So... How Good Is Justin Herbert?

You know what's the most interesting thing about Justin Herbert? It's the poetry he inspires. Since entering the league, he's been quite a muse to his lovers and haters alike, inspiring gushing sonnets and vitriolic haikus, though the latter mostly from Dolphins fans. And it's ironic, considering he's the least interesting star athlete of all time. So why does this milquetoast all-American inspire such varied takes? What makes him such a lightning rod? Are his skills truly worthy of such a spectrum? Or is he simply just somewhere between good, bad, or even mid? Let's take a closer look at the complete opposite of the Dos Equis guy and try to answer once and for all, how good is Justin Herbert?
#nfl #lachargers #justinherbert #losangeleschargers @Chargers
0:00 How Good Is Justin Herbert?
0:45 Justin Herbert Back story
3:25 Herbert's Rise and Fall...
4:16 Herbert Analysis
7:33 Justin Herbert Verdict

[@eshark4266]

I like your video.. it seems some people didn't fully watch it and left a comment. I think you're spot on. Now with Harbaugh, a good defense, a running game. He's gonna be top 3 hopefully.

[@jpas61904]

Herbert is an elite qb. He's not the one who is losing the games. He's the one keeping us in the game. Our defense is mid af. He deserves to be on a better team!

[@gamesguitarsandcars]

Na... if the D was mid they would have more wins. The D is actually straight trash. For instance this last game Herbert leads a 10 play TD drive, then the D gives up a 1 play 75yd rushing td. Herbert leads a late game drive to tie it up with clutch 4th downs then the D gives up a 40yd pass right after to setup the Lions for a game winning FG. Stuff happens all the time. Its rare for the Chargers D to do enough when it matters then if they do its the Oline giving up instant pressure. Chargers doing Charger things. Same stuff happened during the Rivers era unfortunately.

[@aaronsams8605]

Next drew Brees, his defenses are actually worse in points allowed and yet people are like "he should just play to win" and ignore the fact that for a 27 point collapse to happen, you have to allow 27 points in a half, something the chargers are amazing at under the villain of this story: "defensive guru" Brandon Staley. The worst defense to make the Superbowl was the 2011 New York Giants, at a lowly 25 ppg allowed. Upon entering the playoffs, the giants' defense allowed just 14 ppg, which allowed Peyton Manning's mediocre brother to defeat Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan on his way to a superbowl. Brandon Staley has coached one of the most talented defensive units into the ground and then made them drill 4 spots lower to the worst defense in the league. He has arguably the best linebacker corps in the league, two excellent safeties and *had* two excellent corners until he ran JC Jackson off the team. Yet the defense is dead last in pass ypg and 2nd to last in total ypg ahead of only the broncos who are still recovering from their 70-20 whooping by the Dolphins. The only teams this year with a better record than the Chargers are the 6-3 Dolphins and the 5-5 Colts. The Dolphins are an easy one to figure out, they have a rushing offense. The colts on the other hand allow more ppg and score fewer ppg. So far their biggest wins are against the Ravens, who they absolutely stifled defensively and the Texans who were also stifled somewhat as the Texans offense couldnt finish drives and had a fumble deep in their own territory for a short TD drive. The rest of the colts wins are against some of the worst teams in the league in the Patriots, Panthers and Titans who are 6-22. The chargers losses come to the Dolphins where the OC ran the ball 40 times despite having both of Herbert's top targets in game (a sight rarer than winning lottery numbers). The defense would allow 536 yards that game. The Titans who would win by 3 points even after Herbert would drive 61 yards for a game tying field goal for OT. The defense allowed Ryan Tannehill to throw for 246 yards with an 83.3% completion percentage. Herbert played a turnoverless game. Then there were the Cowboys who also won by 3 points because the Chargers DLine somehow played a good game despite being a low point of the team. Herbert would throw for 227 yards on 37 attempts for a sub 60% completion percentage and a ypa of 6.1. Herbert would lose this game with a game sealing INT after having scored a game tying touchdown earlier in the 4th quarter. It should be noted that all of LAs timeouts were wasted before the 2 minute warning, once with over 7 minutes to play and another following a sack of Dak Prescott with 30 seconds remaining before the 2nd quarter. This terrible clock management is another staple of Brandon Staleys tenure. The KC game, Herbert had every chance to win, but in the 2nd quarter when his defense finally decided to play, he threw two picks, one which ended the game. This is really the only game he lost for his team. His rushing offense finally clicked and the defense, although allowing 24 points in the first half clamped down and nearly shut the chiefs out in the 2nd. Finally we come to the worst offense, the 41-38 loss to the Lions. The lions would have 533 yards of offense, 200 of which would come on the ground. The Chargers D would allow 6.5 ypc and 8.3 ypp. Herbert would finish the game with 4 tds to 1 int. 323 yards and a completion percentage in the realm of 65-70%. His rushing game however was atrocious again though, less than 3.5 ypc outside of his own scrambles. Herbert would stage a 14 point comeback and lead 5 straight touchdown drives to tie the game 38-38. His defense would then allow the lions to drive into field goal range almost unhindered to score a walk of field goal, completely wasting one of Herbert's greatest 2nd half performances. I dont think its fair to say "welcome to being a quarterback in the NFL" because yeah, you do play to win, but so should the rest of your team and the rest of the staff he plays for as well. I dont think that any quarterback under this regime would have a winning record. He simply plays too well while everyone else plays too poorly. His coaching staff dont draft good players, evidenced by their obsession with tcu players this year, especially that of Max Duggan. They knew that Herbert had one deep threat on the roster in Jaylen Guyton but refused to draft one in the late rounds, specifically the fastest man in the draft, Trey Palmer who fell to the 191st pick and has more yards and ypr than 1st round pick Quentin Johnston despite playing behind mike evans and chris godwin, both of which may be HoF recievers. The staff are also entirely responsible for the failure of the defense, which is as talented as any other unit in the league, and the horrible clock management, which reflects entirely on Staley himself. His run game has been below 4 ypc for 3 out of 4 seasons, meaning he constantly has to be the sole playmaker for his team. Finally the injuries. Herbert's receiver corps has for the most part been incomplete, as well as many other positions on the team and Herbert himself. He has played through broken ribs and a broken finger and still has played at a top 10-5 level, meanwhile the rest of his team has played at a bottom 5 level. I wish Herbert had never signed his new contract, there are other teams with a far better situation and less braindead coaching staff that would've gladly taken him but here we are, watching the next rendition of Philip rivers. At least he'll make the hall of fame in the end, even if he has to have every opportunity at the big game shut down by the players around him.

