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[@zeptfatal8286]

Overwatch 2 is a prime example of “trying to please everyone ensures you please no one”.

[@SuperLifestream]

They tried running an esports team. Which they had to balance for. But 90% of players are diamond and below who got screwed.

[@doddy7119]

@@SuperLifestream Whereas I agree, you unfortunately have to balance a game based on the best players, otherwise where's the cut off? I imagine you're diamond, but what happens when Gold starts complaining, then bronze, and then we're just playing a children's game where everything is OP and the TTK is similar to CoD.

[@michaeltesemma6788]

​@@doddy7119 no. Balancing around the best player is also not the answer. PUBG died because they tried to balance around their best players.

[@RemedieX]

​​​​​​​@@michaeltesemma6788 PUBG died for a myriad of reasons, do not try to pin it down on just that because it's a provably bad and easy to to deconstruct argument. They're also VERY different in the way they play, and therefore how they should be balanced. OW HAS to balance *at least* around Diamond+ because of the nature of the game being a fast paced TEAM BASED SHOOTER with 40 unique hero designs (unlike PUBG). It's Blizz incessant need to balance around all ranks that we've had several horrible metas in OW2 and why creep became such a problem that S9 was Blizz caving into admitting it. One of the biggest issues prior to 9 was Blizz listening to low ranked supports WAY too much and creeping the hell outta them. Balancing around Bronze players is the most counterintuitive thing you can do for the game. You can't buff a players gamesense and mechanics through hero changes, but they keep trying to by making heroes stronger than they should be and easier to artificially increase their WR, and this is how we get Orisa as meta. Is this... Justifiable to you? Because it isn't to me. It's part of the reason Kiriko and SJ have been meta since inception in high ranks, it's because low ranks SUCK with them. To tell me that Blizz should allow 10 seasons of the same heroes be meta bc low ranks can't use them is a bad take. Even SJ alone had to be forced to be nerfed because Blizz themselves were saying she was balanced since low rank players couldn't make use of her and had a low wr. There's a solution to being a low ranked player who can't make use of higher floor and ceiling heroes, it's getting good, not overbuffing their heroes. Meanwhile, there is no solution to a hero being too good because of low ranked influence on their buffs and being forced to play it in high ranks because they're just outright unbalanced (this is why SJ still meta!). This is why the game needs to balance around higher ranks. There's literally no way to please both ends, and what they're doing right now has been a giga failure, so at least pick the side that has more fair balance potential than the side that can't tell right from left.

[@johnsonspark171]

@@SuperLifestream how come LoL can make it work so well? Give me a break. The game should be balance around the top players

[@akai_shuichi_x]

The dev's answer to the last question was just depressing

[@samwaldon3978]

He essentially said f you to tanks

[@JAxz5]

They dont play tanks

[@doddy7119]

I agree tank needs an overhaul and has for a long long time. That said, I'll never understand people complaining about counterswapping. Like they said, that is the CORE mechanic of the game, that's what the game was built around, that is what you're supposed to do. Obviously is needs balancing, but people want it gone all together which just doesn't make sense to me. That's the game you chose to play? You wouldn't go play Mario and then get upset because it's a platformer and not a racing game. This is not all aimed specifically at you either, I'm just riffin.

[@brodyross4941]

@@doddy7119the rage isn’t in the fact that counters exist, it’s in the fact that in ow2, the hero you are playing often matters more than your skill. Counters should have tools to stop you from doing what you’re doing? But they should require you to know what the enemy is trying to do and what needs to be done to handle that in order to work. The hero itself shouldn’t be a counter. It should have skillful tools to counter the enemy. Not just 2 miniguns or a shotgun that’s good at shooting monkey

[@pippo17173]

@@doddy7119 Its a problem when its required to win for about 90% of the time.

[@ryanang7467]

bring back 2v2

[@skuffbunny2088]

arcade

[@thatsovietspy1974]

@@skuffbunny2088no permanently and bring back yc2 even

[@Kinze02]

0v0 was better.

[@ducasse8473]

Where is competitive no hero limits

[@sleppy_Hello]

Based

[@sanjiku8147]

0:44 "Ight lets try to get uh- lets try to get caught up on everything- current in hip- in nor- in- current- before 🤔"

[@Rocky-gh3jf]

Overwatch does that to u 🥲

[@baer5137]

@@Rocky-gh3jf What Tank does to you

[@stinkypitz0005]

So real tho

[@PurpleMoon799]

​@@baer5137 rein

[@user-cy6xl3vd3f]

The English ain't englishing

[@TheRealGeorgeCostanza]

"permanent invisibility restricting how deadly we can make her." SO REMOVE IT

[@Watermelon_Man]

Right. Even if they still give her the movement buff without the invisibility, she works MUCH more reasonably.

[@BeastMode-bw2ry]

Or just make her footsteps actually make noise so you can know she's near you.

[@10Neon]

I am actually okay with her not increasing in deadliness

[@THYnameISsarcasm]

Yet virus still does more than half of Widows health in damage all on its own. The hardest counter in the game by far

[@sapphicseas0451]

It's almost like sombra's limited time stealth and speed mode was an ability in ow1 that was more balanced

[@beingbag2606]

Chillin until Overwatch Classic comes out.

