So They Remade Shi no Numa for the Sixth Time...

[@munanchoinc]

What made WAW zombies so good is simplicity. You didn't need to read an entire book to understand what to do.

[@qwerty975]

But when you read the entire book for one map, it becomes so more enjoyable. Mob, Origins, Der Eisendrache, Shadows of Evil, Gorod Krovi, Buried, Moon are all great examples of that

[@lolcow6668]

@@qwerty975 Nah. It isn’t fun to look up a fucking guide every time I play a map. That is bad game design 101.

[@qwerty975]

@@lolcow6668 then your brain has the capacity of a gold fish, sorry for that. It's not a bad game design, in fact many WaW maps besides Der Riese lack a lot in terms of infamous "game design". Der Riese is the first complete zombies map. It also includes some steps in activating PaP, which is pretty similar to SoE PaP activation. Do you also forget that?

[@ΒασίληςΒλάχος-τ3κ]

Nah, story has been a part of zombies ever since veruct you could argue, what made it great was that they didn't shove it in your face, you actually had to discover lore through the environment which made it so much cooler than exposition, plus people who didn't care could just not be bothered.

[@lolcow6668]

@@qwerty975 it literally is my dude. Imagine having to pull up a fucking guide to play a rpg game lol. Shit is so fucking wack and you saying “your brain has the capacity of a goldfish” says a lot on how butt hurt you are by my statement. Yes I can pull up a guide and try to remember it but it ain’t worth it to me. Oh and having annoying steps is one of them as well. Those old games aren’t as good as you think they are bud. I have a lot of complaints about how shitty the design was of those old cod zombies games.

[@thugravity]

creating vanguard was a crime against humanity

[@Balle20729]

I can’t believe people were genuinely excited they’re adding back round based they’ve got Stockholm Syndrome so badly that they’re happy Treyarch are only just adding back the fundamentals of zombies

[@philly3457]

Only because we wasted money on it and now there's an actual round based map, so of course we are excited Edit: I didn't care too much about objective based maps but round based is way more superior

[@Balle20729]

@@philly3457 You shouldnt be excited for basic features you should be expecting them and you should be rightfully pissed off when they don’t add it

[@philly3457]

@@Balle20729 you shouldn't tell me if I should or shouldn't be excited. I paid $110. I'm allowed to be excited if I want to. Alright? I'm very excited that they added Shi No Numa otherwise I wouldn't play vanguard at all

[@Balle20729]

@@philly3457 You’re excited for a remake you can play on 5 other games? Jesus your expectations are low

[@philly3457]

@@Balle20729 the funny thing is that you have NO CLUE what my expectations are. so stop being a keyboard warrior and don't act as if you know me.

[@vs4deathx]

After spending all this time watching your shorts I finally decided to watch an actual video and I’m impressed. 🤣 Great content :)

[@TheFrosty_1]

Thanks! :)

[@lewiebrownie]

keep making more zomb vids!

[@KV-2_Boom]

Yes

[@kurosu_osu]

Same

[@crudbeans8905]

@@kurosu_osu same

[@WarHelmetCombine]

"Do they think I'm this stupid to not know what a door is?" Now Frosty remember that you are playing vanguard.

[@KnifeToMeetYou_]

Even if it took them more than half of their game's lifespan to add in a proper Zombies map, it looks ok. Shame that it was a remake of a classic map instead of something new though...

[@VioletDownpour777]

Exactly, this actually looks fun. Not fun enough for me to shell out 60 to 80 for this crap game though.

[@Febreeze419]

All these new zombies games just tell you where everything is and what to do. It feels less and less like an adventure and more like a chore. Edit: I now realise that I was remembering everything wrong and that old maps were abstract.

[@buak809]

and I believe it's much less challlenging than it used to be e.g zombies being tougher and the tougher as the rounds go by to the point that you would have to waste all ammo from both weapons on a single zombie and it'd still be walking fine :')

[@fierytigergaming8112]

@@buak809 Lol, I had that luck yesterday - was being chased by walkers and both the Wunderwaffe DG3 and PaPed NV were out of ammo

[@Zelousmarineinspace]

It feels like a videogame and not a real place that you could inhabit

[@thechugg4372]

Legit though you have a skyrim compass, a mini map, 3D indicators in game holy shit can they not hold your hand like a baby god dammit.

