Small correction on Talisman of Evasion, it gives slightly more than 15% EHP. An easy way to understand this is change the evasion chance to 50%. If you have 50% chance to evade, you don't have 50% more EHP, you actually have 2x. I'm not 100% confident in the exact answer, but I believe 15% evasion gives 17.6% EHP. My math, though possibly wrong, is you have 100% chance to get hit, now you have 85% chance to get hit, so 100/85
@MG-po6jc6 ай бұрын
That is true
@iTzTiMeToJuMp6 ай бұрын
Your math is right. Its 1 / (100-Evade%)
@theMichaelFFF6 ай бұрын
Bash can't miss. Something else too, I believe.
@СергейСафонов-э7з6 ай бұрын
Crit can't miss @@theMichaelFFF
@Крёстныйгусь-я5щ6 ай бұрын
Yes, thats correct math. But don't forget about spell attacks, it ignore evasion, so overall you'll have about +15% total hp, may be even less
@2nightwehunt6 ай бұрын
Ok I guess cleaning the entire rotting apartment can wait: Grubby released a tierlist of items from a game Ive not played for 10 years!
@PersonallyOptimistic6 ай бұрын
This works as a podcast, get cleaning!
@JVDAWG16 ай бұрын
Listen to it while you clean.
@slydoorkeeper47836 ай бұрын
Multitask, don't be lazy, responsibly needs to be a priority. You'll thank yourself later.
@RadouaneSbaa6 ай бұрын
Don't listen to people telling you can clean at the same time, you MUST hear it all very religiously and even playing it back and reverse the sound just in case there are some hidden gems... You go king (I didn't play for 12 years and I have never been good at it anyway...)
@ayhanfedai50136 ай бұрын
I was like you when I was young newer delay any responsibility and have them in the back of your head , insted do them as Quick as posible and be in peace
@Tempest_Murder6 ай бұрын
I like how I can barely remember my mom's birthday, but I can damn sure identify low resolution Wc3/WoW Icons by smell alone.
@EkkoMr6 ай бұрын
barely is on point. :D
@pho3nix-6 ай бұрын
Lmao
@HellecticMojo6 ай бұрын
I'm gonna call your mom
@xm214-aminigun9Ай бұрын
After 17 years of knowing dota, i still don't know what half of those items are supposed to be. They look like jumbled up magical junk, and i love them.
@РусиМинев-ж6б6 ай бұрын
We need a CREEPS tier list! Please Grubby!
@miorioff6 ай бұрын
Maybe mercenaries as well? Or maybe even tier list of EVERY spell/skill, not just for heroes 😊
@JVDAWG16 ай бұрын
+1
@alexsuarez70176 ай бұрын
What would a creep tier consist of? Doesn’t make sense to me please explain. Aren’t they already color coded? Green yellow red
@Crustee06 ай бұрын
@@alexsuarez7017how good they are to fight against, their drops (if they have), how unique. Color code is not "tier list" lol, altho yeah its a tier in a sense of how "hard" the camp is to fight against
@Gaze736 ай бұрын
@@alexsuarez7017 He made a tier list of death sounds, that's even less info than you get from a creep.
@itsDolphincat6 ай бұрын
The fact there are so many S tier items is what gives WC3 a lot of its charm and replayability for me. Each game is a mini RPG where you get dopamine hits finding such a fun assortment of items. WC3 has me not wanting to win sometimes because I'm having so much fun with a decked out hero. Hard to find that level of charm in games today.
@DivineBanana6 ай бұрын
When you get all the claws on the BM 😩
@PhuongTran-hm4dy6 ай бұрын
I like it that while Grubby was busy explaining what each item does, the chat was having a flashback on Dota 1 items.
@Cleav3r6 ай бұрын
Helm of Valor, Hood of Cunning and Medallion of Courage are now +5/+5 which actually makes them very good. Especially to some heroes like Blademaster and Demon Hunter, Helm of Valor is practically Crown of Kings. Also Wand of Mana Stealing now steals 60 mana each charge and is considered broken in certain situations. In the meantime, Pendant of Energy and Mana are nerfed to 100/250 and lots of players actually sell them sometimes these days
@myuan8196 ай бұрын
top editing - esp. 1:14:35 - always entertaining ;) can't believe I'm still watching grubby in 2024...