[@footballthreat]

That was by far the longest comment ive ever gotten. Agree with you. Definitely concerned with herbert’s future with the chargers too. Heres hoping ben johnson gets his chance. Though im concerned that the chargers will somehow squeek into the playoffs and they will keep this staff.

[@aaronsams8605]

@footballthreat Herbert will bail Staley out another 5 times like every other season and the Spanos family will be unable to leverage staleys contract with the bare minimum of success

[@arendiaz3788]

Drew brees???? hell nah more like Matt Ryan🤣🤣

[@aaronsams8605]

@arendiaz3788 the difference is Herbert played better while choking than he did while winning and Ryan played worse while choking and better while winning. I guess it's Herbert's fault that his kicker missed a 40 yard field goal when he had already made a 50 yarder that same game and was automatic at that distance all season.

[@arendiaz3788]

@@aaronsams8605 Unfortunately, no one will recognize that, at the end of the day they will only see the score.

[@BratatoChip]

He’s fucking elite

[@nextin_dabuilding2908]

It's only one elite QB and that's Patrick Mahomes

[@BratatoChip]

@@nextin_dabuilding2908 not true

[@robertd.7060]

@@nextin_dabuilding2908 He is the BEST NFL QB ! But , it's closer then , what YOU would say ? He HAS the NO # 1 HC , NO # 1 DT in Jones , NO # 1 TE and now the NO # 1 kicker in the NFL , who hasn't missed 31 kicks in his career , I"D bet , let alone 31 in 2 years time , maybe close to the NO 1 # CB duels in the NFL ? ANY one CAN go & look up these facts . Injuries have killed the Chargers for the past 2 years real HARD . Which means Herbert has done way MORE , with a LOT less ON the field to help him out ! And even with much weaker teams ON the field , he plays the Chiefs , WAY better then [ ANY ] other NFL QB has done .

[@bmdub]

When you realize who Herbert has had to throw to the last two seasons it starts to make a lot more sense, even outside of his injuries. All you have to do is look at Mahomes this season, as their receiving talent drooped, to see what that does to a star QB. Do the chiefs make the playoffs this year with a bottom 5 defense like the chargers? Are the chargers drafting at #5 with a top 5 defense like the chiefs? Another key factor that wasn't mentioned in this video is the running game. It's a QB's best friend. Herbert has never had a run game he could rely on in any way. That also negatively affects play action and puts the entire weight of the passing game, as well as the entire offense, squarely on his shoulders.

[@robertd.7060]

Do the Chiefs make the Play Offs , with OUT the NO # 1 HC , NO # 1 TE , NO 1 # DT , NO # 1 kicker & maybe the NFLS NO # 1 CB duel ? Sure are a LOT of NO # 1's , I have listed here , notice I left off the NO # ! QB , too off this list ? AND if Mahomes is way more above & better then ALL QB"S . Why didn't he make his AVG WR"S much better ? Herbert's been DOING this , now , it looks like his 5 year career coming up , this year , with his NO # 1 & NO # 2 WR"S , now gone !

