So... the Celtics gave Jaylen Brown $300M

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[@sarighasenfeld8228]

I don't think they could've played this year out without losing Jaylen's trust in the front office (that has already been compromised by the KD trade rumors), they practically didn't have a good alternative. Also, they can confidently say they have a legit chance to win with their current core. Which is a privilege very few teams have

[@OttoErotic69]

He's a good scorer with terrible handles and chokes in big moments. That contract is something nobody would ever trade for. $60 mil/yr for that guy is crazy talk

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

So his 26-year-old profile will represent his absolute peak. He can't get better at any facet of his game. That's what I take away from this.

[@OttoErotic69]

@@OH_MY_DOGGG You're telling me he's all of a sudden gonna get good handles? And make good decisions and clutch shots just out of the blue? Did you watch the Heat series? Hot garbage

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

@@OttoErotic69 I only told you what you told me. Screw your head on a little tighter before it does a 720 spin.

[@OttoErotic69]

@@OH_MY_DOGGG Too late

[@RomnysGonzalez]

Jokic about to land a 500M contract went he's up

[@tomassantos87]

Well Jokic will be between 31-33 at the end of his contract (depending on whether he takes his player option of $63 Million in 2027-28 or not) so he could but I think Shai is gonna be the first one to get $500 Million since he’s a FA in 2027 and will be 29

[@jiby911]

People making fun of the rockets signing vanvleet for so much, but look at this crap lol. Brown is not that guy, to get 300m

[@projectgraham414]

The Celtics can't get better with 2 supermax shooting guards. This was stupid

[@dangda-ww7de]

He is not a max guy but its too late.

[@hardwoodgems]

I really liked Jaylen's game when he arrived in the league. He was known for being a better defender than a scorer. Hopefully he continues to work at his craft. The player he has become merits that his handle be paid particular attention. It's that or Clippers East!

[@Simboy93]

His defensive minded game made sure that he didn't get the rookie max extension. So he started scoring more and got the super max.

[@patrickhanlon2325]

​@Simboy93 clippers is a horrible comparison. If they were healthy, they'd be actual contenders. The celtics are always healthy they just aren't good enough

[@gswdeclan]

The top 5-10 guys in the NBA are massively underpaid given how much value they create for their teams (Curry and Bron built arenas and made billions for their owners). It's the next tier guys like Brown who are way overpaid. He's never going to be the best player on a contender.

[@felixh97]

Great to have you back

[@CDodger24]

Retaining Jaylen isn't a bad move but paying him this amount is just ridiculous. Props to his agent though.

[@dru55the1egend]

Been waiting for this vid 😂

[@samthibault4229]

To me it comes down to whether they win a championship (or hopefully multiple) if not it will only get harder with CBA and cap.

[@letmesleepinpeace7052]

They're not going to win because this is their peak. Teams are just getting better now and even older players are still very good. IMO They need to trade Brown for assets before it's too late.

[@samthibault4229]

@@letmesleepinpeace7052how can you say this is their peak when we haven’t seen what KP can add? Not saying he will be the piece that puts them over the edge but he could be maybe so ya never know

[@l1fer233]

Hey man I love your content it really makes my day keep it up!

[@MDJiang]

Thanks

[@jonathanleasure7409]

Another great video!!

[@UTNatlChamps]

I think you’re right on this, man. I think Jaylen Brown is a good player, but he’s not a great one, by pretty much every analytically-based metric publicly available. Maybe I’ll be wrong, but I don’t think this contract will be a good one.

[@thehybrid26]

What do you propose the Celtics do then? Let him go for nothing? Trade him for such little value? Its the only option.

[@dominic64tblightning24]

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[@UTNatlChamps]

@@thehybrid26 I would trade him, yes. Get a good 3-and-D guy to replace Grant Williams, pick up some more bench depth. He’s basically slightly above-average overall. He has good scoring ability, but his TS% is league-average and his off-ball defense is horrible. There are better ways to spread that type of money around, imo.

[@thehybrid26]

@@UTNatlChamps I genuinely think that would lead to a worse outcome

[@treymatthews3353]

@@thehybrid26what do you mean trade him for such little value? Even if he would have been an expiring, they would get good value in return for him. I’m not saying it would be an equal return talent wise, but by doing so they could find players that fit far better on the team with much better contracts.