[@N-GinAndTonicTM]

Hang on, what happened to whinging about the Maps being too complex?? Or does that only apply when we feel like it.

[@Chun788]

There is actually another mobile version of shi no numa. It came out as a stand alone map in one app and then later was put into an app with the other world at war maps. So its been remade 7 times

[@Jozombies115]

Actually 8 times, it was in CoD online which was the china only call of duty game.

[@zombies4evadude24]

@@Jozombies115 oh yeahhh

[@toadboydude5015]

Nothing like the excitement you get from finally unlocking "Mildew"

[@Changingtesting]

Been wondering why they thought of this map to remaster this many times, and still wondering why they decided the move away from round based zombies, it’s literally the core attribute of zombies

[@viagrabuffalo5141]

Asset reuse.

[@El_Soy]

It's sad to see the new developers shamelessly ripping off the work of the people who actually pioneered cod zombies back in the day, and making it worse on top of that.

[@nononoohfuck]

It's not their decision. You don't understand the hierarchy of triple A game dev studios. You think this isn't a suit at the top demanding devs hit their 70th nostalgia content drop of the current game cycle? You think that all the devs are just mindless idiots? The creative director has the ship wheel and even then they have to answer to what the suits say the market and investors want. I too hate nostalgia fatigue but I'm not ignorant about this man.

[@El_Soy]

@@nononoohfuck This is the same logic people use to justify Rockstar ruining GTA Online, and it's incorrect. Game developers are not mindless slaves, they do have autonomy and say over what they want to do with their games. The oversight that comes from executives is because of monetization schemes, not what type of maps they release. This is just making excuses for game developers putting out bad products.

[@alaikee]

Pretty much Activisions fault, there is a small group of treyarch working on this, while they just come from working on cold war, that didnt had a proper development cycle that year too sadly. But to be honest this is the best version of shi no numa, just sucks that vanguard is meh

[@goldentoparican788]

Alright, but you do realize that Treyarch is being crunched to shit compared to Rockstar Games right? Remember, they were pulled in to fix the development of Cold War/Cod 2020 because Sledgehammer and Raven were getting nowhere with the project and revised the whole thing as a Black Ops reboot. Outbreak was most likely made to help deliver much easier to create content to the player base so that they could hold them off until the next map, but then there was that time period where we got no new map for a few season because most likely they were pulled for Vanguard due to Zombies popularity in Cold War. That's why Der Anfang and Terra Maledicta are such lacking modes: they are a result of Treyarch barely having enough time to make the mode. Hell, dug up voice lines indicated more objectives like a defend objective similar to Outbreak were you have to defend a terminal while Bellekar extracts info from it, similar to the data analyzer in Outbreak.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

@@goldentoparican788 Well, damn, that sucks to hear about the lines showing there was more.

[@elitemania640]

Vanguard = Disappointment: Game Edition.

[@hahabrrrrr4465]

Worst CoD ever

[@thecia4759]

@@hahabrrrrr4465 true it’s absolute shit with its 139 inaccuracies and its trash campaign and multiplayer and zombie

[@hahabrrrrr4465]

@@thecia4759 worst than Bo in the ps vita

[@philly3457]

May be a disappointment but there's always 500+ daily players. Zombies is trash (except Shi No Numa), I hate multiplayer in general and I don't play campaign, so yeah. I have heard vanguard campaign is actually okay-ish but I don't play campaign at all

[@elitemania640]

@@philly3457 vanguard campaign is filled with tons of inaccuracies and woke new age content. If you wanted to play it go ahead but the inaccuracies are very much present. Watch his video on the inaccuracies of vanguard campaign, it's very good.

[@rutabega8348]

Vanguard zombies makes Cold War zombies look like a masterpiece 😬

[@WastedPotentiaI1]

Well cw zombies was pretty good, change it to bo4 zombies

[@rutabega8348]

@@WastedPotentiaI1 BO4 was not that bad, but yeah I agree

[@KalebThomasisdead]

Idk why people bag in cw zombies, it's different but it's a major leap from bo4 in my oppinion.

