So... Let's talk about that POKÉMON BIBLE (feat. Lockstin)

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Bisa

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@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 13 күн бұрын
Hello, hello! It's been a hot minute, and this video itself is already just over three weeks late, sorry about that! As such, with a topic moving at such an insane pace and of such magnitude, a fair amount of the info here is already a bit out of date, but fret not I will correct myself, elborate, and cover all of these things in later videos, as I mentioned (though please, do feel free to correct me in the comments, as long as you're civil about it, it's good for the algorithm). Again, a huge thanks to Lockstin for giving me a hand with this video, it was an honor to work together with him again after all these years, and I hope we can make something more out of it. Next video will be, as promised last time, the video on Pokéballs, though I will also try to make it find y'all sooner than expected. Have a good one!
@docalpaca
@docalpaca 12 күн бұрын
"it was an honor to work together with him again after all these years" You have worked with him before? I never missed that entirely!
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
​@@docalpacaNot here, but check out my 1000 sub video if you wanna know just a little more ;)
@korayefedemirel1557
@korayefedemirel1557 12 күн бұрын
Do you know where I can find all "P mits" stories. I only find some on the internet.
@korayefedemirel1557
@korayefedemirel1557 5 күн бұрын
The cutting room floor has
@Gnoggin
@Gnoggin 12 күн бұрын
It's all just so cool!
@soulcrossing4310
@soulcrossing4310 9 күн бұрын
Surprised that so far nobody is talking about that Arceus FOUGHT PRIMEVAL GIANTS BEFORE CREATION. One would believe that sh*t ton of lore would get everyone's attention over "Typhlosion, you rascal".
@carafurry7862
@carafurry7862 12 күн бұрын
"Over one thousand images of reference material" Artist: yeah baby! WoooooOOO!
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
It's over two thousand if you count ones that aren't specifically about Pokémon, actually!
@raymiemiller1455
@raymiemiller1455 12 күн бұрын
Petition to call this leak "The Dubious Disk"
@frakspikes2619
@frakspikes2619 11 күн бұрын
seconded!
@Gloomdrake
@Gloomdrake 11 күн бұрын
No wonder it broke Porygon-2. Total knowledge of the entire history of creation, all of it false
@boyboilNEO9055
@boyboilNEO9055 10 күн бұрын
​@Gloomdrake it wasn't the creation it could handle that it was typhlosion
@pencilsharpenerwithgooglye7382
@pencilsharpenerwithgooglye7382 8 күн бұрын
I SECOND THIS!!!!!
@metaemperor
@metaemperor 2 күн бұрын
You genius
@AlexleStar24
@AlexleStar24 12 күн бұрын
I'm glad people like you and Lockstin have stepped back to look at the stories that were leaked and saw that they wasn't as bad as people were making them out to be. I also enjoy Lockstin's reading of the creation mythos. Great work to both of you!
@WhiteCresentKnight
@WhiteCresentKnight 11 күн бұрын
People going in and actually doing real translations and not just using machine translations definitely helped dispel misconceptions
@paulnewton2284
@paulnewton2284 12 күн бұрын
Very cool and interesting information. One thing that caught my attention was that in the Piloswine story, it is Piloswine's eyes, heart, and voice that he asks his companion to burn, the same parts that are associated with the Lake Trio. Clearly, whatever magic burning those parts and singing the song invokes is related to them.
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
These specifics are *all over* the myths. It's something I'm definitely going to go much deeper into in a dedicated video.
@Solo_the_Nerd
@Solo_the_Nerd 12 күн бұрын
The Pokemon "Book of Genesis" sounds like beautiful creation lore. Maybe even an intro fit for a Pokemon game.
@nidohime6233
@nidohime6233 12 күн бұрын
Something I like about the leaks where there describe a prototype of Pokémon myths is how it resembles real life. Many religious books like the Bible did changed overtime to suit the cultural trends and moral shifts over the centuries. For example there often omit the existence of other gods from a time where Yahvé used to be part of the polyteistic belief system of Ancient Mesopotamia, or how one saint or another was actually a woman, or in the 1970s a group of archeologists found pages known as the Gospel of Judas where they depict him as an ally of Jesus rather than a traitor. This kinda feels like we found an archaic version of the myths of Sinnoh, what there originally looked like before there where water down over the years.