@rawkhawk4146 ай бұрын
That made me lol. The close-up on the slow water drinking sealed it lmao.
@IamBaum6 ай бұрын
Addition to the claws of attack vs Gloves of Haste part. The gloves is better on heroes that have an innate "Fix - dmg bonus"" on Auto attack. Firelord (Incinerate) Potm (Searing arrow) Naga (Frost Arrow) Dark Ranger (Black Arrow) [...] Example POTM: Lvl 5 Potm with lvl 3 searing arrows (+48 ptr patch) has 80 atk dmg. She has an BAT of 2.33 with an innate atk speed Bonus of 50% (25 agi) Base DPS: 53.22 (80 / (2.33 / 1.50)) + Gloves: 56,65 (80 / (2.33 / 1.65)) + Claws: 54,72 (85 / (2.33 / 1.50)) (Aura not included) So for her, the gloves are better than the claws.
@paeinlitsch6 ай бұрын
also it should be considered that attacking faster gives you the chance to land another hit on a retreating unit before your hero has to run after it. with claws, slower attack means you could miss the window for that extra hit. this applies to all heroes but might be especially crucial for a pit lord with cleave?
@IamBaum6 ай бұрын
@@paeinlitsch Thats also a valid point.
@Arbeta100006 ай бұрын
16:30 The actual effective health increase is at around 17.5% If it were 15% effective increase then that would mean a 100% dodge chance is a 100% increase in effective health, when really it would just never die to attacks A helpful way of thinking about it is to say that the effective attack damage for opponents attacking you is reduced by 15%, down to 85%. From here, we can check how much extra time they have to hit you to deal the same amount of damage they did before by looking at how much larger their previous effective damage is compared to their current effective damage. 100%/85% = 1.1764... So they have to spend roughly 1.175 times as much time hitting you to kill you at 85% damage effectiveness, which is the same as saying your effective health is roughly 1.175 times as large!
@antonk.6536 ай бұрын
Very good point! A 100% dodge chance is an infinite effective health increase, so the math around the duration for attacks to kill you is correct. Very nice. Does a dodge chance affect area damage? Is it like in WoW with 50% damage on dodge?
@REgamesplayer6 ай бұрын
But your damage is not reduced. Chance to hit is 85%. I did not seen anyone count percentages like that, it is usually what chance for some event to happen. Since your damage is not reduced, this item can be perfectly useless. Or it can happen exactly on a curve and yield 15% increased survivability. Or can be incredibly lucky and give you 200% more survivability.
@antonk.6536 ай бұрын
@@REgamesplayer Correct in theory, but given the number of attacks you usually need to kill a hero, it is incredibly unlikely (practically impossible) that you get cheated out of your 15% effective damage reduction.
@REgamesplayer6 ай бұрын
@@antonk.653 That only works throughout the game. If you have to make a killing blow, that 15% can proc like 50% of a time and then never proc again. Random chance is a random chance and it should not be understood as a flat 15% survivability increase even if it is more easy to think about it in that way.
@antonk.6536 ай бұрын
@@REgamesplayer What do you mean by "never again" after a 50% chance? Where does that 50% come from? And lets distinguish between statistics and individual chances, I am aware that this "effective 15% damage reduction" only works throughout many attacks.
@TrueGector4 ай бұрын
1:04:03 A bit more details about Orb of Corruption and Armor calculations. Effect of the Orb is more potent on targets with positive, but low Armor, and less potent on targets with high Armor or Armor far below 0. Speaking numbers, it will be exactly 24% damage increase if the target has exactly 4 Armor. If the target has 10 Armor, it will be only 17,6%. For 100 Armor it will be 3,55% more damage. For -100 Armor, surprisingly, only 0,02% more damage. A maximum damage amplify, 25,08% damage, will be for targets with 3 Armor - as it takes the most efficient first pieces of armor and gets to the negative side =) Took official formulas from battle net.