[@johnmontgomery9100]

If the Chargers had a defense Herbert would be even better than he already is.

[@footballthreat]

I can see that. The defense has definitely been a problem for Herbert. Better field position would have definitely helped his stats.

[@robertd.7060]

And a kicker in his 1st [ 2 ] years ! 18 & 13 missed / blocked kicks . Just how MANY wins , was lost in those games ? 5 to 7 games !

[@isokiller2346]

It’s pretty much getting the Matthew Stafford treatment 🙄🙄

[@footballthreat]

Hopefully he ends up winning a super bowl with mcvay.

[@shilohennis4223]

Great video man. One small recommendation I have is that sometimes your delivery is a bit hard to follow for me because of the pauses in the middle of sentences. It made it hard for me to tell where some sentences started and stopped. Overall very good analysis and good video.

[@footballthreat]

Thanks for that. Thats some actionable advice. Ill keep that in mind for when I record next!

[@opticstem5496]

Even with Broken ribs, he was better than %75 of the leagues other QB’s😂 keep up the content❤️

[@robertd.7060]

I ALSO would like to point out this MAJOR fact . In Herbert's 32 CAREER lost games , he has lost 14 of those games by 3 points OR less & [ 5 ] of those 14 lost games was VRS the Chiefs . You might have heard of that team the past 5 years ! Yes 14 lost by 3 points , could he have won some of those games, yes , maybe ? But , I think in the case of the Chiefs games , he did go down & get the lead , just to have his REAL [ BAD ] defense lose those games , right at the end [ JAGS ] Play off game , you see, what I mean ! Which he had [ 0 ] turn overs in & they were on the road [ 2000 + ] miles away & was the ONLY AFC Play off team that week end , that did face the starting QB of that team . 1 of ONLY 2 NFL teams to score 30 points , that week end , Jags were the only other team to do it . Bills & Bengals faced BACK up QB"S and at HOME !

[@thegreatderpino3853]

"alright dolphins fans" lol they despise him

[@footballthreat]

It is pretty hilarious. Especially cuz you don't see the same hate towards Tua from Chargers fans. Surprisingly, none of them have showed up yet.

[@abriaangel9986]

Those fish people stay in Chargers Twitter comments, unsolicited. 😂

[@brandonmiranda3046]

Nope saw it last weekend with the lions no one can defeat the Brandon Stayley problem

[@Ill06Taco]

You ain't seen nothing wait until you see him play defense yo

[@footballthreat]

He can tackle. Ive seen it.

[@Ill06Taco]

@@footballthreat he can also catch his own passes

[@LouieOcean.]

Justin Herbert is really damn good anybody who knows anything about ball knows that!!!

[@rickpeterson8825]

Herbert is elite the defense is trash! You really got nothing else to do bud!

[@footballthreat]

I'm confused, are you saying I think Herbert is bad? Because if you watch the video, I make it pretty apparent that I think he's top 5.

[@horsekfobster7823]

The defense literally won the last game while Herbert played trash, you Herbert fans stay silent when he’s trash but want to insult every other facet of the team once he plays good in a loss

[@tristant9309]

@@horsekfobster7823 they lost the last game 41-38 to the lions not sure how allowing 41 points is winning the game? I assume you're talking about the jets game, in which Herbert didnt have any turnovers (Mahomes and Josh allen did). He still managed to get them the W in the end and I wouldnt say he was trash since the jets probably have the best defence in the league. He did what had to be done to win the game and that's all that matters in the end

[@horsekfobster7823]

@@tristant9309 Obviously I’m talking about the Jets game you dunce, he played like trash and was bailed out by defense + special teams. Since you want to talk about no turnovers, he had 1 in the Lions game when he threw an interception on the first play of his drive. They needed a FG to tie it so maybe if he didn’t throw that INT they would’ve won. That doesn’t even factor in all the other games he lost like the Cowboys and Titans game

[@tristant9309]

@@horsekfobster7823 yeah mention the 1 int but don't mention the 4 td passes... or the fact he had 5 straight drives that ended in tds in the second half. Dude puts up 38 point what more do you expect him to do, play defence? If you think Herbo is hte problem you clearly don't watch football

[@danielfernandez1129]

Herbert is Elite. i would say though that he is not as savvy as Philip Rivers was. I think he will get there still a young guy

[@footballthreat]

Hopefully the next coach helps him take the next step.

[@Prime_L10]

Good video man

[@footballthreat]

Thanks a lot really appreciate it. Ive got more coming!