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn 8 күн бұрын
Pretty sure the whole thing about yahve being originally part of a polytheistic pantheon is not reliable enough to be considered "fact", its more of a theory than anything else afaik
@dolcethesmorse1890
@dolcethesmorse1890 12 күн бұрын
Woah can't believe how important Dragonite, Tyranitar and Gyaridos were to the lore of Arceus
@DragonieZazzyS
@DragonieZazzyS 2 күн бұрын
Metagross too, despite not getting a part in the story
@sinisternorimaki
@sinisternorimaki 7 күн бұрын
I love how the creation myth puts a new perspective on Dialga and Palkia's origin forms (even if it's likely to be just that, a myth, and not intended to be literal, I mean, it calls Gyarados a god, that's like the whole "seahorses are baby dragons" thing).
@millieadamczyk7540
@millieadamczyk7540 6 күн бұрын
I really love your translation of the creation myth and I aprpecaite you being normal and realistic about the myth bits we got in the leak. Big respect to you and Lockstin for both being like that about them. Also wonderful reading from Lockstin too!!
@daniellelondon439
@daniellelondon439 12 күн бұрын
I love the creation mythology, I’m very glad we got the full arceus transmutation circle with notes on what Pokémon goes where, as well as how the Pokémon world was created. It’s just so cool!
@keikoe5661
@keikoe5661 11 күн бұрын
note that none of those are final though! this is the first draft of the creation myth, there is actually about 7 that are leaked. Also, alot of the circles are switched around in the "final" one for the game, as well as an added circle for giratina who wasnt originally part of the creation trio
@Magmaster13
@Magmaster13 12 күн бұрын
I get the impression the Rapidash one was written by the head of Vermilion City's Pokemon Fan Club.
@frousteleous1285
@frousteleous1285 8 күн бұрын
Just realized something interesting. The 16 pieces of the shell are the types of pokemon if you remove normal and fairy. Arceus doesnt need a normal plate, as it's normal type by default, and fairy wasnt made in real life yet. So this creation myth would now need 17 giants. Or an explanation that the fairy type came later in-world as well.
@starsilverinfinity
@starsilverinfinity 7 күн бұрын
Fae usually are entities coming from adjoining or parallel realms So it’s entirely possibly the fairy plate/titan just infiltrated the world and brought the typing with it
@WhiteRaven696
@WhiteRaven696 12 күн бұрын
For me, the biggest part of this is all of the games' source codes. This revolutionizes fan games and ROM hacking.
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
Depends, really. It won't have an effect on most over-the-counter ROM hacking. PRET can't really make use of- well- anything from this leak whatsoever, really. Having the SDK is great, but setting up the correct environment for it might also be a really tall hurdle (though definitely not one that can't be overcome). Sure, using this code over a "clean" reverse engineered decomp will ultimately only change what you're getting a C&D over, but I honestly think it won't be *as* huge of a boon as it might seem at first.
@acetrainerdevin1164
@acetrainerdevin1164 12 күн бұрын
I'm less familiar with rom hacking so I won't comment on that, for fangames (at least pkmn essentials ones) this has like next to no effect
@shingshongshamalama
@shingshongshamalama 12 күн бұрын
CIRCULATE THE FUCKING TAPES
@leandersearle5094
@leandersearle5094 12 күн бұрын
@@BisaPKMN The net code for pokemon bank might help with logistics (if the shade that gets thrown over GF's programming skills is wrong, at least).
@akiradkcn
@akiradkcn 8 күн бұрын
Didn't we had source codes of past games being leaked years ago too tho? In the end these past leaks didn't helped the rom-hack community at all afaik
@pining_tree6788
@pining_tree6788 7 күн бұрын
Honestly mad respect for the leaker not only avoiding making any future game info public, but the personal info too!
@JimFaindel
@JimFaindel 12 күн бұрын
Fantastic job my friend! Loved how the final translation came out in the end, though I do wish everyone else could hear your recordings too!
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
SoundCloud, soon™!
@shingshongshamalama
@shingshongshamalama 12 күн бұрын
Wait. How could the dude cut a Rapidash's mane off? It's literally fire?
@NdieCity
@NdieCity 12 күн бұрын
That sort of stuff happens all the time in myths
@felixfire6583
@felixfire6583 12 күн бұрын
​@@NdieCity yeah, in greek myths heracles somehow cut the hydras heads with a club
@shingshongshamalama
@shingshongshamalama 12 күн бұрын
@@felixfire6583 "But you can't chop with a club!" "I'm not sculpting an axe."