@Zaiderdarkstar6 ай бұрын
These tier lists gave me a lot of insight about when to use these and how the game is played overall even without actually seeing it in practice, I love the thought process behind all of these, great video!
@Grimmy_UA6 ай бұрын
Dude, look a those icons... they are just perfect!
@rakeNerino6 ай бұрын
Nice one Grubby, perfect videos to fall asleep on with a bit of nostalgia, haha! Small correction though: If I recall correctly, the red tome you speak of at 25:41 is Tome of Power that grants +1 level; the brownish one gives flat experience.
@elementaltamago12976 ай бұрын
Back when brilliance aura was much stronger, runed bracers was S+ tier for human versus undead, since your win condition was largely just keeping your AM from getting nuked lategame.
@kevingross10076 ай бұрын
Never enjoyed tier lists till Grubby started making them. Now I’m hoping he does new tier lists for every balance patch going forward
@dawnzela15286 ай бұрын
Now that i a broke teenager can buy the game wc3 via the money i recieved from my family after passing my 12th grade finals im looking forward to enjoying this item tier list to help me understand the game
@nothinphasesme55736 ай бұрын
You can download this game for free tho?
@dawnzela15286 ай бұрын
@@nothinphasesme5573 im quite positive its a paid game but if u have a waybplease do enlighten me
@dawnzela15286 ай бұрын
@@nothinphasesme5573 i am not aware of a way in which u can get it for free but if u have a way sir please do enlighten me
@wasmachensachen64736 ай бұрын
@@nothinphasesme5573 its a blizzard game what are u talking about
@GakisStylianos4 ай бұрын
@@nothinphasesme5573 Can't play online vs players for free
@DivineBanana6 ай бұрын
My first ever World of Warcraft guild i joined was named "circle of nobility" and it wasn't until i started watching grubby and picked up wc3 again i realized it was a reference to the item "circlet of nobility"
@spectre9065Ай бұрын
1:44:20 To clarify Grubby's remark about Gloves' scaling, Gloves only gives +18% damage to the hero's base attack speed. That is, before agility or other items are factored in. 50 agility gives a hero +100% (2x) base attack speed, so if a hero has 50 agility, he only gains +9% DPS from Gloves.
@Christopher-tr1xu4 ай бұрын
I never knew your channel existed..so happy I found it. WC3 Frozen Throne is my favorite game of all time this is so refreshing ..the matches etc.
@aurorasun-qs1pg6 ай бұрын
Thank you, my cardio playlist likes these talks
@JVDAWG16 ай бұрын
My fellow youtube while cardio chad.
@Saithisalexandra6 ай бұрын
Goblin land mines were an instant win item. As soon as you got them no matter where you’re at, or what you’re doing…just place them right in the middle of the opponent’s base and you win. It was bugged iirc but removed very shortly! Yeah I’m old lol
@QuintemTA6 ай бұрын
I used to buy multiple Circlet of Nobility back in the day. I rarely saw others doing. I specifically went out my way with Undead to buy it when I could. I'd buy at least two (sometimes three) and give them to my Lich that's my second Hero. Suddenly Lich has 100 extra HP, 1 armour, 4 attack and 60 mana plus the extra regen. Everyone would target the Lich like their life depended on it, my Lich would come out the gate with stats of a Lich almost 1.5 levels higher. Probably saved my Lich on more than one occasion. Glad to see, it's value is noted more these days. I'm not 100% but I swear you could get Necklace of Spell immunity on a 4 vs 4 map way back when. Might of been changed since. It was from basically level 10 camp. Of course obscenely powerful but when you've got between 8-16 heroes (sometimes more) it's not as impressive to have one that's immune to spells/magic. Unless it's PotM using Starfall. GG WP. EDIT: Could of been the Amulet of Spellshield, I know that one was modestly common on 4 vs 4 and FFA maps. Great video, all these recent videos are making me want to play again, Reforged really left a sour taste in my mouth and I've mostly played Age of Empires 2 to get my RTS fix.
