So about Toxic Animation Fandoms...

[@Magicghost23]

Its hard To find a fandom that’s not toxic.

[@walter-white4641]

True. There will be always those that ruin the name of a whole community.

[@-themightymittens-]

Every fandom has the toxic people, and it sucks when they are sometimes the loudest voices of the fandom and scare everyone away from it

[@DayDreamingWriters]

@@-themightymittens- Ragers apprentice fandom: Am I joke to you?

[@IsaSozy]

I'd rather say "impossible"

[@DayDreamingWriters]

@@IsaSozy Read my previous answer

[@MollyFox-gs3sl]

“This show literally killed itself so it’s successors could flourish” hilariously accurate summary of what went down behind the scenes

[@apnosaurus]

what

[@krystalcasey]

​​@@apnosaurus from my understanding, having the Ruby and Sapphire wedding was something Rebecca Sugar fought for and Cartoon Network told her she could have it but it would cause the show to lose funding because multiple countries would stop airing the show as a result of the wedding. After the decision was made to include the wedding they only had enough money to make a few more episodes (hence why the ending was so rushed) then at some point after that cartoon network decided to give them another series, thus leading to Steven Universe Future being made.

[@apnosaurus]

so if they cut all funding after the wedding then why did they give them funding a move and another series?

[@twist_ending7545]

@@apnosaurus because the airing of the finale got really damn popular lol

[@krystalcasey]

@@apnosaurus they didn't cut ALL funding, the show lost a lot of funding, as far as I'm aware the movie was already in production and Cartoon Network, seeing that the series was still popular enough to warrant another season, decided to greenlight another season, but because the series already had it's final episode produced they decided to take that funding and make an epilogue series

[@Je-S1001]

“The Crewniverse” is the name fans call the people who worked on the show, not the gems Steven lives with, they along with Steven are known as “The Crystal Gems”.

[@yareliapolinar9799]

Finally I was looking for this comment

[@mackeen2532]

I didn't even know that Steven universe was so controversial till after I finished the show, it's so emotionally complex and relatable for me and my friends, we all loved it. Especially the music, I unironically listen to it all the time.

[@daniapfel9673]

Me also

[@Peridot_luv]

Same lol

[@kiaheat1920]

Me four!!!

[@polonyuino5016]

It feels like people are just jumping on the hate bandwagon and gaslighting themselves into believing it was shit

[@JayJayM57]

is not hated or controversial. he just lumps criticism and haters together. I know people with criticism about something in steven universe but they would recommend the series in a heartbeat. they love the show.

[@angelgamer4563]

Owl House was another show that was criticized a lot, most of them are about the "Filler" episodes of season 1, Gus and Willow not being used a lot in episodes, and Lumity, the Filler episode argument is the one I most didn't agree on as of course it's gonna have filler episodes, it's not gonna get serious off the bat I mean frick can't the characters just have fun without dealing with anything serious

[@dylansharp8471]

What about these "complaints" for Gus, Willow, and Lumity? If most those "complaints" about Lumity were from the anti shippers on Tumblr, then that'd make sense.

[@apnosaurus]

there are some valid complaints about the owl house, like how Willow and Gus got shafted hard after season 1.

[@dylansharp8471]

@@apnosaurus What "valid" complaints? Also, no they didn't.

[@apnosaurus]

@@dylansharp8471 yes they did actually, you see see the ammout of focus episodes willow and gus have combined is less than the focus episodes of either amity OR hunter.

[@Jamfrog35]

​@@apnosaurus I do see the complaint...but that's not the entire issue. ​I bet without the whole Disney ending this short, they would have their individual episodes to grow them more, but since they want to wrap things up, Dana had to focus on what is important to the series, aka the main character's growth and King's tides to the story.

[@Nellipusen]

I have never understood the Steven Universe hate. Certain criticism sure, but the hate? I got into it around when season three was halfway or something, and would watch it as each episode came out, and it is hands down my favorite show. I recommend it to anyone and everyone who will let me talk to them for long enough. I realize that a lot of it is my personal taste and not objective quality, and you are talking about a girl whose top three favorite foods include yesterday's frozen pizza reheated in the microwave, but still

[@mysticalkeyblade759]

A lot of fans just hated the Steven bombs and how it took 6 months for the new episodes to come out

[@TheOneTrueGhostyBoi]

Couldn’t even make it through season 1 everyone was hyping the show up but like Christ the show was just unbearable especially the joke that was the animation

[@-themightymittens-]

@@TheOneTrueGhostyBoi And that's fine, but you don't need to be so overly negative about it.

[@TheOneTrueGhostyBoi]

@@-themightymittens- nah being overly negative of it is fun I like dunking on shit

[@A-strange-visitor]

i too like the show and i too don't understand the hate

[@Arsskaful]

Something that also affected the reception of Steven Universe was its horrendous release schedule. Constant hiatuses, no communication and batches of episodes were small, sometimes only 1 episode and the show went on a hiatus again.

[@apnosaurus]

didn't cartoon network do that to "build hype" only to backfire spectacularly? did the creators knew that was going to happen?

[@enimintsay5110]

not related but is that a Nox pfp?

[@apnosaurus]

@@enimintsay5110 what is a nox? this is a winged horse?