[@plushluigi7417]

Cold war zombies is pretty good from what I've seen

[@rutabega8348]

@@plushluigi7417 it’s pretty good, It’s definitely worth getting on sale

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

0:40 Hey, hey, Shi no Numa was the map that crawled so the rest of zombies could run. That is a golden map, unworthy to fit into... Ugh... Vanguard.

[@serris4452]

I'm pretty sure they remastered Shi No Numa because the map was sorta already in the game so they got lazy and copied and pasted it.

[@SmokyXGS]

I wouldn't call it lazy, it's more of saving themselves time. If they made a totally original map instead of remaking Shi No Numa, it would've taken them much more time to release a round based map. (And we would've gone another season with no content so the devs could finish this "original map")

[@Carpediem357]

@@SmokyXGS well we’ll see what the supposed next DLC map will be cause if it’s a new original map then your comment is pointless

[@SmokyXGS]

@@Carpediem357 they only needed to stick to reusing Shi No Numa because they also needed more time to rebuild the Round Based mechanics. Now that the mechanics are done, they have more time to work on the next map compared to SNS.

[@Carpediem357]

@@SmokyXGS there’s no way they needed to rework everything since 90% of it was in the game all they should need is to get rid of some of the coding that made it outbreak and poof done. I wish you people would stop defending devs for being lazy and accepting something un-original. Back in Bo4 people complained and were pissed at Treyarch for remastering old maps now 4 years later we’re just accepting it? If this was CW yeah I could understand but Vanguard there’s no excuse it’s pure laziness.

[@SmokyXGS]

@@Carpediem357 it isn't lazy. If you've looked at what the employees at Treyarch are saying, they're burnt out. They're overworked and tired. Also it's more complicated to make the Round Based mechanics from the current mode. (Not to mention that Treyarch isnt familiar with this engine (and the zombies team for Vanguard is much smaller than the previous titles)). They have to rework the zombies AI and pathing, have the Round ending trigger be changed from detecting objective completion to zombie amount, reworking the box and coding in wallbuys, etc. I'm also not gonna try defending them 100%, they're still accountable for some negatively received mechanics of the objective style of maps. I just want people to understand the other parts to the story of the devs so people don't go harassing them about the overall mode, as I've seen lots of awful comments being made about them. (They should be going towards Activision)

[@dakingofgaming0138]

My 2 favorite parts of this video is when the character says shut up and you say me when the narrator talks. 2nd is the MrRoffleWaffles ee guide being pulled up.

[@cally0959]

I'm so glad this was way more down to earth. I just learned about this map and everyone else I saw talk about it was pog facing and nearly about to nut on Activision for doing something really new like it hasn't been done six times before.

[@HyperionGamingTOPKEK]

I remember spending the night at my friend's parents' house on the release night of Shi no numa back in WaW. It took until 2 am to finish and we put 10 rounds down and then fell asleep on accident

[@hahabrrrrr4465]

Fun fact: in CoD mobile the shi no nu ma is removed and no longer in the game. As long as the CoD mobile community knows they never added it back after removing it. There is a cod zombies limited event which changed the playing field from stage based to Open world. The new map is set in the BR map isolated. It was later removed and there is no news of it coming back

[@TheFrosty_1]

Damn, they just don't wanna give the zombies community what they want

[@hahabrrrrr4465]

@@TheFrosty_1 but atleast they improved it since activision wasn’t directly improved in it so the devs can do whatever they want, and CoD mobiles been very good recently. Sure they nerfed some bad stuff but now it’s good. Like hardline (makes scorestreak progression didn’t get reset if you die) which is paired by hardline (+25% of normal score) becomes an absolute score streak destroyer, you can get like 2 vtols in one game. Now they nerfed and changed hardline color (from red to blue) so it cannot be paired with hardline (blue)

[@SmokyXGS]

Funnily both Shi No Numa and the Undead Seige zombie modes are still in the Chinese version of COD Mobile. Also Round Based zombies will be returning to the main CODM versions in the future, as the head of COD Mobile confirmed so in an interview.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

@@SmokyXGS It sucks hearing about the Chinese build having both modes. I don't know about the game size over there but I imagine they're able to work with it.