@CyanMentality6 ай бұрын
Yo cheers for this Grubs (& editors!). And thanks for all the relivant footage dude. I imagine thats a real time sync when making these videos but it's mad helpful seeing the items in context with your knowledge VO. Killin'it!
@flibbernodgets70185 ай бұрын
5:23 I could have sworn it was "Boots of ElvenKIND", but I can see where the confusion might arise. This is also the name of a DnD magic item, which is probably why they changed it.
@NealX_Gaming6 ай бұрын
Best item was the "Ring of j33bus" from the Footman Frenzy minigame. Which, I might add, me and a friend once were able to actually buy, despite it costing 100,000 gold and most people didn't even think you could ever earn enough to get it! One of my favorite gaming memories ever.
@Prawnsly6 ай бұрын
Oh god that unlocked some deep dwelling memories in the farthest corners of my hippocampus... footman frenzy was always my favourite
@danbarnes37526 ай бұрын
Lmao what did the ring do??
@NealX_Gaming6 ай бұрын
@@danbarnes3752 Conferred invulnerability and like 9999 damage to the hero wearing it. Essentially guaranteed win, but it was considered a joke item because the price was so high with the money you'd spend to get it, you could have won 4 times over in other ways. But me and a friend managed to get a game with the conditions just right where we decided, "screw it, let's go for the Ring of j33bus". Then we got it and put it on a my Meta Demon Hunter. Great times.
@yrrahio41696 ай бұрын
brother ive played custom maps with items giving +20k stats and unique spells on top of it . There is always more.
@joeblunt61266 ай бұрын
Footmen frenzy 3.8 Yeeeeeeeaaaashhhhh!!!!!
@fastmadcowАй бұрын
This is why Warcraft 3 is special and eventually lead to one of if not the most played MMORPG of all time WoW. These items were the start of that journey. It’s amazing to see the creativity and imagination the devs came up with for an RTS. I love watching you analyze the items (other tier list as well), surprised as well to see so many S tier, but it totally makes sense after thinking deeper about the game as a whole.
@charlesdarwin63006 ай бұрын
2:00 it apllies to any melee hero carrying an orb. Ofcourse, the actual bonus then only applies to attacks against air. Same goes for Alch. 1:45:08 Since critical hits are a direct dps multiplier, if claws are better dps then claws are better for crits too. There are corner cases when it's not always true, since crits can't miss meaning more crits = less evaded/missed hits.
@GrubbyTalks6 ай бұрын
Ah yeah of course true. There was a short period of time where Claws wasn't used for Crit damage (DARK YEARS!) but that functionality has been restored.
@rainbowskin33796 ай бұрын
Considering Warcraft took A LOT of "inspiration" from DND I'm guessing the boots of Elvenskin was to avoid copyright issues with WOC.
@nofoxgiven65616 ай бұрын
Think it was boots of elven kind once upon a time? Still yeah, wotc probably caused them to change it.
@highlordlaughterofcanada86856 ай бұрын
@@nofoxgiven6561It was, Grubby had the old name wrong.
@jamespadgett86606 ай бұрын
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 I KNEW I wasn't crazy! That's what I remember reading it as.
@highlordlaughterofcanada86856 ай бұрын
@@jamespadgett8660It makes sense, the boots haven't been called that in over 20 years. I don't blame you for being unsure.
@khatack6 ай бұрын
If I recall correctly, the Doom Horn only gives 0.5 hp per second, so it's only about 150 hp bonus if you get to regenerate for 5 minutes. If a fight lasts around a minute, it's 30 hp for units that don't die before that. I don't think the regeneration part is that good.
@ihatemylifenot48876 ай бұрын
Worse than that. It's 0.3 hp per second. I think Grubby is vastly overestimating how much actual regen you get in a game
@ihatemylifenot48876 ай бұрын
It's even worse than that lol. It's 0.3 hp per second. In a 1 minute fight that translates to 18 hp for units. The regen is vastly overrated by grubby. Like if the game lasts for 10 minutes after you get the item (already kind of rare - that's a long game), that's 180 hp for units that are under the aura and injured constantly. Compare that to Khadgar's pipe. If a fight lasts a minute that's 30 mana for units. That's sooooo much better. 30 mana is enough for many heroes to get off one more spell. For casters that's a huge amount considering lots of their spells are 25-75 mana cost.