[@enimintsay5110]

@@apnosaurus oh no I was talking about Arsskaful 's pfp ( Nox is a character from a really great show called Wakfu. You should try it it's got good animation and beautiful characters design in my opinion)

[@twist_ending7545]

@@apnosaurus they weren't talking to you

[@mylin5586]

My fav character was Lion. Did absolutely nothing when stuff wasn’t happening except eating and sleep and was adorable (not a complaint)

[@AR_Animates]

Lion is the absolute creature of all time

[@UltimateGamerCC]

the only fandom that i think is even slightly justified for being toxic is Scooby-Doo, because WOW is Velma BAD. i personally tend to find things i like in shows that people dont like, but Velma? damn, beyond the concept of a more mature Scooby-Doo, Velma is one of the worst cartoons/adult animations i've ever seen, and it's not the fault of the animators, or the voice actors, it's the fault of the creator of Velma and the writers who think that is good work they are doing.

[@apnosaurus]

velma is an insult to the scooby-doo franchise and mature storytelling, no thanks i'd rather watch puss in boots

[@twist_ending7545]

Well, one voice actress can get dunked on because she also made the show lol

[@UltimateGamerCC]

@@twist_ending7545 she doin what she get paid to do. it's not her fault that she's voicing woke trash, it's a job.

[@twist_ending7545]

@@UltimateGamerCC uhh she literally made the show. SHE IS THE CREATOR

[@EvilMeganium]

​@@UltimateGamerCC Yeah but Velma's VA is also the creator

[@jeremy1860]

My first experience with toxic fandoms was when I was about seven, way back in the mid-90s. The original Star Wars trilogy had just been re-released on VHS and everyone was raving about it, especially on the playgrounds of schools across the country. Like many kids that age, I'd both watched and loved them, but the enjoyment was soured when I told my classmates that Return of the Jedi was my favourite. All of a sudden, I was a laughing stock by everyone else, who evidently had all agreed that Empire was the better choice. And that kind of "let's gang up on the one guy in the group who thinks different to the rest of us" is something I've unfortunately had to see (either done to others or be on the receiving end myself) in every other fandom I've been a part of 😟

[@twist_ending7545]

Every fandom has those kinds of people and sometimes it's hard to (or just hard for people) not let them ruin the experience

[@myfamily1989]

You are not alone brother return of the Jedi is my favourite too

[@thecrazyrabbitshow5558]

Watch regular show please watch to season 1 to 8 please

[@Star-spotted_Ceilings]

@@thecrazyrabbitshow5558This reply has literally nothing to do with what this comment was saying?

[@Kurohige229]

I agreed with many of your points, but it's very hard to appreciate the animation of Velma when the characters are so unlikable and the humor is so awful, and the fact that HBO/Warner brothers canceled so many animated projects and ongoing series.

[@gorux]

Don’t appreciate it if you can’t! Just don’t shit on the animation because all of these other factors, when there’s no argument for it… it’s like you missed the whole point of the video! Critique all you want when you have proper arguments to do so, dislike the show for it, it’s justified, just don’t make shit up…

[@jasperjazzie]

@@gorux yeah, it's weird how when people hate something they're so reluctant to praise any single part of it, that they'll make something up and say the animation is bad when it isn't like, if you hate something you should be able to hate it for stuff that's actually true and not have to make stuff up lmao

[@oakleyhasafoot7878]

@@gorux that would be a good point, if anyone was actually doing that. I’m sure a few dumbasses have been saying the show visually is bad just because it’s popular to shit on it, but 99% of people have been commenting on how awful the humor and characters are, and the animation has actually been like the only thing that has gotten a single ounce of praise.

[@mastername5373]

@@gorux 'Just don't make shit up' I agree, but that's what he is doing too, sure I've seen some comments about Velma having 'Bad Animation' but ​like @OakleyHasAFoot 787 a lot more videos who don't like the show either don't mention Animation or say that it's good, but he is acting like majority of the people say it's bad.

[@deliriousmusicality8840]

But the animation gets really bad sometimes, mostly in movement/reused animation/ weird cut aways and cheap shortcuts. I imagine the team was forced to used bad tactics to pump the show out

[@-themightymittens-]

I love Steven Universe. I understand when people dislike it because it's not everyone's cup of tea, but I kind of grew up with it and it's nostalgic to me. It was really important to me and it still is. The soundtrack is BOMB, (Here Comes a Thought still makes me cry, I needed it so badly) and the themes of exploring mental health makes it one of the best cartoons I remember watching.

[@AR_Animates]

same it's the initial reason i decided to pursue animation, all it's other aspects like it's art and music are super charming as it is without needing to be so deep and critical about the story.

[@WolfieOrDemonic]

Another toh fan!

[@-themightymittens-]

@@WolfieOrDemonic Yep!!

[@Whatisthisgremlin]

FR! The song stronger than you was so cool it got a few undertale and a SPONGEBOB parody!!!

[@pennysanchez7656]

A TOH has been found!

[@dewaunwarren1]

The community was divided between two extremes. The people who blindly followed the show religiously and would get personally offended if you said anything bad about it. And the people who hated every flaw they saw with it and couldn't enjoy the show after a certain point. This resulted in a lot of back and forth yelling.

[@PerseusToons]

Great destruction of toxic internet tendencies. It genuinely passes me off how KZbinrs who don't know shit about the animation industry make a buck harassing the people who make these shows just because they know it's easier appealing to people's desire to be enraged than actually having talent.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Yeah, Velma sucks for a lot of reasons, but the animation is not one of them.

