So You Own … the MS 250 Stihl Chainsaw

[@Carlsmower]

Thanks for watching! We're big advocates of shopping and supporting local if you're watching from a different area here's the dealer locator so you can support a local business too. www.stihlusa.com/locator/search/

[@ait0317]

Hellos sir I ended up going back to my stihl dealer in hopes of getting the 261 c but unfortunately it's a usa model not mexico model the closest thing they had was a 260 I traded my 250 because I hadn't used it yet 😔 hopefully stihl starts importing the odd number machines. But my question is. Did I make a good choice for ranch work? I do have some large trees there

[@ogk9com]

I recently picked up agently used ms170 for $80 for my son's first saw. After local dealer tune up, chain and bar, it was $125? Same price as a new one. Lesson learned 170's are throw away unless you do it yourself. Lol. Thought I'd share. Stay safe out there America!

[@johnclarke6647]

Yea, I own two of them. A Farmertec MS 250 that I built and a brand new Stihl MS 250. I also have a Stihl 025 that I restored. All three are great saws. I run MotoMix in them. It is a great fuel.

[@tinytim9453]

Can I ask what's the best air gap for the coil on the 250's

[@johnclarke6647]

@@tinytim9453 I use a business card for setting all air gap.

[@oleboy4332]

Great video! I wish I was near you guys, I’d buy from you, very informative for a newbie like me. Thank you! I’m looking to buy a Stihl soon

[@zachary3428]

I typically run STIHL pro saws and love them. I was working for a company and they had a few of these saws. Man we beat the crap out of them, got them wet, muddy, you name it and they somehow kept going. These are worth the money. Epically if you’re only gonna use it once in a while and have no need for a pro saw.

[@jeremyhespen8516]

Just picked up my first saw last week, the ms250, and I love it. Definitely going to use this video as a reference for maintenance in the future. Thanks for all the tips and advice!

[@tonyportella994]

my MS 250 is impossible to pull to start. what should I do??/

[@carlsmowerandsaw]

How many pools are you giving it on choke?

[@Tinfoil.Hatter]

another protection is the shark bite chain mesh...as seen in the movie Braveheart featuring King Edward Long Shanks wearing his chain hat

[@michaelatkinson6730]

I bought a Stihl MS250 after hurricane Michael in 2018. It worked good then. After the fact I could never get it to start. I tried everything, dumped the gas, replaced with new, replaced the gas lines, sparkplug, the carburetor, everything. The raggedy piece of junk will not crank. On the occasion it does decide to crank, I am too damn tired to cut. It is just a sucky chainsaw. When I need it, I cant get it to start. I just went down to my local dealer and bought a Husqvarna 135 Mark 2, It cranks right up easy and it cuts good. I am very pleased with the Husqvarna. The Stihl MS250 is nothing but a door stop.

[@REDLINERUNNER]

Stihl chainsaws are THE BEST in the world, but Stihl oils are THE WORST in the world. I watched the tests of bar oils and Stihl created a damage on links signifficantly visible under the microscope and it's one of the most expensive bar oils you can find. The 2 stroke oils are even worse. Just JASO FB... There is NO OTHER oil in the market as bad. The cheapest oils are at least JASO FC. So for your own good mix 2% with JASO FD oils and your machines will thank you...

[@ciphercode2298]

I've cut about 3 cord with mine so far and it's been flawless. I've been salvaging wind blown oak,walnut,and locust from our state road cleanups and I'm working with a local county park that's suffered from recent storms too. I've cut red oak up to 22" in diameter without much fuss and the saws light weight doesn't tire me out like my bigger saws.

[@Carlsmower]

Awesome

[@flyingjeff1984]

As the Stihl rep told me, "Your warranty is only is good as your dealer." Period. And that is exactly the experience I had with a shitty dealer.

[@MacDaddyMatty69]

Can you explain a little more

[@robincaldwell2068]

Awesome video - I want to buy a gas chain saw and it looks like the Stihl MS250 would be perfect for my needs. You covered all the important things and I book marked your video and will watch it again as a refresher! Thanks

[@dujeamizic3588]

I have that chainsaw since 2009!Runs great!