@TheRealMycanthrope4 ай бұрын
In a vacuum, sure. But it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Pair it with a scroll of regeneration, or some blight healing on undead and all of a sudden it's a valuable bit of extra healing.
@khatack4 ай бұрын
@@TheRealMycanthrope No it isn't. A dime is worth a dime even if you also have a Franklin.
@NickR06 ай бұрын
Today I learned that items in Warcraft 3 are quite good. I will be sure to utilize this knowledge if I ever play the game.
@Tomoyo_Sayomura4 ай бұрын
29:44 somebody must have told you before, but some Chinese pro players don’t pick up these tomes because “tomes” and “defeat” sound the same in Chinese
@JoshSweetvale3 ай бұрын
Warcraft Reforged lets you ship whole stacks of potions and scrolls to the next mission. And both March of the Scourge and Culling of Stratholme drop Medals of Valor. Arthas with +10 Int and Str, with two regeneration scrolls, whoop whoop!
@nikolaipasko6 ай бұрын
“They could be smart… but they are night elf players” Cold!
@zhuzhong746 ай бұрын
I just love Grubby’s seamless joke and the deadpan delivery. That’s why I watch this even if I’m not intending to even download the game.
@Psychology-Edge6 ай бұрын
Falling asleep to grubbytalks is like bed time story telling for grown ups
@sandro55356 ай бұрын
Fun fact Lich has the highest int of all heroes and a level 10 Lich gets same amount of mana from sobi mask as a level 2 brilliance aura. Yet sobi mask is valued as high as it is. Speaks volume of how op brilliance aura is. Best aura in game, even more after endurance and unholy nerf.
@udozocklein60236 ай бұрын
isn't it sobi mask? or are you talking about another item
@sandro55356 ай бұрын
@@udozocklein6023 Yes, spelled it wrong. I correct
@ercaner_buzbey3 ай бұрын
I think the tomes are actually buildings in the games coding or so. Because when you use it it leaves a tiny red place holder which prevents building upon it, it is just extremely small and unclickable.
@hakerbow5 ай бұрын
Regarding the talisman of evasion as compared to +4 armor. The value of armor depends on how much you already have. If you have 0 armor a ring of +3 armor is a little better than the talisman. the armor giving you 118% effective health. But as your armor increase the +6% from a point of armor becomes a smaller and smaller fraction of your effective health. But the talisman always increases your effective health by 17.6%. If you have 7 armor you have 142% effective health. So the 15% evasion with its 17.6% effective health multiplier would take you to 167% EHP. An increase of +25% EHP. So if you have 7 armor or more then talisman of evasion becomes better than +4 armor.
@BartoszBanachewicz6 ай бұрын
Amazing, I was just thinking to myself, we had hero tiers, unit tiers, would be really cool to see items as well. This is so perfect, and when i saw the runtime i knew it's gonna be great and in depth. Can't wait to watch it tomorrow.
@RobinOnTour6 ай бұрын
Robe of the magi gives extra auto attack dmg not spell dmg or did i get something wrong? 31:00
@mbeyfoe59896 ай бұрын
yes, noticed this aswell. +DMGE from int on int heroes does not increase spelldmge like blizzard or flamestrike. But it passively increases dmge like from critical strike (+agi) cause dmge is calculated by the hero melee dmge
@SpiceCh6 ай бұрын
43:00 - One tiny, minor and probably insignificant thing: Talisman of Evasion doesn't strictly speaking give you 15 % more effective health, as the damage it can "block"/evade can theoretically be anything from infinite to a peasant's auto attack. If you're lucky and it blocks every Lich auto attack in an engagement, odds are it gave you a lot more than 15 % extra health during that engagement, whereas, if it only blocked a random archer attack or two, odds are it gave you more like 5 % extra health. Static health and armor bonuses always increase your effective health, but Talisman of Evasion and similar effects introduce a level of randomness. You evade around 15 % of all auto attacks coming your way, but there's no telling whether those are high or low value unless you're fighting nothing but human Knights.