[@JustAnAzn]

Been waiting for this follow up vid since the news broke out

[@faizansyed134]

I gotta disagree with you here. I don’t think he stays if they play out his last year. I think the chances of the Celtics getting better without him and also keeping Tatum happy without him are next to zero. The number of things that would have to go right for the Celtics to be a better team without Brown is huge. Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis are all entering their prime. If I had to bet, I think this team has a better shot of winning the championship than a future Celtics team without Brown. Love the content! Keep it going!

[@chrisg2214]

They’re on the doorstep of winning an NBA championship. You have to resign the dude. if they have to they can trade him. Making the finals, the Eastern conference finals. The right there I don’t see a move at this point unless it’s like Damian Lillard that gets them closer.

[@Domo8186]

You don't offer him that deal after making All-NBA......then what? Your 2nf best player is now disgruntled. Then what does Tatum think? They have to win now with those guys in their prime. Windows in the NBA are short.

[@mwase7782]

exactly. sign him. even if you want to trade him. it'll keep the locker room in good shape, and you protect the value of the asset until you can splash for a giannis or luka or something if there's an opportunity & they decide to take it

[@d-blockceltics3696]

Gave? nah! Paid.....

[@romansheoships2716]

They need Tyus Jones or somebody else. Brogdan White and Pritchard are all score first guards and Tatum/Brown can have at times questionable decision making in the clutch. I just wonder how much they're gonna play another big next to KP cuz I kinda think they need more ball handing at times rather than another big cuz their offense gets too stagnant

[@Hoops_Fan]

The Celtics made the call to keep Jaylen because the alternatives weren't good enough. They should have at least tried to make him sign a contract just under the yearly super max number to give them more cap flexibility. Moreover, they lost Grant Williams for two seconds (new CBA rules forced them) and flipped Smart for Porzingis plus three firsts. Let's see what they make of their roster and assets.

[@TheTariqibnziyad]

They suck now, two vocal leaders gone, that's what it's left of them

[@Hoops_Fan]

@@TheTariqibnziyad Losing Smart and Williams hurts. The former was definitely a court leader. They did add Porzingis and have elite rim protection. Trouble is Kristaps, Horford and Time Lord may all get injured at some point in the season.

[@wesleyphung738]

u making basketball videos again?? nice!!

[@itaysevenfoldhamri]

as a celtics fan, I agree. this contract will end up being pretty awful. next season is gonna be a huge indicator whether jaylen brown wants to be a great player or a "pretty good" player. the dribbling (and general wonky fundamentals) have been a problem for multiple years. it hasn't been addressed. now they cost his team a chance to go to the nba finals and he was exposed. big time. i had some fellow fans on the celtics subreddit try and say "it's cause he has small hands" (which is total horseshit) and that there's a "myth" and overpaying players doesn't really exist in the league. i'm not drinking the copeium. i really hope they move him next summer. not because i dont like him, but because i think he's reached his ceiling and we're not gonna win a title with him as our second best guy. i'd love to be proven wrong, but i dont see it. and for the record - if a player ever signs a contract and there's a consensus that the team needs to win the title to justify it, it's likely it was a bad contract.

[@GameMasterAddict235]

Funny enough. the celtics issue on why they dont make it, is their Confidence and not skill or talent

[@Davivd2]

81st in Assist percentage., 89th in turnover percentage, 50th in PER behind Desmond Bane. Those are horrible numbers for a guy who plays ISO basketball at the end of games. That's a huge reason why the Celtics can't close out in close games. That team plays great basketball until crunch time comes and they just start going into ISO's.I wish that the NBA would sign a CBA without the supermax contracts. They need something that will save teams from themselves.

[@GKBarlahan]

Are you back full time in yt?

[@jparks3998]

Question for people who don't think you should pay him, What/who is the alternative?

[@ehfoiwehfowjedioheoih4829]

You just let him go and find another way. The goal is to win a championship with your star player… this guy doesn’t help that

[@kumimukimu]

yea there isn't really a great alternative for them currently. Letting him walk would be horrible, and involving him in a trade would also not be great, since he'd be an expiring contract. We've seen from players that they warn that they don't want to be traded somewhere because they will not resign there. So you're unlikely to get much for him in return.

