonkers

[@wego5930]

@@SantiagoBarberoRenkine truuu

[@baileyduvall01]

Until meteos pisses them off saying jungle should get more gold lol

[@Qwinniethepooh]

I completely agree with the Big D Lift on the gambling stance. Regardless of whether or not anyone would or would not take that money, there's no argument that what these gambling streamers are doing is morally reprehensible. They're influencers and these streams are influential. The gambling sites know what they're doing, the streamer knows what they're doing. I respect their right to make that choice, and I even respect the choice they do make, but you can't argue how corrupt and negatively influencing it is. Particularly when you take into account the age of the viewers.

[@Iconcupiscence]

yeah but just like dlift you are talking past the points made in order to virtue signal. We all know it is bad but the point of the conversation was to talk about why gambling is the 100% morally reprehensible thing you encourage your viewers to do vs normalizing toxic behaviour which is just as detrimental

[@Qwinniethepooh]

@@Iconcupiscence No. Both are bad and morally reprehensible and if I absolutely must stop virtue signaling... influencing viewers to gamble is worse than influencing further toxicity in gaming. Unless that toxicity is hateful. I'll virtue signal into infinitum on both of these topics because I have no say or control over them beyond my own little boycott, words, and signaling.

[@somethinglame48]

@@Iconcupiscence Imagine having virtues am I right? Fucking disgusting

[@2LettersSho]

Yeah, as a bartender I see gambling every day. The amount it's advertised (and where) is pretty controlled generally and it's simple to enforce an age barrier and monitor behaviour in real life with adults who are reasonably responsible for their own actions. Once age was brought up in the discussion it all came tumbling down for me; something as accessible as a twitch stream or youtube video is WAY too visible to reasonably promote gambling, especially online gambling which in turn is far too accessible to both underage and otherwise inappropriate people. For gambling to be morally defensible as a streamer to promote, I would say you at least enforce an age restriction and make very clear that you, as the content creator, are gambling for FUN (not profit) and with you own money that you can afford to lose. Could even be required to run ads every so often that remind viewers of the risks of gambling etc. That all said I agree with Meteos' overall point that simple content creators can't be expected to be a perfect influence for a better society or anything like that BUT it's completely fair to question someone's moral position on topics like this too.

[@darkbloomvivian1087]

@@Iconcupiscence lol bro if u think online toxicity is as important a social problem as gambling, you need to touch grass and interact w real humans more

[@bjfflegend]

For the Sona discussion, Sneaky and DL didn't mention the items. Sona's heals (and other champs' heals) synergizes with Moonstone Renewer, which adds a ton more healing. They only discussed her base stats. And in that chart they showed, it was a different era, with Kleptomency (which isn't even around anymore), and that was full damage Sona. Nowadays, you've gotta max W first, and then Q if you're in solo queue and maybe E during pros when you know your teammates will do enough damage.

[@2LettersSho]

That's all well and good but the extra points in E do almost nothing anyway, especially compared to Q. Items don't change that, the AP ratio on the movespeed doesn't change and even the E power chord doesn't change whether E is level 1 or 5. I think that's the main takeaway, just leave E at 1 point until you have no choice. Hell, your effectiveness basically hardly changes if you just don't spend the 4 points at level 18 XD

[@bjfflegend]

@@2LettersSho Right, that's why I max Q second.

[@2LettersSho]

@@bjfflegend Good stuff, that's what everyone should be doing including pro games; 1% MS is so little XD

[@CT-gc5rt]

I think Sneaky and Meteos is really off on the gambling point here.

[@darkbloomvivian1087]

Meteos honestly emits big libertarian energy

[@CT-gc5rt]

@@darkbloomvivian1087 Actually true, Like a true American. But you cant compare encouraging 12 yos to gamble to Riot making a documentary about Pro players not going to collage. It so far off lol.

[@darkbloomvivian1087]

@@CT-gc5rt yeah lolol its really like debate style contextless contrarian brain that gives it that american flavor. Like to meteos, since both things are influential, they must be on the same scale lol

[@CT-gc5rt]

@@darkbloomvivian1087 Remind me of that time when Sneaky tried to argue that it is math but it isnt logical lol. The infamous monkey theorm incident.