[@TooRiskyHD]

You’ll be chilling for life bro

[@kingclampz6081]

@@TooRiskyHD😂😂

[@QoiBoi]

I believe you mean overwatch recalled edition.

[@TooRiskyHD]

@@kingclampz6081 never played ow1 myself but I’d love to experience it over this bag of trash atm ow2s awful man 🤣

[@kingclampz6081]

@@TooRiskyHD bro ow1 was so much better it’s crazy man 🤦‍♂️ all of us older players took that game for granted. At least that game had a soul while ow2 is just empty, no inspiration cash grab

[@Littleman_bigshorts]

“Dear overwatch, why does your game suck so much?”

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

"Because we got Shitty Developers"

[@MetroAndroid]

37:43 The year is 20XX. Both teams spend the entire game in spawn counter-swapping each other.

[@Squiddlewheel]

I wonder if they will answer one of the many questions talking about 6v6 and explain their views. Surely that will happen right chat?

[@KingBLUCK]

Surely

[@yaxxydesu5776]

Surely

[@Pes._]

Cant take the loot box's n "box product" away without it. Need a way to make more money money! N thats it

[@S3nCh4n]

they ignored all the 6v6 questions even though they had a lot of upvotes. if they ignore it for long enough it will go away right?

[@BananaWasTaken]

I think it’s a matter of ego. They know that if they go back to 6v6 they’re just going back to Overwatch 1. They’ve already cancelled PVE, and got clowned on. They know that if they go back to 6v6 everybody’s gonna make fun of them for it. And they’d rather leave the game in the state it’s in than deal with that. (Or maybe they’re just too lazy to rebalance the tanks)

[@softarmor111]

Crazy how everybody’s talking about 6v6 and they purposefully didn’t address it. (don’t tell me nobody asked)

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

they already talked about it during the beta, it just start to disappear because people are tired of saying the same exact thing over and over

[@c_bons]

Dude. These devs… this just shows they have NO vision for the game. They’re just trying to make a game that everyone likes, which results in a game no one likes because they don’t have a vision of what the game should be. Their “vision” is to try and fix every little complaint someone has, instead of following a clear path they made before they made the game. There’s no character to it. It’s just a cluster f**k of hero’s which little to no character when it comes to their role in the game. The devs are awful.

[@pippo17173]

We are talking about new devs who have no idea where to take this game since the old devs left them with unfinished coding.

[@Pes._]

Literslly no character with our characters considering every. Single. Pre fight dialouge has been wiped from the game

[@verguco6051]

i would love if they try to fix every complain, but they are doing nothing, they make changes nobody asked for

[@S3nCh4n]

fr they put resources into stuff like hero gauntlet and story missions and then abandon it like WHO is greenlighting these??

[@pippo17173]

@@S3nCh4n Free to play games have the excuse of trying things out to see what sticks or not but when your game keeps introducing things and dropping them as soon as they came out, that is when you know they have no idea what to do to keep players interested.

[@memegod2872]

38:06 *when overwatch was designed, you were supposed to be able to go 6 wintons or bastions in competitive and just roll with it

[@flamingcroww]

sometimes I miss those days where every koth map was 2 winstons, 2 tracers and 2 lucios brawling it out in overtime forever

[@fractalelf7760]

Which was dumb as hell…

[@wanderer316]

@@fractalelf7760 u think

[@fractalelf7760]

@@wanderer316 It was awful, no one really liked it.

[@wanderer316]

@@fractalelf7760 you wrong, i liked it,

[@thatsovietspy1974]

2 tanks seems like an awful good way to deal with Sombra… a dps or tank can help out without losing so much focus in the front lines.

[@bambampewpew32]

lmao yeah 2 tanks seems like an awfully good way to deal with 90% of the BS in this game

[@tyeboulive]

God 43:15 just irritates the hell out of me, the devs need to stop beating around the bush and answer us straight it’s one of the main reasons why we’re so fed up with them is because they keep pulling shit like this and give a non answer to a legitimate concern if not the BIGGEST concern that most of the player base has right now for the game

[@pippo17173]

That is always how they work. You expect them to change that since the good old days of overwatch 1? Lol

[@tyeboulive]

@@pippo17173 no need for backhanded sarcasm when what I’m saying is absolutely true

[@pippo17173]

@@tyeboulive Sorry but its honestly just annoying when most don't see this issue is a problem since old OW1 days and it still going with no end in sight.

[@sirstupid5857]

@@pippo17173Respect the apology. We all understand the frustration

[@supershadow7672]

I swear they're as bad as politicians trying to skirt around everything lmfao

[@Punchbadguy]

5v5 has its benefits, but it just is t worth making tank be super miserable and 1 dimensional.