@leandersearle5094
@leandersearle5094 12 күн бұрын
@@felixfire6583 It's Heracles, I'm sure if we had more preserved writings from common people of that era, we'd find the equivalent of Chuck Norris jokes about him *everywhere*.
@jvbon646
@jvbon646 11 күн бұрын
​@@felixfire6583 Well, you see, it was a very sharp club
@SpontaneousProcess
@SpontaneousProcess 12 күн бұрын
Wow, I'm out of the loop. I didn't even know there was such a leak! I'm surprised to hear people are saying these myths are inappropriate... They remind me of that one norse myth with the seal woman. A seal came out of the ocean to sunbathe, and left its skin on the rocks to dry. (Without its seal skin, it's just a human woman). A hunter steals the skin, marries the skinless seal, has some children, and eventually the seal finds her skin in the man's closet, puts it back on, and swims away. What Game Freak have written is very similar to this; nothing unusual there.
@Oceane1803
@Oceane1803 12 күн бұрын
Is that what inspired the animated movie Song of the Sea ?
@ilexdiapason
@ilexdiapason 12 күн бұрын
that myth describes the creatures known as selkies!
@evanpereira3555
@evanpereira3555 12 күн бұрын
I mean it is inappropriate for a Pokémon game, which is why it didn't get into the final product. But yeah there isn't anything problematic here, just myths and stories being as weird as in real life (my favorite children story is Bluebeard, which is a lady finding she married a serial spouse-killer).
@brilleon
@brilleon 8 күн бұрын
@@evanpereira3555 right, people were like "THEY PUT THIS IN A KIDS GAME!?" what? but . . . they didn't lol
@cartoonishidealism582
@cartoonishidealism582 6 күн бұрын
Animal bride stories are fairly common in multiple mythologies. There are multiple Japanese stories similar to this, I mean, basically every single story about a fox spirit has them take human form to seduce a man
@user-vz1mm3rh8w
@user-vz1mm3rh8w 7 күн бұрын
Dream World source code would be a dream come true
@DustyStarrz
@DustyStarrz 7 күн бұрын
YES OMG??? I know someone is trying to reassemble it as much as possible actually, so if we managed to find code for it, omgggggg
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 6 күн бұрын
There is actually a decent chunk of code in the documentation that was retrieved!
@emilycarey7667
@emilycarey7667 6 күн бұрын
Those leaked stories have the feel of ancient myths and legends - which is honestly quite cool. People need to chill out and read some history.
@diurtydantv8061
@diurtydantv8061 12 күн бұрын
The misinformation around the leaks is crazy. People seriously think it's just degenerate spank material when that's not even what those stories are.
@marlonhoek-po7gw
@marlonhoek-po7gw 12 күн бұрын
based on real stories, by the way. anyways, here's a fun joke: Vaporeon: one! Typhlosion: Two! Gardevoir: THREE! Gardevoir & Vaporeon: Not only you and me! Typhlosion: Got 180 degrees!~ Gamefreak: oh we look so freaky!
@unripetheberrby6283
@unripetheberrby6283 11 күн бұрын
Awesome video~ I am hoping hard Nintendo and GF doesn't get discouraged by the leak and people spreading impressions or jokes.. And that those exposed by it can stay safe & sound. :( 🙏
@Salil-p4t
@Salil-p4t 6 күн бұрын
THE ARCEUS DETAILED STORY IS AMAZING OMG THERES SM STUFF TO LEARN
@bloop284
@bloop284 12 күн бұрын
Dang, I clicked on this because I thought there was a new leak involving Bulbasaur, I didn’t know it was your persona.
@munchrai6396
@munchrai6396 4 күн бұрын
These new lore details do a really great job of weaving in many aspects of different legendaries into the lore. Though I am curious when the various rivalries between gods began. Both Kyogre, Groudon and Palkia, Dialga are currently fierce rivals who can barely exist on the same plane of existence without fighting each other and causing chaos. It makes me very curious as to what is the cause of such strife
@Miksy51
@Miksy51 12 күн бұрын
I have heard of Arceus being a mom rather than a creator dad of Dialga and Palkia (in Lost Pause, where he also covers the leak, the divorce selfie of all places XD). Also saw a SaltyXodium comic based on that. Glad He's the Creator! (And in one comic he said that he's the Father and the Mother since he can create life from nothing. My favorite quote :) ) But this video/document is amazing! Ayyy more Llama Dad Arceus essay content :>
@AIDreamBeatsMain
@AIDreamBeatsMain 12 күн бұрын
10:45 Yeah, actually, I would say that it’s shocking to have seen this community show such a lack of reading and reading comprehension skills when this whole franchise is literally built on reading. We read the cards when we play the TCG and the games are not known for voice-acting… We have ALWAYS had to read our Pokémon adventures, sans the anime series.