[@lovestihlquality1369]

Great videos as always. I have pro Stihl saws but bought a MS 250 on sale years ago. It's only saw that I will loan out. It will do most everything. Send with Motomix, bar oil and extra chains. If it gets grenaded, I'm not out

[@carlsmowerandsaw]

Wise move

[@dujeamizic3588]

And i was using it today five hours ago

[@marktarascio4766]

The bad...hard to start ...floods easily...need to run premium gas...fouls plugs easly.

[@ogk9com]

Just seeing this. The ms250 has been the old standby. I've owned 4 of them total. I used to cut 10 cord a year. After I almost wore the first one out I rebuilt it with muffler mod, ported exhaust. Custom built dogs and Piltz 32" bar and 3/8 chain. Ran it about 5 more years and sold it for the price of my next ms250. Take care of this little saw and it will earn for ya. Modding one right now but great as they come.

[@Carlsmower]

A reliable saw

[@Nitroxdude]

What’s the best way to mod the 250 and get alittle more power out of it ?

[@won2phuckme]

@@Nitroxdude remove the spark arrestor?

[@jonnysnipes3123]

@@won2phuckmethats deff the first thing lol

[@saulgarza637]

Thank you for all the information. Bought mine at a pawnshop so needed help, very informative.

[@rogerlampton3050]

UR Subtitles really block the whole bottom of screen.

[@fishingwithdj2844]

I lost a whole tank of bar oil the other day because of them stanking ssa caps🤣🤣

[@sarkandichannelactivity7599]

Apakah bisa kirim untuk saya sthil ms 250

[@OfficialNapTime]

Great video. Thank you. I bought one this past weekend for working on my property and have a bit over 12 hours on it. It's been flawless. Such a great saw.

[@carlsmowerandsaw]

Glad you’re enjoying it

[@peytonhorn2833]

I just got mine today, how’s yours holding up now that it’s been 5 months? Still liking it or wish you would have gone bigger?

[@OfficialNapTime]

​ @peytonhorn2833 I have absolutely zero regrets on buying the saw. It's been an absolute dream. I swear, I'm still on the honeymoon phase. I love it. For me, it's the perfect size. This year, I thinned/cleared 3.5 acres total with the MS250. 2.5 acres was an ashe juniper thicket that was so dense you couldn't physically walk through it--and that's not an exaggeration--with the other acre being a less dense juniper/gum bully/sugarberry mix. I'm at just over 110 hours on the saw now. The largest tree that I needed to cut was 15-16 inches in diameter and the 250 cut it in a single pass. Most of what I was cutting was 6-12 inches. I do have a few larger trees, but none of them are dead/dying and they're so grossly outnumbered by smaller trees, I don't think a larger saw would do anything other than tire me out easier. Maintenance has been a breeze. I was supposed to replace the sparkplug at 100 hours, but I pulled it, gapped it and cleaned it and it looks good as new. I will probably replace it here shortly when we get our first hard freeze and I'm left searching for things to do, but it's definitely not necessary. I do replace the air filter per the book at every 25 hours which seems like overkill considering how easy they are to clean out. Because I live in Texas where summers are incredibly dusty, I actually take the "old" air filter to the field with me and I usually swap it about 3/4 of the way through the day. When I get back to the house, I clean both filters and put the "new" one back in. It's probably not necessary because I didn't get any performance issues, but I did notice how caked on the dust was getting after 4-5 hours of usage and figured it was an easy way to mitigate any potential issues. If you live somewhere dry and dusty, I'd recommend doing the same even if it's probably not necessary. The fuel filter is supposed to be done yearly. I haven't got to that point yet. I'll probably do it this winter with the spark plug though. It takes five minutes. Stihl also makes a chain sharpening tool ("2 in 1 Filing Guide and Saw Chain Sharpener") which is worth every cent and I strongly recommend it. I sharpen every two tank fills (it's probably overkill considering what I'm cutting is mostly softwood, but dull chainsaws are dangerous and scare me). I flip the bar at the end of the day when I clean the saw. I'm on the factory chain still. I did have it professionally sharpened at the shop at 60 hours, but otherwise maintained it myself just fine. I'll get it done at the shop again this spring. Not sure how long the chain will last, but it's still got quite a bit of life left based on wear marks. Hope that's some good info!

[@peytonhorn2833]

@@OfficialNapTime wow man that’s a blessing to hear, I screenshotted the sharpener tip. I live in Mississippi so definitely still dusty across the river lol. Thanks for responding. Stay safe

[@rodgraff1782]

Forgot your gloves. Those chains are sharp.