@jlwonderful80196 ай бұрын
I want to ask, I think there's an item called Ankh Of Reincarnation. Is it removed or just exclusive to custom maps because is not there. Sorry if anything wrong
@NEUNELFER9115 ай бұрын
In the end of the video
@JVDAWG16 ай бұрын
The people demandeth more tier lists, and grubby provideth 🙏
@TheUnkow6 ай бұрын
Amenth.
@LepriconKiller6 ай бұрын
@@TheUnkow Hallelujahth
@IschmarVI5 ай бұрын
amazingth
@ruidasilvamartins6 ай бұрын
It's still always a pleasure to watch your videos Grubby, after thoses great years =) The joy continues !
@willknox64075 ай бұрын
5:40 the boots had there name changed due to them sounding like boots of elven”kind” from DND, and the wizards of the coast threaten legal action. It’s the same reason the steam tank was changed to the siege engine.
@daneli44146 ай бұрын
man, these grubby talks are better to listen to than my lectures in school lmao
@milosmudrinic20166 ай бұрын
Great tier list. There's no need for tier lists to be bell curves. If a lot of items are good, they're good.
@Prawnsly6 ай бұрын
Grubby is too extreme for normal distribution. He's hardcore
@IschmarVI5 ай бұрын
yeah, the bell curve distribution assumes normal distribution. But as game elements are usually balanced on an individual basis and towards a specific design goal, this normal distribution is usually not actually present. Oftentimes, a good tierlist may still look like a bell curve, but ther are also a lot of cases, where the balancing is, for example, more top-heavy, like here. And it makes sense, because there are a lot of items that are supposed to be used every time, making all of these items as "s tier" as an item can possibly be.
@HiveFleetOni6 ай бұрын
So happy that this channel morphed into WC3’s premier tier list channel! 😄
@Audon41506 ай бұрын
Those "Scroll of Regeneration" dubs were funny x)
@drumunism37816 ай бұрын
You need to rank all your tier lists! Let’s see your tier list tier list!!!
@lexclouds75626 ай бұрын
3:37 MK is so small that I didn't notice him at first
@BebopMansion6 ай бұрын
I don't think the argument of claw of attack +5 is always better than glove of haste is valid. The table seems to show dps increase of a base stats hero not considering stats and damage increase from other item. Since claw of attack is a fixed damage increase, its effectiveness decrease the more your hero has damage. Attack speed however is multiplicative so the dps increase in % should be the same regardless of the damage of your hero. So the more dmg the hero does the more attack speed is better than flat damage
@raidenimpact78854 ай бұрын
Wait 31:05 has me confused I thought intelligence didn’t effect spell damage? But the video clip leads me to assume otherwise? Am I missing something?
@jerrygreenest4 ай бұрын
59:09 «You could counter-play this if you were smart, but they're night elf players» 😂😂
@CalciumChief6 ай бұрын
1:00:09 "I need more Ds" - Grubby 2024
@pho3nix-6 ай бұрын
This is the video I have been waiting for. All orbs need more love!
@conshumo4204 ай бұрын
Now thats a good play list of tier list! Love it, alredy see them all. Could u make another ranking mercenaries? I think that can be interesting to share and learn. Sending love from Argentina ❤
@gregor97346 ай бұрын
Creep and mercenaries ranking incoming next. ❤
@codyschulte96494 ай бұрын
Creep tier list when? Like which creeps are annoying to deal with, most rewarding to kill, or even worth hiring at a mercenary camp if you're able to do so. Just thought it would be an interesting concept
@bencheevers66936 ай бұрын
I really liked this video, I wish you would have created a F tier, moved everything down one and seperated the S tier into the proper S and A, maybe even add a S+ tier because as is you can't actually tell what the best items in the game are because half of them are in there, just my preference but the video was great as is. Maybe do a follow up where you take your existing list and move them into new categories and just explain the comparisons. Cheers
@mizark36 ай бұрын
1:14:30-50 You better not! Editor MVP!