@Shinntoku
@Shinntoku 12 күн бұрын
Way too many people just mash A through the text and then complain the writing is bad
@charnalk5572
@charnalk5572 12 күн бұрын
We're talking about the average Pokemon fan lmao, especially on X/ytb whatever. It's a massive fanbase, with most not going past the surface lvl of what is shown to them.
@koboldgeorge2140
@koboldgeorge2140 12 күн бұрын
>adults who play baby games for children are bad at reading Damn big if true 🙄
@AIDreamBeatsMain
@AIDreamBeatsMain 11 күн бұрын
@@koboldgeorge2140 … And claiming something is “for babies” is a sure sign of maturity. 🙄😐 I can guarantee, you would not have said this in person to my face.
@AIDreamBeatsMain
@AIDreamBeatsMain 11 күн бұрын
@@charnalk5572 I suppose so. Still blows my mind though. Pokémon was what got me to skip reading levels so quickly as a kid. I loved it.
@sevasentinel4146
@sevasentinel4146 6 күн бұрын
Knowing that two pseudo legendaries and Gyarados descend from the Hoenn legendaries is so cool.
@_GuestFive
@_GuestFive 12 күн бұрын
Finally conformation that the egg came first
@Miksy51
@Miksy51 12 күн бұрын
Also since Dialga and Palkia are based on Izanami and Izanagi, boning sorta makes sense? But still. Like the Arceus comment I made. I like it a lot :>
@lionhart1517
@lionhart1517 12 күн бұрын
Interesting that there there is no mention of Giratina. And the labeled diagram of the Sinjoh ruins is missing a circle that the final one had. Wonder what changed...
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
Giratina was initially planned as a separate legendary entity, not part of the Creation Trio.
@lionhart1517
@lionhart1517 12 күн бұрын
@BisaPKMN interesting, cool!
@jvbon646
@jvbon646 11 күн бұрын
Giratina wasn't part of the Creation Trio originally It was supposed to be an artificial creation, a chimera, before they changed everything to fit a new version of the story, which was the one to make it into canon lore. So basically, at first Giratina was like a Type: Full
@tlst94
@tlst94 8 күн бұрын
How'd Platinum have looked like with Arceus as its mascot? 🤔
@nuggit6480
@nuggit6480 12 күн бұрын
I know there’s multiple different, conflicting versions of the Pokemon Creation myth, but the few that I have read have portray Palkia as a female and ancestor to “Humans” and Dialga as a male and ancestor to “Pokemon,” which makes more sense to me considering Palkia (both forms) appear more humanlike to me (the Origin form resembles a centaur which is half man) and dialga remains quadruped in both forms. “Pearl” being feminine and “diamond” being masculine also makes more sense to me, but that’s just my take. I would be interested in a video that goes in depth into all versions of the creation myth, and it’d be even better if you could collaborate with someone fluent in Japanese to confirm the translations we were given, because there’s always something altered or loss in translation, particularly because of cultural differences.
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 11 күн бұрын
You might've read one of the later iterations then, which, IIRC, make that switch, but yeah, details are very inconsistent between them all. Going by the Ia and Ea prototype names Palkia is actually the Diamond dragon and Dialga the Pearl dragon, all the way in pmyth07, which was written last of the numbered/creation ones (I turned this around for the translation I show in the video).
@NovaSaber
@NovaSaber 11 күн бұрын
It also seems like the Lake Trio's roles were swapped around.
@patrickkirchner2254
@patrickkirchner2254 4 күн бұрын
Wait, people looked like dialga?
@andrewcogdillcole3826
@andrewcogdillcole3826 6 күн бұрын
6:40. Wasn't there a movie about Mew living in a tree of life? Maybe that one is THE tree of life slowly regrowing from the stump after the gods cut it down
@rita6355
@rita6355 12 күн бұрын
Yell at EVERYONE who calls game freak devs weirdos and gooners I swear the wonderful art they make is being ignored just to make typhlosion jokes and it pisses me off
@ghostthelizard
@ghostthelizard 8 күн бұрын
They call gamefreak the weirdos but have they ever looked at r34 for pokemon art? Even if something there was made by a gamefreak employee on an alt account, most of the stuff is not by them. People online have created worse stuff
@AIDreamBeatsMain
@AIDreamBeatsMain 12 күн бұрын
Also, this is my first time seeing on of your videos and I just want to say, I loved the content and how it was presented here. I also really liked your “avatar” being the starter that I first chose about 22 years ago, Bulbasaur! 😊
@BroskiPlays
@BroskiPlays 12 күн бұрын
Whoa a collab with Lockstin! Thats insane for someone with 6k subs
@leandersearle5094
@leandersearle5094 12 күн бұрын
I do want to say that these myths *clearly* aren't cannon, having multiple contradictions with established lore. It's an interesting look into how Game Freak made Gen 4, but definitely shouldn't be taken as Gospel (pun intended, fite meh).