[@twist_ending7545]

@@jeremyusreevu237 yeah, and people hating on it acknowledge that. We understand that they just animated it, they aren't responsible for the writing.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@jeremyusreevu237 With that in mind, there’s always my series, The Pensuke Files! m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/bXWzc553maeqbM0

[@FreshZCORD]

Yeah sometimes u have to ignore the Internet and check something out for yourself

[@thecrazyrabbitshow5558]

Watch regular show please watch to season 1 to 8 please

[@crcoghill]

Don't compare Velma's hate from "fans" from hate the other 2 get. Velma actually DESERVES the hate!

[@unclepaul1995]

So Many things to hate. Bad Shows, Movies, Anime, Games, Characters, Etc. I don’t bother Hating this Bad Show.

[@kaylemathewcomendador6964]

Yeah, but at the same time haters are giving it too much attention than it actually deserves. They're almost justifying its renewal.

[@GamerPug-y8s]

Did you just not watch the video or something?

[@jessicapinkman-hd4bw]

​@user-oc1yk8im7w did you just not read that comment

[@pepitopacquiao]

you are becoming the one who you hated, toxic people are also in cancel culture too.

[@the_UF365]

I'm a bit of an isolationist who's starting to break out of her shell, but even I know that complaining about a picture of Rose Quartz being drawn on the internet to the point of looking slightly skinnier to the point of driving a child to suicide is not a constructive use of one's time.

[@pap64]

I feel online communities tend to either OVERHYPE or just plain HATE something without having that nuanced discussion about what worked and didn't work. It happened with "Velma" and got so bad that people compared it to "Puss in Boots; The Last Wish" even though the two productions couldn't be any different other than being animated and one actually caring for the medium and the other just being trash. This leads to series and movies being so overhyped people hate it out of principle, or so overhated you wonder what was there that caused so much vitriol. The cartoon/animation community is notorious for this we we seemingly normalized having a hyperbolic mindset that accepts having toxic tendencies. You CAN call out a show's weaknesses and strengths without having to have wish death upon those that created it. It's like people forget that at the end of the day we are all just grown-ass adults fighting over cartoons. We should learn to hype responsibly and accept that not everyone will love or hate the same thing and THAT'S OK.

[@biscottoverde]

WAIT .... People...hate Steven Universe???????? The one cartoon that helped me accept the fact that I needed therapy and saver me from quarantine?????

[@AnimationFanboy2k4]

Yeah!

[@AnimationFanboy2k4]

I'm also a huge fan of the show too!

[@uhh443]

Me too!

[@nikoneo1174]

well it's more people hate Steven Universe future and i clearly see why

[@kapiquantum]

I will reccomend to check a video about lily and mikayla Orchard

[@lightyearpig12]

I've been a Steven Universe fan for far longer than you have, and I have witnessed all the toxicity of the fandom firsthand. What is it with fans of cartoons these days thinking they should only be what they want them to be at the expense of everything they are? I've mostly seen it with The Owl House, Amphibia, and Helluva Boss at the moment.

[@dylansharp8471]

Whadda ya mean?

[@jasperjazzie]

yeah, no one seems to talk about how bad the helluva boss fandom can be, the show has its flaws of course but a lot of fans act like because a certain episode is lackluster that the show is horrible, i've legit heard someone say "the show is sinking" because they didn't like one episode also people hate on stolas and stolitz so much, i get not liking him or the ship, but people act like him being in an episode makes the episode terrible

[@twist_ending7545]

Wdym?

[@dontknowwhattocallmyself.5144]

I’m confused

[@lightyearpig12]

@@dylansharp8471 I mean the kinds of fans who think that they know the show better than the creators, like wanting Anne to suffer for the sake of Sashannarcy angst, grasping at straws about how Luz is going to die because "Dana hates happy endings", or saying Stella being a horrible person for the heck of it is bad writing for the sake of pandering to Stolitz fans.

[@percy_812]

I knew some people hated steven universe but I thought it was generally liked??? Like omg I loved this show so damn much and the representation was amazing

[@EChacon]

Really enjoy your content Toonstarterz and thank you for being the most down to earth and honest content creator in the Cartoon Community.

[@CellSpex]

Very nicely said

[@ToonStarterz]

Thanks! Huge fan of your content btw.

[@nikoneo1174]

well i do like criticizing things because of one thing: discussion, i love talking about subjects like this and negativity isn't always bad. and sometimes i even enjoy arguing, it'll sound weird but it giving me primarily adrenaline, however when i talk badly about something I'm always trying to be as polite as possible (unless i think the show can cause actual harm, like su future). the most important thing about criticizing something is to acknowledge good parts (unless u don't see any), because it can show other future creators what is seen as bad or good, but i must admit, good things aren't always major and sometimes despite good animation or humor, show is just garbage. and answering ur question, who do you do that for. myself, I'm letting my emotions out, which is a good thing to do if u're not hurting anybody with this

[@stickthelanding4785]

For steven universe I was annoyed by the finale season, hiatus’s, and some of its writing but I never really hated it. I guess a lot of people became frustrated with how it was handled

[@Loifey]

The majority is pretty good if you don’t count the last part

[@arielruh7773]

I was really sad about what went on one of my favorite characters, but I could never hate it

[@solarmyths]

You perfectly summed it up Every series will have its faults The only difference now then let’s say 10 years ago is that people are more vocal about these faults because of things like social media And the more people point it out the more the series just seems negative When it’s not Peoples standards nowadays feel too high in my opinion To the point that if it’s not literally gold in writing and animation It’s classed as bad or even trash Plus most of these people haven’t even watched the series-they just want views

[@joshuagonzalez4183]

yeah,same here..