[@KidCharlemagne.]

Dude Herbert is a Terminator his team is failing him not Herb

[@footballthreat]

Yeah i know. I think herbert deserves better.

[@jakelarge8648]

Oh man I like how you gave Herbert praise but MISSED on some huge situations. You failed to mention that the dude played through several injuries including bruised ribs (shit sucks FYI) and an inured thumb. His online failed him and his defense was even worse. You even forgot to mention all the crazy clutch throws Herbert had to put his team in game winning scenarios. If he gets the team he needs and coaching, there’s no doubt that he’s top 3

[@isrealtellez3228]

Leading passer with worst defenses of all time lol

[@footballthreat]

Definitely, Herbert has had a rough go of it with Anthony Lynn and Brandon Staley. It's hard not to think about what would have happened if they had hired Brian Daboll.

[@MrBugman3009]

not just dolphins fans, chiefs fans hate him too.

[@andrewbird57]

Wait until after his first season with Jim Harbaugh before diagnosing what Herbert is or isn't. Herbert was a sensational rookie with Shane Steichen as his OC and Pep Hamilton as his QB coach. The subsequent three seasons he's had to endure bad coaching and a dysfunctional organization. Judge him by what he does or does not do in the Harbaugh era.

[@robertd.7060]

WELLLLL. We are OFF to a GREAT start ! A running OC & Gus Edwards is NOT it at RB ? And oh , he is now , DOWN 2 starting WR"S , glad they sucked & were NOT any good , when they were ON the field ! So , yes in ALL of your words , the KEY word is [ WAIT ] ? And even if they stay put at NO # 5 and get 1 of the top 3 WR & that is not a given , they stay put ? A rookie WR & a often HURT J. Palmer on his last year , too . Are your 2 starters at WR & Q . Johnston is now NO # 3 at this point in time [ March , 17th , 2024 ] ? Again , HERBERT"S big problem in his 4 years . IS not his S#CKING HC , His S#CKING OC , His S#CKING defense behind him , his S#CKING kickers in his 1st 2 years ! It's BEEN , they have NOT gotten him any weapons [ DRAFT ] to HELP him try to out score the OTHER NFL teams ! As a real LONG time fan of this team . I HAVE seen this movie before . Dan Fouts area . At least he [ Dan ] , DID , have the weapons around him to score 40 + points per game ?

[@michaeldailey7103]

When the sister Spanos wins her case the Boltz will sell to Jeff B , he will move them BACK to San Diego ( were they belong ) and have enough money to pay an actual HC !!! I grew up with Fouts , then we got Rivers , then Herbert !!! All three are/were great , but Stan Humphries took us to our ONLY SB ?? Coaching is EVERYTHING in this league , the talent differences are minimal !! I'm a 57 year old native San Diegan who tired of being SOOOO close , yet never getting the prize !! Oh well , we'll get um next year ( this is the long middle name of all Bolt fans ) !!!

[@robertd.7060]

You left out Jack Kemp & John HadL , who HAS won this teams ONLY title , be it a AFL 1963 title game . Form 1960 , this team has had some of the BEST QB"S of any AFL / NFL teams & still fall way to short ?

[@truzzprod.8191]

It's prespective Herbert just shows hyprocity of qb convos

[@nalcon1]

Loses came from a defence that sucked. Bad coaching. That's over.

[@kbushfm]

You can throw picks at crucial times without taking risks. You can just throw the ball badly. "He's too careful" and "he throws too many interceptions" aren't mutually exclusive.

[@footballthreat]

Youre right. Youre the first person to call me on it. I was doing my best acho impression.

[@ekkerslovarkia2726]

In hindsight i would say firing Anthony Lynn to bring in a complete dud like Staley has been a near disaster for Herbert's career. Lynn had the kid firing on all cylinders. It is also kinda weird how a defensive HC in Brian Flores came close to ending Tua's career and it took an offensive guru to save it while the Chargers dumped there offensive guy in favour of a defensive guy that did nothing to develope the QB. Staley just rode him as a meal ticket right from the get go.

[@eddieb7001]

The most Interesting thing is that Justin Herbert since entering the league he has been pressured 828 times .....2nd- most in the NFL!!!. He still got Rookie of the Year! and he broke the rookie TD record with 37! and most completions 396!. Harbaugh will change the losses to wins. Dude you are no expert to talk about holes in a professional athletes game bwahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!!!!

[@footballthreat]

What? The video is largely complimentary of him. Im not sure what video you watched.

[@kauaicouple]

Literally the worst take on the internet...

[@footballthreat]

But why? Please explain!

[@Michigan_Wolverine]

Herbert needs to answer the fact he is a choker