[@philipdunne3540]

I have the ms250c since 2004 and its still spot on never misses a beat brilliant saw

[@smorgdonkey]

I have been using one for a few years now. Mine has the 'tool less' set up for accessing the bar and adjusting chain tension as well as the Easy Start system. I have heard that many were returned because the easy start got messed up. I guess because people try to start them like a regular chain saw. Mine has never failed. I have cut so much with it...such a quality piece of equipment.

[@philipdunne3540]

@@smorgdonkey they're a great saw .ine doesn't have the easy start i personality didn't like it on any of the saws I've tried with it, the tool less access to the bar ad chain is a gift of a thing on a saw that size

[@davidcameron9241]

You are a great presenter - really good and very useful video. Thank-you so much!!

[@Carlsmower]

Thanks David

[@rodgraff1782]

Moto mix is a rip off, at 30+ dollars a gallon. You can get 103 octane non ethanol race gas, leaded or unleaded for less than half of that.

[@fatfredthe28th]

I wish it was that cheap. I just picked up a gallon at a dealer and it was $46. Conveniently, it wasn't priced on the shelf so I didn't know until they scanned it. Husqvarna premix is , albeit still overpriced, about $10 cheaper a gallon and is a little higher octane at 95. I may give that a shot next. I don't run my saws enough to mix a gallon up; it always goes bad on me.

[@lamaison1966]

Great video. It helps, however I can't get my new MS - 250 started. It never seems to "burp". The salesman here in Texas started it when he demo'd it but I can't seem to be able to start it. I'm in my 70s but have a pretty good chain pull on my attempts. All the videos I find show the purge bubble and my saw does not have that feature. I was told it is the new model. Any tips on the new model ms250? Thanks.

[@Carlsmower]

The one I cover in this video does not have a primer. Do not give more than three pulls with the choke on. My thought is your potentially flooding it. If it’s flooded it can take days to clear out so maybe remove your spark plug blow it off pull the rope over a few times to clear the cylinder.

[@lamaison1966]

@@Carlsmower Thanks for responding. I did get it started in ON mode while squeezing trigger.

[@Carlsmower]

@@lamaison1966 and did it run good? Next time make sure to follow the proper starting process and you should be good.

[@thornyturtleranch4u]

I m a very strong man but have a jard time starting saws from a lower position. I always pull the rope to engage point and if drop start using the downward controlled fall. There is a video on clearing a flooded saw. Great video, clearing with no tools, probably how you started it.

[@deliverybryan1138]

I had a ms 250 CE easy 2 start . I enjoyed it !

[@pabitrakantimishra]

Hii great tutorial 😊 Just tht ethanol free fuel is no more available here in India..it e10..any suggestion for that ??

[@qwertyfy8014]

great video, thanks!

[@HP-hm3pn]

One of those bottles of oil per one gallon??

[@yogibeer9319]

A typical chainsaw injury requires on average 110 stitches. Over two-thirds of all injuries occur to the upper leg, knee, calf, and hands. Great video!

[@DtomDOJ]

Only morons get cut

[@brandonkelbe]

ok?

[@StumpkillerCP]

I have a MS250C. Like the saw, but the toolless chain adjustment seems to be a blessing and a curse. No tools needed . . .but frequent readjustments needed as it seems to not hold a setting. A few days ago I was using it and felt something odd on my left leg. The chain oil plug had broken/split apart and failed and the oil escaped. No damage, but messy pants and $12.99 for a new plug at the local dealer after shutting my cutting down for that day and, happily, resorting to a second chainsaw on site my neighbor brought. These things happen . . . but I've never had a simple one-piece Husqvarna oil cap fall apart. I prefer my Husqvarna 353e for felling but the MS250C is great for sectioning and limbing.