[@nicholasmiscunaitis6438]

Animation "fans" are their own worst enemy. They're not heroes of justice, they're just spoiled brats not happy with corrupt and incompetent executives that are "worse than the devil". They don't need hate... they need help to make their lives better.

[@trashpanda9380]

Steven Universe came out at around the same time that I started questioning my gender, sexuality, and my place in the world among other things. It really helped me learn how to accept myself for who I was and how to recognize when I needed to ask for help from others. I figured out pretty quickly that fusions were a metaphor/symbol for relationships/love being expressed in a relationship and it made me feel so much more comfortable and happy with the show once I figured that out. The fusions are not limited to characters who are romantically attached to each other, they also happen to show different kinds of love. When Steven and Greg fused in the movie, it was a show of familial love. When Ruby and Sapphire fuse, it's a show of romantic love. When Steven fused with himself after the White Diamond showdown, it was a show of self love. So on and so forth. But it also shows things like when relationships go bad or how it's normal for some people to just not want to be in a relationship while also expressing that the love is still there, even if it's not being expressed in the conventional way. Peridot, for example, has shown interest in fusion before (asking questions, running tests, etc.) but doesn't wish to be fused with anyone else. She has also shown her interest in romantic relationships (shipping charts and stuff) but she actively avoids becoming involved in anything like that. And it's perfectly fine! Nobody gets mad at Peridot for not wanting to fuse and instead they all respect her decision and let her express her care and love for others in her way. Lapis Lazuli and Jasper are the prime examples of a toxic/abusive/unhealthy relationship because neither of them actually cared for each other and instead had separate goals that directly opposed each other. Jasper wanted Lapis' strength in order to kill Steven, but Lapis wanted to have someone to take her anger out on. Who better than the gem that's actively trying to kill the kid who just freed her from her 1000 year imprisonment in the mirror? They both attached to each other because they both wanted to cause pain and suffering, but that is not what a relationship or a fusion should be based on. After Lapis and Jasper unfused and they went their separate ways, Lapis expressed that she never wanted to fuse with anyone ever again because of how badly things went with Jasper. At first, she even refused to develop any sort of connection to anyone other than Steven. Lapis was aggressive towards everyone who wasn't Steven because she was afraid of what would happen if she got attached again. At the end of the story though, Lapis is now friends with the other Crystal Gems and she has been learning from them that it's okay to love and trust others who have earned it from you. There's so much more that I could go on about but I'm sick and I'm running g out of brain cells. The point I'm trying to make is that the entire show, every single character present, every theme, every episode, the very essence of the cartoon Steven Universe is healing. Healing wounds, physical and mental. Healing relationships. Healing past traumas and misconceptions. Healing from mistakes, both your own and others. The very soul of the show is healing in every sense of the word.

[@joshuagonzalez4183]

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[@zombie_dinosaur96]

What makes it worse is this type of content doesnt just ruin whats good in the show it also ruins genuine critique about the show. No one will take you seriously if all any one hears is ppl shitting on the show for no good reason.

[@Sammy_The_Umbreon]

Honestly, am still a fan of steven universe today. I'm a fan of a lot of things with 'toxic fandoms' as people would say (every fandom has toxic people. Some are just louder or well known than others). I mostly remove myself from toxic fandoms without removing myself from the show/game/book/etc itself. Honestly have never been happier enjoying these things than now.

[@scollaceyuri]

yess thank you! its so annoying when people treat cartoons like theyre the second coming of satan like calm down like dont we have jobs

[@legoswithloki7358]

When you said "Now, About that Show Velma.." it gave me and add that searched up "epic Fail on KZbin". That was perfect timing.

[@SuperEasywalker]

To be fair what exasperated the situation with the show is that hiatuses and the week-long bomb to make with for TEEN TITAN GO!multiple marathon during the time period, and it also happen to other new series at the time like REGULAR SHOW and ADVENTURE TIME.

[@FreshZCORD]

I wish the velma animators got to work on a better show

[@robxholicfoxyfan8552]

The Velma show plotline, forced integration thrown into the marketing (honestly I get cynical when the marketing prioritizes diversity because it is way too often hot air and clout chasing), and jokes are groan worthy but I had the same idea about the animation being not bad. Like, the show is bad, but the animation would be a big refresh if there wasn't so much other stuff to suffer through. For Steven Universe, you didn't know Garnet was a couple of non-binary lesbians (or at least the closest they could get at the time by making them technically rocks with she/her and they/them pronouns and just that being their whole species) until like 50 episodes in. But the further along they got the more the show managed to cover new, very important topics and even troll the censoring squads in other parts of the world with Ruby in a dress and Sapphire in a suit. All while never once announcing it as the main idea of the show, because the main ideas if the show were overcoming trauma and a deconstruction of love and loss, as well as growing up. That and learning that someone you build yourself around wasn't a great person until near the end of their life, and that leaving a place of abuse still has an aftermath on new people they meet and even those after they pass away.

[@MetaKnight964]

You can't be non-binary and lesbian, not to mention non-binary is something someone made up on the spot. Also it's rude to refer to someone as they/them.

[@phantomflower6749]

A little lesson folks: be a fan of something but never ever join a fandom

[@worthybutter2004]

Yeah, great lesson!

[@_buses]

I learnt that too late, i just left a bunch of fandoms.