[@skydub7844]

@@hahabrrrrr4465 did they nerf akimbo? Lol

[@SmokyXGS]

Okee so to answer the intro of the video: It's because of crunch dev time. Why'd it take so long to add round based? It's because we'll firstly, this is a new game engine Treyarch isn't familiar with. Like they stated when announcing this map, they had to recreate the Round Based mechanics from the ground up (as Vanguard uses the IW engine and all of Treyarchs games up to Cold War has been on their own engine). At the time of Der Anfangs launch, they didn't have enough time to rebuild the mechanics on time for the launch of Vanguard, so the objective style maps were the best they could do at the time (keep in mind they were also developing Cold War still). This is why during S3 of Vanguard, there was basically no content for Zombies. They were working hard on recreating the Round Based mechanics for the game. Why Shi No Numa? Well it's the easiest to create seeing as the main base of Shi No Numa is already in Der Anfang. Also the dev team of Vanguard zombies is much smaller than the usual team size for the previous installments for zombies. Basically, blame Activision for the state of Zombies, not Treyarch. :)

[@SmokyXGS]

Just think of Vanguard as a practice run for Treyarch. They get to familiarize themselves with this engine and refine the mechanics of Zombies for their next game (seeing as Activision is making em use the IW engine for it).

[@TheFrosty_1]

You hit the nail on the head, this was only my first raw experience with the game but ya it's definitely a problem with Activision rather than Treyarch, I feel bad for Treyarch honestly they are trying their best with the very little resources that they were giving

[@g1shockwave1984]

Very long and big

[@SmokyXGS]

@@g1shockwave1984 le bible

[@g1shockwave1984]

@@SmokyXGS oh

[@chonki19]

This is the best vanguard video I have seen

[@TheFrosty_1]

A worthy compliment for sure, thank you

[@spongeythumb]

This is the only vanguard zombies video I've seen

[@ej5999]

I like how you have actual good criticism instead of zombies bad

[@wingsofblackedbrandy4798]

It’s still pretty fun. I enjoy it. But wish we could get a new map that stands out tho

[@AuazzyDiscontinued]

a new map would suck

[@salseren1152]

Cutscene Looks like the fallout screens when you finish and start a game from 3 and new vegas 😄 lol great video

[@ANDREW.24]

Sometimes I feel like there's a lot of other people equipped for this job of making maps and storylines like for god sakes even people that mod random custom maps they're missing so many key elements that they think it's not important like storyline and actual characters like Jesus Christ I think they can just make a map it suddenly good

[@ItsASpaceCowboy]

They Tutorialized Zombies... One of the easiest concepts to understand... I think it can get worst (Unless it's Borderline impossible to play but they gotta stop making Zombies like this dude)

[@mafikdew78]

You underestimate the IQ of the average cod player

[@neodoltsenpai]

all the in game voice lines interrupting Mr frosty "SHUDDAP! im trying to listen to the amazing Frosty 1"

[@ayhem5274]

3:35 its called the gabagoo

[@TheFrosty_1]

Yeah, hi Ham 😂

[@Spade_FoxDerg]

there's a second song (Samantha's sorrow), cold war's rampage inducer is hidden at the start as another Easter egg, and lastly... there is one yet to be solved~

[@DieHardRedemption]

Imagine creating an iconic map back in 2009 only to butcher the surrounding area like deleting the vegetation and trees

[@Corvoattano13]

The fact that it shows you the zombies both on your HUD and in the minimap is so upsetting.

[@bruh-ct9hp]

1:42 damn that Arnold Schwarzenegger accent...

[@dxmanforlife]

Why are all the cod zombies Easter eggs songs instrumental? I miss Elena

[@a4arick106]

I hate that they now pick "round-based play" as feature instead of the characteristic CoD Zombies always had.

[@xpert577gaming3]

"Hi guys mrroflwaffles here" oh man love hearing that

[@grnw0lf4lcn]

Hey, I just wanted to say congrats on 40k subs lol🎉🎉

[@TheFrosty_1]

Thank you! :>

[@smgeezus7186]

If you open the stairs in the starting room, you are a sociopath.