@elverdaderoechomikeoscar6 ай бұрын
10:00 Can you delay Kodos if you have Battle Drums?
@GrubbyTalks6 ай бұрын
yes
@elverdaderoechomikeoscar6 ай бұрын
19:21 amulet of spellshield is good for for any ultimate that your opponent wants to interrupt your channeling but still loses to raider's ensnare.
@IschmarVI5 ай бұрын
orcish player be like *select raiders* *hover mouse over enemy hero* *E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E*
@Bethos1247-Arne6 ай бұрын
Finally, it has come to this. FINALLY!!!!
@pedrodu36266 ай бұрын
17:00 Armor in wc3 is calculated to have a fixed increase of effective health for each point. Talisman of evasion is x1.15 the total effective health, no matter the armor you have. (Bit more than 1.15 actually because of how % work but you get the idea). In terms of raw effective hp, talisman is actually better on high base hp/armor heroes. So use it on melee tanks.
@pedrodu36266 ай бұрын
Or on a hero that you will heal often, as a heal is basically a situational increase of effective health. Tldr: use it on a hero that will take hits. Make sense right?
@undead._6 ай бұрын
so then no one targets the melee tank that also deals 0 damage? 🥱
@pedrodu36266 ай бұрын
@@undead._ That's what you get for playing against real humans.
@undead._6 ай бұрын
@@pedrodu3626 damn ima start playing at mars server then
@sapio1993Ай бұрын
Serious opinion: I don't see why a tier list should be a bell curve! From a game designer perspective, for example for a fighting game, it is probably better design if all characters were at the same tier / power level. Same for the races of the game, or classes in an FPS. I am not sure for items in WC3, I should think more deeply about it, but I would say having all the items equally worth their money to be at least a "not-bad" design (as long as they were still different and not equally powerful depending on the situations). And, by the way, I think using the am I buying / am I selling criterion was a very good one to represent power levels.
@chingizzhylkybayev85756 ай бұрын
"You could counterplay it if you are smart... baaaaht they're Night Elf players!" lol Grubby going for the killshot there
@XtReMz986 ай бұрын
Good luck on your search for your new editor! May you find a Tier S editor!
@ianwalker22596 ай бұрын
You got me back into WC3 and rts in general Grubby. Thanks! Ladder games have been fun once I found my mmr.
@kristoferjhess6 ай бұрын
Loved this video. I have found these tier lists a very helpful format for me to learn more on how to think about WC3.
@payumovhonnemarvinb92886 ай бұрын
Hero Abilities tier list when? Or just straight up Abilities tier list of every unit in each race? Love your tier list always
@highlordlaughterofcanada86856 ай бұрын
Already exists
@MrOlivaresf3 ай бұрын
I keep watching each of your tier list videos from beginning to end. Will drop by your Twitch channel soon to give a donation!
@sniperdubey6 ай бұрын
Tierlist three of requesting a WC3 Tierlist Tierlist once you run out of Ideas Grubby. Rank your tierlists on a tierlist. Maybe April fools next year? I rate this one S tier for the sheer comprehensiveness of it all.
@Chesterr.B6 ай бұрын
Listen to Grubby talking about warcraft for 2 hours? YES
@gugl210006 ай бұрын
It might have been said by others but I'll say it anyway: I think you're not taking into account that items take space, having an item doesn't come free. Also- when discussing the aura items, the races who already have said auras DO get the benefit that their opponents DON'T get to have these auras and they can just sell that item so ironically Human gets the most out of finding pipe and so on. Great list, Grubby!
@matthewgary68436 ай бұрын
Submitting my resume for your new editor since they kept the water chugging in this video.
@TheKiest6 ай бұрын
Great stuff. I’ve watched all the tier list stuff and would love to see Hots ones.
@winsonsonho2 ай бұрын
Please rank all units together in one tier list? Maybe just S, A, B units into S, S-, A, A-, B, B-?? Pretty please! 🙏❤
@Lizzieeeeeeee3 ай бұрын
I never realised until now that the Runestone item that represents the rune powerups is a stone with the Magical Sentry icon on it sideways :O
@superskateboardingentertai92286 ай бұрын
Grubby on every single Warcraft 3 item -"This is very strong, This is Powerfull, goes to Tier S".