[@kittypost3929]

YESS THE SONGS IN STEVEN UNIVERSE IS SO GOOD! “Stronger than you” and “Here comes a thought” are my absolute favourites!

[@jjrolay9960]

I am actually very surprised that there is a lot of people who didn’t like Steven universe usually the people I’ve been around literally worship the show personally I kind of dislike the show but instead.. it’s kind of for personal reasons that obviously isn’t intended to be related to, But the reason why I don’t really like the show, is because at least for me I get bored really quickly like I’m only able to watch like two episodes of the series until my brain literally just dries into itself I thought it was just kid me being biased but even watching the series while I’m older it’s still just painfully boring to me. This is where I give out a bit of criticism for this video. wanted to add just because of Velma has good animating doesn’t automatically mean that it’s a good show I’ve watched many cartoons that have astonishing animation yet Hot garbage writing.. good animation doesn’t efficient if a show is good or not:/ also the thing that you added where you feel like some people like to review in an echo room (basically meaning that they don’t want their opinions to be contradicted) kind of contradicts your own claims because you refuse to actually show face value to why these opinions pop up in the first place which kind of gives off a bit of biased energy. also I can tell that you don’t actually watch the reviews you just assume that they’re being ignorant so I watched some of the “ignorant” reviews that you showed in your video and they actually give a good reasons why they don’t like the show.

[@goldenlatias152]

Dude this video made me subscribe so damn fast Somebody finally talking with a pretty great amount of sense

[@RioGascar]

As someone that has not seen steven universe but seen countless shows that get praised while running but then when they end bad get dumped on and all its pros forgotten. The ending is the most crucial part. You end bad or mid thats all you get remembered for. Lost had a spectacular first season for example and season 2 & 3 had some stellar stuff. But it ended in manys eyes unsatisfactory and now its just dogged on for rest of its life. Game of thrones (i havent seen) suffered same. it ended so bad it just lost the entire water cooler talk it had. i dont even wanna start it cause of how bad it ends. Before i watched the sopranos, all i knew about was its infamous ending. everything else it accomplished mostly got buried in the cultural zeitgeist. Ending is the most vital.

[@gorux]

Got and the sopranos imo are part of the few examples of a show that’s still worth a watch for what they give despite their endings. What you’ll get throughout the journey is just so magnificent that makes having such endings much more accessory. To the point where it’s not justifiable to miss such a top tier tv experience because of how it ends. Unlike lost… ew!

[@oshawottmain7608]

At last, someone who recognizes Steven Universe's flaws but still loves it anyway!

[@jackmack4181]

Velma does have good animation, I won’t hate the animators I just hate the creators who made this

[@asvenuthayakumaran7906]

You do know that "crewniverse" is the name of the team who worked on Steven Universe alongside Rebecca Sugar, while Garnet, Pearl, Amethyst, Steven are the "Crystal Gems".... right.

[@PurpleAndGreen1995]

I think he got a little mixed up!

[@FreshZCORD]

He's a little confused but he's got the spirit

[@exi_m7074]

The thumbnail implies that Velma has a fandom. I have never met a SINGLE PERSON of any age, race, religion, or anything on the internet that actually liked that show. It’s well animated and I’m all for that, and Norville, the show’s only saving grace of a character, is actually pretty cool when he isn’t saying he hates drugs. Everything else about the show is absolutely terrible though!

[@fandemusique4693]

Norville still is pathetic as he chose Velma over Gigi.

[@BloodRose1800]

Steven Universe is one of my favorite shows of all time. I watched it when it came out 10 years ago and I'm glad I did.

[@-themightymittens-]

Oh my gosh it's 10 years old ;-;

[@WolfieOrDemonic]

Wow! So many toh fans here

[@tacoeateryumyum]

im a huge fan of steven universe and some of the smaller issues never bothered me. the ending of the show is arguably one of the most important parts of a show i mean when you look back on it you remember mostly the finale. the last chunk of episodes hurt so bad because of how terrible they were in contrast to how fantastic almost everything else was. point is i love the show but the issues are totally valid and hurt my enjoyment of the show quite a bit.

[@nicku-u]

Thank you for this. My friend thinks that su is a bad show just because on Twitter ppl hate it so much. SU is my life, it helped me so, so much and is still helping. I would reccomend this show to anyone ❤

[@funloop]

I think what contributed to the growing hate toward SU was the fact that it went on hiatus' for weeks/months at a time only to come back for 3-4 episodes to drop either a filler Towne episode or a controversial episode (Pink Diamond reveal) and leave us hanging for another few months. I suspect the time spent away from the show gave people a bit too much time to think.

[@sdtwirix1126]

Also the idea that the Crewniverse were behind this when it was CN's horrible scheduling

[@doubt2022]

fr people just want to be angry and make other people hear their anger because it makes them feel better

[@morshuvillagemaster1261]

Barely 4 minutes into the video and I just got hit with “ a lovely assortment of weirdos that I would wanna befriend and/or get railed by “ and for some reason I truly felt that

[@bluepastee8583]

you disserve more views keep on going bro

[@SomeGaymerNerd]

I'm so happy that SU is starting to get the recognition it deserves (imo)

[@ItsChevnotJeff]

Velma was hot garbage, yet all the hate caused it to get a second season long before the second episode released Of course, not all of it, but the exposure these shows get from people hating on them is having a counterproductive effect. We live in a world where cancel culture is seen as profit

[@mjangelvortex]

Given how long it takes for most animated shows to make episodes, it's probably likely those season 2 episodes were already in development long before the public backlash got big (and maybe even before season 1 aired since some studios will occasionally greenlit multiple seasons of a show).