[@doginpillows20]

Also, a multitude of tanks are still designed for 6v6 *cough* rein *cough*

[@Punchbadguy]

@@doginpillows20 *cough* zarya *cough* dva *cough* man what's up with theses coughs today

[@angelldoll]

agreed. putting the responsibility of two people on one person will always be miserable, no matter how good they balance it. que times will be longer if they switched back to 6v6 now, but lets be honest, the que times will keep getting slower and slower as less and less people que for tank

[@Pes._]

The entire game is linear compared to Overwatch. Which this game isnt. This game is paladins blizz edition. It only has gotten worse n worse due to support creep constsntly.

[@verguco6051]

5vs5 bring 0 benefits, for every fixed from 6vs6 it bring 5 more

[@zombieslayer7776]

I think a perfect change to sombra would be to give her the tf2 spy ability. Allow her to go invis on a resource meter. She can still he shot out of if but she'll actually have to be smart with invism

[@MastermindRidendo]

Funny, that's old Sombra. When she was brand new to the game her invis WAS on a resource meter.

[@pegaducktopus5878]

​@@MastermindRidendothe big difference being it was initially all or nothing. i think having it on a resource toggle like def matrix/hog breather would probably be a healthy change

[@sapphicseas0451]

So old sombra invis

[@questionable_live]

@@MastermindRidendo translocator also had a timer and didn't live forever

[@tomn4483]

Imo hack is just the most stupid ability ever. Literally all the ball rework needed to actually fix the character was nerfs to hog hook, orisa and sombra hack. Nobody needs ball to be broken or meta, he just needs to not get turned off by half the tank roster or by sombra. Its kinda ironic how the least healthy heroes in ow2 are the ones that counter tanks like ball, winston, rein. LITERALLY all they had to do was realise that, tune down the annoying aspects of their kits, rework mauga orisa sombra hog (even tho they 'reworked' sombra and hog already) to make them less obnoxious and obviously unhealthy for the game, then ow2 would be so much better. Instead they (dare I say, lazily) insist on stat changes and minor changes to heroes that don't address their obvious problems. I could have done a better job on those reworks and I'm a diamond player. They need to think more long-term and in-depth when they think about the game.

[@lonelyleague3369]

damn the callout to answering about the 6v6 question. thank you flats. im glad that you want them try and at least talk about and hopefuly they do. i like 5v5 as a tank being a raid boss as doom but i know the enemy hates it. doom being probably the most polarizing character since his release in ow1. but i hope they really do look at it. only time will tell tho. i want 6v6 only because me being able to play with more friends is a big plus and being able to play tank with a friend is really fun to do. thats why we play open que cuz i really like the tank synergies. hopefully one day they do talk about it

[@agentvenom3342]

I know this is a different game, but dead by daylight shows the stats all the time it shows pick rates of killers, perks, add-ons they even showed the kill rates of every killer and survival rates Hell, even a game with a perk, add-on or offering, says that it increases something or decreases something but a certain percentage it tells you the actual number I don’t know I think when it comes to did by daylight I am blessed in that regard

[@Feintyyy]

6v6 was core and peak, so why change it, I'm still mad

[@nightmaresaga3650]

They cant balance 5v5 what makes you think they can 6v6. AND with a smaller team than overwatch one. They have already made over 50 balance changes to commit to 5v5 and wanting the opposite thing back would kill this game so fast considering how they have been balancing the game. The game is in its most playable state even since overwatch one.

[@timmoore6532]

Do you still play? People love to call out how bad blizzard is, and they're right!! But people still support them by playing the game, buying skins. 😂

[@Burkius]

Dat shit was ass

[@batatanna]

​@@nightmaresaga3650 they can in fact balance 5v5. we've had balanced 5v5, but it still felt like shit.

[@Crusty_Sword]

@@nightmaresaga3650 6v6 from a base was good they had a great start to go from yet they have made the game worse somehow

[@drearoshalexoxo7326]

“If they bought back 6v6 q times would get too long” - average ow player What do u think will happen to q times in a few more seasons. Most tank mains don’t q for tank anymore and the ones that are sticking it through rn will burn out eventually. Q times are gonna get long for everyone at every rank soon when no one has the motives to q tank. Trying to make the game enjoyable should be top priority rn. I get that ppl want the game to stay closer to a competitive fps but what kept the player base of ow1 coming back (despite the issues with the game) was bc it was fun for every role. If no one qs for tank the game will die off anyway so trying 6v6 is atleast worth a shot.

[@sapphicseas0451]

Literally, its such short sighted thinking. Greater game health will make queue times better even if theres a short term increase due to 6v6

[@KBReal870]

I hate to be that guy, but do you actually know that queues will get longer over time or is it just a vibe you have? I personally haven't noticed the queues getting any longer, although I am just a gold player.

[@drearoshalexoxo7326]

@@KBReal870 if no one wants to play tank q times will inevitably get longer. I have noticed 5 min q times becoming more normal

[@Pes._]

​​​@@KBReal870considering diamond n mid masters is up to 3-5 minutes on dps (qp) n around the same for low plat support well being up to 7-10 in comp. With mystery heros taking on avg 4-7 minutes yea (it was NEVER above 1-2minutes in real ow) this game aint sustaining players worth shit. N it simply wont for most high ranks cause its a worse game. Or n hear me out EOMM is just as bad as cod now.