[@jparks3998]

@@ehfoiwehfowjedioheoih4829 LMFAO my question is still the same. In the short term future who are you trading for/signing for that's gets you there? What is the other way? A draft pick currently in 8th grade? You know who was a star in 8th grade Emoni Bates/Austin Rivers. You dream of draft picks becoming JB

[@sconartist]

I thought the new CBA was supposed to somehow reward teams for “homegrown” players to incentivize against super teams? Am I mistaken/misinformed?

[@jbbrolic]

No, the "Bird rights" and supermax DID help teams until the new, hard(ish) cap, now it kind of doesn't.

[@TheTariqibnziyad]

Well look at how GS is getting punished for drafting and developing

[@eguuuuuuuu]

You really are the best NBA KZbinr ever

[@fpsantos8222]

He is young, I think they can trade him if necessary

[@balloe3466]

Is the salary cap increasing exponentially at 10% on a year-to-year basis or is it increasing linearly 10% each year compared to this year. Because if it is the first, his portion won't drop from 35% to 30 but from 35% to 22, right? If I have overlooked please do correct me.

[@anthonynorman7545]

Based in 2k, I believe it's linear. 😅

[@justtimes9257]

well, if the CBA wasn’t so tie to awards equal in contracts you wouldn’t have this issue; like if you make all nba, when did mvp or all defensive team, you can get a super max deal so maybe the solution to the issue is you have to be top 5 an mvp voting or make first team, all NBA to get the supermax edit: there was no other options

[@andrewvideogames]

Yo is MDJ back?

[@PeterBarkerMusic]

This contract will look completely normal in a few years for a player of his caliber. Seems insane now but that'll probably change quickly.

[@kostastube2010]

If they offered him 250M, he would decline??? 250M is still a ridiculous amount for any player, let alone Jaylene Brown.

[@guillenherman100]

You sound a lot like a laker fan

[@muhammadshafeeqbinishak1509]

I’d say if Jaylen can overcome the mental block in his head, and be almost mamba mentality, he can overcome the doubters and naysayers. He isnt a fully formed product yet. He should be, but he isnt. And he knows where he needs to work on now is clear as day. This will be the difference between him and Ben Simmons. If he doesnt overcome this and stagnates, then we can conclude that it was a mistake to offer the supermax. But for now, lets give JB the opportunity to prove everyone wrong.

[@letmesleepinpeace7052]

40M/Year for Brown MAX. You can justify 45M/Year but nah 300M over 5 years is way too much.

[@patrickhanlon2325]

I might be wrong but im pretty sure no matter how much money the league makes, the salary cap can only go up 10% max each year. Think it was Zach Lowes podcast, meaning if im remembering that right teams acrually can predict ( to some extent) what the cap will be in future years.

[@gabrielperez82204]

The reality is you had to pay him. In no world could you not pay him this summer, and him come back and sign a long term deal next year. In all likelihood he wouldn’t have even played for the team this season, you pay him this year, see if you can take another stab at a ring, it’s not like they aren’t close. If it fails once more, then you move on and try to replace him.

[@timothynguyen4446]

I generally don't like takes like this because it really seems that you are not seriously engaging with the reality of what the alternatives actually were. The Celtics are clearly committing to this current roster for the next 3 years. Your main argument in the prior video is that trading Jaylen Brown gives the Celtics more "flexibility." But, flexibility to do what? Trading for Damian Lillard would increase your chances slightly, but shortens your championship window drastically. Trading for "a couple of cuspy young players on expiring contracts" most likely just delays the roster decisions another year, in the hopes of trading for... what star player? Luka Doncic? Devin Booker? Those both seem like a stretch. I don't see any scenario where the Celtics build a better roster than this one if I am to be frank.

[@vinsanity3510]

Signing brown to the supermax severely limits the possibility of exploring other options. A hard conversation needed to be had. They should’ve made him take a pay cut to maintain true championship contention, cuz him on his own does not bring that.

[@jbbrolic]

They really should have traded him 1-2 years ago and not put themselves in this situation.