[@ItsChevnotJeff]

@@mjangelvortex Somehow, that makes it even worse These shows wouldn't think a second thought about how a product would go, so long as they have a lot of it

[@WellduhJustTakeTheL]

I think Velma wasnt even that bad the story was between good-mid, but the script and voice acting was horrible

[@ItsChevnotJeff]

@@WellduhJustTakeTheL Uts your opinion, but yeah, in regards to the original franchise this is just disrespectful

[@eriklazo5499]

most animated shows have 2 seasons in the making , at most only the first episode will do good since people will want to see if the rumors are true then it begin to dip in ratings since people will just look for there favorite critic youtuber to views in other words let them take bullet to see how it is

[@goopyaxolotl9849]

Finally someone who actually likes the show I’ve been waiting for this for years thank you I am subscribing right now

[@SalamiSelimbo]

People who hates are just people who didnt want to watch and/or just never watched and still feel like they dont like it even though at this point they are just forcing themselves to not have fun to prove something stupid that doenst bring any relevance.

[@alejandrogonzalezakamintyt2242]

I love Steven Universe, it didn't end on a really good note but at least it didn't end with the main character commiting literal genocide with multiple species. And the soundtrack is undeniably one of CN's best. Man I love the Diamonds' individual themes/chimes, they give me chills.

[@BoxedGoat]

Bro, nobody complains about the animation on Velma... They complained about the story and their god awful jokes AND DON'T EVEN SAY I DIDN'T GIVE IT A CHANCE I tried to watch it and I couldn't sit through the first episode...

[@asimplegoose4245]

Tbh I was surprised that Velma even had a fandom

[@VIInOni]

Just finished my annual S.U rewatch and couldn't agree more with this video!

[@gothnerd887]

I think SMG4 has a way of dealing with the toxic side of his fanbase and it's shown in his new movie "It's Gotta Be Perfect". It shows off what he's thinking and feeling and has heavy psychological horror elements mirroring "Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem". He's teaching empathy by instilling his own fear into others. The weird thing is I thought *I* was the only one with this idea, I once said "I'll freeze their hearts with terror and feast on their screams" I'll probably still do it. (I swear I have a lighter side.) Please watch the short film and tell me what you think. Have I missed something? Let me know.

[@hedge1247]

Similar thing happens with game fandoms (eg splatoon) where we all get so caught up in trashing the game and then forget it's actually amazing and there's a reason we're still playing

[@lify5505]

The only thing you have to understand for Steven universe is that there were two studios working on episodes at once, so you can understand why the models were a bit off at times

[@whatdavid]

9:17 Content creators make those video essays picking apart shows of movies for the $$$ (they don't care about the actual content). Hate is a very powerful emotion and getting people riled up and angry is a proven strategy for getting those views and actually getting a viewer to sit through an entire video essay (viewer retention) even if it's a form of media the viewer has no interest in. Not saying it's right, but it works very well and worked historically. It's the same tactic politicians use, news channels use, leaders use to wage war- find an "enemy" and manufacture outrage to get what you want.

[@ToonStarterz]

Ain't that the truth.

[@coopermc527]

the reason people think it’s rushed bc cartoon network cancelled it early the homeworld part where steven was among the diamonds was supposed to be a whole season

[@alarmlessRifleman]

It's so refreshing to meet someone who sees things through the same lens as I do. As in, acknowledges the flaws of a show but also moves past them and values the good things more. People really should be more.. idk, optimistic in their approach to life, it saddens me to see how many folks are filled with vitriol and are ready to mercilessly thrash everything they don't like. Hey, chill out maybe? There is no such thing as a perfect show/album/book etc, because a) it is all purely subjective, b) perfection is something to strive for, but also something that should never be achieved, for if it were achieved once, other creators simply wouldn't be able to compete with it and we would not get any more content. (sorry for mangled grammar, it's 6 a.m. and I'm hungover) As for the unsubstantuated hatred towards an undeniable masterpiece, I, as a long-time hardcore Homestuck fan, shall bring up exactly this thing, Homestuck. It's a long-ass (about 8.000 pages, if I recall correctly) webcomic with one of, if not the most complex, complicated and mind-blowing plots of all time, with about a hundred characters which of whom has a clear purpose for the plot, and many of whom have compelling stories and character arcs. Of course, if you take something as complex as this, it would never escape its fair share of controversy. Is this character handled well or badly, was this subplot necessary or not, oh no, I expected this character to do that instead of this, oh no my OTP is ruined etc. Keep in mind, Homestuck fandom would never be so infamous among the Internet for its toxicity if it wasn't comprised of stupid spiteful teenagers, and stupid spiteful teenagers are rarely able to accept and understand a piece of art as a whole, to really analyze what they read and move past the percieved flaws. So yeah. There was a shit ton of toxicity, heated debates, hatred and haters, death threats from one middle-schooler to another etc. It was only natural that, when other people on the Internet looked at this shitshow, they were quickly to judge and criticize the comic itself even though they had never read it. Yes, Homestuck is not perfect, it's far from it, because no thing this complex can be perfect; it's like a gemstone - the bigger it is, the more flaws it will unavoidably have. But it is nonetheless a ground-breaking (nay, medium-breaking) multi-faceted masterpiece with hundreds of layers, and it takes years of re-reading and analyzing just to get a gist of it. And understanding how genius it is despite its many flaws, learning to look *past* them is what made it possible for me to see other pieces of art in the way I do, appreciating them and accepting them as a whole. Webcomics such as Tragedy of Fortuna or 17776, shows like Steven Universe or Infinity Train, visual novels such as Ace Attorney are ground-breaking in their own ways, they bring up moral and philosophic questions, they make you think and re-value things in your life and how you look at it, and this alone should be enough to forgive them some underexecuted character arcs here and there.