@dtibvgz84416 ай бұрын
Not going to calculate, but Glove of Haste (or any attack speed boost like items boosting agility) is improved significantly by Alchemist's Chemical Rage. Incredibly important fact ... for custom maps.
@YouEra6 ай бұрын
Maybe claws are better in a vacuum than gloves in dps, but by increasing attack speed, gloves give you the opportunity to apply effects like orbs etc. Gloves can be better
@ernestomarcos01036 ай бұрын
I understand why Belt of Giant Strength is not the most exciting drop but at the same time it's basically a better Periapt of Vitality at worst and we know some heroes like to buy that from the Shop. Edit: Yea the Necklace of Spell Immunity is found in the Oracle Orc mission from RoC, in the NE mission where you free Illidan and in the Rexxar Campaign and the Goblin Mines are found in the last UD mission from RoC, the Illidan mission and the Archimonde mission from NE AND the first UD mission from TFT, King Arthas (you basically either used them to kill Farms or to kill the Altars in the middle).
@G1ingy6 ай бұрын
Sometimes I wonder how different this game would be if items affected and could be used by units with Backpack upgrade.
@AresKusa14 күн бұрын
the damage is just incredible with that wand of lightning shield
@SoffiodiFiamme6 ай бұрын
I got a cool idea: what about Unit Ready sounds for each unit? Kinda like the Hero death sounds
@aprinnyonbreak12906 ай бұрын
Ready to work S tier
@Number1139.06 ай бұрын
38:05 tome of knowledge and tome of power share the same icon
@carlorielmendez65056 ай бұрын
One thing I've realized is that GrubbyAI voice would have been a strong lecture text-to-speech choice for students. The clarity is good. People would just play grubbytalks videos for hours, and it keeps me awake.
@TheNeiven6 ай бұрын
Immunity to Spells was something that you could in RoC Night Elf Campaign
@The-jy3yq6 ай бұрын
RoC Orc Campaign as well! Try killing the Razormanes yourself - you'll see
@Djnekro23026 ай бұрын
I havent even played warcraft since elementary, and dont enjoy it even after trying it again, or any rts for that matter except DoW, but I have spent like 25 hours a day listening to these tier lists for last month since the hero ranking lulz
@duhsakadsoul18242 ай бұрын
as a fan of warcraft 3 , this video is very useful and helpful, now i'm curious about all the Artifacts and unique item and legendary items which is an S tier level .
@TheDoomerBlox6 ай бұрын
Orb of Darkness would be a fantastic drop instead of Crystal Ball, but a Ring of Protection+2 in the drop table of Spell Shield / Staff of Silence / +300 Hp / +250 Mp
@Thor_Q6 ай бұрын
My very first Mage 🧙♂️ in vanilla WoW was named Sobi in honor of the Sobi Mask item at 18:37
@NicanorVillanueva86 ай бұрын
i think the red tome is "tome of power" which gives 1 level exp
@Gorvinhagen6 ай бұрын
I wait patiently for the tier list tier list.
@yurei96 ай бұрын
This reminds me of when I was a kid, playing pirated wc3 on my nephews pc and always getting excited whenever I found new looking items even though I don't really know what it does, but the icon itself is already really cool for me
@Commander_Pandashan6 ай бұрын
Omg probably the most interesting tier list in the game low-key 😂❤ love yaaa
@Ferventyell6 ай бұрын
Amazing, i was waiting for this one!
@SwabcraftCreates6 ай бұрын
Boots of speed definitely deserved tier S, as what other item is as critical for so many strategies and playstyles? Only the Scroll of Town Portal. As for others, I have seen so many games where your heroes were saved by runed bracers or periapt of vitality. The instant sell of rune bracers is slanderous for such a good item, which gets much better as the game goes on and your opponents can spam more mana pots. S tier against hero focus nuke undead. B tier because of low immediate use, A tier the first time it prevents a death, S tier for lategame really.