[@Memessssss]

This is one of my favs maps its just so fire

[@jakelong312]

The “hey guys mrrofowaffle here” part had me crying

[@Alex-hp8ew]

This looks exactly like the chinese version called call of duty online

[@mr.tie-rex9577]

Nearly a whole lot of people have to rely on Milo aka Mr. Rofflwaffles.

[@synthwavecat96]

14:15 To be fair, the Flogger was always a one-hit even with God Mode on

[@vesper4789]

Enjoyed the commentary Good job

[@just_some_greek_dude]

In cod WW2 there is a dlc map set in Egypt my guess is there gonna use that map plus there gonna ad it to the multiplayer

[@nukegrantski11s4]

ok sir i just about binged all your vids ya need to make more lad

[@TheFrosty_1]

Thanks my guy

[@nukegrantski11s4]

@@TheFrosty_1 np my guy you make great vids

[@AnqorM206]

The only good part about vanguard is this map... which is a map from a 2008 game...

[@sanlorenzo7896]

I only remember this map being released from WaW, BO1, and BO3. That said, I’m surprised it got released three more times after the fact 😂

[@saddpigeon2551]

8:45 that's so relatable

[@drunkstepdadproductions7857]

its sad to see this because world at war shi no numa and black ops 1 kino der toten are my most played and my fovorite maps

[@piotrmontgomerytv7786]

8:51 best moment

[@blearbenin]

bro i cant believe that cheap death transition and the 2 picture powerpoint presentation cutscene. it seems they are struggling financially

[@SgtTankDempsey]

as annoying those eldergods can be even the old crews talked as much as them and every little thing they did

[@nicolasmouzakis650]

At least their comments were funny and brief, not so much exposition and hand holding

[@Mostly-Ghostly]

Feels like a mod remake

[@BobBob-up8fz]

Although it's good to see Shi-nu return. It's a hollow feeling. I've never play Vangusrd Zombies. So can't fairly judge it. But what I have seen. The whole, "Upgrade you're perk 5 times in game". Is silly. Atleast with Cold war. You upgrade it in the menus. And that was it forever.

[@LAST_STAND_FAN]

While it wasn't done well in Vanguard, I prefer the idea of upgrading things in-game. It sucked the fun out of Cold War when you could immediately get 6 different effects on every perk.

[@jackycaptain_1670]

In codm shi no numa there is NEW area too, you have to fix the elevator to go into the underground base. On hardcore if you go in the Underground base you can fight the second boss he is pretty harder then the abomination

[@مصعب395]

I would rather play codm zombies than vanguard shit

[@SmokyXGS]

8:50 based

[@nicolaspadilla8352]

The part when he had to watch a tutorial on how to play it was funny

[@mrkrills8839]

You forgot the Japanese cyborg zombies

[@en3myspott3d54]

All those voice lines and hints are a hand holding mechanic there to pander to new players as if they're idiots and can't figure anything out by themselves

[@littlemacisunderrated412]

I wouldn’t call opening the stairs first “not being a psychopath” I’d call it “being a sheep”

[@FarmerDingus]

This is what zombies became..?

[@gameguy5086]

"Terra mala maledick's out" XD

[@robertlawler7754]

Alpha Omega was a decent enough cutscene for me

[@SirStunner]

4:01 *insert draymond green “NOOOPE”

[@covengamingroblox]

Did I just see a inferno in a console cod game for the first time

[@1980s_gg]

Am i the only one that thinks at 5:25 when he puts the barrel in it made a Streetsweeper reloading noise from cold war lol

[@1980s_gg]

@@UBERKIST224 scam

[@andyfriederichsen]

If you are going to have damage numbers in that gamemode, at least have it be a single, static number above the enemy's head that changes to show the damage done by every attack you do instead of having the enemy vomiting damage numbers.

[@ClipCrew]

I can't wait for it to be remastered a 7th time in Ghosts 2

[@troypowers750]

Oooooh, Wake Island and Operation Metroooooo!

[@Gruwg2024]

This had to be easier than waw shi no I can’t believe they’ve done this

[@noaamonyakuza5]

Playing vanguard you sure are a brave one

[@isaacjeterphotography]

It looks like WWII zombies

[@JasperFoxo]

what have they done to my poor zombies

[@rapappathepepper3996]

Shi no Numa may be unpopular, but i think it's underratedly fun. I mean... Compared to Verruckt and Nacht it has so much more already and people don't realize what it added, and an original and more open layout that kind of serves for what the rest of the series will be based on. ... But out of all maps, this one for Vanguard just seems... odd? Probably just re-using asset from the first Vanguard map.