[@dragonking2248]

I do admit that I can be passionate about some shows, however, I totally agree that if someone does not like my show that's all okay. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion, however that does not give you the right to call it garbage or me garbage for liking it. Honestly, I just do not get why lots of people have to bash things these days.

[@sirjax9007]

FINALLY,,, a take I can actually agree with.. I Can accept that the show does have it’s flaws, but when it came to writing it was like fighting tooth and nail so Steven universe wasn’t allowed to have the ending it wanted due to being canceled and given a short amount of episodes to wrap up the story. I know it’s not the satisfying ending we all wished it would be, but maybe things would have been different if Rebecca could actually write the ending she probably intended.

[@WaffulTaim]

I just hope new generations don't feel ashamed to watch this show and talk about it in these times, they have all my support and it would great if they hold the show dearly as much I did back before; learning about emotions and mental health, being the actually main part of the history you don't know how cool is that for me!, basically Steven universe said to me ligma ❤😁

[@warriorcatkitty]

It's funny that you just watched the show, cause I also just checked it out very recently, just this month actually! It's honestly a really good show! It has a few flaws but like... literally no series is perfect imo. I love Peridot. She's best character. Second best is Pearl

[@Soy_boi]

I think a lot of the hate on Steven universe comes from those of us who watched it from the beginning. We were so excited and loved the show and loved everything that it was building up for, we were very emotionally invested and were not knowing what to expect. And one thing that the show did a really great job of is making us really hate diamonds. That’s why a lot of us did not like the redemption arc. Because they made literal space Nazis and then told everyone that they have to forgive them. Then you re-watch the show and see them only ever punish people who have been abused in a striking out because they have been hurt but only ever forgive people who just spout hateful rhetoric. That’s where I think a lot of the justified hatred for the show comes from. It’s not the show isn’t good, it’s that it is so good and yet it has underlying themes of forgiving genocidal Nazis and people who are bigots and giving them a second chance instead of giving those who need a second chance. It’s like getting a beautiful and delicious dessert, and it taste great but then having an awful aftertaste that makes you violently ill later.

[@christopherbennett5858]

Yeah. It was a mess. It just felt like someone took the playground philosophy of “forgive and forget” and actually tried to apply it to things like genocide, Coercion and straight up abuse. Which was either seen as malice or, by most people, insane naivety from the creators who bought and sold it so eagerly. Rise of the TMNT also had a similar issue with the character of Baron Draxum. However, unlike Steven Universe, the one good thing was that they could actually defeat him. But dear lord, his presence in season 2 dragged him and Mikey down Big Time.

[@dweebteambuilderjones7627]

@@christopherbennett5858 Rebecca Sugar literally believes in forgiving everyone, even abusers, so it's definitely naivety.

[@christopherbennett5858]

@@dweebteambuilderjones7627 which wouldn’t be so bad if things were different. However, she had this habit of making the abused quiet so only Steven can talk for them. Or, in the case of curing corruption, have the abuser be the only one able to fix said abuse. Which is just disgusting.

[@dweebteambuilderjones7627]

@@christopherbennett5858 Agreed, the first/third-person limited perspective of the series really worked against it by making it so that Steven had to be the one with the most agency when fixing the Gems' problems. Should've been third-person omniscient.

[@faeyzaihsanulfikri9975]

I’ve loved steven universe so much as a kid I’ve sometimes said to myself it’s in the big three of cartoons network shows alongside regular show and adventure time after I watched the entire show people say it has problems such as that some characters don’t deserve an immediate redemption or it was rushed but I have accepted that’s what other people think and I do think it has some flaws but it is what it is

[@Bruh-ez5ff]

ASH DID IT HES A POKÉMON MASTER NOW LAST EP I CRYED

[@GenericProtagonist118]

I think the last recent series that's been perfect to me was Amphibia. Despite not getting the tie in movie treatment it was a really solid series.

[@vibinglemon6156]

I have a lovehate for steven universe. Mostly that just comes from my absolute hate of Rebbecca sugar and her terrible story telling. I honestly refuse to believe she planned half of the stuff in that series like she tries to get us to believe. Not only that but steven's need to constantly redeem the villain is just...... rlly annoying sometimes.... like Bismuth? yeah totally you can redeem her, Jasper? maybe I'll let it slide. BUT THE SPACE FASCISTS??! idk but it just seemed so....... unsatisfying to have these huge space dictators taken down with the power of 💕💕love and family🥰🥰 definitely, this show did do great things for the lgbtq community and helped me myself embrace being a part of it!

[@tuschman168]

6:13 *overstated Don't worry. All the great KZbinrs get that wrong. Hello Future Me did it twice in one video.