@sinisternorimaki
@sinisternorimaki 12 күн бұрын
They are *myths*. Freaking folklore. It's not that hard to get
@DeathLeprecon
@DeathLeprecon 6 күн бұрын
Creation myth would be so cool if the Lake Trio weren't so prominent in it. I can never buy that third rate Mew ripoffs created the Weather Trio.
@Ed-ss1uh
@Ed-ss1uh 6 күн бұрын
Great video
@Azlanom
@Azlanom 12 күн бұрын
LOCKSTIN COLLAB YIPPEE!!
@MaxWelton
@MaxWelton 11 күн бұрын
Dialga and Palkia have genders? The Lake Trio is…their children?!?
@Reinoiro
@Reinoiro 11 күн бұрын
They fucked up my lesbian creation duo headcanon
@sinisternorimaki
@sinisternorimaki 7 күн бұрын
Reminder that you can't spell "creation myth" without "myth".
@Animelover3819
@Animelover3819 12 күн бұрын
Huh, I swear in previous translations the genders of Dialga and Palkia were switched.
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
@Animelover3819 Ia and Ea, the Prototype names for Dialga and Palkia, are not 100% the same across all the myths!
@keikoe5661
@keikoe5661 12 күн бұрын
@@BisaPKMNso theres actually a good explanation for this In this version of the myth, Dialga is in fact, the girl. And Palkia is the boy. In another version of the myth, which was written after this one, Arceus is referred to as male as "arceus", but also transforms into a woman to mate with a human male to give birth to Palkia and Dialga, who are referred BOTH male. now, in official media, palkia and dialga are only ever referred to as "it" Or "he", so it can be assumed gamefreak settled on them both being masculine deities along with giratina, who is referred the same. And also decidedly not lovers, or barely getting along in general. (Lol) Also, theres a few references to their forms being very different, likely representing the opposite sides of arceus, when in their final designs they have similar features shared with giratina as well as arceus (such as how they all have similar faces), showing how they ultimately decided on the more "opposite twins" dynamic. This lines up with how they ultimately decided to make the lake trio almost like "archangels" created by arceus, who carry the power of the red chain that can calm Dialga and Palkia's rage (i find it interesting that apparently the red chain does not work on Giratina, however theres no explanation on this. Feel free to theorize
@Shinntoku
@Shinntoku 11 күн бұрын
@@keikoe5661 I would argue Palkia is still definitely meant to be feminine compared to Dialga in the final games, they're still partially inspired by Izanagi and Izanami after all.
@keikoe5661
@keikoe5661 11 күн бұрын
@@Shinntokui mean, the genders of their myth dont seem to "necessarily" matter to gamefreak at times, for example Lunala is Camazotz, despite Camazotz being a male when Lunala is supposedly female. Zacian is also "female", but partially based on Skoll, who is a male. there isn't a clear distinction of which one is "which" either, they seem to be more based on izanami and izanagi as a CONCEPT more than individually. However there is a draft where they are referred to gods of light and darkness, and as izanami and izanagi are creation and death, I suppose Dialga was "izanami" (who is the woman), as he was darkness but then again I am a big fan of the spinoffs, where they often call legendaries gendered pronouns 😭 so I kinda just get used to whatever gamefreak calls them there
@keikoe5661
@keikoe5661 11 күн бұрын
@@ShinntokuHowever yeah if I had to put those two designs together I would definitely think Palkia is marginally more feminine, not on account that hes pink really, I think its just the whole bipedal thing.
@lukaelrr
@lukaelrr 12 күн бұрын
Damn it has been a long time, but i hope that your doing alright.
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
Distracted, not healed, but certainly a lot better!
@huguin8411
@huguin8411 11 күн бұрын
I LOVE YOUR VIDS!!!