[@LaFlamer]

Yeah they were both so desperate to try and remove their personal responsibility in the gambling scenario, and Sneaky trying to compare it to saying "in that same way you can claim video games cause violence" was such a shit take and not even remotely close to being comparable. Even DL said "that's also a really bad thing and those things can both be bad at the same time". It's because of their myopic POVs as streamers who want to be able to feel no responsibility for their actions as if their large audience has no real influence on how their behavior affects said viewers. It's a really juvenile and privileged take if anything.

[@Jeffrey_Tyler]

Saying the conversation on gambling video games is like the conversation of do games cause mass shootings is a pretty L take considering one is literally a video game....

[@thetokenasian77]

I feel like Meteos and Sneaky are disagreeing with Dlift just to play devils advocate. Dlift is right on the money with the gambling thing. No shot they actually are taking the stance that promoting rigged gambling sites to your extremely impressionable audience is a morally okay thing to do. No shit you're not FORCING your viewers to go gamble. However, you are absolutely exposing them to a highly addictive habit that ruins lives quite easily. Especially when you as the streamer directly get paid out for all the losses that your viewers are likely going to endure. The counterarguments they have are pointless as well. "Well this other bad thing exists too! Why is the bad gambling thing even bad?" They missed the mark on this one. I'm probably reading into it too much and they were just arguing the other side for the sake of continuing the debate.

[@LaFlamer]

Nah you're right, Sneaky and Meteos had the worst takes on gambling even if they were playing Devil's advocate, the devil doesn't need an advocate. They just tried to find ways to say "Why is X bad if Y is ALSO bad??" and justify why them having multiple thousands of viewers shouldn't mean they cant shill for a gambling sponsorship which DL explains very well has no justification.

[@thatguy5233]

i'm here for sneacky and meteos but this time i'm straight up dissapointed with them and 100% on DL side. it really felt like they were just playing devils advocate tho. i think they just don't want to see themselves as bad people and they try to put the responsibility on viewers so they can move on with life, which is so childish if i'm being honest. just stop advertising it or accept that you've just made money off your viewers naiveness. it's probably tough, but that's life.

[@matthew92604]

Sneaky attempting to strawman child gambling with "What about the people saying that video games cause violence?" was very disappointing to hear. Actively scamming children by encouraging them to gamble on unregulated and fixed websites like degenerates is morally reprehensible. A good reminder that a lot of popular streamers are still just children that never had to grow up or face real world struggles and consequences.

[@andrewkelley9405]

24:40 unbeknownst to Meteos, there was an OTP Yuumi top who smashed solo queue a patch or two ago.

[@ZeHamberglar]

Kerp is my favorite player, I'm so glad he got a mention.

[@MrGetownedLP]

I see what Sneaky did there with "Sus Stain" gachiHYPER

[@TheJerbol]

Title of video: Now you have NO excuse to build Trinity Force Tweet: I never said DON'T go Trinity Force, geez

[@eonnephilim852]

lmao

[@TWISTEDGiraff3]

Meteos’ take on gambling is kinda L

[@TWISTEDGiraff3]

Dont promote gambling, it’s immoral

[@LaFlamer]

So was sneaky's tbh

[@matthewschauer9700]

big time L takes all around honestly

[@rotcoke652]

I think Vulcan probably maxed E W and not Q because his intent was to position in the back of the team fights and pump out heals and speed boosts rather than getting in there and trying to do damage.