[@daniapfel9673]

Yeah

[@samuelvelsic2469]

I watched steven universe when future was ending, honestly it is a good show, the off models dont really bother me, maybe if they were of model in the same episode it would but i dont remember that, as for the rushed ending and story arcs, yeah but thats whats happening to owl house now and nobody seems bothered, the one thing that people dont really understand is, diamonds never redeemed themselfs, steven changed their mind but they never actually redeemed themselfs, show even goes out of its way to show reactions of other characters seeing diamonds, theyre stevens last choice when hes having trouble in future, when they appear at the finale of future, noone is happy, they think its going to be more problems, as far as ive seen their mind was changed, white accepted she isnt perfect, blue accepted pinks loss and yellow accepted that shes got tired of everything, they were never redeemed, they just tried to fix things because of steven, the only remainder of pink they had. If they were redeemed they would appear more in fuute and most of the characters would be happy to see them, thats not the case.

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Personally, I never really vibed with Steven Universe, more because it's not my thing. I just didn't really like its aesthetic, and it just wasn't really for me. So yeah, I'm fine with people who like it, just not for me. As for Velma, I despise that steaming pile of unfunny garbage, but I will give it credit that the animation is actually alright. If it was for a show that was actually good, I wouldn't mind it. But yeah, I have watched multiple clips of Velma, and the comedy was so bad that it actually made me physically sick. Not even joking. Cool video, bro.

[@Whatisthisgremlin]

Avatar and Steven Universe deserve fandoms…VELMA DOES NOT Quick edit: don’t blame the shows for their audience of some people who coincidentally are terrible

[@mastername5373]

I think people should be able to dislike whatever they don't like.

[@Minymonkey]

We live in a world where as soon as someone feminine is Introduced into a show Let's just say that every single living thing in the show and the character go through some messed up stuff

[@williamking331]

rewrite that, or I'm going to nuke you for your crime of writing!

[@ladyheavdev]

I'm 24 and Im the same exact way. If something bad is in theatres and on TV I just say "Well that looks like garbage", and move on. I have too many better things to do in life than focus on bad fandoms and bad TV/movies.

[@zackfross98]

But Velma is hate-baiting. So, you can't fault the fandoms to shit on everything about Velma even if those criticisms are unwarranted. The animation is decent and stood out for an adult animation, but it's not amazing enough that it's gonna change people's opinion about it. When it's blended with very shit writings and directions, everybody will crap on it as well. It's like the cheerleader and fratboy effect in Gumball when the characters surround themselves with pretty people, they all look pretty. Surround the animation with ugly shitty everything else, the animation looks ugly.

[@abigaillizard4864]

What I don't get is that people saying that the Diamonds got redemption arced when they haven't! They didn't change because they wanted to, they changed so that Steven, aka to them Pink Diamond, they are trying their absolute best to keep Steven from leaving them like Pink did. They finally have "Pink" back and they don't wanna lose that, so they do everything in their power to keep him with them. TL;DR Diamonds weren't redeemed but instead forced to chill out with the threat of Steven leaving them like Pink did

[@LackOfBrain]

Correction: 3:06 They're the Crystal gems The crewniverse I think are the animators, the people who work on the show

[@jeremycards]

Steven Universe was always great for me, but i dunno, i guess i'm 35 years old now, and the people that hated it were probably teenagers or something, because kids and adults that watched it sung nothing but praise for it in my experience. I did hear about the toxic fandom it had, but my friends and everyone i knew that watched it just loved it.

[@JamesMSmithsDeadYouTubeChannel]

My mantra? Don't join and associate yourself with fandom bullshit, and you have nothing to worry about...

[@Lovelys_art]

this dude just spoke everything i ever wanted to hear. YUHHHHH

[@ChalkMuncher]

Off model designs were intentional for steven universe, meant to give the animators more freedom, creative liberties, and input into how the show looks, no body complains about this with ok-ko or any other that does that as well.

[@RioGascar]

It is shocking and little sad of the fair amount of cartoon or animation youtuber analysis i’ve watchd. Yours is one of the first time i’ve seen someone bring up the animation bible that is richard williams animator survival guide. and even more to hear some of the principles mentioned.

[@SilverSaiyanAce]

Wait why Is Velma in the thumbnail it literally has no redeeming qualities unlike the other 2 in the thumbnail Wich were pretty good but with certain bad parts that some fans just can't get over

[@daniapfel2825]

Yeah

[@BigbossLee]

Man, I used to watch Steven universe as a kid, and I just watched a whole series again. it was the same

[@pepitopacquiao]

I like the TMNT 2012 series, seems like a bit underrated show, but sometimes the fanbase.... (only a portion)

[@TehPlayerOne]

I grew up watching this, and the slight idea that someone would not like it would be shocking, the characters in my opinion are developed, and it has a well-made story and world built for the series, though it has faults, it's still pretty good! I might also have a bit of a bias because I grew up with it.

[@jasonnilson8108]

it’s reasons like these why I hate the internet

[@mrpalaces]

Very solid advice about switching to data

[@fnaf6491]

Doodles: Steven universe is good Me: so you've learned the truth CONGRATULATIONS!

[@petertraicer]

Oh yes, we will have a Steven Universe Explained (with bad doodles)? I would love that. BTW, the drawing of lapis that you use.... DAMN, thank u for that.

[@jtoadgamer723]

I already know Steven universe fans are gonna be so pissed when you referred to the main 4 as the “Crewniverse”. Btw the people who animated the show are referred to as the crewniverse now them

[@KirboBoy]

Since you haven’t done a star versus the forces of evil video yet, can you at least talk about/recap total drama?

[@NicoJumpyXXL]

wait velma has a fandom?!

[@Thefishisthefish]

My friend keeps trying to get me to watch Steven Universe and his only explanation on why is lesbian space rocks, you’re explanation made a bit more sense