@chaostheory1k198
@chaostheory1k198 12 күн бұрын
i should have guessed Lockstin is joining you here lol
@phantomboyhalo1112
@phantomboyhalo1112 12 күн бұрын
What happened to corrondum
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
Progress has sadly been slow due to other projects and turbulence in my personal life, but we're still working on it! ^^
@AmberStallion
@AmberStallion 2 күн бұрын
Wait, Piloswine? Was there ever even a Typhlosion story to begin with?! And I hadn't even heard of the Rapidash story. Just a friendly reminder I guess how nutty Pokemon fans can be 😮
@chillhilld
@chillhilld 10 күн бұрын
How is this the second time I have heard the word gooner in a pokemon video!? Is there a different definition than what I know!? Or are we all really talking about the same thing!?
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 10 күн бұрын
I actually don't like how diluted and conflated with "pervert" and such the term has become myself, but I really didn't want to dwell on the specifics of the point too much, so I just put it down on paper and moved on while writing the script. 😅
@chillhilld
@chillhilld 11 сағат бұрын
@@BisaPKMN Oh, please don't think I took anything anyway from it but laughter, it was legit just two specific instances of it appearing in pokemon specific videos and I just had to confirm what was up lmao. Kinda am one anyhow 😂😂
@Miksy51
@Miksy51 12 күн бұрын
And glad this is kinda non canon, since it's a long abandoned leak. And it was like back in the day Pokémon and Humans were the same. Now it's different
@NicaNicu31
@NicaNicu31 12 күн бұрын
Never was a huge fan of Pokemon mythology being so literal, nor of Arceus being literally God.
@jvbon646
@jvbon646 11 күн бұрын
​@@NicaNicu31 Arceus is literally not God (I'm assuming you reffer to the judeochristian one, Yaweh) He's more like an amalgamation of "holy/divine" traits that are common across the many skyfathers and similar deities in various religions. If anything, the PokeCreation mythos is closer to Greek mythology than anything from Judeochristian mythology. Arceus is the "top dog" yet not invincible and defeats a group of powerful Giants, *similar* to Zeus taking on the Titans. Then Giratina is an amalgamation of the deities that people erroneosly frame as "evil", characters like Hades that have been misrepresented by people that only have christianity as their point of refference so instantly say "that's their devil". While Dialga and Palkia lore takes more from Japanese mythology.
@NicaNicu31
@NicaNicu31 11 күн бұрын
@@jvbon646 Yes, I didn't mean it like that. What I meant is that I dislike the direction Pokemon went with the sacralization of Pokemon into a veritable holy pantheon. I preferred it back when it was all tall tales of myths and legends told by unreliable narrators, when we didn't really know the objective truth and it was more likely that all the stories were just how ancient humans rationalized things they did not understand. *Big strong water Pokemon? He must have created the seas!* Like the weird lore such as the child turning into Kadabra, which is clearly not true and is more of an urban myth. But now we have an alchemical circle explaining the gods and their dynamics and it's supposed to be more or less canon? I dunno, when I was playing Gen 4 I took the whole Arceus thing as a local religion, but now people all around the world swear by Arceus and it seems to be pushed as canonically the objective truth. Not a huge fan. To be fair, I am a bit biased by being a huge Mewtwo fan and being disappointed he's no longer canonically the strongest Pokemon.
@jvbon646
@jvbon646 11 күн бұрын
@@NicaNicu31 I meeeeeeaaaann.... Not to be that guy, but Mewtwo was never the most powerful Pokemon, not even back in Gen1 when all we had was the 151 ._. It's more or less a title to hype it up (tho it WAS the most powerful by game mechanics) But in lore, he was unable to beat Mew, they both fought to a standstill except that one was giving his all while the other wasn't taking it seriously (as he saw Mewtwo as a "lesser copy" of himself). So all of those DNA mods made to empower Mewtwo didn't do much. Then factor in that Mew can do everything, can use any Move it wants and even transform into anything else it wants, something that Mewtwo can't do. It was less "THE" most powerful, and more like "The most powerful of all the Pokemon we are currently aware exist here in Kanto". Walk a few miles to the side and you already got Ho-oh and Lugia, or move a bit further south and you got Rayquaza, Groudon, and Kyogre. But yeah, I get what you mean about the myths being how elders justified tge things happening, like the way ancient people made up all the mythologies to explain phenomenom they couldn't understand
@NicaNicu31
@NicaNicu31 10 күн бұрын
@@jvbon646 Mewtwo was also essentially a child, whereas Mew was probably eons old, even if he did act something like a child, which I at least interpreted as him not being as intelligent as Mewtwo, or at least being more naive than Mewtwo. I think if we also take humanity's potential for growth which was now part of him, even if he wasn't at the time of the movie the strongest, he def would have eventually become it. Then again, maybe that's just me coping. I saw the movie a long time ago, and I didn't even see all the subsequent media that included him. The part about Mewtwo in my original comment is more of a throwaway line. It's the rest I stand behind. But I don't remember Mew thinking that of Mewtwo. I assume it was in some media outside the movie? Kinda sad, my impression was that Mew was a kind if a bit naive and playful pokemon, not something that would think badly of Mewtwo for being a copy. I never thought the Gen 2 or 3 legendaries were stronger than Mewtwo, nor do I think the games suggest this in the lore proper. Or at least it's left up to interpretation. Lugia was psychic so it might have been a rival, but no other legendaries show Mewtwo's intelligence. Anyway, I digress back to the Mewtwo talk, it's all super subjective nostalgia on my side. The non-Mewtwo parts of my comments are more important.