[@ekkosmith2358]

No flame to sneaky and double lift for the input on the sona ability max, but as someone with like 50-60 games around d2-d1 MMR (which, not a flex, not THAT high, especially compared to former pro's) The reasons behind W maxing first is for how it ramps with moonstone, and your other healing shielding items (but mostly moonstone, since you typically have 3 points or more in your second ability by the time you get your second item unless your smashing) so no, the difference of 70 healing isn't all that high, but then you run that through the filter that is all your runes and items and it adds up very quickly, as far as the second maxed ability, I think you could go either way, the main justification for E max second that i've found is when you up against team fights where you can't interact without putting yourself into danger, and so to just not be a team fight liability, you sit further back and basically just use Q to get the rotation for passive on the spell of choice. but if you can interact with champs, such as if they have a frontline tanks you can just Q freely on cd. Its definitely a viable choice. The skill order may have been different before the items got reworked, and you had the ability to ramp healing/shielding faster with moonstone and other items. idk. just a d1 pleb hopefully clearing some things up for some people

[@bingustavo]

There's an actor in Korea named Kim Hyung Mook and he literally looks like he could be Gamsu's father

[@battlebots1]

1:01:15 as a casual only player I have done that. From my tests in the practice tool it is theoretically the highest DPS for ezreal but obviously impractical since you wouldn't be in autoattack range consistently.

[@Theheadgiver]

Love watching you guys, the old crew of mid 2010s

[@lazerfruit2121]

honestly VV2 has always come off as a bit of a clown trying to be LS 2.0

[@TheVincident.]

Oof some bad meteos gambling takes but besides that banger video

[@ZeHamberglar]

I think the King joke is funny, even if you don't agree with the content. A joke can be funny and wrong.

[@bohanxu6125]

Doublelift and sneaky are better sona than vulkan.... because they are Q masters

[@NotYourFrontDoorNeighbour]

Sounds like me on chadrius!

[@PKcrash]

I know people hate it but I actually enjoy DLs humor lol sometimes its so dry it makes me laugh LOL

[@bradmalcolm45]

holy shit that jab at k1ing was wild XD

[@schnitzelking1]

certified german here: german restaurants suck ass, at least mid budget they will always have schnitzel with fries as the go to. classic example for german home cuisine would be a sauerbraten (marinated pot roast?) with gravy, salt potatoes and some kind of vegetables.

[@2LettersSho]

Scrolled too far to find the comment about this! The menu at my old bar (in Australia) was originally mostly german, the cuisine may not be exciting or that unique but it's all just good shit; bratwurst, sauerkraut, German mustard's just better, big Pretzels, curry ketchup, chicken and steak schnitzel... it's good eats!

[@G0rillaGaming]

People are thinking way too hard about this gambling thing. Whether or not you are going to be addicted to gambling depends on the individual. Gambling is advertised on almost every media platform including nationally televised sporting events and if somebody is going to ruin their life gambling they will regardless of whether or not a streamer they watch has a Stake sponsor. Gambling like every other vice can be enjoyed responsibly. Just because you partake in gambling doesn't mean it'll ruin your life, same as drinking or smoking. Doublelift was thinking in very aggressive extremes and Meteos and Sneaky were trying to point of the logical fallacies within it and chose extreme examples themselves. At the end of the day a streamer or personality can promote whatever they chose to, as their viewers can chose what content they engage with, its very immature and childish of DL to say that a streamer who promotes gambling is ruining the lives of their viewers, especially in his relation to young viewers. Most gambling sites require ID verification and require a way to input funds two things minors don't have easy access to. Once again the promotion of gambling is fine in scenarios in which it advertised as something to be done responsibly and proper warnings are given, deceiving ones viewers or promoting things that are simply untrue such as risk-free gambling is very irresponsible and immoral, however promoting gambling as a whole is fine... This is because influence doesn't determine action I can influence you do something because you think I'm cool and trustworthy but you following through with it is your own choice, especially following through with it to the point of ruining ones life. Just a take from a gambler and an ethics major.

[@andrewkelley9405]

The TRI-SOMETHING is back!

[@xelloskaczor5051]

L9 FeelsGoodMan

[@elderslug]

tell me to fetch tell me to fetch XD

[@SilverDashie]

Glad I wasn't the only one who thought sivir did no damage.