[@Dwarvenminer1]

Maybe a way to keep Lifeweavers identity while removing the issue of a bad lifeweaver actively being a detriment would be to have pull act closer to a zen orb: place it in a hero, lasting for a few seconds and going on a sizable cool down, during which time the teammate can use the interact key to make themselves be pulled back to him (like a one way sym tele) Hinder effects should disable the effect and it should have a tether range outlined where it would either automatically activate or fizzle

[@beywheelzhater8930]

Lw’s pull just feels terrible in general Having someone dead to rights only for Houdini to pull them away to fully heal em in 3 seconds from on a flower petal peeking from around the corner feels horrible Having your ult cucked because the other LW just dragged you away from everyone like a death blossom boomerang feels horrible Actually making it so not only the player has to choose to be dragged BUT letting the drag get canned by certain moves would at least help alleviate this

[@nickxnormality492]

i like this but lets tweak it. make it so when its placed on a target if they fall below a certain health threshold theyre automatically pulled back to the location where LW was when he cast it while this will definitely destroy his cool ultimate combos like sky noon cas or beyblade reaper and also destroy his ability yo retroactively save teammates taking insane burst damage it'll add more of a skill ceiling to the ability itself if thats a fair trade off

[@Pes._]

​@@beywheelzhater8930 playing against n vs supports esp imorts. Something that NEVER existed till bap is terrible. AOE healing is terrible. All against this games health and always has made the broken bs comps you hear people cry about.

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

​@@beywheelzhater8930 i would change the pull into Zarya's bubble since they act the same except Lifeweaver pulls you instead of giving you a temporary barrier

[@jaylennash5058]

Why would you state Hanzo doesn’t have the lowest primary fire rates in the game but not state who in the DPS category fires slower than him

[@Hsjackow]

He just don't like hanzo that much, also majority of his audiences don't like hanzos as well, he's gotta cater towards them.

[@jaylennash5058]

@@Hsjackow isn’t that the truth he states that Hanzo doesn’t have the lowest time to kill yet he doesn’t even give us information on who does have the lowest time to kill them by default. Hanzo has the smallest projectile in the game before the projectile hit and now he has like the second smallest I don’t understand.

[@Hsjackow]

@@jaylennash5058 Yes, everything you say is correct, but you can clearly see that flats does not care at all about hanzo as he didn't even bother to read the full question from arrge. Even if he did speak out about hanzo, I imagine he would be bombarded by his audience who most of them hate hanzo.

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

​@@Hsjackow not just Hanzo, but most heroes he doesn't play.

[@Hsjackow]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad Yeah well, whatever happened to making every hero viable in this game. I guess it’s ok now to dumpster heroes that the majority of the player base don’t enjoy playing against.

[@levis1267]

im just jammin to the terraria music in the backround

[@exglepersonal]

Lets be honest , if Junkerqueen was released today , her ult would be uninterruptible . ( cough cough mauga charge cough )

[@huddy2463]

i strongly disagree that sojourn is weak in metal ranks, i’m silver and can excel by just dumping the tank until full charge than head tapping a squishy

[@thetruedjlivewire]

anyone that has played league will tell you data driven changes are basically dart board discussions. room temp iq balance. see no evil hear no evil....

[@Mika-xw1xp]

That Last Question was from me! I tried to be very careful while writing this without talking about a potential 6v6 mode (which the devs wouldve ignored) Thats why i asked about the Tank designs and how they feel about them. Its a bit sad that half of my question wasnt answered :/

[@therebelfrogy9287]

This is basically a crowd control move from Blizzard, just like the time OW2 got Steam review bombed They don't give a damn about the game or the og community members, they want to build a new game using the old assets from OW

[@EnglishChud]

Just bring back 6v6 tank is so dead in 5v5

[@N0Mercy4U34_]

This will literally never happen. Because it will be the seal of their coffin. Because if they did that then they would be admitting the transition from ow to ow2 was completely unnecessary and pointless

[@EnglishChud]

@@N0Mercy4U34_ I know it's sad honestly but these devs have got to go they are terrible lol

[@Just_kapi]

Balancing will be pain in the ass but its worth to try 6v6 as qp hacked event

[@EnglishChud]

@@Just_kapi yea they should try something atleast and I dont think itd be that hard to balance honestly

[@TheRealGeorgeCostanza]

@@EnglishChud I don't think they are bad as ow1 devs tbh but if we had devs as good as other game's that would be sick

[@hazellye8720]

Honestly, i think the only reaper changes he needs is a quality of life buff to his teleport, making it quicker and easier to use, and then giving him like, a more utility based ability, my idea for this would be smoke grenades! Like, he has 3 charges for these small smoke grenades on M2, they create a small obscured area that maybe he can see through slightly better. Gives him a bit more to work with for assassinations, can give him more cover to escape, and can also be used for a bit more teamplay given how independent a lot of his kit is. Also, he had smoke grenades in the first cinematic, it would be pretty cool thematically!

[@josephespinoza9636]

Well I mean I would kinda consider widow a squishy buster…

[@ConspiracyCinema]

That Hanzo was Arrge you put some respect on his name

[@RealBigDinosaur]

Nah. Hanzo mains have had their time.