@MJcool-su7qk
@MJcool-su7qk 10 күн бұрын
Wait how do we look like the god of time. I going to guess the Dialga has a from we dont know about.
@marlonhoek-po7gw
@marlonhoek-po7gw 12 күн бұрын
me being torn between "i can never like Typhlosion again and now i get stessed whenever i think of it" and "So, that happened... enjoy being part of the club, Ty".
@luchutheblusquirrel223
@luchutheblusquirrel223 12 күн бұрын
Well it was scrapped lore
@stephanie_supreme
@stephanie_supreme 12 күн бұрын
Those stories were not something someone at GF came up with themselves, these stories are all pretty much old fables and tales (much like the children's stories we grew up with about eating children i.e. Hansel and Gretel). So instead of thinking about it like how could an employee or anyone at GF be ok with this, you could look at it as a fable they tried to make fit within Pokémon, and that was a super literal first draft of what the finalized story came out to be.
@marlonhoek-po7gw
@marlonhoek-po7gw 12 күн бұрын
@@stephanie_supreme true that. plus, most modern memes seem to die rather quickly. i mean, remember the "lamar roasts franklin" meme? how about that one Dr. Han meme that i found kind of ableist? (i know it was made to make fun of bad autis, portrayal, but i can't help but feel like some people took that meme in the wrong and used it to make fun of autistic people) then again, i feel like most people rather want to forgot the Uganda knuckles meme (Fun Fact: the whole Typhlosion leak meme has led to me trying to search about similar trends, mostly to learn how fans of Ankha feel lol)
@ToxicWyvern1
@ToxicWyvern1 12 күн бұрын
@@luchutheblusquirrel223 Vaporeon was ruined by a badly written pasta made by some 4chan rando. Typhlosion was slandered by an game freak employee. It doesn't matter that it was scrapped, it doesn't matter that it was rushed outline of a myth, it doesn't matter that the Typhlosion in that story acted nothing like a Typhlosion, it doesn't even matter that Slaking and Piloswine have the same effing story. Typhlosion's legacy will forever be P*dophile and nothing else over shit it didn't even do, because Pokemon fans are the worst fandom in history, they'll literally read everything except canon.
@Psyche_Of_Tay
@Psyche_Of_Tay 12 күн бұрын
I've only gone two minutes into the video and I just wanted to say that I won't be watching it. I have tried really hard to not get leaks or anything regarding all this. I know snippets because it's unavoidable but nothing major and I'd like to keep it that way. But I was excited seeing your video, cause it's been a while and I was too late for your live recently. So, how have you been? How's your health? I hope you're happy and healthy now. Now I'm gonna go off the video but if I'm wrong about it and I should watch the video you think then do let me know and I'll come back to it. Have an awesome day!
@grease887
@grease887 12 күн бұрын
to be clear, the leaks dont say anything about modern projects (for the public). its all gen 1-6 stuff. so if youre worried about getting spoiled for z-a or gen 10 or whatever, theres nothing to be worried about
@ilexdiapason
@ilexdiapason 12 күн бұрын
bisa says in this video that the leaker has pledged not to spoil any future projects, so you're all good
@Psyche_Of_Tay
@Psyche_Of_Tay 11 күн бұрын
@@ilexdiapason Oh thank goodness! That's actually so great. I know we wanted information but like..... I'd rather wait and be excited. But thanks for letting me know!