[@Pelagic_Hunter1204]

Great tutorial and informative video as came across this segment as I wanted to see if there's a "DIY" remedy to fix my issue with my chainsaw. I bought the MS250 about 5/6 years ago and still have it. (Love it's "balance" and reliability & weight.) I recently moved away to my new place, I wanted to clean up my property to have more room for my dogs to roam. After I unpacked it and did all required maintenance (not firing it up but more of preparing it before use.) Upon taking the bar & chain off, I noticed the one of the bar holding bolts was turning as I was removing the nut. It puzzled me and finally got it off yet the bolt isn't on the motor so I still couldn't figure out why it wouldn't rescrew back up onto its location (only one as it kept coming loose/kept turning each time I tighten it back with the bar/chain. I haven't touched it since that time. Luckily I had to resort to my other (AND bigger) chainsaw -MS311 which I use it for milling (of course with proper chain meant for felling/cross cut not milling boards due to differences in chain's cutting angles.) It's bit too much/overkill or heavy for this particular task of cutting down trees with. (Average diameter is 20 inch or less of various species but mostly "shrub/water" oak- I think- as smells & looks like oak - has reddish hue/whichever species it is that's common in Florida as I'm from Maine, its a different oak species in the "45°N.") Anyways this is my first encounter with the bar bolt as I had never experienced it before. What's your recommendation with this? Thank you and again, good video.

[@OH3WE]

I have got this chainsaw but don't use it very often. What is bugging me/ a pain in my ass is the chain oil filler cap. Every time I try to close it I have to get my reading glasses out to figure out which way round I should turn it and which is the right way to close it. Today the plug popped out again and I spent quite a time when cleaning the spilled oil off the pavement, my shoes and pants. I can't imagine how to do it properly. Stihl's tolerances are so damn German tight. I know, it shouldn't be a big deal but it seems poor engineering. Today we had minus degrees and I was struggling bare-handed with a bunch of paper towels. The, somehow, I had success and the plug snapped in place as it should do. Please make a video "how to refill an MS250 chain saw properly.

[@16B9]

Very informative. I just bought a new MS 250 today. Thank you! :)

[@jhscheppele2448]

I ave a ms250c been using it for 19 years, it’s been a perfect saw. Just clean it every time you use it. It’s been in the shop once 2 years ago for a tune up carb, fuel lines,air filter, etc. Can’t beat a Stihl.

[@georgef5728]

This guy reminds me of a gun shop. They make no money on the gun, or in this case saw, and all the money on accessories.

[@jameshedrick605]

I've have the same caps on my MS290. The only problem i had with them in the last month or so is the orings on the caps leak

[@paulblackburn931]

That was some good info all about the saw. However, you didn't go in detail for the movie chainsaw owner. Just exactly how to set the trigger to make it run. I would appreciate it if you could send me the information on how to start and set the trigger on my Stilh MS 250. GREAT VIDEO BY THE WAY.

[@carlsmowerandsaw]

12:40

[@stephenbrown5844]

Hi my friend, can I say that when doing anything with the chain, please use gloves. That chain is razor sharp👍🇬🇧🇬🇧off to buy one tomorrow friend. Your expertise was good and very informative 😁👌🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@carlsmowerandsaw]

Thank You. Chains are sharp, I have all kinds of knicks on my hands. But I can’t throw gloves on every time.

[@bruceb3786]

".... I don't know how fast, but it's freakin' flying,..." ...................about 60 mph (88 fps). THANK YOU for a great video !!!!! ...winter/summer shutter.....

[@Carlsmower]

That’s a good point, although I’ve seen more issues once people know about it because the forget to switch back from winter to summer.

[@felipesandoval7593]

If I use ethanol fuel I use 90to93 0ctane the highest I can find.and I also use AMSOIL MIX ITS BEEN WORKING GREAT.

[@Carlsmower]

Glad that’s working for you Felipe.

[@Bill_tyler]

Shit fuckn day for the most part

[@ujangmuslim2551]

Ada gak stok stihl 050 ori germany

[@ciphercode2298]

I like making educated purchases and I watch an absurd amount of reviews before making a move.i love my stihl products,from my bg86 leaf blower to my fc70 trimmer and my ms441cm and ms310,but my 50cc saws were a makita dcs520i, which runs ok but the chain brake is broken and listed as an obsolete part and a husqvarna 550xp mark 1,which I can only describe as a $600 boat anchor. I'm sure the mark2 is better,but once bitten twice shy. I'm sticking with stihl for quality and great dealer support. I bought the ms250 because it fits my small saw criteria in weight and capability and from other peoples reviews should last as long as my 1999 makita. Theres probably millions of these made so I'll not likely ever have the obsolete part problem as with the makita. For the price my only other pick would of maybe been an echo cs4910, but my only echo dealer said he hasn't had one come in in months. Echos 5 year warranty is impressive though,if their parts are more plentiful than saws. Your videos are well thought out and very informative. I appreciate your efforts. 👍

[@Carlsmower]

Thanks Cipher Code. Appreciate your support. There are lots of great products, but service and support long term do seem to be an important component

[@johnellison1072]

Great job

[@Carlsmower]

Thanks!