[@coal159]

@@RealBigDinosaur Hanzo has never been hard or even significantly meta Lol

[@yoku_UwU]

I love flats but I was pretty disappointed by him not acknowledging an OG one trick and streamer, and glossing over the question by who is probably the biggest nerd on every detail of Hanzo.

[@ConspiracyCinema]

@@yoku_UwU perfectly said

[@le_m4cho965]

@@RealBigDinosaur he was never META btw LMAO

[@fakecowboy1672]

No dps/support busters? What about that invisible annoying one

[@maeveliv2517]

Sombra is also a tank buster tho, her hp based dmg plus being able to easily remove your abilities at pinnacle moments like when you gotta retreat or push a choke makes her a really good pick, especially now that tracer and her primary are both worse into them, it makes sombra actually better cause of her dot which makes her the better option to harass tanks that move around alot now like d.va or monke, so you dont even need to ask for support counters to be removed, the little demon just counters and makes everyone's life miserable 😂

[@NewFrankreich]

a sombra could hack a shield tank like sigma and he either dies or gets to half health just because he has no abilities and the whole team shoots at him

[@Nemo.404]

​@@NewFrankreich first, if that happens to the Sigma they they are in a bad position. Second, Sombra should not be focusing on the tank at all. They're gonna get busted by the entire enemy team. Sobra is not a frontline character at all. The only times when they should be focusing the tank is when there is a ball or doom in their backline

[@Nemo.404]

​@@maeveliv2517 She isn't a tank buster, nor a support, nor a DPS buster at all. Thinking like that just tells me your pretty low elo

[@NewFrankreich]

@@Nemo.404 i disagree but as i strive to become a better person i will not try to argue with you peace be with you

[@Fixer48]

As much as i would love 6v6 back we all know blizzard is too greedy and has too much pride and if they were to bring it back it would mean 5v5 was a failure and lets be real it is

[@Niros11]

If enough people say they would rather have 6v6 and blizzard will understand that it might be more profitable they could consider it eventually

[@sgtfrost1878]

In Season 11 we're gonna have Cassidy dework nice.

[@verguco6051]

basically nothing was answered, they ignored legit questions

[@kiernannies7602]

9:13 My biggest question for the Cassidy rework is if we get a flashbang like effect/hinder will kiri’s cleanse affect it?

[@CalamariZander]

kiri cleanse everything

[@namixless9732]

ima be real dawg i just want mercy to be a viable option again. i just wanna have fun when i play my favorite game

[@MarvelousButter]

mercy is viable

[@johnsaunders7257]

Sombras invisibility is so easy to fix put on a timer or increase the visibility range like it's not hard lol

[@swagfiltr894]

Visibility range nah, but ye timer and buff her TP or sum

[@alexanderwagner2580]

@@swagfiltr894 not a chance people want the timer back, it sucks

[@sparquisdesade]

Or make it work like they do in the finals. There's no "true" stealth. It's like predator stealth. But if you're standing still you're way harder to see.

[@KingBLUCK]

​@@alexanderwagner2580we want it back because perma invis is disgusting and you KNOW it

[@theaznkid360]

For Sombra, since it's permanent I wish that it was more partial, like some distortion around the character model like every single other game that does invisibility.

[@spacepope7867]

Alec Dawson being in a leadership position where he is making the main balance decisions has been the worst thing for OW2. Genuinely and honestly. Look at how he talks about stuff in this and older QnA's / interviews. He balances from a excel sheet. He balances OW like he balanced Hearthstone - BUT OW IS NOT A CARD GAME. WE NEED TO ACTUALLY PLAY THE CHARACTERS. Hearing Flats talk about Alecs OBSESSION with balancing on "data" is the exact point. I dont give a fuck if a hero has a lower pick rate. Some heros have lower pick rates. Some are situational or less popular. I DO give a fuck if they buff a hero "cause the data said they arent picked/ doing badly" and they make a niche or annoying hero meta just for the sake of balancing the "data" Alec doesnt balance the GAME or the EXPERIANCE. He is tunnel visioned on balancing the NUMBERS on his excel sheet. The game is doomed as long as he is at the helm of hero design and balance. I truly and honestly believe that And thats not even touching the disconnect between people on the same teams. Last QnA we had Alec saying hog countered Mauga - and in the SAME QNA - JNoh says that Mauga counters hog.... THEY ARE THE BALANCE LEADS. HOW THE FUCK ARE THEY THAT DISCONNECTED FROM WHATS GOING ON? These arent just team members, these are team leaders in Jnoh's case and people in even higher leadership positions like Alec. How is the communication between two leaders literally opposite in the same QnA? Has communication failed? Or has trust between team members/leaders? Cause something must be off for things to come out that mixed up.

[@Pes._]

I dunno man, i think everyone knows rock beats paper n paper beats rock.

[@theredguy92]

Wall hacks, aim bot and perma invis are all really hard to balance. I would add immortality to that list.

[@Pes._]

Imortals being broken hahha 😂😂😂😂 support hater skill isue 😂😂💀💀just mad supports good for once. Cry dps crybaby

[@plaqued9526]

Why is the qna on r/competitiveoverwatch if the game isnt meant to be competitive anymore?