[@mohammadazraazriazhar2170]

I don't get why people opt for damage tops (except for Fiora). Like I swear having Orn or Chogath tanking for years and provide cc will be much more useful

[@oldpro8783]

I paused so maybe doublelift addresses this, but Sneaky saying that gamba stream is same as violence in video games not causing violence.. That's Fucking Stupid. Sorry bro, I love you but you gotta realize there is zero chance that gamba company is going to spend millions on sponsorships that don't work.. That ain't good business. So, yes, it works. Those sponsorships work for these companies, and they are influencing very young audiences and getting them addicted to gamba as early as they can. A streamer should feel a significant weight of responsibility for their stream content and how it affects their viewers. That is my opinion. Streamers are akin to social learning for young kids and they have a very large influence on what kids consider normal or taboo or just forbidden enough to be worth trying. Like using certain words around their parents or maybe playing games that they know their family might disagree with and even down to finding ways to play online gamba w/o anyone finding out b/c that's what their streamer does and they idolize their streamer.. I'm done ranting, just thought it sounded crazy to think that Big Gamba would spend money on advertisement that doesn't work at all.

[@oldpro8783]

AND to respond to Meaty Oh's.. NO.. Quitting school to dedicate your time to a passion like esports or even just quitting school and trying some esport b/c a streamer you like does that and you wanna do that too, or w/e dumb reason is NOT the same as Gamba streams. Taking a RISK with your career choice can be a type of "gamble" but it isn't the specifically designed to twist your endorphins and reward centers of your brain to keep you doing a repetitive task that also drains you of finances to a specific companies betterment. That is not enough like risking a type of gamble in your academic, social, or work life to be contrasted together. Gamba Companies hire psychologists and analysts to make their games as draining and addictive as possible. I'm speaking mostly of the slots style gamba, pull lever and spin shit. Just wanted to vent b/c it felt like some gamba takes weren't very well thought out and I just hope they reconsider their opinions on it.

[@KSIxSilver]

The Tom and Jerry lane strikes LCS

[@jakemurray4346]

What was that opening conversation hahaha Ezreal is known to beat Jinx hard in lane he has like 52% winrate across all regions into her, and he has always been better into squishy champs because of his 2-3 item spikes he is basically a ranged assassin vs them, half hp with every Q???

[@LaFlamer]

Man I love their league content but Sneaky and Meteos have the mindsets of 16 year old edgy libertarians when it comes to the gambling sponsorship discussion. The privilege and ease of dispersing responsibility in their takes is so apparent it's kinda repulsive.

[@EclipsaMyrtenaster]

To me, the purpose of sponsored gambling is like to target the younger audience but not today. They go for the long run and influence the younger people now and when they're old enough and have a job, they'll remember like xQc of all people who gambled and think it's okay to gamble their entire life savings away Honestly, if you xQc's viewer, don't ever take his advice or what the hell he says seriously. I know that's a no brainer but god damn most of his viewers are as brain dead as he is

[@asfgssdfgsdfg38]

with routing a normal player whos beaten elden ring can probably speed run it in like 2-3 hours not 10 :)

[@full-timepog6844]

If they've beaten the bosses before.

[@asfgssdfgsdfg38]

@@full-timepog6844 re read my comment

[@full-timepog6844]

@@asfgssdfgsdfg38 lol 😆 mb

[@Genmurasaki]

Gambling on stream is just another outcome of gacha/loot boxes/DLC its will always have a negative impact.

[@Scawtsauce]

ahh now I see why tyler 1 is with Michaela despite her face

[@lilianadelrey241]

snekay is right you dont max e second

[@Auto209]

Doublelifts whole philosophy is: if it’s morally reprehensible people shouldn’t do it. Except himself. He’s the only one who should be able to. At least meteos and sneaky have consistent and logical thoughts. Actually sneaky and meteos have shit logic too.

[@awakentheblades]

In fairness there was one point that he said that whoever ends up doing that sort of stuff should at least own up to it, which he said he hypothetically would.

[@Auto209]

@@awakentheblades what’s the point of that? Promoting gambling in young folks is like promoting drugs in kids. It can lead to addictions that will ruin someone’s life. Sure, own up to being a drug dealer. Then what? The kids already fucked up and you’re still getting richer. They have no fucking spine and will sell out for anything.