[@CocoKoi321]

This video perfectly showcases what's wrong with modern zombies No points per every bullet Constantly markering where doors are like we're returded And the crap af operators in zombies while also they constantly call out everything and make abnoxious jokes and puns and call outs that make you wanna die And eveennnnnnnn more crap And armour doesn't belong in zombies at all and weapons tier rarities.. and ugh MORE CRAP

[@killwillv2610]

I understand not having points for a single bullet shot. It's kinda broken that you can shoot a horde of zombies, possibly get 100k points and none of them die. Makes no sense really

[@grapefruitjuice9473]

The layout of this and cold war was horrible where it says "Zombie eliminated" and points coming up on your screen

[@TheImprovementArchieve]

All cod games have to offer these days is nostalgic maps that get old over the years, it’s a shame to see what the once great series has come to.

[@kadegrenade7527]

God Vanguard is such an embarrassment. The map didn't look that bad, but it's a really bad sign when the best you can do is a remake of a 13 year old map that wasn't even that popular upon release.

[@rocker2349]

just...just let my boy rest...just let it rest..it just hurts seeing shi no butchered like this. i loved shi no back in the day, but this..this is too much.

[@aleonopoliuy6940]

We need more of his gameplay

[@snowy5419]

The only think i thought was kinda cool for this map was the easter egg step eith the flogger throwing zombies inti that fountain thing

[@srinivarma1320]

At least cold war actually remade Nact der Untonten in a way that is unique

[@jigsyshorts]

Great video, are you from Cork/south Ireland?

[@SundrySun90]

Hello Peter, how’s it HANGING 💀

[@alexmaccity]

Alli a was the OG zombie guider

[@ciabound]

Ever since bo1 they have done my boi Richthofen

[@medicgaming7555]

8:47 this made me laugh

[@mrkeego1769]

I appreciate that the developers wanted to try something new to get away from the round based system. Absolutely nothing was wrong with the round based system mind you, but there's nothing wrong with a bit of creativity and originality. Vanguard zombies completely missed the mark though, and that launch map was truly awful and not enjoyable in the slightest. But to then return to the round based system on nothing more than a remaster of an old map is probably the biggest kick in the balls for me. Instead of trying something new in a rounds based map, they just gave us back an old map and hoped the backlash would go away

[@CalixtoGarciaIniguez1898]

Honestly, cod zombies seen better days.:.

[@andyfriederichsen]

Hopefully they at least made the bolt-action rifles useful.

[@driperalgrievous384]

I still want to see how many inacuraties World at war has

[@brandonorozco8358]

I don’t know why it’s so hard for them to make a zombies game like black ops 3 zombies

[@KSIWOLF]

You can get the wunderwaffle from the box

[@Lucas-sf6km]

They didn’t learn. Pause is only 2 hours 🫥🫥🫥

[@RasEli03]

The game feels condescending and filled with marvel dialogue

[@cadjebushey6524]

At least it isn't Nuketown remastered for the 50th time.

[@Immolator772]

Since the brought back round-based, i might come back to zombies. Cause it's so boring to grind, on those other mobile game type maps and objectives.

[@tamimcallister4531]

Shi No Numa was also in CoD: Online

[@wojtek-thepolishartillerybear]

I hope they remake kino next. Would actually play vanguard again.

[@gahler8552]

Get lost, young cod fanatic boy.

[@dryerofdoom]

Shi no Numa is my favorite map from waw

[@jamiegaskins3687]

All previous zombie maps should automatically be in the game on the day it releases. Seeing treyarch pat themselves on the back every year when they bring back an old map is pathetic. Tired of them acting like they're doing us he biggest favor year after year by simply adding something that should already be in the game. This is just another example of the COD devs being some of the laziest in the business. Also, if you're gonna bring back a classic map, you don't ruin it like treyarch seems to do every time. Keep it like it was originally, and keep the lame ass new age zombies shit out of it.