[@jparks3998]

@@jbbrolic 1-2 years ago they were in the finals lol

[@timothynguyen4446]

@@vinsanity3510 But what are the other options? You can't just gesture at the "possibilities of exploring other options" and that be good enough to let JB walk. What scenarios are there where the Celtics just get a much better roster?

[@vinsanity3510]

@@timothynguyen4446 did I not also say convince him to take the pay cut cuz he alone is not that guy?? What’re you talking about? Him taking a pay cut allows the Celtics to build a deeper team AROUND him bro am I the insane one?

[@martinvidenovic5767]

I wish I was wrong, but Boston may have become the same as Philadelphia.

[@garretnarjes782]

I don't think they had a choice. If they didn't offer him a super max, he was going to walk, then you're stuck trading him for 60 cents on the dollar. You don't get better by trading Jalen for Robert Covington, salary filler, and a couple picks. If you think you can trade him for someone better... who? You can't let stars walk, and you can't trade them for 3-4 different players, it doesn't work (trading a star for draft picks is also historically a loser, since the team GETTING the star player only gives up late 1st round picks, those players on average tend to last 4-5 years in the league). The problem was doubling down on 2nd-row Joe. He's not a championship coach. Maybe in 5-10 years with more experience, but I doubt it. The peak for Joe M, is Doc Rivers without KG. He's a player's coach, and player's coaches rarely win. Doc got lucky when the Celtics picked up KG, he was the engine that drove that team. Listen to the stories about him at Celtics practices. "Player's coaches" fail because they don't push the team or hold them accountable. Udoka got them to the finals by being the toughest guy on the team, and the Celtics lost him and the 2nd toughest player now.

[@averageguy1261]

You're one smart dude.

[@basedswoop]

I think you’re disregarding a few things 1) just how hard it is to win a championship 2) Asset management 3) Market Value & 4) How hard it is to obtain and retain all nba talent. I do think Jaylen Brown being apart a ton of deep playoff runs so early in his career is a rarity and something that should be rewarded. There’s not a more consistent team right now.

[@basedswoop]

If you go off a players talent level. Well Jaylen Brown is a very talented player, 26 ppg, & 2nd team all nba. He’s also 26 years old. If you’re only reasoning is he’s not a perfect player and xyz other player doesn’t make this much then you don’t understand how market value works. How much he’s getting paid is more about timing and how much the cap allows him to be paid.

[@basedswoop]

For people to pretend this just some all-star that’s getting paid is being disingenuous about how talented Jaylen Brown is and can be moving forward.

[@danielthompson3928]

Agreed, it would have been a huge mistake to let a player like him walk. Everyone talks trash about him not being that guy but somehow Damian Lillard is. I am sorry but last I checked the Blazers have actually surrounded him with decent players and they did not go anywhere. When you are on a team with other stars you shine less, and I am not convinced that Brown is not a star yet. If he ran his own team I think his numbers would balloon and all of a sudden we would be having a different discussion. The argument against him is as asinine as saying Durant is not that dude because his numbers are not better than xyz.

[@23minutesof]

I think every franchise in NBA know. In a case like this, the second best player in the rosters, eligible for supermax but not worth the max, but still they have to offer the max number. Coz they're afraid to insult the player. Always happen. Sorry for bad english

[@ahoneyman]

I don't hate the move. Boston isn't a free agent destination compared to places like LA or Miami. Really, when is the last time you heard a top 10 player say "I want to play in Boston" Jalen Brown has definite flaws. He's not an ideal #2 on a championship team. He is a good #2 for a solid playoff team. Jalen Brown is a player teams will overpay for. If things go south in year two and Brown is still playing at an All Star level a 3 year/180mil contract isn't bad for a team looking for respectability or has an untenable situation with a star that wants out. Maybe Edwards gets tired of losing in Minnesota? A Brown/Edwards swaparoo allows Minnesota to save face.

[@danielthompson3928]

I am glad you brought up late game execution. That was the major issue with Marcus Smart. He would always turn into a ball hog and keep Brown out of it at the very end of games and force the team to lose in playoff games. They improved their late game execution by getting rid of Smart.

[@omarbrito8094]

Good for jalen make your money

[@jackxiao9702]

$70 million last year ... that's more than the Heat's entire roster during the big 3 era ofof Lebron, DWade and Bosh. For a player that would be considered a good role player back then.