[@annereynolds6715]

one important point. When you first start the ms250 from dead cold, how long should it be warmed up before cutting?

[@brandonkelbe]

5 min

[@mickmouse92]

Never knew about that winter shutter...I recently found out my f150 has one too. But automatic. I am in New England, I will do some more research on it.

[@Carlsmower]

I’d say below 35° it’s worth running

[@jackk1583]

all around excellent demo. loved the 'flooding' portion.

[@stevezx900]

Very informative.

[@elboregojhb]

87 octane non ethonal okay to use or no????

[@carlsmowerandsaw]

I prefer to stick to 89 or higher.

[@suhaimimd668]

I have one. Great

[@jasonstarlord3820]

😂😂 chap

[@randycrowe3616]

Good information... Thank you

[@lkjyuiop1987]

I had that saw it got stolen It’s a good saw for what it can do I bought a ms 462c

[@carlsmowerandsaw]

Sorry about the theft, but man nice upgrade to the 462

[@louisdanes3662]

Thank you Sir! Great video please keep them coming!

[@Carlsmower]

Do what we can

[@TheBesterd100]

Great video, thanks👌 I have a question! My MS 250 Stihl chainsaw, sometimes after I use it for a while, it stops and doesn't start again for some time! And from this video I just realised that it doesn't have that winter/summer shutter, and as you said it, it's a super important piece. Could it be a reason for it to stop? Thanks in advance, by the way. Best regards, from Portugal 🇵🇹! 🙋‍♂💪

[@Carlsmower]

That winter summer shutter should have nothing to do with anything on your saws dying while in use. How old is your MS 250 chainsaw? My initial suspicion would be a problem with the ignition module but it could be as simple as a spark plug so maybe start with a new spark plug and see if the symptoms persist. If they do when it dies check to see if you have spark at that point in time.

[@TheBesterd100]

@@Carlsmower I'm not sure, because the chainsaw was from my father, but I think it's between 10 to 15 years old, maybe it's necessary to change some pieces, right? I will try to do as you said and change the spark plug first and see if it solves the problem. If it continues to die after a while, I will try to change the ignition module! Once again thank you for the help!

[@shivamaraj7055]

I have ms 250, 18 inch bar, can i use 20 inch bar?

[@Carlsmower]

Stihl does not make a 20” bar that fits it. There is a Cannon bar for it but that runs around $150 and requires a sprocket change. Just go MS261 👍

[@chrismillar6404]

Loved your video learned a lot. :-)

[@larkinoo]

Great tutorial ! I have a MS 250 and for me it is the perfect saw, I love it. Thanks for that !

[@Carlsmower]

Great saw. So glad we could help

[@tmitz3147]

This video is extremely well done thank you its incredibly helpful

[@Carlsmower]

Thank you I’m so glad that we could help

[@lowboytrucker]

Hell they didn’t give me a owners manual when I purchased my saw

[@Carlsmower]

That sucks I’m sorry. You can download one of stihlusa.com

[@lowboytrucker]

@@Carlsmower I guess in there defense it was after the hurricane that hit is this year and the store was busy. But thanks for the info on downloading it. I’ll be sure to do that

[@charleslincoln5357]

Can u use break clean to clean up blade around chain oil area etc

[@Carlsmower]

That works well, carb cleaner is a little less caustic. Or better yet the Stihl Degreaser (in a green spray bottle)

[@jeremyroy95]

Is this saws class 1B?

[@josephorlowski4481]

Just got a question any thoughts on the new ms 250 is it still good?

[@Carlsmower]

We have been having a great response out of the MS250. Their problems are normally operator induced.

[@charleslincoln5357]

Great video I am waiting for my 250 to be delivered because I recently moved into a home with fire place and no one here is reliable for loads of fire wood

[@Carlsmower]

Gotta do it yourself if you want it done right 😉

[@charleslincoln5357]

@@Carlsmower true Can’t wait

[@Look_up_Luke21_18]

Great video thank you Sir

[@Carlsmower]

Thanks for watching! I appreciate the feedback.