@Psyche_Of_Tay
@Psyche_Of_Tay 11 күн бұрын
@@grease887 Oh, I'm not just worried about that. I accidentally had a friend tell me about the whole Slakoth thing and that kinda scared me. So I'm actively trying to not know anything. That is the only information that I'm fully aware of. I know there is more, such as Typhlosion and Octilary and stuff but I know nothing about them and rather not know anything. But hey thanks for informing me still. I might end up watching the video anyways.
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 11 күн бұрын
@@Psyche_Of_Tay No need to be scared of anything. I specifically go over how much of this has been misinterpreted and -characterized.
@flopi1179
@flopi1179 12 күн бұрын
imo it is a big shock to the system to see pokemon, wich is an insanely child friendly brand, imply humans mating with pokemon, or mating at all. its like the guns in the anime but turned up to 11 i fully get why people would make memes about this but i agree that it went a bit too far in a few cases
@Shinntoku
@Shinntoku 12 күн бұрын
Tbh it's not that shocking if you're someone really into the text of the games. Old man being weird about his Rapidash, the woman with a houndoom boyfriend, the Japanese sinnoh myths saying people and pokemon used to marry, PLA telling the story of a man marrying a Froslass. Too many people in North America are just conditioned to see even the faintest hint of sex as a taboo that can never be discussed, even though it's extremely common in mythologies all over the world
@sinisternorimaki
@sinisternorimaki 12 күн бұрын
You ever read greek mythology? Or japanese folklore?
@jvbon646
@jvbon646 11 күн бұрын
This bit isn't even new, it's been part of the canon lore since all the way back when Diamomd and Pearl came out
@flopi1179
@flopi1179 11 күн бұрын
@@sinisternorimaki im not saying that its on the same level as those, im saying its more extreme than what pokemon usually releases
@flopi1179
@flopi1179 11 күн бұрын
@@Shinntoku yeah i agree but most people either dont know about those, the leaks being so popular showed them to a lot of new faces who werent involved with pokemon lore before
@TBG1
@TBG1 6 күн бұрын
Based on your channel name alone I'm gonna assume you're from a german speakinf country. Followed
@casualsleepingdragon8501
@casualsleepingdragon8501 12 күн бұрын
What giratina? The creation myþ skipped them
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
Giratina was not part of the Creation Trio initially! It does appear in some versions of the myths, though not by any name, and not as a creation of Arceus. Also incredibly baded thorn user.
@Tshow_855
@Tshow_855 9 күн бұрын
It would be cook if the myths purposefully tried to ignore Giratina's existance Almost as if acknowlegement is a sin... Would have been peak ngl
@hexblade.gaming
@hexblade.gaming 3 күн бұрын
Interesting to find out Palkia was meant to be male and Dialga was meant to be female.
@Zarugoza5969
@Zarugoza5969 12 күн бұрын
Shinqi de jidan
@wdwdwdw21
@wdwdwdw21 11 күн бұрын
Y ur bulb so big
@MagentaLizard
@MagentaLizard 12 күн бұрын
Typhlosion was TOO MUCH of a man of culture 😭😭😭😭
@garatenadialga6886
@garatenadialga6886 5 күн бұрын
I prefer the original on day 7 GOD (not arceus) made pokemon as doodles because they where created on a holoday they where commanded not to rule over or be ruled by the humans
@DeltaZinnia
@DeltaZinnia 12 күн бұрын
Are you german or why is your channel called Bisa? xD
@BisaPKMN
@BisaPKMN 12 күн бұрын
@@DeltaZinnia yeag
@unripetheberrby6283
@unripetheberrby6283 11 күн бұрын
I always knew Dialga was a she. 😊 😂😂
@dragoon1090
@dragoon1090 6 күн бұрын
Who sees all these cool leaks and wants to whine about people's personal information? Stop trying to play the white knight.
@TokuNorth
@TokuNorth 12 күн бұрын
Yeah very cool, but i hope the HACKER (not a leaker, a hacker, call them what they are) ends up being jailed and faces consequences for this disgusting behavior
@ToxicWyvern1
@ToxicWyvern1 12 күн бұрын
Why should Pokefans care about real criminals when they can just lynch Typhlosion and its fans over a scrapped Piloswine myth?
@TokuNorth
@TokuNorth 12 күн бұрын
@@ToxicWyvern1 Fair point! I don't know what i was thinking..
@brilleon
@brilleon 8 күн бұрын
@@ToxicWyvern1 that's a sad fact
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