[@fobinc]

Can't use 2012 salary cap to argue 2023 salary. Gotta look in terms of % of cap vs raw numbers to get a more fair analysis.

[@vincentchow9285]

Bruh…

[@brokensoul8390]

It looks like after Smart jumped ship they thought, "Eh, screw him and Tatum, give the rest of the salary budget to our second-best player."

[@tarmaskhalifa871]

The problem with celtics r that they r inconsistent. They can beat the nuggets by 30 next game they gonna loose to the pistons by 30. They have reached their ceiling. Like raptors did in 2018. Now either get a guy who compliments one of Jayson or brown or this shitshow gonna continue until both want out.

[@lucrussell9363]

Losing him for absolutely nothing trumps all. Celtics were in a bad situation and this was the best way to make the most of it, whether they move him later or whatever.

[@RussellReviewerFJV]

Honestly wasn’t crazy about it after that game 7 they had to do it. It was that or you trade him and get less talent back

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

People keep bringing up Tatum. What if they moved Tatum?

[@projectgraham414]

Move Tatum but keep Brown? That would be absolutely stupid

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

@@projectgraham414 In order to get a player in return where the net return + Jaylen Browns contract would equal about 50% of the salary cap. I just want to dismantle this argument that Jaylen Brown shouldn't get paid that much as a second option. I've only figured 2 actual arguments. The myth that keeps coming back "they are too similar" and "Brown outplayed Tatum in the Finals" narratives seem to support the idea. You know. It is just precarious how Brown was drafted first. Making him eligible first. So about Trading Tatum. I think people are all too hastily arguing that they are going to give Tatum the Supermax.......against Jaylen Brown and I dislike that.

[@projectgraham414]

@@OH_MY_DOGGG but if I've gotta choose between Tatum and Brown, I'm picking Tatum. Jayson is a very good player, obviously. But as a Bucks fan, I think he's worth Middleton money. He's amazing in certain situations, but he's not winning anyone a championship. A supermax contract should be reserved for those special players. Giannis, Jokic, Steph, KD (although that one is getting questionable), Luka, and so on. Brown is not that guy

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

@@projectgraham414 We're having two different conversations. Frankly, I don't care much about what you would do vs what you think they would do. Plus, I would venture a guess that you don't really care what I think they should do. So. As long as you agree so far. I'm just saying I wouldn't rule it out that they would keep only Brown. Especially of keeping both if them (at 70% of the cap) is such a bad idea and if paying Brown a supermax is a bad idea as a 2nd option.

[@1mihayes]

I agree with you because honestly, I’ve been saying this for the last three years, Tatum and Brown will never win a “Championship” together IMHO. Everybody hates me for saying it, but I believe it’s true simply for the fact that they duplicate each other on the court. Brown, IMHO, will never reach his talent potential in Boston because of Tatum’s presence. Simple as that. They won’t allow them to share the glory or the leadership of that team. It is what it is. If Brown truly wants to be all he can be, he will seek for a trade to somewhere where he can potentially be the leader of a team, have more say, or have the team center around him. He may not want that, but that’s my take.

[@tutoreemimo]

Brown’s contract can be moved, NP. You don’t pay him, you lose him. You pay him, you turn him into assets.

[@ding0389]

Here's an idea, they should reduce the salary cap

[@RealTomahawk7]

The Celtics had no choice: It was either pay him what he wanted, trade him for less than what he was worth, or potentially let him go for nothing. Yeah

[@karlsobieck4943]

What do people want the celtics to do? You can let the yearly all star walk next season, you could trade him for a disgruntled damian lillard who won’t win them anything, or you can keep your all-star on the roster for 5 more seasons. After hearing that for the first time it’s a no brainer they should resign him and keep him happy with the max.

[@johndotcue]

They had no viable choice lol. There were no other alternatives, and the best player to be traded right now, Dame, only wants to go to one team.

[@phillipgoat00]

That gm is going to get fireed eventually. If they cannot win paying the guy 20 mil per year, how are you going to win paying him 60 per year lol. Boston is heading into rebuild mode in 5 years maybe. Tatum has peaked and Brown is the most overrated max player of all time. Boston Celtics fan here, but man, that contract is way worse than Beal's

[@zachcomposto535]

The Celtics don’t really have a true point guard. That’s their fatal flaw in my opinion

[@banparlous2552]

Celtics really didn't have much choice

[@hught6885]

I like the players on the Celtics but hate the team and most importantly their fans!! Hands down the MOST annoying fan base in all of sports!