[@ait0317]

Hello sir I want to know if u have any videos on the stihl carbide chain ⛓

[@Carlsmower]

Good idea. Not yet. I’ll work on that, what size are you thinking?

[@ait0317]

@@Carlsmower I just bought a new 18" ms 250 but will soon get a ms 261 for the bigger stuff

[@robertwicks3887]

This was a great video on the MS 250; thanks for the detail and focus on important things, and making it a video that applies to everyone. I always mix up the starting sequence, to include the brake position. THANKS!

[@ximingze2238]

My saw just wouldn’t start today. I just don’t have the cash to take to the shop

[@Carlsmower]

Shoot. What model. When did it run last.

[@ximingze2238]

@@Carlsmower sm250. Just went out the and unflooded any try it start back but stalled shortly.

[@Carlsmower]

@@ximingze2238 so when you give it throttle it stalls and dies?

[@ximingze2238]

@@Carlsmower I started pull around 30 times, no start. I went and pick up a tuneup kits from the store. Installed but still no start. After, I watch your video. I went out out to the garage. pull the trigger and pull about 20 times. It finally start, but died within 2 seconds. I make some progress tonight.

[@stan121midling5]

How about some links to what you are showing please ? :0

[@jmlennon44]

What a waste of time I have an MS 250 it does not have a bulb to prime it for gasoline. Maybe you should say that to people for the newer MS 250 models so they don’t spend 15 minutes wasting your time on your videos

[@Carlsmower]

John sorry you feel you wasted your time. I reviewed the video and don't see where I mentioned the primer (there was a primer on the MS250C) Hopefully you can find a video that provides you with the information you need.

[@oldmanpatriot1490]

Does Stihl bars have the grease cert hole for the sprocket at the end of the bar?

[@Carlsmower]

Not for years. Seeing more and more manufacturers follow suit.

[@oldmanpatriot1490]

@@Carlsmower Thank you for the quick response. Im considering buying one... But I need one that has the power to do plunge cuts. Do you think the MS250 can handle that? And Im concerned that without a grease cert hole that the sprocket will go bad much quicker especially needing to do plunge cuts.

[@Carlsmower]

@@oldmanpatriot1490 the bar can handle its life without the grease port. And it should do ok at plunge cutting, although maybe consider going to a 16” Pico bar and chain so as to maximize your performance. I have use the MS241 extensively this way and it did great.

[@oldmanpatriot1490]

@@Carlsmower This was very helpful thank you very much

[@stephangrobler5524]

Howzit Carl. I was wondering if you could give me some advice. I am looking to invest in a decent chainsaw. I am looking at a stihl ms 250 since thats in my price range. But a few bucks more, and saving a bit more, I could get a ms 310. Which one is better? I need to cut trees up to 50cm wide, but mostly in the 30-40cm range. Will also be taking the chainsaw on overlanding trips to clear fallen trees off the track.

[@Carlsmower]

You are thinking right, you should probably step up a bit, the MS271 runs a 50cm bar and can handle tree falling better than an MS250 or move up to the MS311 the negative will be a heavier saw.

[@eurokid83]

Save a little more and pick up a MS261. It’s a light weight pro grade saw and will handle the wood your gonna be cutting.

[@jimmyhuffman6802]

You know what dude, you have just talked me out of buying that saw. You got to many minor issues with little things on it that ( will do damage to that saw).they use to be good strong saws, now it to easy to damage the dam thing. I'm going to look at some Huskies or maybe Echoes. Ill see if there a little more durable. I know there less expensive.

[@MrNvanderploeg3]

Sounds like you got it all figured out their Jimmy. I probably don’t need to educate a professional like yourself, but the number one problem with chainsaws is the operator.

[@Carlsmower]

Jimmy sorry that me pointing out many “self induced” problems would change your mind. I gotta say we see and fight similar issues with any brand of tool. The idea behind these videos is to help people avoid the costly/frustrating mistakes.

[@tankgunner32]

He literally just explained proper care and maintenance nothing runs forever when it’s beat on and neglected. Do you ever change your cars oil or just run it like hell until it stops.

[@DtomDOJ]

Chaps??No thanks

[@carlsmowerandsaw]

Have you ever used them?