[@ldw_sparky]

That's not the actual qna, it's just the compilation of answered questions as far as I'm aware! Not sure where the qna itself took place tho.

[@dantheman1998]

"5V5 has beter que times" uh im averaging like 5 to 8 mins for a match in plat for tank. Just to get a dogshit match....so the math aint mathing

[@T3ckOne]

I use to be a tank main and enjoyed playing tank. I played around plat and diamond main and off tank in OW. After OW2 came out I could not stand tank and have never played tank ever again I dps and support now. Everybody flames you on the team if loosing. You have to swap so much due to countering and team asking to swap just got annoying. I really enjoyed the 6v6 for tank.

[@kylecole4142]

The past week I’ve been deranked multiple times on all roles, mostly due to teammates leaving. I feel like I get more harshly punished for playing and when I do win, the bar barely moves(+17), but 1 or 2 losses in a row, -34, and some of the reasons they give is just atrocious. How am I “expected”to win a game 3v5?

[@Pes._]

You arent playing to par with your team and getting carried is what they'll tell you n want you think the truth? Its to encourage addiction.

[@mjgg8680]

I just want to enjoy the game again but as of recently I feel like it's been nothing but a chore to play this game. I love the characters, I love the core gameplay, but playing tank just absolutely blows. Feels like every change they make doesn't do anything. I miss OW1 even tho I didn't play it till late 2021

[@goldenhume]

i also started OW in Apr 2021 and like you, i also miss it. I think it says something when newer players like us miss old OW

[@zeik27]

I love how they have been taking away the 1 shots/quick combos of characters but still leave widow, and roadhog who can still one shot and combo kill easily

[@jaytch6639]

Something people have been wanting for years is the ability to multi-queue for arcade modes. There just aren't enough active players to fill a game when we get split between like 7 game modes. As much as i want to be able to play deathmatch again, I can't sit in queue for over half an hour HOPING for a game when standard quickplay finds a match within a minute. I had this issue with the different modes and difficulties of the archives events. It was 3 different campaigns split between 3 or 4 difficulties each, all with their own queues. People will only queue if they can get the chance to play SOMETHING. Otherwise, no matter how much they enjoy it, they're just gonna end up in qp again. Thats just no fun.

[@BigSunn0]

THESE are the people who should have been FIRED. I don't want them TOUCHING this game anymore!!!

[@bigwoke5956]

it'd be cool to see cassidy's right click be holdable, holding it lets out rounds, and letting it go stops you, and you can continue firing the rest of the cylinder like normal, you should have the option to "toggle" right click and have it be how it is now

[@tacoface7047]

REALLY nothing on 6v6???

[@SpectraSkittle]

Give each player 2 swap tokens; put a running tally of their current uses of swap, visible to BOTH TEAMS. You would, effectively, get 3 hero choices per match. After that, you just have to learn to outplay them with who you're on. But for real, there is no way to balance OW2 for a competitive environment with it's current mechanics.

[@pippo17173]

Not a good idea if characters can counter pick hard.

[@buckhaley3032]

Terrible idea

[@literallyonlyusedforasmr9261]

I love that the three things flats called unbalancable are all in overwatch

[@draunt7]

They should give Rein the stimpack the Terran Marines carry.

[@slothman3727]

I think an interesting alternative for LW pull would be a thorns “shield”. Make it give some shielding or damage reduction for a duration and when the target takes damage it reflects some of it. Either they take a portion of the damage dealt (which counters burst) or it reflects a set amount (counters sustained damage). This would be a more interesting and interactive ability for both sides I think, and it matches his theme better than grasp.

[@wolfsign9168]

Yeah im a mercy 1trick with a 58% winrate in master 3 atm. Its frustrating because yes obviously the one tricks can still win when their hero is shit. That doesnt mean she should stay shit. I dont think the stats are very reflective when there are so many hardcore mercy one tricks. No one but one tricks are picking her atm.

[@BigDog-ck6zu]

Gm1: pro players... champion 5: cyx

[@captain4930]

wanna know where did Hanzo felt ok? in OW1 on 6v6 normal HP pools

[@funwalkthroughs1285]

His grav dragon meta like 6 years ago LOL

[@metachomp1721]

10:43 There are definitely support busters. They’re called flankers

[@smashacat7850]

I just wish there was a lot more weapon camos

[@RobindenBoer254]

Give sombra louder footsteps to balance the invis. If they're far away, they're not a threat. They can get close if they're tactical or if they setup early

[@wowRichtoad]

In the vein of roles besides tanks feeling pressure to counterswap, I can't remember the last time somebody unprovoked told somebody besides a tank to counterswap. Nobody says "they have a Pharah, swap off Junkrat" ever. I see people criticizing tanks on their picks and telling them to counterswap every day though.

[@cmdrapudma8132]

With the changes these guys made to the game, I don't know why Microsoft doesn't come in and just clean house?

[@sebastian-benedictflore]

Really weird idea here. Og OW players will remember when D.VA's DM was an E which activated for a few second and went on cool down, rather than a "pool" ability like Pharah's flight. Since they changed _that_ to work the way it does, what if they did the same with Sombra's invis?