[@cameronno6039]

I hate the statement someone was "given" anything. Jalen earned that contract. Both parties agreed to it. Celtics "offered" him the contract is fair. They did not gift him anything. He would have gotten a max contract (though less money) on another team.

[@jonathanc3570]

Terrible, terrible contract

[@Googoogagabanana]

They got porzingiz, they definitely got a chance

[@AirRusher1992]

At least this is the only way for the Celtics to make Jaylen Brown happy or else he will leave and they will have nothing in return.

[@kuzmathegoat7197]

Celtics doomed themselves by going small and chucking threes with mazzulla. Jb and jt can work if you have the right supporting cast but now grant and smart are out the door (their identity/leaders)

[@johnrigley8748]

You can trade him later. They have a variety of assets. No offense, but I think Brad Stevens and co have a better idea of what's going on than you.

[@bartekino]

the first good objective review! most are just not objective. thx. they start dreaming and are making brown always better than he is. dribble down his weaknesses. brown is only a solid 2nd option player. never he will be a 1st option on a contender. why paying him like a 1st option superstar? he is not scoittie pippen. even pippen was not a successful 1st option in houston or portland. brad stevens will trade him next offseason. i believe boston just got a good offer on the table now, so they give him the extension.

[@jparks3998]

Lmfao you know Scottie was not even asked to be the 1st option in Houston or PDX?

[@bartekino]

@@jparks3998 he came there to be the 1st. it didn´t work out, because he isn´t a 1st option like brown. just not the creation level u need to be as a 1st option.

[@SBAsheAsAbove]

Making Playoff runs without winning a Championship is just wear & tear on the players.

[@SupaSeph]

Love your videos but man I disagree with your JB takes. They did prove they can win a chip when they lost to the warriors. They've been the #1 defense with this core. You also say they can't win with this core but they just made a major change in their core so I'm not really sure why you feel so sure this isn't going to work out for the Cs. I say be patient and watch because Jaylen Brown is going to come out next year and prove all you basketball commentators wrong. He's a plus defender, elite scorer, good ball handler minus left hand drives which he will improve on, and he shines in the biggest moments whether you realize it or not. He's carried the celtics through series but just because it wasn't the ECF or the finals people don't give him the credit he deserves.

[@glovs4188]

Smart is easily the reason why boston chokes in crunch time. He tries to play hero ball or make dumb decisions. Just look at last year ecf. The play was clearly designed for white to take a open corner shot. Smart chose to do a turn around fadeaway 3. White knew he was gonna do something stupid so he ran to the rim and made a game winning shog..

[@USER06584B]

the celtics core has proved year after year that they are one of the best eastern conference teams and they have more firepower than most even after this recent off-season. but i think the two Jays are a better duo on paper than on the court, yes they can make tough shots, but you cannot run many actions with the two of them which scramble a defense like other duos (bam and jimmy, jokic and murray, steph and dray, fox and sabonis). Furthermore, they both score in very similar ways, perhaps if brown can get better at drawing fouls that may help get good defenders in foul trouble (although he has been inconsistent at the line), but otherwise i don't have much faith in them against the better defensive teams unless one of the jays goes crazy like tatum in game 7.

[@jeffreyvalentyn6815]

I feel like this guy makes all the wrong takes.

[@fobinc]

Call me stupid, but I think the issue is Tatum and his struggle dribbling with both hands, not Brown.

[@jbbrolic]

They both have kind of the same flaws (weak driving to the hoop against solid defense, choke artists) that compound on each other in the playoffs.

[@fobinc]

@jbbrolic I pick Brown, less injuries. He's slightly better on defense as well.

[@OH_MY_DOGGG]

​@@fobinc I am curious to see people's feedback on the concept of trading tatum. And its only to see if they would like Brown better with Tatum not around. I havent received any answers.

[@Averagedre]

@@fobincwait brown less injured than tatum? thats odd because tatum has played the most minutes in the NBA since he was drafted do you guys pay attention or do you just talk out of your ass