[@andrewman6637]

Could the sona argument be for cdr because he uses e auto attack? Yall were playing farming ap sona he is playing support enchanter

[@FantasiA2K]

The CD doesn't change though

[@Austin_McK]

Only a Sith deals in absolutes

[@BLMed1a]

Man CLG wins this NA has no hope

[@boredindividual]

Luger is just a gigachad. Gives 0 fucks

[@AnimaPrisma_]

Still sane, exile?

[@Auto209]

Double lift talking about absolutes is rich

[@MegaGetowned]

Anyone else kinda cringe at the way the patch notes read? I honestly hate that it's (current)(previous) when read. Idk bothers tf outta me

[@JgHaverty]

miracle whip is based

[@catcuty1223]

ILYYYYY

[@sparkledfish9483]

So by doublelifts logic its ok to stream only highlights of wins while gambling as long as u don't explicitly tell your viewers to gamble. Yikes, my mans quick to dismiss the counterargument. Completely agree with Meteos. Watching someone for hours everyday will certainly influence your personality. A douche streamer is pumping out little douche followers which is equally concerning if not worse than a low percentage of gambling addicts.

[@mastercalippo]

double is such a weird guy

[@chnb517]

What is a triac

[@Reign123]

the video quality is so poor :/

[@KattKirsch]

Doublelift based as hell.

[@th3summoner]

Honestly, if you take viegars corrections into account its a pretty good take. Your build entirely depends on the other champs in your game. I get the title is a bit clickbait but like give it a shot?

[@lewis1423]

so they have taled about the gambling before and first off yes manipulating children is more deplorable, however adults are also influenceable thats why adds are everywhere, everyone is affected by this stuff. Second i would say to medios' comment on wither they are responsible for the actions of their fans is depending on intent. for example is smoking if you smoked on your stream and someone follows suit, its like just mimicking you are passively influencing, however once you run an add for cigarettes then your are actively trying to get people to smoke and are now very responsible for people starting to smoke.

[@ScappaDappaDo]

Let’s gooo

[@yuurapik]

bad move for riot, i don't watch lcs if it's not with the triad

[@TheJerbol]

The way you guys use 'live' instead of 'survive' is so tilting for some reason

[@AyakaAkira31]

3/3

[@weatherreport7822]

Germany isnt known for their cuisine. Meteos this is why a team won't take you.

[@ovs4744]

People like veigarv2 just speak in absolutes because to people that don’t know better they appear as all knowing or to know something no one else does. The result is a cult fanbase that parrots every statement. Very similar to LS’s community

[@andrewkelley9405]

Except LS actually proved himself when he had a chance.

[@ovs4744]

@@andrewkelley9405 for what, one of the hundreds of unsourced takes?

[@justascomplicated8182]

LS would do this but would often also provide rationale to a nauseating degree. Epistemically speaking, having rigorous evidence is always going to be more important than whether or not you have a humble disposition. It can be annoying, but if you need someone to tell you that speaking in absolutes in most context is hyperbolic or for rhetorical effect 95% of the time, that's on you.

[@ovs4744]

@@justascomplicated8182 now say it without misusing unnecessary adjectives to hide the fact that you have zero valid points

[@andrewkelley9405]

@@ovs4744 I’ll keep it short: unlike most people, LS’ takes seemed to be correct and successful. It also doesn’t hurt that Cloud9 crashed and burned after he left. I would consider that good evidence in LS’ favor.

[@NoLoseJustLearn]

Meteos's gambling takes are atrocious. There is no question in my mind gambling should be permanently banned on twitch.

[@8thgstriker412]

i love dl the player but man his personality and hot takes are honestly unbearable gotta be one of the worst gambling takes too seriously who cares if some 10 year old sees his favorite streamer gamble

[@brandonscherer4297]

lul meteos??? Miracle Whip is fucking disgusting

[@notEAdemize99]

With all due respect but I'm removing my viewership and sub until we get at least a reasonable take on gambling. You guys have a SERIOUS responsibility to inform yourselves, when you're in such a position of influence in the scene. The fact you're either misinformed or defending gambling outright is just too big to ignore. Use your fuck ton of money and support the community provides to learn about shit and not embarrass yourselves guys, it's not hard.