[@ajr4878]

If they dont make data public, that says a lot about what they are doing. Do many of these games running SBMM and EOMM hate giving out that data

[@yaxxydesu5776]

what are SBMM and EOMM ?

[@ajr4878]

@yaxxydesu5776 skill based matchmaking and engagement optimized matchmaking. SBMM is what will make every one of your games feel sweety and EOMM is designed to make to lose...so you'll keep playing 😂

[@Wyrdangus]

@@yaxxydesu5776Skill based matchmaking is about making matches even, with an “ideal” state being every single player being at around 50% winrate (if you have >50% or

[@SiY11]

People who use acronyms outside of shop talk environments, are either lazy or desperately want the world to think they are smart.

[@Pes._]

​​@@Wyrdangusno its to know the stats and chances of a win. EOMM is to gather how many wins or loses/games everything really that it makes you to quit. Then when you get to that point it gives you a baby match as i call it aka a 70-30 if not higher chance of winning. Most games in this ripoff of Overatch does not have a 50/50 chance for each team n i would bet all my assests n life savings.

[@pYRO13579]

wdym they just have to balance every tank, balance counter swapping, balance supps and tank busters, balance burst dmg, balance new heroes and old heroes into the new format and then just reshuffle the board every other season! how could we get any worse?

[@PanTF]

Instead of throwing a grenade, Cassidy should just throw his hat, and the hat can chain off of multiple enemies if they're within chaining range. The hat will deal damage but it could also apply hinder, boop enemies away, or maybe the hat can land on the enemy and it will blind them because the hat will be tilted forwards just a little and in order to push the hat back up they have to complete a hat captcha (click only hats), then they wear the hat and they can choose whether to throw the hat back or keep it for a duration. Hat must be retrieved from ground and it has no cooldown because of this. If not retrieved within a certain amount of time, it will spawn near by on one of the new hat rack props added to every map and will have a special hat indicator.

[@rubeushagrid1329]

The chuckle about hating zen is pain

[@ThePatrioticScotsman]

They should go to proper spy invis from tf2, but maybe tweak it a bit. Make it so she can go invis at any time but her invis acts like a resource. Also make it so theres an obnoxiously loud noise and a ten minute cooldown before sttacking after coming out of invis and youve got modern day spy

[@Aw3someOpZ]

You were doing good till the end. The end of your sentence was a little bit salty. XD

[@lilwintery6434]

@@Aw3someOpZ only one invs per round allowed lmao

[@SaltNBattery]

Sombra needs to just be deleted or completely reworked. Her kit makes he impossible to balance, either ridiculously broken or like an annoying little gnat. She needs to just go.

[@assimilater-quicktips]

I’m at the point of getting fatigued arguing with people about countering. The community has somehow gaslit itself into believing it’s a core appeal of the game for which hero you pick to be more important than how well you play that hero. Fuck all y’all that do that

[@--Check--]

Holy mother of god im actually early, love you flats

[@DuckAHoy]

weaver grip is dogshi broken, like its a really good move if used properly (bc of numbers) but then it just doesnt work half the time, ive been hooked off the map, pulled and didnt get pulled all the way back and still fell off

[@heathaltom8601]

What content? Skins? Emotes? 1 new hero? Thats barely anything compared to any live service game. The only real updates go into the shop. Thats the best place to earn anything.

[@funwalkthroughs1285]

Couldn’t agree more

[@_fitzyy]

i feel the same way with rank distribution. before rank reset i would only see a few names repeatedly in masters. now in master i feel like im playing with against the same players like i would if i were in GM

[@Rudoulph]

no mention of kiriko nerfs 😂

[@kylepackard7499]

I think I heard that kiriko performs slightly underperforms compared to other supports. This is especially true in medal ranks. Kiri is only really broken with coordinated teams. Suzu is certainly frustrating, as is her mobility, but players that can't land the headshot consistently tend not to perform well.

[@coal159]

​@@kylepackard7499 Kiriko's in metal ranks love the swift step into immediate suzu on a 60% target.

[@Pes._]

​​@@kylepackard7499you gotta remember diamond supports are low plat supports are low gold. Silver supports are low bronze. Low bronze supports are .....

[@kylepackard7499]

@Pes._ they were back in season 3 but the ranked ladder has become much more close to OW1's ranked ladder since the season 9 changes

[@Pes._]

@@kylepackard7499 no. Supports besides zen, lucio, ana, mercy. Play quite literally a different game. They are playing with !demigod. Even most gm/champ supports are mid masters or low gm. Its been proving stats wise. Supports have the lowest ranks in other roles compared to support. Well tank and dps are mildy comparable or 1 division below there main.

[@only-ren]

Xdefiant got it down with how they did invisibility, just the right amount of good. Although it's kind of overshadowed by the Intel suit.

[@justifano7046]

There’s still a fair amount of smurfs and/or xims in plat to high silver.

[@kylecole4142]

I feel like counter swap should only happen at certain intervals like at the end of a round, or for modes like flashpoint, longer respawn times

[@mylesmitchell8092]

I think if Sombra had a resource like Dva or Hog for her invisibility it would be fine

[@exaltedexile6290]

"I just hate life" weaver -Flats

[@norbelarchilla5578]

How about for Cass new flashbang it keeps the old radius but doesn't work if you turn your back onto it?

[@phitc4242]

six v six !

[@claridge7549]

Sombra shouldn’t exist

[@Pes._]

If sombra n most imorts where removed with aoe healing on brig nerfed down to compare to lucio yea boom games "bascially" fixed. Theyve pleased everyone from low ranks to high.

[@galaxyrapid4234]

The best part of player ranks is I am the highest rank I’ve ever been and I feel like I’m getting imposter syndrome where I’m not good enough for my rank. I get that everyone else feels lower and what not but pre rank reset I was a solid gold 1 to plat 5 player and now I’m solidly in plat 3 and I’ve even gotten close to plat 2 a few times. I haven’t been playing wildly different or anything the only real big change is I stopped playing hanzo and moved back to hitscans and dive dps. I really feel like it has been easier to climb now then before but I can’t tell if its me getting better at the game or something to do with the game right now.

[@S3nCh4n]

still dont get why you can sleep a rein charge but not a mauga charge.. when rein is wearing a full suit of armor

[@Nebby_smells]

I see the point about hanzo but you can also adjust his projectile to have unique effects on shields, and armour this inherently brings back his one shot to heroes without armour/shields, but anyone with armour and shields would not be one shot, or it could be vice versa so hes more effective against heroes like echo and pharah, but heroes like cassidy or sojourn are a bit tougher But fine tuning this would be insane, but more doable as it pleases both sides PS: hitting an echo is insanely hard to do anyway especially mid flight so i think its justified

[@smellssmell2488]

Spitting 🔥37:56 actually warmed my heart a bit.

[@smellssmell2488]

What Flats was mentioning with the mercy question @ 34:14 after they said that Mercy has a high win rank in the higher ranks. It's extremely situational, and that is the problem with balancing through stats. Pretty much everything in Overwatch is situational, and you have to balance more around those situations and what you can do. Another thing that I don't think he mentioned, how many of those games did the person pick mercy at the end or just for the majority of the game? Because counterswapping is the Meta, I like playing Mercy whenever I have DPS I can't heal easily otherwise. But I will switch as soon as I feel I am not able to help get any value. This is why I think it's important that the people who played in Overwatch 1 and experienced it, specifically people like Flats, Emongg, Bogur, etc. Because they have experienced the changes from Overwatch 1. And they can at least help them understand how else they might need to be changing the game before they make these changes that just end up making the game feel bad and they end up having to take months to fix. While the majority of players didn't notice most balance changes, I think these kinds of players would be able to summarize them at least a little. But I also think the more people like this you can get the better, because you're not balancing for just one person.

[@smellssmell2488]

This is based, but who cares how the win rate is in the lower metal ranks. I think it should be okay for the metal ranks to have some heroes that just dominate compared to others, especially if the player base is just going to inflate from free to play. The metal ranks are just going to inflate with cheaters, and if we cling to the skill aspect of the game, those cheaters will continue to climb with ease. You can't outplay a really good cheater who knows where you are if they are playing a purely skill based character that is better than everyone else.

[@kylecole4142]

Didn’t they buff health already? Then nerfed it for certain characters like zen cause ppl couldn’t one shot him anymore? Now they gonna lower health pools again?

[@Hsjackow]

It was just a mistake to raise it in the first place, it pretty much made almost all the projectile dps unviable because most of them relied on burst damage.

[@ushwallman2070]

Flats was full of gamer gunk

[@funwalkthroughs1285]

I will never ever ever ever ever ever ever understand why they won’t make WR and PR public “We don’t want you to be influenced by this data that we constantly are influenced by and cite as reasons for balance changes. No you can’t see them”

[@Raphael-ys1uq]

Blast from the past ahh upload

[@slendy_man_can2965]

9 MINUTES AGO IS WIIILLD

[@technilogicalgamer284]

ngl i love the terraria sound track in the back it makes the video so much better for me imo

[@faucher8]

16:21 bird is the word

[@DxXNA]

How do i keep missing this lol i want to ask so many questions.

[@shortzo.1791]

i have fly, i have rocket launcher, i shoot and win pmuch every game in low rank

[@Sahilow]

Shes good in all ranks shes just map dependant

[@Alart28]

Invisibility should be an Ult ....(generally in comp video games)

[@bigwoke5956]

I wanted reaper to "tear" a shadow portal in front of him and where he's aiming, and just jump through it, like shadow step but less predictable and with faster execurion

[@Pes._]

But if it was faster or quiet it would be OP!!!!@! 2 shot jump in wraith out!! Over n over on supports!! So broken!! Sure sombra does it to n just straight up tp to safety but but reaper would be op!!! Sorry thats just shit i've heard since the proper OverWatch.

[@allofit5868]

Maybe in flashpoint you should get less credit for capping a point on your side of the map. That way the team that keeps the pressure on and keeps the fights on the enemy side will build a lead.